Guessing the future

Niels Bohr was a physique Danes to which he was in his honor on behalf of the chemical element "Bohrio" (Bh), a highly unstable isotope which may never see it because its half-life is just 0.44 seconds. But what interests us from this man is this great quote:

"Prediction is very difficult, especially if it is about the future."

It is curious that a scientist (one of the few professions in which after much experience can be made reliable prediciones) dares to say what many economists are silent, our inability to know what will happen. But when the forecasts are positive and we creernoslas are more aware that when they are negative, the most obvious example is the current crisis hidden in its gestation both by Governments and by the media as for ourselves. In fact, in this very blog I cortaypega in early January about a pelín pessimistic forecasts for this year that passed without penalty or glory for his catastrophist dye.

But this is not new and not go further in 1999 in the stock market boom of technology companies (the famous bubble. Com), was published the book "Dow 100,000 myth or reality" that you can still buy on Amazon, this is a short summary of what is going.

Many magazine articles and even books tell you that the stock markets by the end of the 90 are in a dangerous bubble. No one can know when will the crash but many people think we're very close to the next big economic curve. Kadlec, chief investment Seligman Advisors has a different point of view: the bad things happen now and forever, but the Dow Jones will reach 100,000 points in 2020. In other words "two decades of growth above average." This represents only a 11.1% annual growth in the share price, which is completely unrealistic.

We can find similar books written that year:

Ya see, as were the predictions for nearly 10 years, the markets were going to go up to infinity and beyond, that looked like an auction ... 30,000, 36,000, 40,000 and 100,000. Let us not forget, we now have the U.S. stock market (Dow) in 8500.

Curiously, all the criticism he received from the book "Dow 100,000" by users of the shop amazon before the crash of 2000 were 5 stars (you can see it in its web), well, all except one who said.

This book is the confirmation that the bubble has been in the minds of Americans.

So we function, suddenly in the minds of citizens creates a mood, as soon as optimistic and pessimistic anyone who writes against that thinking is completely ignored. If you want to start a blog that works now, you have to talk about the crisis, with predictions that by 2020 the Dow Jones will be 100 and that oil will be $ 1,000. Even if you do not want to give it credibility uséis round number, say something like "in the year 2023 the Dow Jones will be on 158 points since it look like there is a mathematical model detrtás. Whenever we meet with opposing views, but we tend to ignore those that go against the tide of current thinking, hence it is difficult to predict the bubbles and it is difficult to leave them once they have exploited. Therefore, he did not have a more critical look at any news that we read and that somehow that state of mind that floats in the air, will be reflected in it. Items such as written yesterday by Oriol, were undoubtedly fresh air in the current economic, as were two years ago we warned of the excesses.

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# 1, Droblo

November 18, 2008, at 9:16.

It is absurd to make prophecies and even more absurd loss in the market but your article I was reminded of something I wrote in my blog on Dec. 31, 2007:

Can they climb the bags in a context of rising prices and growth to the bottom? The past months have shown that, yes, with the liquidity of the central banks of time is achieved. And I have no idea whether it could continue. Take the example of Spain (and thus not mention neither the USA nor the geopolitical deficit):
- In the third quarter, the unemployment rate has once again exceed 8%.
- The rate of registered unemployment increased interannual month to month.
- The interannual rate of unemployment among foreigners is growing at around 30% which is over the "miracle" of new additions to Social Security.
- Cae consumer confidence.
- Increase the levels of household indebtedness.
- The competitiveness and productivity are still on the floor, while the external deficit grows, which is close to 10% of GDP.
- No longer converges with Europe, but in real terms, it diverges from it.
- The OECD revised its forecast in two tenths on the growth of the Spanish economy, to be left at 2.5%. Eight-tenths less than the figure used for the development of the State Budget!
-Inflation soared, and therefore falls the purchasing power of the Spaniards.
-The real estate crisis is no longer a theory, it is a fact.

Getting worse all the figures, and would for an article on December 31, 2008 ...
It's nice to be positive and not lose the faith but the data are devastating ...

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# 2, Carlos Lopez

November 18, 2008, at 9:17.

