¿Larger boxes?

In the normal financial system, which constitute the banks, all institutions have owners that are represented by the respective boards of directors. These tips caregivers, for their own benefit, not to extend credit to insolvent companies or who is supposed to taxation systems and detects when there are problems, provisions such loans, and proceeded to execute warrants that are taken, if that exist. But bankers can not do what they want with the claim that handle as the bank is not theirs. Are accountable to shareholders, depositors before (because misuse of credit can break the institution and we all lose their money) and before the public finances if, for example, is regarded as an expense credit granted in the knowledge that it would not be returned.
That was the case of Mario Conde who was sentenced to six years in prison for paying 600 million pesetas for a company, without any endorsement Argentia Trust (which later were shown to that company then distributed the money among various Spanish political influence to in governmental decisions in favor of the interests of Mario Conde was not the reason for his detention but he who gave that money without guarantees of payment). I know that in recent times and in some countries, the bankers have ignored these rules and to cap it had not been punished but for the moment in Spain are not in that situation and all banks are reporting profits.

Unfortunately, the savings in the hands of local politicians, it can grant credit without running and without provisions for guarantees, especially political parties, or can not?, Or may not be? If it does occur fairly often ... And now it is intended that these boxes are made even stronger by joining them. No doubt it is a good solution for their survival (in exchange for thousands of layoffs, yes) but also magnify the problem of these entities whose management is so unclear.

The boxes have lost their land, they open branches across the country and even have the largest investments abroad. There is a market Murcia, La Rioja, or Basque, a European level in that category regionalist no sense. It could be said of its social function but that is a vague concept whose spending is little quantifiable and that could be replaced by an increase in tax relief to certain tasks of banking as the sponsorship of culture. If we convert the biggest move in two things: whether it is within the same community, its economic importance is so great that the economic power and political autonomy is even more confused if they join together and boxes of different communities, how to ensure balance, how to unify criteria if the political influence of each autonomous community is different, and yet it remains how to ensure that CajaMadrid-for example, is just in its social spending with Murcia event of a merger with the Fund of Murcia? I think the management problems worsen.

If those savings were privatized (Mapfre was converted from a mutual to a trading company, would not be something so complicated) the resources obtained by the bids of the 46 savings banks would provide a major source of liquidity for municipalities and autonomous regions ( the eminent professor and curious political character since he was a candidate for mayor of Madrid by the PCE of which was an important post for less than 30 years and now coquetea with the PP, Ramon Tamames, and a half years ago estimated the value of the boxes at about 200 billion euros) since its deposits exceed those of banking in Spain. Perhaps not the best time right now but if his days in the state dispensed with Telefonica, Repsol, Argentaria and so on. Why not do it with the boxes as soon as possible and to gradually instead of increasing their power in every autonomy?

Because they give the customer the same treatment and the same services that gives a bank, why are not banks? Quoting Professor Tamames quote: "the alleged problem of the identity of savings does not exist: are banks, but they still do not know."

And it's obviously sad-partisan character in the management of nearly all the savings. The General Assembly of a box is a pantomime, is the Council that decides what new directors are even appointed as a closed list submitted to the assembly and of course the director general must be to the liking of the president of the Autonomous Communities in turn, leading to the financial fate of many funds have a political character.

Thus, not only would the privatization of savings banks a good economic measure but a breath of freshness in our young democracy. In other articles we could discuss further the money it loses all of TVE or commissions charged by politicians of all colors of the companies that are struggling to be awarded any work that we pay all or we pursue the tax by 4 euros and allow the tax where the biggest and most corrupt fortunes. It is curious that sometimes the best economic solutions are also the most fair ...

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# 1, Carlos Lopez

Dec 3 2008, at 9:22.

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# 2, Juana la loca

Dec 3 2008, at 9:28.

Good morning, that was the problem, the complete freedom to do and undo the major charges and politicians, who claim it allows them to earn the ribs of the working poor (working poor). So we are going well and we are gone. So goes the Spanish health, so go the banks because of their managers, so goes the government, which are no longer either the act of congress to make presence, etc etc.

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# 3, Anonymous

Dec 3 2008, at 9:29.

Good morning!

This is to mourn ... ...

The second vice president of the government, Pedro Solbes, has admitted that if, as anticipated all international agencies next year the global economic situation worsens, "there is a risk that unemployment will increase slightly more." Registered unemployment in the PES-INEM-old climbed for the eighth consecutive month in November and increased by 171,243 people, which puts the total number of unemployed in 2,989,269. Solbes has emphasized that the future course of employment depends on whether or not the improving economic climate, but underscored that "there is some consensus that 2009 will be worse than 2008."

