The bag and psychology

Sometimes in trying to understand all stock movements forget a maximum fundamental: the bag move people with mental outlines some very similar to ours. Even the automatic programs that generate so much volume are based on basic psychological patterns. An example: A year ago, when someone earning about 5% by buying shares in Santander to € 14 had no hurry to sell, saying that "so what am I gonna do with the money?", Was an upward trend calm now if it earns a 5% by buying a few shares of Santander 6 € to be in a hurry to sell, appear to burn. This happens because volatility creates fear and lack of confidence, it does not matter the price, and the action is, in short, is pure psychology.

And is that almost all the great masters of the science of money were unable to become millionaires. I do not mean to get rich selling textbooks, but speculating. To my knowledge, no more than three business days speculators in the economic history:

Ie, knowledge economy does not turn anyone into an expert in making money.

However, with psychological patterns if you can make money. An example:

Some years ago the brothers Hirsch, one of the best firms on a global search for seasonal patterns, published a few details: that the days of the week are not all equal to the hours of trading. The Dow Jones from 1990 to 2006, if you look through days of the week would have given the following records:

  • 6460 points Monday.
  • +1615 Tuesday.
  • +204 Wednesday.
  • -226 Points Thursday.
  • -523 Points Friday.

I am not a psychologist but these data are truly amazing and I can think of two interpretations: the beginning of the week makes us more willing to invest and to action that is approaching the end of the week we wanted and we spend more on Rest and also to open markets and give us a quiet activity that does not give us the weekend. I think that even if markets do not close this schedule will never disappear.

So chalk up the meantime, trading for short it is best to buy and sell Friday at the close on Monday. However, if during the weekend unleashes a world war ... care.

You see? I also have this psychological pattern in mind.

Another example:

Morningstar commissioned a few years ago to teachers Bernatzi, Kahneman and Thaler to conduct a survey to determine the extent to which U.S. investors were subject to the problem of over-optimism. The study was done in 1999 just before the outbreak of the bubble and the question was simple:

When you pose a financial investment Spending more time thinking about the benefits that could gain or losses that might cause?

The responses were the most impactful, both appearing in some psychology books:

  • 39% said it spent much more time, almost all the time, thinking about what was going to win.
  • 35% passing more time thinking about what was going to win.
  • 19%, did the right thing, that is, spend the same time valuing the gain or loss.
  • Only 6% said it spent more time assessing the loss.
  • 1% said that almost all the time spent evaluating the potential loss.

I think the results are for all of us to ponder. 74% of those entering the market does so because it believes it will win a lot and does not adequately assess risk. Only 7 percent were very concerned for the losses. 74% vs. 7%! and a paltry 1 percent of people who are concerned about extreme form for the losses compared to 39% who cares only about what is going to win. That is why the excessive optimism is so serious ...

And now we return to our own mental patterns: Is it not true that if you buy something and get in because we secure the gain but we have not sold and if we buy low and as we recover our level we are keen to sell at the same price as before seduced us to buy? The share and the price is the same, only our perception has changed.

I think I exciting, there are serious studies have found that even the relationship between sunny days and increases in bag! All this shows that the stock market is not an entelechy that handle some characters inaccessible with superior intelligence, is something as human as any other activity, and sometimes their impulses are so irrational because they are a true reflection of ourselves and our mindset.

In fact, there are a number of terms of psychology own more than economics that explains very well this stock structure and is very well appreciated in this chart that could, at least in its first-half overlap to the chart of the stock market last year and that marks the point of maximum financial risk as opposed to the point of better investment opportunity:

Optimism, enthusiasm, excitement, I am ready, euphoria, anxiety, denial, fear, desperation, panic, capitulation, despair, depression, hope, relief, optimism.

Now there are so many looking for the floor of the bearish market may be forgetting the "setbacks Fibonacci" or Elliot waves and look for diving in their own feelings ...

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# 1, Carlos Lopez

November 19, 2008, at 9:16.