A clear example of what in this article is the price of oil. Now downhill eb its price negatively influence the markets and that impact on income statements of oil companies (with a lot of weight in the stock indices) and insinuate that a cooling of the economy.

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# 3, Oscar Zarzosa

November 18, 2008, at 9:22.

I think we have already bottomed out. I worked in a bank and closed the faucet long before they even Rajoy spoke of the word crisis. Now my friends tells me they have already begun to sign mortgages. It will not be wasting before, but this looks good. No more CRISIS

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# 4, Minotaur

November 18, 2008, at 9:27.

With whom he is falling, not to pray to stay out of work, because the thing is very, very, bad pint. There have always been closed to companies and people who become unemployed, but to be more isolated, not without difficulties, it was easier to try to reposition. Now, it will be much more difficult because there are many sectors affected and there will be an oversupply for the low demand to be.

Ojala me wrong, but I think most people who will be without work, especially the least qualified, it is very crude to find work. If you do not have something "special" offer that will be complicated, not to mention that, with that much employer vultures come to fish in troubled waters and offer to work in worse conditions than before, playing with fear.

I sincerely believe that a lot of work that are going to miss going to be sunk for years. Many of these jobs have been created around the bubble, both real estate and consumer, we are surrounded. They were works based on a lie, it deflates and with our poor industrial fabric will be almost impossible to recover them in years.

That said, I have a question about the automotive sector that some Forero insurance industry may respond. How many cars were sold in Spain for about 8 years? That is, before it started the whole bubble. Each year sales beat records, which was also not normal. Could it be that during all these years have been sold too many cars and it was not real? It is possible that what is sold now is a normal thing if we had had a more sustained? It seems clear that not only has been housing bubble, also automobile, at least they recognize in this press release.

http://ecodiario.eleconomista.es/motor/noticias/862102/11/08/Los-concesionarios-se-confiesan-El-25-de-las-ventas-de-coches-eran-falsas.html

We talk of crisis, I believe that what we have is a return to the stark reality that we had only a few years ago and we had forgotten. We have lived a few years of bonanza we have oversized, and believed that it was normal and he was going to last forever.

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# 5, Anonymous

November 18, 2008, at 9:29.

# 3, Oscar Zarzosa:

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ay, ay, ay, JAAAAAAAJAJAJAJAJAJA, JAAAAAAAAAJAJAJAJAJAJA

That good joke good-morning, that's what humor and other nonsense

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# 6, put it BRAKE

November 18, 2008, at 9:30.

There are two very interesting sentences, which read:

Whatever you do, you go to the dump (Murphy)

and

We need to get in the worst, well, whatever happens happens, it will be better or what we have already planned (Meow-Perez Galdos)

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# 7 Anonymous

November 18, 2008, at 9:35.

18/11/08 09:17 1 m. 3 m. 12 m.
USA 1.70 2.50 3.30
EURO 3.70 4.13 4.25

A 9.00 was 4.21 .... Do you suppose that soon will be at 11?
And then come back down to where?

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# 8, Copero

November 18, 2008, at 9:38.

Good morning Carlos:

Predicting the future is impossible (you already know) at least accurate (and I will not be rolled now with the principle of indeterminacy of Heissemberg) ..

But it is to preach to establish what they yield to us, and I explain:

It is not logical to build 600,000 to 800,000 housing units annually with a demand of 200,000.

Now we have a million empty dwellings to be given out (apart from those to be used) and will need 3-4 years to achieve. Until then, construction (which generates a direct and indirect 40% of GDP) will stop and the accumulate ERES one after another, has an international crisis or not.

However, thanks to our beloved minister of Labor (Sr, Corbacho), are not unemployed workers involved in ERES (whatever it is they do not show up for the 3 million unemployed at the end of the year).

Sure that no one was able to predict that this crisis would erupt in 2008, but he was going to explode and very safe virulence.

If you are interested, when you have a hole, you can search the blog Roberto Centeno, their predictions of 5 million unemployed back in late 2007 or so, come on, even when there was no crisis.

Sincerely yours.

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# 9 The large herd

November 18, 2008, at 9:39.