You pay a guy a million chorrada to read this ....

2009 and I say unto you, the more wrong ... because that 2008 will be 50% more bad as this year.

Why? Because the crisis has begun to affect in June 2008 ... so only half a year has been bad bad.

Greetings.

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# 4, manuel

Dec 3 2008, at 9:29.

because I am the second.
to drop further to 2.1 on the Euribor to see that because it sounds to me sono 5.1 not anything good.

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# 5, Anonymous

Dec 3 2008, at 9:32.

This is from yesterday evening ... .. shocking. From minute 45.

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# 273, Neo

Dec 2 2008, at 18:27.

Mamma Mia ...

The domino effect of Guinness but in construction

This video is brutal. As of 45 minutes and 40 seconds is a family of Panchito which had a construction company. Well, this company has been dragged through the fault of another construction company and this in turn by the promoter that does not sell the flats. In this small company would have left a debt of 20 million. The desperate father, owes money to go around Christ and forward renting small rooms in his apartment. How strong is that each small room couples living with small kids.

http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/player/352682.html

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In my opinion ... ... ... ... BRUTAL.

Enculator .... Are these are your hired?

If yes ... ... I would be shaking.

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# 6, i-love-japan

Dec 3 2008, at 9:33.

# 278, Neo

Dec 2 2008, at 18:39.

And why do not we look more Japanese?

It looks to me as an interesting spread the wealth ... ....

CEOs in Japan paid little

http://www.kirainet.com/los-ceos-en-japon-cobran-poco/

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# 7, Moro

Dec 3 2008, at 9:34.

Dec 2 2008, at 18:47.

The banks estimate a late payment of 16%

http://www.diariocritico.com/2008/Diciembre/exclusivo/114003/morosidad-bancos.html

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# 8 Anonymous

Dec 3 2008, at 9:34.

I wanted to thank YO SOY EL ... HERE'S NEXT assistance delivered yesterday with the theme of the loan to ICO 0% interest for the purchase of the computer. Could answer in the article yesterday, but I do not know if he is going to read it or not, in any case thanks.

I called the phone and ICO have told me that ignore the aid of the Plan of the JCCM Connect, which it are two different aids. One comes from the state and the other of the Autonomous Region, is the first aid for 32 months and the Board to 20.

Anyway, as I have explained in ICO, is the bank's decision to require cash or the responsibilities that creates desirable, so that a site may require you to secure a credit and not in another. Already you notice that in the case of the Caja Castilla-La Mancha insurance is compulsory, whether there have payroll or not.

To better understand what I have to visit these links yesterday:
# 184 Poor Hablador

# 204 YO SOY EL ... HERE'S NEXT

# 210 Poor Hablador

# 220 YO SOY EL ... HERE'S NEXT

A greeting forgive and to put it out of place.

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# 9, ICG

Dec 3 2008, at 9:35.

Auctions begin at half price ... .. As in the USA.
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The Crash
INCREASE THE REAL ESTATE OFFERS
Who gives more?: Flats with discounts of 50% and offices with discounts of 20%

The real estate consultancy CB Richard Ellis has launched its fifth auction on the Internet to sell 136 new homes with discounts up to 47%. The reductions also reach the office market, whose lease in Madrid and Barcelona will be 20% cheaper in 2009.

http://www.libertaddigital.com/economia/quien-da-mas-pisos-con-rebajas-del-50-y-oficinas-con-descuentos-del-20-1276345112/

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# 10, Yanya

Dec 3 2008, at 9:36.

What Congress is another story in which we could be talking days, but what of the "choking boxes" has no name, I'm Andalusian and this is even worse, the box apart from being politicized, has for many years in the same hands , Plus many more commissions charged that a bank should be more flexible in granting credit, that they are not, and also charge more interest, not when you get the credit or mortgage. One example, a colleague gave him a mortgage, that the thought and what they gave him was a party to a mortgage for 60% of the valuation, at Euribor + 1.5 and the rest in a personal loan with a much greater interest . I do not embarrass the institution for not more than one, but it brings the ...

Well nothing else, just the baton of 3884 and down today ....

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# 11, Poor Hablador

Dec 3 2008, at 9:40.

Forgiveness and # 8 is mine

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# 12, Anonymous

Dec 3 2008, at 9:40.