Summary: press

- The Spanish GDP fell for the first time in 15 years (-0.2%) and 145,700 lost jobs in one year
- SOS from the U.S. automobile: 25,000 million, or receive or is bankrupt
- The growth of bad debt in the banking slows in September
- A little help: investors in real estate will not pay taxes
- BBVA conducts the largest securitization of Spain by 8500 million
- The deceptions that adversely affect the stock market is punishable by imprisonment
- Labor is considering removing from the list of unemployment for those affected by temporary EREs to disguise the figures
- Merrill Lynch: European real estate need 21,500 million
- The prosecutor of New York proposes to suspend the bonus of bankers

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# 2, Jose

November 19, 2008, at 9:21.

Good morning,

The bad-good-or the bag is that it has a very strong psychological component and their movements are hardly predictable, understandable and even less quantifiable.

I enclose the post with some links:
The psychology of the investor
Psychology of investing

S2 ;)

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# 3, Real History

November 19, 2008, at 9:21.

Good morning. It is the second time I write in this forum and I want to write this to demonstrate my feelings to what amounts to the government, Local, Finance, deputations and in general, the system ensures that our welfare.

I have an SME that more "p" that "me" since we are in total 3, namely, 2 employees and me. We are dedicated to the service sector and bring into operation almost 3 years. They have not been few environmental barriers that despite wanting everything to comply strictly, looking for problems where none had.

With the issue of subsidies more of the same, you take away the desire to ask for anything, because with all the documents requested, on paper spend more than it is worth the subsidy. (If we are lucky and get paid the second part we should have gained more than a year ago, of course)

For the unions there are, as the agency informs me that they have reached an agreement on wage increase in the sector of metallurgy and now I have to subirle salary to one of my employees 160 €, but as it's retroactive, I owe it to 4000 €, plus another € 1,000 for Social Security. With this mejoráis the situation of workers? Rather forzáis companies to take measures that are far less benefit to employees.

And what side I think that is when advertising, among other things of the 400 €, what the plan VIVE, the 2-year mortgage, so the aid to banks, so they do not want everyone to know who asked aid, that the congress are 50, 350, as of ... .... Gentlemen, this is a tomadura hair!!

I believe this system is very poorly raised, and I speak with knowledge of the facts, as I have been employed and now I'm on their own account and in spite of: start from scratch, seeking a loan to the bank, to work a 2 people pay their social security, religiously pay the IVAS and the statements of income and in general, give much more to the coffers of this wonderful country of what they gave before, I feel totally abandoned, and not just think that gives us a few facilities But even put us tripping.

Did not see that the government give us more facilities we can offer short to medium term more jobs, more stability and even more gain for all, taking the steps they are taking, that the less you have to see if chimpanzees and leads the country? (a salute to all the chimpanzees, they know they want)

Leo proposed a million times more interesting in this forum on a day that all proposals made by the government since he started all this. Congratulations to all.

pd-I hope I can keep fighting and not have to announce a day: Carmiña ... hey, I leave this, eh? It is very stressful. Not interesting, woman, stressful.

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# 4, Anonymous

November 19, 2008, at 9:23.

EURO 3.40 3.93 4.19!

Today there will be a drop buenAa

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# 5,

November 19, 2008, at 9:32.

4 Anonimo, I would love to make mistakes, but I think this data and that of 1110 will not have much to do.

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# 6, Good Night and Good Luck!

November 19, 2008, at 9:36.

I liked the article! In my work there are many people entering bag ... and I see it, this article is a reflection of all of them, and according to the feeling they give me, I think it starts or within a very short (3-6 months) will be a good time to enter. Recommendation: In the bag will not fall to less than € 3000-4000 that is wasting time and get fat to brokers!

Well, there we are presenting the Euribor, my boss and I have made a small porrita! He said that just the month in 3900 and the truth that I'm mortgaged to go for 4000, each day that goes by gives me the feeling that he is closer to hitting, but good, it's better for me! even losing a lunch! :-)

Euribor today
4.227

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# 7, Janario

November 19, 2008, at 9:37.