Following the comment from # 3 Oscar, I believe there is a great truth in what you say. When does a thing for a year and a half "some" (including this forum) comentábamos that things went wrong, we were in crisis as many of us watched "Alien". Now it's the opposite when banks are starting (very slowly) to open the faucet of funding and we are crushed into televisions with the word crisis 50 times a day, we noticed that the thing that you can begin to move towards January / February we take for mad again until the idiot box starts to say that the crisis is over or is it 8 or 9 months.
Greetings.

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# 10, SA TRINXA

November 18, 2008, at 9:41.

It will be difficult to see the differential between interest rates and EURIBOR below 1 percentage point in the next few weeks.

Right now this is differential percentage points from 1072, which is the lowest differential for months.

Therefore, until we lower TI will not EURIBOR so steep descents, as here last month.

The key is to see how much down (if lower) INTEREST RATES on Dec. 4. This is what we have to discuss.

The Euribor is about the interest rate + 1 percentage point.

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# 11, Anonymous

November 18, 2008, at 9:42.

For the moment look good:

18/11/08 09:17 1 m. 3 m. 12 m.
USA 1.70 2.50 3.30
EURO 3.70 4.13 4.25
Japan 0.73 1.55 1.98
Canada 2.90 3.05 3.41
United Kingdom 2.40 3.26 3.74
Denmark 4.90 5.35 5.55
Sweden 4.26 4.31 4.56
Switzerland 0.97 1.99 2.63

I bet by 4.25

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# 12, Loptu

November 18, 2008, at 9:43.

Nor will be the end of the world. When all this what happens when people = who is to return to work have you believe that he will not return to consume and consume, they are not going to buy the latest model of car? That when things go up then we will forget the moments and bad, but while a good one usually a quick. It's all cyclical, and history repeats itself.
Greetings.

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# 13, Elivan

November 18, 2008, at 9:45.

# 11, Anonymous

This comment was mine ...

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# 14, Droblo

November 18, 2008, at 9:47.

advertising campaign to solicit for business ayduas state car:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72cHfOKoA1c&eurl=http://www.minyanville.com/articles/gm-tm-bailout-hmc-general-TOYOTA/index/a/20025

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# 15,'m poor

November 18, 2008, at 9:48.

I believe the crisis will be the desacostumbrarnos to the good. will not be the crash of 28, but the growth of all was stupid, because if everything is growing, remains relatively equal, and / as bubble / he will explode if you are not already doing, it is not normal that I get and a nail are 10,000, or sign a deed and you'll collect 100,000, it is clear that not all jobs cost the same, but neither cost what they say.

A greeting and I am glad that mortgages are signed, (one need only see the market is regulated only)

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# 16, Anonymous

November 18, 2008, at 9:48.

Hello. to see if I resolveis a doubt,
On the web http://www.grupocimd.com, there are two entrances:
Euro Interbank
e
Interbank International

What is the difference between the two "Euro"? What cogeis as a reference?

Thank you

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# 17, krollian

November 18, 2008, at 9:49.

What if it just has got is the institutional waste. And that we are in crisis:

The brochazos of Barceló and public spending: more than a impudicia - elConfidencial.com

http://www.elconfidencial.com/cache/2008/11/14/mientras_tanto_33_brochazos_barcelo_gasto_publico_impudicia.html

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# 18, JAC

November 18, 2008, at 9:49.

# 8, Copero

Certainly we need several years to absorb the "surplus" of housing but the halt of the construction sector will not last much; once the banks start to "open the tap", the interests are placed on% "coherent", re-constructed ( no runaway, but rationally).
This will generate jobs, the crisis forward before in other countries, increasing the Spanish tourism industry, generating more work, etc.etc.
Indeed Copero, saying "Good morning, Carlos"
: ( that "SEMOS BY THESE MANY LARES" ;)

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# 19, Virita

November 18, 2008, at 9:50.

"WHILE YOU ARE WAITING TO SKIP THE BEST, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENS TO PREPARE FOR WORST"

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# 20, Anonymous

November 18, 2008, at 9:53.

# 15,'m poor

Again we fall back within 10 or 15 years. As always happens in this case is perhaps more important, but a crisis happen again.

When all this happens and begin to forget, people will revert to thinking that may seek credit for what they want and borrow again for more of what they can ...