The banks estimate that the late payment for this coming year is going to put no less than 16% ... but that under the most optimistic forecasts, because daily e-Xclusivo has been able to learn from economic sources that banks are being supplied funds for an even higher rate of delinquencies.

And that's what's terrible event, because it turns out that of the 150,000 million euros which puts the state for the bank bailout, not a single euro will go to small and medium enterprises, and even less to families.

It turns out that the banks have resorted masse to the government's bank bailout funds to all taxpayers but, given that these same banks have to deal with outstanding payments, most of that public money is being spent on provisions for such payments .

And the rest of the money? ... Well, that's where the projections come bank strategists have calculated financial delinquency is not less than 16% by 2009. So I do not want to take risks and are being supplied for that particular circumstance.

All this would be very nice if it were not for the huge amount of money that the government puts money that comes from government accounts, not a single euro is going to SMEs or to the families. Moreover, we have to know that many banks are restricting credit lines to small businesses: a lot of SMEs that had a line of 400,000 euros were lowered to 100,000. What does this mean? That does not have liquidity to its turnover is lower. And this, of course, leads to the crisis was emphasized.

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# 13, carlos

Dec 3 2008, at 9:40.

Good morning everyone:
The savings are creating unfair competition for the banks. For empezae and serve only as an example a box can be owned by a bank, or launching a business and Opa against any change in them can not be touched. In principle there is a right that is called reciprocity. That means you have to be equal for both parties. This does not happen with the boxes.
Then the social function of the boxes (but be proud in their advertising) really does not exist, because you have stopped thinking that susu porcetaje of benefits that go to social work?. And I think that if I'm wrong coorijan which is January 1%. Ridiculous.
And finally completamete of acuerso with clopez. With the boxes are now united by the hand political power and economic, as in Navarre that the President of the Autonomous Region is the president of Caja Navarra.
Fear da. If that happens what happens to the banks that would happen if political power is judge and jury.
A greeting

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# 14, Nomelocreo

Dec 3 2008, at 9:41.

This can be? Germany to get off the strike in this mega?

# 296, ICG

Dec 2 2008, at 20:43.

Good night!

The Spaniards are best ... but while we're going to mass unemployment ... we have to ...

Germany: unemployment fell 10,000 in November, more than expected

ELECONOMISTA.ES | 10:40 - 27/11/2008

Related Links

Germany extended its slowdown another six months and the labor market will pay (24/11)

Germany down to the 3 million unemployed for the first time in 16 years (30/10)
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Germany's labor market continues to give further signs of strength against the worst recession afflicting the country in the past 12 years because employers are reacting calmly to the fall in output.

The number of unemployed persons fell adjusted data at 10,000 in November to a total of 3.15 million. The unemployment rate remained at 7.5%, the lowest level for the past 16 years.

The economists consulted by Reuters had predicted a fall in unemployment of 4,000 people.
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Carlos Lopez ... and other fellow forum, what you think of this?

Do you think? It looks to me ... that the Germans are extraterrestrials.

The Virgin ... .. Carsola ... remember me.

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# 15, village people

Dec 3 2008, at 9:42.

Good morning:

ZP SE WAKE.

ZP has been lifted today, especially early. It's somewhat restless. The economy does not follow its dictates, is a rebel. The economy is a kind of Ronaldo. ZP the mime, the city took pains to feel the center of all eyes. But the economy has proven to be a little descocada. Late, has become conceited, churlish and even unfaithful. No longer does the duties and is getting fat kilos and kilos of deficit. It no longer runs as before.

Already he told ZP, "monitors, which are spoiled, I have no wheat is clean." ZP was not the case.

This morning ZP is the hangover yesterday. He learned his last jamboree and the 171,000 unemployed who left, but did not know what to do, do not know, do not know. Rises from the bed slowly, it fits these babuchas so sympathetic with the side of the goose that keeps Caponata from small, and is dragging your feet to the bathroom.

On the road turns on the radio, put the SER as ever. They are talking of unemployment. "Traitors bastards" is slipping into a kind of snort. Return to go to the bathroom.

Next to the mirror has a small photo of Mr Bean. It's a nice picture, fun, smiling. ZP with a view from a routine, you look in the mirror and recite "You do not look like Mr Bean, you do not look like Mr Bean, you do not look like Mr Bean." At that point it becomes apparent that the SER have changed the conversation, and there is a lively debate on the incident Aguirre in India. The arguments have a serious tone, like the one that talks about very important things. A ZP it draws the smile on his face. "That's fine," ruminate.