The truth is that with everything you say can give anyone the impression of being prepared to play the stock market: buy Friday, sell on Monday, and be attentive to the good weather and good cheer for global action.

Thanks, I found it extremely interesting.

Drawing the Crisis

Greetings

Janario.

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# 8, Good Night and Good Luck!

November 19, 2008, at 9:39.

# 4, Anonymous

The forum has commented that the Euribor is not updated, just published a vezal day, I think these data nseñais not worth as a reference, is simply a hook on the page. website where accedeis!

Like me wrong! but it is what I read here on many occasions

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# 9, Nacho SAFE

November 19, 2008, at 9:46.

Work on a grenade in real estate, I liked the article, and what can you comment estrapolar the world of brick and that's right.

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# 10, Droblo

November 19, 2008, at 9:47.

4,5,8 Euribor is the mark once daily but is based (or should) in interbank prices that are 12 months that you target that gives a Web broker and Spanish, but as I said yesterday it may be that those prices are in demand (and the Euribor is a type of offer) or average prices between demand and supply and I repeat, are approximate.

I do not see changes from Monday in the price of the interbank 12 months: 4.20-4.25 and also as I said yesterday, as there are banks that pay above the Euribor even that price can be considered 4.15-4.25 and 4.20-4.30, with perhaps that's why one standard price has been so many differences between Monday and Tuesday.

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# 11, Anonymous

November 19, 2008, at 9:50.

Oysters'm undecided ... For my feelings are on the best time to invest, then appears enculator and their feelings, I suggest that is the worst time to invest ... And then when you leave today got a visit from a bird that carries ten years of "desperation" . Mmmm I do not know, I do not know

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# 12, Droblo

November 19, 2008, at 9:50.

7 which operates in half does not mean that something will work this week or next, especially bearing in mind that historically the stock market has risen many times more that day has fallen yet this year is not so.
I've given as an example not as a recommendation, at least not in a bearish trend as strong as the one we have.

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# 13, TAHartl

November 19, 2008, at 9:50.

Hello everybody.

Z-ETERNITY: 20.000 million reasons not to invest in specific projects in times of crisis nationally and internationally.

With all due respect to Miguel Barceló, I hope I'm not fine for not writing it correctly, which is not entered assess their level of art.

¿Barceló with Coca-Cola? Yes, please. ¿Barceló with the third world? No, please. ¿Barceló with education in Spain? No, please. ¿Barceló with the club Z-artist? Yes, please. Awarded the project ...

Budget reform room full "Alliance of Civilizations" Palace located in Geneva delivered by the UN: 4 million euros.

Budget work of art in public examination of just the dome: 20.000 billion euros borne by all taxpayers suffering Spaniards. ¿Details of the budget?.

NGOs: MSF.

Phone call to any location in the Kingdom of Spain to speak with a measured 'voluntary' Veteran (MV).

MV: Yes, tell me.
Rookie volunteer doctor (MN): Good morning sir MV, calling from a place in the 1000 vaccines that are needed for children and I'm surprised because it should have arrived in a dispatch dated yesterday. It is important that they arrive this week or the Spanish government will be responsible for vaccines promise to save lives and children die. Those who live here will not be viewed favorably.
MV: Okay relax, I will make efforts with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of our country. Call me within 2 hours.

... After two hours ...

MV: I am explaining that there is no money. Had a budget but I do not know how to explain clearly why they have not sent the package with the vaccines. Since the shipping agency and the laboratory have no record of any order.
MN: But how is this possible?. If the Vice President of the government promised that they would be here by mid-November. What we say to these people?. Why not come now Vice President and explains what?. Why not manifest the NGOs Spanish?. So we can not fulfill our mission.
MV: Chisssssssssssssssss, silence. He was not going to hear from Spain. For here is the rumor that this money has been invested in the top echelon of the UN in Geneva in the hall of the Alliance of Civilizations. The figure in particular is € 500,000. Future generations will not remember our conversation, nor of the children who will die and be immortalized author and our president Mr. Rodriguez Zapatero. When you take as long as I do, check how an NGO, what are the true human rights and what it means an alliance of civilizations. Therefore, échele imagination and resolve the matter as you can.
MN: Quéeeeeeeeeeeee? What about my nephews in college and my younger brother in slums receiving classes?. This is just outrageous ...