It is indeed curious, a month ago my bank denied me a personal credit 9,000 euros to reunite several peaks that paid every month. Last week I offer and I am approved for a credit card without charge in Bankinter with a limit of 10,000. I do not understand it ....

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# 21, Valenciano

November 18, 2008, at 9:54.

For Oscar Zarzosa.

I think you know and that more work in a bank you've done in a financial, not?
I also work in the sector and I see as banks and boxes every day more difficult access to credit.
Exam. Bancaja has signed many mortgages these years and now does not want to know anything about anything.

Greetings

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# 22, Elivan

November 18, 2008, at 9:54.

# 15,'m poor

Again we fall back within 10 or 15 years. As always happens in this case is perhaps more important, but a crisis happen again.

When all this happens and begin to forget, people will revert to thinking that may seek credit for what they want and borrow again for more of what they can ...

It is indeed curious, a month ago my bank denied me a personal credit 9,000 euros to reunite several peaks that paid every month. Last week I offer and I am approved for a credit card without charge in Bankinter with a limit of 10,000. I do not understand it ....

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# 23, delicate situation

November 18, 2008, at 9:57.

Hello everybody.

Well, if you count, real, and also in these delicate times.

After the complicated process of divorce that I have spent my ex-partner (whom I will call A) left at the time which until then was the family home. As usual in such cases, the mortgage must continue pagándola half.

From the outset, A has not been consistent with that money to pay for a house in which no lives. In fact, since a few months ago was threatening to stop paying their share and declared insolvent.

A self-employed in a shop that still belongs to both, and listed on the Social Security system in the general scheme of autonomous (does it say so?) So it is not easy to control their income.

In September, began to fail in paying their quantities. I continued to do so as ever but obviously the red numbers have been increasing gradually.

In addition, parallel A has made a series of expenditures. The most visible has been to put a new door into the enclosure.

Therefore, the payment of this month has not increased the red numbers but has been in arrears against the principal of the loan.

1st Q: Does that indicate that I can go now to RAI or ASNEF or that only happens when you take in this situation three months?

2nd Question: Where is the time I have to file a claim, the suggestion that I have received is to pay what I must A (fortunately I have that amount saved) and submit a claim for that amount plus court costs. What do you think will happen, what can be the judge's ruling if A is declared insolvent?

3rd Question: As you can allow that because of an ex-partner, dolida for having to leave your home and wanting revenge, it may risk losing a bank in the hands of the roof itself? What defense mechanisms are in these cases?

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# 24, Droblo

November 18, 2008, at 9:58.

3 and 9
Hopefully you have reason but I do not know where sacáis that banks are beginning to open the faucet, I would rather see the opposite, banks offer deposits to attract liquidity to price the Euribor.
I do not think this crisis will be resolved in months, is too deep and comprehensive, it would be desirable if this were the case but we can not rule out that lasts years.
Hence the optimism about further interest rate BAJDA ... Yesterday the president spoke of the Bundesbank rate to 2% in 2009 and remembered here yesterday as the future USA discounted rates in the USA on December 16 at 0.50% ... that's the best barometer of the seriousness of the crisis.

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# 25, Elivan

November 18, 2008, at 9:58.

Again I feel like doubling the comments but did not have that problem in the computer and sends them to me before you sign. The sign soon. Really sorry muchiisimo. Is that it is very annoying.

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# 26, Marya

November 18, 2008, at 9:59.

In my opinion, I think it is logical that economic change has been made in recent months, although many already wearing saying for some years, in some ways you could say that it was to be expected.
From my point of view I think it has been among the majority of people who can assure you from my experience, who have lived and are living beyond its means, and overwhelm its economic capabilities, so that they can not cope with any unexpected events.
Today, the majority have high-end vehicles, properties mortgaged to 100% because "everybody did it."
We no longer talk of speculators, but of people from low-middle level that has not been deprived of anything and has not thinking about what could happen.
The theme of "crisis" in a way I think what we are creating qe us alone, with so much publicity to give to people so afraid.
If it is true that times are tough, but in my opinion I think it has everything goes back to the noramlidad if people respond.
Many companies dismissed out of fear, not because there is need and when problems arise ... The crisis in a high percentage we have created ourselves.