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# 16 WITHOUT WORDS

Dec 3 2008, at 9:45.

# 308, Yomismooo

Dec 2 2008, at 21:57.

Before and after: painful

1978

Wages
Administrative base salary of 2nd-Norvasa-Workshops: 28000 Pts € -168 - Monthly
Minimum wage: -18,000 Pts - 108 €. Monthly.
Property Value
Floor of 90 m2. In a large suburb of the capital: between 400,000 and 600,000 Pts. -2400 To 3600 € --
Fuel
Liter of gasoline 24 Pts. -14 Cts. Euro -
Several
8 Pts newspaper. -5 Cts. Euro -
Public transport. 5 Pts. -3 Cts. Euro -
Loaf of bread 9 Pts. -5.5 Cts. Euro -

2008
Wages
Administrative base salary of 2nd-Norvasa-Workshops: 872 € monthly
Minimum wage: 600 €. Monthly.
Property Value
Floor of 90 m2. In a large suburb of the capital: between 220,000 and 350,000 €
Fuel
€ 1.10 liter of gasoline
Several
Newspaper 1 €
Public transport. 1 €
Loaf of bread 55 Cts.

With these data can ensure the following:

An average worker could buy in 1978:
1 Floor with 17 equal monthly (MDEIE AND ONE YEAR)
1166 liters of petrol with 1 per Month
3500 Newspapers with 1 month
5600 bus tickets with 1 month
3111 bars of bread with 1 month

An average worker can buy in 2008:

1 Floor 320 monthly (26 years)
792 liters of petrol with 1 per Month
872 newspapers with 1 month
872 bus tickets with 1 month
1585 bars of bread with 1 month

In 1981 the tax burden in Spain was 13.8% in 2007 was around 36%.

Remember: 4,000,000 million unemployed Spaniards, to see where it goes up to ZP 2012.

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# 17, ALL ABOUT THE SEASON

Dec 3 2008, at 9:48.

# 309, Anonymous
Dec 2 2008, at 22:05.

For those who want to know everything about our situation and unemployment compared to the rest of the world ...

Buenísisisisimo.

http://www.ensilicio.com/2008/11/graficas-los-datos-de-paro-en-europa-dejan-en-evidencia-a-zapatero.html

How big is the information.

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# 18, Anonymous

Dec 3 2008, at 9:49.

at least mr Solbes record of 25%

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# 19, Anonimus

Dec 3 2008, at 9:50.

When the boxes are trying to make us believe that his purpose is the social benefit, reminds me of when politicians try to make us believe that his goal is the Service to the Citizen.
Can you believe it? Or take us for fools auction.

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# 20, tricked

Dec 3 2008, at 9:51.

I wanted to comment on a problem to see if an expert can advise me:

it is just "discover" that the mortgage I signed last year to this linked to a bank account (which I had to open in that entity to make payments and work with it in general) as it is not a normal current account , Which nominates the deposit and then you deducted each month the bill for water, gas, etc. ..

that is a "mind creditor" (or something) in that although you have money to deal with payments and you deduct the time when it is received, then make a kind of mathematical calculation by which you pay a lot Interest and commissions from time to time of closure (180 euros this month and I am mileurista)

did not know that these things exist and neither will step on the head that I went to open an account outside the normal (enter and pay for) the case that by the naive and I have gotten ..

Now I will tell you that I am going to cancel the account credit and I opened a checking account, but I am afraid that I will say that as in the writing of the mortgage account number that appears and can not be changed

My question is: Would it be possible for me to open a checking account to make payments on the mortgage and cancel the damn credit account? Or should I creermelos if I say that can not be done?

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# 21, pepe

Dec 3 2008, at 9:52.

here watching the news as I said that the hotels are nearly complete for the bridge and says a lot about a country that assumes that unemployment is rising through the roof and lack of liqudez, that clearly there are people who do not have to pay and has dedudas money to go to bridge etc. .. more than anything because there will always be someone who is as strong fence but what happened yesterday was that talk with a friend who told me this sentence.
THE ENGLISH HERE IS CAPABLE OF FAILING TO PAY FOR A SAFE HOME WITH TAN FOR LEAVING FOR BRIDGE BUT HAVE NO MONEY,
it is sad that so, and with this mentality are not going anywhere, because they do not spend much does not mean that we live worse, is that cycles come and go and come and better times and that's it.
with regards to unemployment, logically enough by 2009 will be worse in the number of unemployed, more than anything in 2009 because some are just unemployed and the situation will be worse and now as the feast begins, a penalty but salvense gentlemen who can.

because it saves us or the Macarena.