"LINCOS by sheep."

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# 14, JL

November 19, 2008, at 9:52.

Let's see if it continues down ejeje.

One asked me to see if anyone can solve. I have a mortgage. In August, I checked and I have a nominal interest rate of 6.1110 (Euribor +0,75). But I applied for a Tae 6.285.

I wanted to know if this differential (0174) between the two is exorbitant and would have to be soon.

Thank you very much at all.

A greeting.

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# 15, Shaman

November 19, 2008, at 9:54.

One of the models of the general psychology is called Transactional Analysis, and I think that could be applied adequately to the current situation. To not be very long message which suggest that this concerned look more information. I will reduce the concepts and forgive me if that is not very clear or leads to confusion.
The theory is based on understanding the person as an "emotional container" which would assess the form that manages his emotions on the basis of the transactions they do. Say, that the person Haria emotional transactions on a continuous basis and the analysis would be based on how it affects their lives and behavior.
In this sense, the system would be based on analysis of the interaction of three components, namely:
- El Nino. Would be based on emotional freedom, in search of love and egocentrism (which need not be bad)
- The Adult. Would be based on proper decision-making and reflection.
- Father. Would be based on the values, norms and authority.

These three aspects say that every person is entremezclarian and people with some mismatch (either Gande or small) would have to analyze what is and try to compensate.
Logically, the mismatch would occur when any of the three is in shortage or in excess, as well as in dominance.
So, if you do not find that the child is over we would find ourselves with the figure of the psychopath therefore not be controlled, if the adult is in excess with Scott since pass much time on superfluous details or fears for decision making, if the father is excess we would find ourselves with the figure twice the repressor and repressed.

Well, the current situation according to this model could be summed up in that during good times people behave with Your Child, that is any optimism, there's no tomorrow and acting so emotional rather than mental. At the time, the Adult and Father would have been relegated to second place, since decisions to be taken lightly and without any control.
That is, precisely during these years that the market (do not forget that the market is based on the transactions of natural persons) would have behaved with their particular Child, a psychopathic promoting self-centeredness in its version without negatively and think about the future .
Let's say now that are bad for not having given the market is balanced in other respects (Adult and Father) has trouble reacting to the market.
On closing, and not make this too long imaginaos a child who has thrown a stone at a window and said that what happened? Face of child well. Not that I do not know, is that this is advocating.

A greeting
Shaman
Pd: I repeat that I have fallen a lot and I apologize if it is not clear or call confusion.

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# 16, Manuel

November 19, 2008, at 9:55.

Anyone who buys shares on the stock today think that a player must be born. I imagine that responses to the survey of the article would be like if they did at the entrance to a casino.
Years ago, people invested in the stock market in the very long term, "because in the long run always goes up." Of these, I think we should be very few, today the majority of whom are speculators buy on the stock exchange, in the good sense of the word, not investors.
By definition, players born, they are always optimistic, move or impulses "pálpitos" and very little sound.

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# 17, Carlos Lopez

November 19, 2008, at 9:57.

# 15, Shaman
Thanks for your comment, I studied in his day and I had completely forgotten where these things do not interest me. Watch the notes again :)

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# 18, Purification

November 19, 2008, at 9:58.

# 13, TAHartl

Let's see if we give incorrect data. The Dome has cost 20 million euros, not 20,000, how are you going to mention someone similar figures? The State has made 8 million euros. I am not satisfied that I agree with the use of development funds for those purposes.

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# 19 Droblo

November 19, 2008, at 10:09.

Crude oil 53.55

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# 20, dperez

November 19, 2008, at 10:12.