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# 27, German

November 18, 2008, at 9:59.

# 12, Loptu
Right. All crises are cyclical, which means that what goes up and down so on. This brings us to forget the past and the future and if we focus on the present. What is easy to say now that this is sinking, which is not a solution, which is all black .. etc. Within a year or maybe half, things will improve but we will be with the fly behind the ear, that is, moderate growth. But over time we will end up forgetting the past and repeat history. That is because human beings are like this. The cars will be re-sold, as well as housing and so on. When? When interest from them forever. The large and is preparing for rebirth. BBVA and Santander are already buying real estate assets, and shortly we will see rates go up stock. Slowly at first and then more quickly

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# 28, Rare Things

November 18, 2008, at 10:00.

At the root of the comment from # 20 and # 3 Oscar he said a strange thing happened to me in the company.
Company of 75 workers (services) in September, we deny the renewal of two credit insurance policies (entity with which we have been working 25 years) and last week we called the BSCH (you do not work) who come to make a visit to the company to offer "their services" and who have an interest in working with us. What's happening?

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# 29, I am poor

November 18, 2008, at 10:00.

# 22, Elivan
If it is cyclical and that will come another crisis like this, because this is the first crisis to Globalization, I put on a 2020 energy crisis, end of the oil and electric bubble

A greeting

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# 30, Copero

November 18, 2008, at 10:00.

# 18, JAC

Good morning JAC.

Today, the builders due to the banks about 300,000 million €, which are of very doubtful debts. Lllega and a level where the builder prefers to seize the bank and lose what we have got to sell below a price and lose even more. At that level we are now.

To avoid this, banks should give back to cheating 50 million to mileuristas, I do not think that recur in at least a couple of generations, so the atracón of flats that will lead banks will be "menu ". That's why we are going to give aid to 150,000 million euros, swallowing the difference between the price they can get at auction of assets ilíquidos at these prices. By the way, with the rest of measures, is estimated to reach 250,000 million euros.

And when I return everything to normal (3 years minimum), construction will not go at the pace of 800,000 dwellings year, but rather to 200,000 housing units annually. The difference of 600,000 housing units, corresponding to 1,200,000 unemployed directly in the construction, along with other sectors dependent on both, or that there is another bubble, or soon enough to be reabsorbed (which is what full employment in a chimera at least in some years).

And look, this is to predict the future and I'm not Rappel. Just another bubble us out of this, but that will revert to delay the problem ...
(Shit, it seems that I'm talking about Terminator 3, the day of reckoning jajaja).

Sincerely yours.

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# 31, Manuel

November 18, 2008, at 10:01.

There are two very powerful engines that drive many human behaviors: greed and fear.
Greed and fear they turn blind to the dangers, not the first and the second is the inventory. And the worst thing is that these behaviors are highly contagious.
When things are going well, ex. era bullish on the stock market, we tend to become greedy and we get the "buy, buy," but when you get ugly, comes the fear that gets in panic and we get the "sell, sell," and the proverbial "joer, if I already knew this, and you had said, .... "
In both cases, therefore rationalizes, common sense does not exist and interpret the news as our state and also found everywhere predictions suggest that our preconceived ideas.
Many of the predictions are made under Article these states are therefore nothing credible.

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# 32, Engineer

November 18, 2008, at 10:02.

# 4, Minotaur

"Crisis automotive"

You are absolutely right, I will answer for my sector in particular and this is a customer of my company was an importer of luxury cars and then distributed to other companies throughout the country.

The firm's 2000 to 2007 increased greatly, to import about 50 cars to more than 700 cars, even bringing in 100 cars a month, and we are talking about cars 70K to 150K euros (remember that I took a compact 23K, I prefer to spend the dough on serious things) ...

Well ... this company that moved millions and millions of euros is now in technical crack, the manager and owner of several letters to his luxury villa and is in ruin, it all melted into luxuries.

Summing went from selling hundreds of cars to ZERO, if I do say ZERO of NADA, not sold or a car.

PS: for the moment at which the company holds perform, albeit with some redundancy.

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# 33, Johnny

November 18, 2008, at 10:03.