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# 22, toad

Dec 3 2008, at 9:57.

Droblo,
You can not privatize the savings because they are private. See if you inform us a bit.

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# 23, ale

Dec 3 2008, at 9:57.

Terrific article on today, I have discussed this issue a great many times and always ended up with the same result, the boxes will no longer make sense.
Admirable figures of unemployment in Germany, the reasons are certainly very much related to the productive fabric, but surely Germany came into crisis in 2007, and take measures, while in Spain there has been no crisis until yesterday. Perhaps the purely financial crisis does not affect too much of the national bank, but the strike may hang on 20% next year, it may not be crisis, but if carnage.

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# 24, ohhh

Dec 3 2008, at 10:00.

# 21, tricked

in my writings I get the account number of which is to recover the mortgage but I got from the web option to change that mind and choose one for me to spend the mortgage. You should have no problem.

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# 25, Oberkorn

Dec 3 2008, at 10:01.

Very good article, and the stark reality is, every time they approach more political power and economic power.
I do not think it was privatized. For the politicians are not interested ...

My baton Euribor: 3679

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# 26, Rabieo

Dec 3 2008, at 10:02.

Montesquieu gave way to one of the engineering design policy most successful in history: the classical division of powers (legislative, executive and judicial).

The implementation of the system of division of powers has had several secondments in modern democracies. Then the division of powers is implimente 100% is another debate.

In my opinion, the idea of Montesquieu is good but not perfect. Omits important powers, in part because in his day were not relevant. The division of powers must include the separation of economic power and the power of the press (maybe a few others which are more)

Our politicuchos, a day to preach free markets and another day and try to take advantage of a blow to his party rival company through a public cash.

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# 27, tron

Dec 3 2008, at 10:02.

# 14
# 16
Germany

Remember that Germany has been in semi-crisis about 6 Anyos, measures of the past 2 Anyos coupled with the drop of oil, the rates and the Euro (Germany le 1er exporter in the EU) to help the German economy. They have neither had a boom in construction for about 7 Anyos (in fact the construction sector is a + / - chronic crisis since he ended the big push for restoration after the fall of the wall).

The German case is that of an economy that bears tighten their belts quite Anyos which in time of crisis is more competitive. Percentage is much lower immigration that we and many of which are (Turks, etc.). Anyos carries 25 or more in the country which have a more solid basis that immigrants in this country and "they are less sensitive to cycles .

Summarizing the economy is that we should have when we are older ...

PD village people, dressed in Hamburg real estate data? Below 80,000 euros floors are less than 40 m2.

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# 28, cucumber

Dec 3 2008, at 10:02.

# 21, tricked

complain Bank of Spain.
query or complain consumption

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# 29, tron

Dec 3 2008, at 10:04.

Here you have it again village:

http://www.immowelt.de/Immobilien/ImmoMarktKauf.aspx?GeoID=108020&EType=1&ESR=1

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# 30, PEPE

Dec 3 2008, at 10:05.

ALE-/ / unemployment will bring in more than 5 million people if not the time, bear in mind that the real figures are active population, and those who have not paid and do not ever work?

Bone the real figure is not 2900 thousand unemployed, check it and a half million more at least.

give joy to your body Macarena!

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# 31, Rabieo

Dec 3 2008, at 10:07.

A Mario Conde has been maligned ad infinitum by its 600 million pesetas ...

Vale is a bad bad man. But ... There are 600 million pesetas a lismona compared with all the embezzlement that took place in the coffers of the state, regional and municipal?

Is not it a pittance compared with what it had been since the operation Malaya and other pelotazos? Did not we go to worse since Mario Conde? Their crimes appear next to the baby now.
A greeting

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# 32, loco

Dec 3 2008, at 10:07.

A bit of humor to start the morning

January 2007:
The chairman of the Government, José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, assured that Spain will exceed the per capita income of Germany in 2010.

http://www.eleconomista.es/mercados-cotizaciones/noticias/131410/01/07/Economia-Macro-Zapatero-asegura-que-Espana-superara-la-renta-per-capita-de-Alemania-en- 2010.html

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# 33, macubaena

Dec 3 2008, at 10:09.

Felipe Gonzalez left yesterday, speaking on TV criticizing all the governments of the crisis and unemployment saw it coming and did not identify measures to alleviate ajajaajjaaja

and I say ... ... ... speaking Gañan if this rule when unemployment reaches 5 million-odd people with a seg.social destroyed?