# 13, TAHartl

For many jets linked false talks absurd, for a lot of data that you should not believe you when you type (you know how many are 20,000 million euros ...), nor much rhetoric, has never invested so much in development aid from Spain, That is evident.
Apart from that I do not agree with the money for this, nor I like the play itself ... they should give a little like plaster, as in any house of a neighbor. But there are many ways to express it, without falling into the usual rhetoric.

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# 21, Droblo

November 19, 2008, at 10:12.

18 the controversy is because of the 8 million state (12 have been from private contributions) have caught 500 thousand euros in development funds ...

I too bad but I think those are the figures

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# 22, Purification

November 19, 2008, at 10:14.

# 19, Droblo

That figure in the price of crude, is the West Texas? On the page of Bloomberg, the figure for Brent 48.31 U.S. dollars. I understand that Brent is the benchmark in Europe. Why on this page if you referee to another index? Excuse my ignorance on the subject, and I thank you in advance for the explanation.

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# 23, think green

November 19, 2008, at 10:17.

Sneha hear where you see the guys in real time that page or address thank you very much friends

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# 24, cuckoo

November 19, 2008, at 10:25.

well here is talk of crisis etc ...

but the important thing is the existence of beer in pubs -

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# 25, david

November 19, 2008, at 10:26.

is here but I will not be like this if someone explained it to me I appreciate it
thanks http://www.grupocimd.com/cotizaciones/interbancario_inter.asp

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# 26, New

November 19, 2008, at 10:29.

# 18, Purification
# 20, dperez

The problem is that HAN Caught 500 thousand euros in development funds and this is no Demagogy

That is the problem and not how it has exposed ICEMAN.

For my part to positive and negative # 13 to # 18 and # 20

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# 27, Droblo

November 19, 2008, at 10:33.

22 I always speak of texas, because it is often negotiate more in the future (in fact not know if there are future of brent available) and I got it in real time on my broker and is most common among those who move the cotarro ( CLÓPEZ is putting on this page as well) but in Europe we use the most brent in the real economy
but come on, you refer to an article OBSERVER-induced and that will come out soon on this website for more explanations on the different types of oil markets and that it negotiated.

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# 28, Sonyman

November 19, 2008, at 10:38.

Good morning, and congratulations to all involved in the site, read the floor every day.
I wanted to ask if anyone has had the opportunity to negotiate a private contract in the Caixa Catalunya, instead of a novation to modify any data on your mortgage.
I am one of the many harmed by the annual revision of the same entity, and he has risen to 6% interest, and I am negotiating an amendment or a possible change entity (ING in my case and the type stable) and I fall over 200 € a share.
thanks.

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# 29, er lame lard

November 19, 2008, at 10:40.

Comments on copulation, (pardon dome) come from reactionary sectors that:
-They do not want to the UN, it is better to the American way ...
-International relations will bring not care because they share a unique and exclusive nationalism.
- It seems that the right is interested in development aid?
A minute of silence.

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# 30, Enculator

November 19, 2008, at 10:43.

Today I am saving 50 € with the fall of the Euribor and you'll see?

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# 31, SOLE

November 19, 2008, at 10:44.

In part I agree with Iceman, is not normal in times of crisis we are going to the world that we spend € 500.00 for the departure of Development.
If I'm not too uneducated understand that there is the R & D, research and development, which I do not understand how good it works is that among all pay the personal development of an artist, and until I am an artist.

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# 32, Droblo

November 19, 2008, at 10:46.

Key, sorry for your daddy but everything suggests that the pound will weaken:

According to the reading of minutes of the last meeting of the Bank of England, in the voting 9 to 0 in favor of drop of 150 basis points, and in addition it was felt that there would continue to fall.

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# 33, New

November 19, 2008, at 10:47.

# 29, er lame lard

But that tonterias're saying. Who here has spoken of the right or the left or do not want to the UN.

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# 34, and that's all friends

November 19, 2008, at 10:48.