Good morning:

That the entities that do not grant mortgages, such as Bancaja, is not quite true. What happens now sharpening their lot. I assure you that if you go a couple of officials to request a mortgage, and they have saved something (not much) is given without any problems. What was over, and I hope forever, is to grant mortgages of 120% of the valuation of the floor to people with salaries of 800 euros and a working life of three months.
A greeting to all Forero.
Oh, and now is a good time to negotiate the terms of the mortgage through innovation, reducing the differential or, for example, switch from annual reviews of a half-share or vice versa, depending on your interests by the fall of the Euribor.
A greeting to all Forero.

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# 34, stop

November 18, 2008, at 10:07.

THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU UNDERSTAND ....
18/11/08 09:47 1 m. 3 m. 12 m.
USA 1.63 2.50 3.85
EURO 3.68 4.10 4.20
Japan 0.73 1.43 2.28
Canada 2.90 3.05 3.40
United Kingdom 2.60 3.23 4.28
Denmark 4.90 5.35 5.55
Sweden 4.26 4.31 4.56
Switzerland 1.00 1.99 2.64

Euro Interbank
18/11/2008 10:03 EURO
Day 2.80-15
3.75-80 month
3 months 4.15-25
6 months 4.26-36
Year 4.32-42

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# 35, Anonymous

November 18, 2008, at 10:07.

Hello. to see if I resolveis a doubt,
On the web http://www.grupocimd.com, there are two entrances:
Euro Interbank
e
Interbank International

What is the difference between the two "Euro"? What cogeis as a reference?

Thank you

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# 36, benjau

November 18, 2008, at 10:08.

On the subject of today remember what we do in physics that: the more we need the position of a particle least we can predict its speed, and vice versa, the more we need the speed of the particle least we know his position. I think he was saying uncertainty principle. Este principio para algunos es la prueba de que Dios no es todopoderoso, para otros de que es imposible conocer el futuro a priori porque nunca podrás controlar todas las variables (incluso para Dios, no digamos para los economistas). Un saludo

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# 37 , Anónimo

18 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:09.

# 26 , Marya

“Ya no hablamos de especuladores, sino de gente de nivel medio-bajo que no se ha privado de nada ni ha pensando en lo que podria pasar.”

El problema de esta crisis marya, por lo menos desde mi punto de vista, es que no afecta realmente a las familias de nivel medio-bajo, sino que mas bien afecta a un secto mas importante que es la clase media o medio-alta, es en este sectordonde se encuentra el mayor porcentaje de consumo en los hogares, y realmente son los que han llegado a una situacion mas precaria. Si se corta el grifo del crédito a estas personas chungo…

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# 38 , koba

18 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:10.

Estoy harto del temita “tenemos lo que nos merecemos” y “la gente ha vivido por encima de sus posibilidades”. Recuerdo a todo el mundo que si no hubiera sido por unos activos financieros intoxicados vendidos impunemente por los grandes bancos americanos con la connivencia de las autoridades y otros sectores esta maldita crisis todavía no hubiera estallado y seguiríamos comprando casas como en el 2005, cuando también los pisos estaban sobrevalorados y había millones vacíos. A muchos aprendices de brujo les hubiera gustado que el sistama ladrillil se hubiera colapsado por sí mismo, pero no, han tenido que venir una crisis financiera internacional para acabar con el sistema español. No estoy diciendo que fuera bueno, pero desde luego los futurólogos del desastre no vieron venir el origen del problema, igual que ahora se esfuerzan en recordarnos lo malos que somos sin intuir minimamente la salida al mismo.

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# 39 , rafa

18 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:10.

# 10 , SA TRINXA

a principios de noviembre el diferencial era mas bajo de 1,072, creo que no has comprobado bien los datos.

y los próximos días será menor a 1 100% seguro.

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# 40 , Anónimo

18 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:11.