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# 34, 57

Dec 3 2008, at 10:10.

Today 3.857

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# 35, LAURA

Dec 3 2008, at 10:11.

I'm a mess, it is assumed that in 2009 will be worse, but many people I talk to my boss and such, and everyone says that beginning in January and everything is going to fix this, I could give your opinion? thanks

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# 36, and that's all friends

Dec 3 2008, at 10:15.

Tron. Reviews
Alucinante el enlace de los pisos en Hamburgo, HABRA QUE VOLVER AL “VENTE PARA ALEMANIA PEPE”.

¿como es posible que en una ciudad alemana, da igual el barrio y la zona, un piso cueste menos que en un pueblo de 15.000 habitantes del interior de España ya unos 50-100 Km de la ciudad más cercana?

la pregunta ya no es si baja más o menos un piso, si no ¿cuanto van a bajar y cuanto van a tardar?

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# 37 , tron

3 de Diciembre de 2008, a las 10:16.

#32 loco

Hombre, hubo una epoca en que era verdad, en 2006 un yesero normalito en BCN, si sabía venderse, ganaba sus 3.000 o 4.000 Euros netos al mes (buena parte en negro) eso en Alemania no lo gana tampoco todo el mundo y mas ya que los impuestos son bastante mas altos.

Cateráticos de la UPT de Barcelona se quejaban de que ganara mas un paleta que un ingeniero industrial o un arquitecto. Claro como los alemanes tienen menos paletas y mas ingenieros y arquitectos ZP no iba tan mal, hay que comprenderlo, cuando solo conoces la economia desde el banquillo (de los diputados) te pueden parecer las cosas asi…

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# 38 , Anónimo

3 de Diciembre de 2008, a las 10:18.

brent 47.23
brent (spot) 45.99

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# 39 , pepelu

3 de Diciembre de 2008, a las 10:18.

# 35 LAURA

Yo creo que lo peor está por llegar. Piensa que mucha gente que se ha quedado sin trabajo tiene derecho a una prestación.

Lo peor será cuando a esta pobre gente se le acabe el cobro de esa prestación.

Ojalá se encuentre pronto una solución y se empiece a recuperar la confianza y los puestos de trabajo.

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# 40 , pepe

3 de Diciembre de 2008, a las 10:20.

voy a describir brevemente la situacion en españa:

EL CIUDADANO A PIE

*desempleo con mas 3 millones de personas
*gente entrando en el umbral de la pobreza(caritas trabajando como nunca)
*el euribor baja,pero parece ser que tampoco hace mucho
*situacion de ahorro de colchon(para quien tenga)
*incretidumbre total entre la gente
*la gente esta de mal humor
*y con 2009 que viene paco con la rebajas(pummmmm cebollazo total)

POLITICOS Y DEMAS MIERDA QUE NOS REPRESENTA

*sueldos de 15 mil euros y con lujos
*nuestra amiga espe dice que con 8000 euros que no llega a final de mes
*600 asesores en la moncloa
180.000 euros de gasto de agua en la moncloa(y dicen a la gente que no gastes agua y que seas prudente ajajjaja)
coches de lujo oficiales mientras un pavo de cantabria se gasta 9000 euros en extras para su coche oficial. IM-PRE-SI-O-NAN-TE
la casa real sin pena ni gloria,paseando con su barco y esto es lo qye hay.
robando a mas no poder de todos lo españoles
ya para colmo manda a cuba no se cuantos millones para el sida(y el español que no lelga a final de mes) increible.
*fiesta,lujos,putas,coca y demas que lo hacen a costa de los españoles
ellos dan dinero para que el banco el sistema interbancario funcione ,no para ayudar a las familias y las empresas.
y ayer el señor solbes tiene la cara de decir que cree que en junio de 2009 se empezara a ver la luz

y todavia la gente no sale a la calle

pais de masocas que no lo entiende ni la macarena!!!!!

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# 41 , laura

3 de Diciembre de 2008, a las 10:23.

pepelu

yo siempre he dicho que lo que cae muy rapido, tarda mucho y muy lentamente lo hace en levantar, asi que me parece a mi que el 2009 va a ser segurisimo peor que el 2008 en todos los aspectos jo

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# 42 , pepiño

3 de Diciembre de 2008, a las 10:23.