Only a point for Real Story, Forgot to say that SMEs (I almost did not arrive or P) are the major lenders in the state, and to forward the VAT (lately in my company we are charging between 120-180 days bills Mainly work with the administration) and we are as good as they do not charge or interest.

In the end,

and the last to turn off the light

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# 35, HENRY

November 19, 2008, at 10:49.

If highly populist, if Federico Saints is also populist.
People who messes with the government makes demagoguery. Thing that the government does not, the government did not lie, the government is not wasted, the government smiles, the players do not spend government, are good ...
This is an economic forum, until someone proves otherwise, and what is clear is that economically we have a bunch of sloppy ... The state remains a bucket full of holes, but Diosssss that goes unnoticed, therefore, that does not seem While some benefits and is passed to others. (price Politburo?)
The Lord has given small businessman in the nail, not spent on what to spend. We need to generate economy. So it is hard to understand?
That is the main role of government, providing ways for people to be able to earn a living. No exit at the photo of the G20, neither of the Azores, nor in the calendar Rayan Air ...
In the end, trust me there is no evil that lasts more than me ...

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# 36, Droblo

November 19, 2008, at 10:49.

31, only one thing, one thing is development funds and other R & D (research and development)

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# 37, Carlos Lopez

November 19, 2008, at 10:52.

On oil have an article Droblo yet, anyway was published a long time that resolves any doubt on existing varieties: http://www.euribor.com.es/2008/06/12/oros-y-petroleos /

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# 38, stop

November 19, 2008, at 10:52.

as you have seen this at this time santander in the bag?
I think it is the ideal time to buy a 5.66 ....
like what you see? much more ... I do not think it alight.

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# 39, ARROW

November 19, 2008, at 10:53.

# 14:

The APR is the annual percentage rate to capitalize on an amount to a kind of compound interest is, a 5% per annum from 10,000 euros 500 euros but are interested in simple, if we apply the monthly interest would be 5.11 APR. Anyway you can calculate this webhttp: / / usuarios.lycos.es / angel_gm /

Let's see if it keeps going down! Today I have 4.20 biannual revision in September and I raised 180 euros, now I hope to get about 300 in March, the Euribor for that must go up to 4% in January.

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# 40, Shaman

November 19, 2008, at 10:54.

# 17, Carlos Lopez

In all, for that we are.
I forgot to mention that people should not confuse Transactional Analysis and Emotional Intelligence. They are complementary but one is based on the explanatory model and one more in the process and its management.
In this regard, the line that I really enjoyed this strip where the psychology is the Positive Psychology. In the United States is taking this forward many other streams.
Contrary to what you might think is the Positive Psychology is based on the strengths of the person thus minimizing the stress of our weaknesses.
Today I do not have much time, but shortly to see if I Curro a scream and stress on economy, I feel like it.

A greeting
Shaman

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# 41, SOLE

November 19, 2008, at 10:59.

# 36, Droblo
I noticed something that I'm uneducated, but I still do not understand what part of € 500,000 for the departure of Development, at what development relate?

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# 42, Anonymous

November 19, 2008, at 11:04.

4.219
-1.22%

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# 43, Minotaur

November 19, 2008, at 11:06.

Real Story # 3

That is your point of view, which is very respectable. I know that what you say is true, it is not easy to mount a company, there are many obstacles and complications. But it is what it is, he does not want the complications, not the rides and employee, as everything in life, has its advantages and disadvantages.

Anyone who rides a company knows it is complicated, but it is assumed that it compensates for in the sense that it is his "own boss" and ultimately if the business is profitable, you get a standard of living far superior to that of a worker. In the background is an investment, like any other and can go well and you can go wrong.

As I said to you, I respect your point of view, but now I do, I'll give you another, the worker of an SME, which in its day was. I worked more hours playing, I am not the paid, if rechistaba the chief looked at me wrong, it was as if I was doing a favor by giving me work. The minimum wage was always that marked the law, there was no motivation because the company was good or bad, it was always the same, though my head was a braggart of aupa. Because so few people, you had no strength to defend your rights. Of course, I decided to go.