# 24 , Droblo
A principios de este año tuve que sacar dinero de debajo de las piedras porque (misteriosamente) mis ventas subieron más de lo que tenía por costubre y me fué imposible conseguir un aumento en las líneas de descuento. Me fuí a abrir otra en otras entidades con que trabajo y en dos meses no conseguí NADA de NADA.
Ahora al vencimiento de esas líneas me las renuevan (sin que lo haya pedido) al doble de lo que las tenía concedidas y las otras entidades llevan un o dos meses preguntandome si todavía estoy interesado en abrir líneas ¿?.
No es nada para echar cohetes pero parece que poco a poco van volviendo a hacer su trabajo

Claro que yo no tengo nada que ver con la construcción….

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# 41 , Flipper

18 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:14.

3, 9, 24

Yo más bien noto un poco lo de todos los años: a estas alturas del año las sucursales tienen que cumplir los objetivos del año, y por ello sí que parece que se publicitan más hipotecas y que se reblandecen un poco las condiciones… pero vamos, cuestión de objetivos de fin de año creo yo, al final esté cayendo la que esté cayendo, hay que seguir viviendo, y si se puede, cobrar el variable y los incentivos por objetivos cumplidos.

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# 42 , sesenta_y_cuatro

18 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:15.

Sigo con interés el blog. A veces me gustan los artículos, otras, no tanto. Pero siempre considero útil lo que se dice.

Lo que no puedo tragar, sin embargo, es la introducción que se ha hecho en el artículo de hoy acerca de Bohr.

Niels Bohr ha sido una pieza fundamental de la ciencia de principios de siglo XX. En el momento en que toda la física tuvo que repensarse a sí misma y tantos científicos cayeron en la incredulidad, él levantó el estandarte de la física y lo llevó hacia adelante. Que hoy en día “la interpretación de Copenhague” siga siendo la mejor forma de entender la física cuántica es un pequeño tributo diario a este danés. Él fue el que unió a Einstein ya Planck. Explicó el átomo de hidrógeno. Él fue el que defendió las nuevas teorías ante los ataques de Einstein, él llevó la física cuántica adelante cuando el mayor físico del siglo XX puso toda su fuerza en contra.

Niels Bohr es mucho más que un científico al cuál se le concedió el honor de tener un elemento con su nombre. Puestos a decir curiosidades sobre su vida, por qué no decimos que le encantaban los westerns? Por qué no decimos que su mente era tan lenta que era incapaz de entender ninguna película a la primera? Por qué no decimos que a pesar de su lentitud, su mente era metódica, rigurosa y brillante?
Son todas anécdotas mucho más interesantes.

Por lo demás, sólo repetir que me gusta el blog.

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# 43 , Soy pobre

18 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:16.

# 36 , benjau
Y Dios dijo:
“Hagase la estadistica”, y la estadistica dijo por donde van los tiros,

Lo malo de las medias y lan tendencias son que no te dan los margenes de dispersión, es decir por donde se espera, (tendencia), pero no si será mas arriba o mas abajo.

Un saludo

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# 44 , Josean

18 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:18.

Esta CRISIS es mayor de lo que decimos y menor de lo que pensamos

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# 45 , Janario

18 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:18.

Tienes razón, ahora lo fácil es hablar de la crisis, pero habría que pedir cuentas a los profesionales de la política, que esos sí que tendrían que prever el futuro, que para eso cobran, especialmente a los optimistas patológicos que hasta hace bien poco negaban que hubiera una crisis (o que fuera a haberla).

Dibujando la Crisis

Saludos

Janario.

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# 46 , La paradoja del abuelo

18 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:19.

Muy buenas,

Sobre el tema de debate propuesto para hoy, efectivamente es muy difícil predecir y más si hay el factor humano por el medio.

Recuerdo a un profesor de estadística que para explicar el porqué casi siempre no acertaban las encuestas sobre intención de voto, argumentaba que la estadística es muy fiable para saber cuántos tornillos o bombillas van a salir defectuosos pero no cuando el objeto de estudio es una cosa sino una persona, primero no sabes si esa persona miente o oculta su verdadero voto, no sabes si el día de las elecciones va hacer buen tiempo y se va ir a la playa en vez de ir a votar, no sabes si se va levantar con el otro pie y va cambiar totalmente de voto, no sabes si va a haber un acontecimiento reciente que va a cambiar su voto o el ir a votar, …