Que va a saber el inclito ZP.

en su vida ha tenido un trabajo. No ha cotizado por nada. Ni siquiera fue camarero en el bar de su pueblo, Lo UNICO que ha hecho es ser politico, y lo hace bastante mal. MENUDO SOCIALISTA DE BOQUILLA.

Si este se quedase en paro, en condiciones normales, pues cobrara de por vida, por la jeta.

Que igualdad hay en esta democracia.

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# 43 , mbs

3 de Diciembre de 2008, a las 10:24.

#1,

Me ha dejado un poco desconcertada la noticia: Banco España augura un 2009 terrible porque fijarán convenios con IPC del 2% puesto que el otro día leí en el foro que el gobierno ha hecho los presupuestos de 2009 basándose en una inflación del 1% para 2009 (lo di por bueno por considerarlo factible aunque es una noticia tremendamente mala para el cálculo de los salarios y las pensiones de 2009).

¿Alguien sabe algo fiable al respecto? ¿Está previsto en los presupuestos un 1% ó un 2%?

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# 44 , tron

3 de Diciembre de 2008, a las 10:24.

#36 y esto es todo amigos

Fácil, en Alemania el grado de propiedad es muchísimo mas bajo que aquí, porque nadie quiere atarse con un piso, la movilidad es impresionante 4 anyos en Hamburgo, 3 en Colonia, 5 en Düsseldorf, eso es habitual.
La gente vive de alquiler y cuando compra algo es una casa en el “campo” cerquita de una ciudad para que juegen los crios.

Además en Alemania puedes vivir DEL alquiler, compras un edificio o piso y lo puedes alquilar con toda tranquilidad, que no pagan, a la calle YA, que te destrozan algo, embargo del sueldo, etc., es un mercado mucho mas amable para el alquiler.

Y lo dicho la gente NO quiere comprar, compran antes en Denia, Ampuriabrava o Andratx para jubilarse al sol…

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# 45 , Andaluz

3 de Diciembre de 2008, a las 10:25.

Esto de la vida es invendible, como cambiamos nuestros conceptos de lo bueno y de lo malo, de lo que debería ser o de lo que no debería de ser, fuf, como cambiamos nuestra forma de interpretar lo que vemos, la edad, supongo, ayer, bueno anoche (no veo la TV, lo mas que veo es alguna película y en el cine a poder ser), yo, que estaba sentado en casa de un familiar intentando hacer un cubo de esos que tienen varios colores, bueno estaba la televisión puesta, el gran hermano, y me veo a un chaval llorando con un perro en las manos, diciendo: mi niño, mi niño. Luego me lo veo moviendo los brazos para poder ver a su novia, (el patillas diría: a esa gente, les daba yo una buena zoleta, ya trabaja). La reflexión: Yo desde pequeñito siempre valore mucho el cine, el teatro, la cultura en general, incluso idealizaba a las personas que representaban estas actividades, ahora, ya no tan pequeñito, me doy cuenta de lo que duele para una persona que tiene un trabajo agrario (el patillas lleva toda la vida arando el campo), lo que duele que otras personas coman por interpretar una escena en un teatro, por interpretarla en una película, por escribir un libro, o por hacer el ganso y vaguear todo el día en una casa en Guadalix de la sierra, si, son actividades que pueden ser interesantes, divertidas, incluso alguna de ellas educativas, pero creo que solo deberían de ser eso, actividades que se tendrían que realizar durante el tiempo de ocio, no se pueden convertir en una forma de ganarse la vida, (y en muchos casos bastante bien, viviendo a base de lujos), creo que no se puede, personas trabajando, produciendo, para que comamos, podamos vestir, podamos vivir debajo de un techo, podamos realizar distancias de cientos de kilómetros en varias horas. En un pueblo de diez personas en el que se trabaje en el campo a dos personas les gusta interpretar, a otras dos les gusta jugar al billar, a otras dos les gusta escribir poesía, a otras dos les gusta jugar al futbol, y otras dos que son aun demasiado jóvenes, en ese pueblo no pasaría eso, por que por ser pequeño se vería claro:
a) los dos que les gusta interpretar dicen: nosotros no vamos al campo que tenemos que ensayar, a lo que contestarían los demás, no puede ser amigos, si todos estamos trabajando seis horas diarias para poder producir lo que necesitamos, y vosotros dos dejáis de hacerlo para ensayar son doce horas diarias que nos tendríamos que repartir entre los demás (recordemos que solo existían ocho personas que trabajaban, existían dos aun demasiado jóvenes), es decir solo trabajaríamos seis personas, por lo cual en lugar de trabajar seis horas diarias como lo estamos haciendo las ocho personas hasta el día de hoy, los seis que quedásemos, tendríamos que repartir esas horas y por lo tanto, trabajar dos horas diarias mas cada uno de nosotros, no creo que sea justo amigos, no creo que tengamos por que trabajar ocho horas cuando realmente lo necesario si todos aportamos son seis horas, lo que si vemos, es que cuando acabemos las tareas agrarias que cada uno de nosotros posee, luego queda mucho tiempo libre, a vosotros os gusta interpretar, estupendo, luego podéis hacerlo, al igual que nuestros amigos del billar, luego jugar al billar, oa los que nos gusta el futbol o la poesía practicar lo que nos gusta, hacer todo esto, pero en nuestro tiempo libre (libre de necesidad productiva), por que en caso contrario no seria justo.