Although I infléis to negative, I think that many SMEs still have to thank your employees into "semi-slavery." One thing is to have a bad streak and your boss prompted an effort for the good of all, is arrima the shoulder and make the boat float. And it is quite another for a company that remains necessary that all workers are doing overtime constantly, free, and taking a salary unworthy, that for me, that means the company is not viable. However much one would cost acknowledged, not always to mount an SME this has to have a future.

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# 44, Anonymous

November 19, 2008, at 11:07.

I get that now stays at a 4.23

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# 45, with a doubt

November 19, 2008, at 11:07.

It has left the issue of TAE, I would like to see someone I clarify one thing: the monthly fee for the mortgage, is supposed to be the sum total of Euribor + or differential calculus is made on that amount but with APR included? I do not know if I explain, with amounts:
150,000 mortgage for 25 years to the Euribor +0.50
share would be 876.59, which is the one that goes without TAE
or would it be something more than the 876.59 also be applied to the APR?
Thank you very much

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# 46, hipotecaohastalamedula

November 19, 2008, at 11:08.

The government already has the solution to unemployment:

"Do not count on early retirement"

Manda balls!!

That is, these gentlemen YES continue to claim that the strike, but are not counted.

Well, all measures remain the same ... these reduce unemployment to 3% in 2 years:

Go to "no" to those who do workshops
Go to "no" to those who never worked (if you are aiming for is something, but do not count)
Nor does count for carrying less than 3 months without any work (that is, if he has been 2 ½ months, 1 day to send me an inventory and would not)
Do not count on over 55 because they would be close early retirement ..

And so on.

I get scared only if they are going to fix this so we have left.

By the way .. someone knows what was concluded at the meeting of G-20? The measure that was taken all the wise ..: We have to fix this? No one said anything? that's not needed for 20 with 2 left over ...

Much fanfare about the meeting and the only thing I know is that Zapatero will now proposed that unions and employers. But this guy who thinks that this is a party? Come on! When we get to G-69 orgy!!

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# 47, J.

November 19, 2008, at 11:09.

Notice to Mariners

Hold on to fill the tank. According to the calculations that keep the price of diesel on international markets has been desfondado the last week. The on the spot (current theoretical price if bought in the day) has increased from 0.99 euros liter (final price at the pump) to be 0.92 euros a liter.

The previous times has this happened, the monopolies of oil in spain have been forced (remember the ongoing investigation of the CNE) to lower prices in a week or two. That is, in a week or two (before the end of November), the diesel can be euros to 0.93 liters in the autonomous communities with "robo-cent in-health". The remainder, below 0.90 (the toilet is penny> of a cent: in Madrid, the bad witch haunts us with 2.4 cents liter for diesel-automotive and attempts to - 4.7 cents liter the heat ... why call it penny if you are almost 5 per liter? ... and after Mrs. Hope was not down to taxes?

Well, I was going to pot: wait to rush around the reservoir, that diesel will give us a joy (applicable to the car and heating oil) in the short term.

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# 48, Dani

November 19, 2008, at 11:09.

Euribor 12 months (360) 4219 -0052 -1218 5526 4219 19/11/2008

NOTA DEL ADMINISTRADOR: Tu comentario ha sido transformado a minusculas. Desactiva el Bloqueo de Mayusculas cuando escribas en esta bitacora, por favor.

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# 49, er lame lard

November 19, 2008, at 11:10.

Pa # 33, New.
Here there is plenty smart he is the fool, but I get a thousand rounds.
Pa precupaos of the development aid (I will decide what e).
What rich countries and rich but not so generous, giving the third world. (Alms)
The NGOs called 0.7 of GDP.
Here a lot of filthy hippy who is asking for more.
Is that the more you give them more demanding.
Is it necessary to divert staff to other items?

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# 50, Follo with Fatatas

November 19, 2008, at 11:11.

# 13, TAHartl

My positive.

I do not understand those who have been futile you have fried to negative.

Greetings.

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