Por otro lado también hay muchos analistas, economistas o simplemente enteradillos que hacen ejercicios teóricos par demostrar un escenario futuro. Como ejercicio teórico está bien pero de ahí a que se cumplan todas las hipótesis o supuestos y no aparezcan otros de sentido contrario es otra cosa. Como muestra os adjunto una predicción sobre una deflación prolongada, muy currada, argumentada y aplaudida, otra cosa es cuantificar la probabilidad de ocurrencia de ese escenario, simplemente posible pero ¿es realmente poco, bastante o muy probable? La deflación es un escenario a tener en cuenta pero no creo que nadie pueda, de momento, asegurarlo.

http://www.nuevosvecinos.com/general/2247439_deflacion.html

Saludos,

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# 47 , parkingp

18 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:19.

# 23 , Situación delicada

Se que lo que voy a comentar a ti no te gustará oirlo y que es posible que me “crujan” a negativos pero ¿has pensado cual es la situaci´´on de tu expareja? Yo conozco casos parecidos y están a punto del suicidio. Si para todos nosotros pagar la hipoteca de la casa en que vivimos se nos hace cuesta arriba imaginad pagar esa misma hipoteca y no poder vivir en ella !! Un amigo mío está en esa situación. Tiene un sueldo muy bueno (2400 euros al mes) porque es una persona con grandes estudios y experiencia. Pagaba juntamente con su pareja una hipoteca de 1600 euros mensuales que les permitía, conjuntamente con el sueldo de ella (también bastante bueno) vivir desahogados´con su hijo de 2 años. Ahora se han separado. Paga 800 euros de la hipoteca de una casa en la que no vive y en la que no podrá vivir al menos en los próximos 16 años y pago una pensión alimenticia del hijo de 500 euros. En resumen, le quedan 1100 euros para vivir y no tiene casa. Dado que vive en Madrid no puede ni pagar un alquiler ni , por supuesto, comprar un piso. Tras un tiempo compartiendo piso en un piso de estudiantes en el que pagaba 400 euros por una habitación (le quedaban 700 euros para vivir teniendo en cuenta que gasta más de 200 euros al mes en transporte necesario para trabajar) ha tenido que volver, a sus 41 años, a casa de sus padres. Podría explicar otro caso parecido y más dramático pero quizás demasiado extremo.
Perdona “situación delicada” porque no se si tu caso es comparable al de mi amigo. Igual no se parece en nada y tu antigua pareja es un “jeta”, pero yo me pongo en el lugar de mi amigo, de la otra persona que conozco y de tu expareja y me pongo a temblar…

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# 48 , Consternado

18 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:19.

Completamente de acuerdo contigo Koba.

Todos los días me desahogo igual, chillando que no somos nosotros los culpables de esto.

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# 49 , vinopeleon

18 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:19.

# 33 , Johnny
Ya sé que has puesto ejemplos extremos, pero…..
A ver si va a ser necesario ser funcionerio para que te concedan una hipoteca…..
Es broma,¿Eh?

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# 50 , barrabas

18 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:20.

Se ha comentado en este foro que los sueldos se han incrementado relativamente poco los últimos años. Entre como ingeniero en mi empresa con un contrato indefinido y 24 mil euros al año en 1998. Ahora cogemos el un ingeniero igual como becario durante 6 meses y después 21 mil y va que chuta. Donde esta el crecimiento de los últimos 10 años, ¡voila¡ “no ha existido” simplemente la entrada de productos asiáticos de bajo coste y el crédito han creado un universo ficticio.

Ahora comenzamos a ver las cosas tal como son y joder que chungo es el mundo fuera de “MATRIX” y Nos damos cuenta que “coño” las cosas son muy caras, “coño” que los prestamos se nos comen, “coño” que el cole privado de la niña, “coño” que mantener 2 millones de parados, 8 de jubilados, 3 de funcionarios, etc. “coño” que la gasolina se va acabar, que no crecen barriles en los árboles. “Coño” que el tipo de interés variable varia en ambas direcciones y no solo de bajada. “coño” todo era un montaje especulativo sin base real.

Y culpamos al gobierno de no habernos dado antes la píldora azul o de los bancos que han dejado de suminístranos mas rojas.

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