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# 46 , Carlos Lopez

3 de Diciembre de 2008, a las 10:28.

Por cierto, Droblo estará off line toda esta semana, así que no podrá leer vuestras preguntas hasta el Lunes, como muy pronto.

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# 47 , pepiño

3 de Diciembre de 2008, a las 10:29.

euro 3.42 3.75 3.80

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# 48 , sergio

3 de Diciembre de 2008, a las 10:31.

Brillante post, enhorabuena

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# 49 , ZP lumbreras con experiencia laboral

3 de Diciembre de 2008, a las 10:31.

Economía/Macro.- Zapatero asegura que España superará la renta per cápita de Alemania en 2010
12:36 - 15/01/2007

Enlaces relacionados

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La renta per cápita china alcanzará los 2.400 dólares en 2010 (9/10)
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MADRID, 15 (EUROPA PRESS)

El presidente del Gobierno, José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, asegura que España superará la renta per cápita de Alemania en 2010, tras registrar en los últimos años crecimientos cercanos al 4% y crear el 60% de los puestos de trabajo que se registran en Europa.

“De aquí a 2010 les podemos superar perfectamente. Igualar y superar ligeramente”, subraya Zapatero en relación a la renta per cápita Alemana en una entrevista a ‘El País’ recogida por Europa Press. “Estamos seguros de que vamos a superar a Alemania ya Italia en renta per cápita de aquí a dos, tres años. Les vamos a coger”, añade.

El jefe del Ejecutivo indica además que la economía española registró en 2006 un superávit del 1,6%, unos 14.000 millones de euros, y defiende la política de estabilidad presupuestaria llevada a cabo por su gobierno. Según Zapatero, el superávit presupuestario permite a España ser uno de los países mejor considerados en los mercados internacionales y reducir el nivel de deuda para acercarla al 30% del PIB.

“Esto supone que los jóvenes de hoy pagarán menos impuestos en España mañana. Por la acción del superávit. Así de sencillo (…), igual que van a pagar los trabajadores algo menos con la reforma del IRPF en este 2007″, subrayó el jefe del Ejecutivo, tras reiterar que con estas cifras de las cuentas públicas, España “está segura económicamente”.

SEGUIRÁ LA CONSTRUCCIÓN DE VIVIENDAS.

Preguntado sobre el ‘boom inmobiliario’, Zapatero indica que un país que crece demográficamente como España, que registra crecimientos económicos importantes y que crea empleo, va a seguir construyendo viviendas porque es uno de los “síntomas” de la bonanza económica. En este sentido, asegura que el sector de la construcción seguirá creciendo, pero que el precio de la vivienda se irá moderando, como ya ha comenzado a registrarse.

Finalmente, recuerda que el Gobierno ha puesto en marcha el Plan Nacional de Reformas, que lleva más de un año en vigor y comprende más de 150 actuaciones, y añade que gracias a estas medidas está mejorando la productividad, aunque reconoce que menos de lo que sería “deseable”. Así, indica que un primer objetivo es llegar en 2010 al 2% de gasto en I+D+i, frente al 1,13% actual.

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# 50 , juan

3 de Diciembre de 2008, a las 10:34.

Una cuestion que plantee ayer y que no se ha contestado:
Una pregunta, he echo una amortización anticipada de 3000€ y aparte de cobrarme una comisión parcial del 1% me han colado unos intereses por valor del periodo que resulta de la revisión de la hipoteca (31/10/2008) hasta la fecha de amortización (30/11/2008), al tipo de interés que tenía fijado en la hipoteca (4,5990). ¿Es legal cobrar estos intereses? Es que no logro entender porqué me los cobran.

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