Always negative, never positive

This archiconocida sentence of ex-Barcelona coach Louis van Gaal, aimed at sports journalists, insisting on highlighting the negative aspects of the game of FC Barcelona during a stage of crisis in the game "pass" or painted it comes to the national situation. Zapatero to imagine, screaming at the congress to Rajoy "ALWAYS NO, NEVER POSITIVE! YOU ARE VERY BAD!

In this country, things are going from one extreme to another, a time when everything was going "wind in its sails," which said that the model was not sustainable, they were branded as doom, and the press was selling the strength of the Spanish market, of large corporations such as leaving abroad to buy, as was the miracle Spanish reconquered the world, and now that everything is black, everything is negative and quoting another Barcelona (Joan Laporta) "EYE, NOT WE THE DEN THAT WE ARE NOT SO BAD!

I believe that the current global crisis is bringing many negative effects, but we should also look for the positive. The optimistic view is something that should never be lost. In business schools, to illustrate this idea, explains that an ancient culture like China, the concepts are spoken by the same word.

Here is a brief list of opportunities that gives us the crisis.

  1. Many of those who are going poorly, finances are learning in a rush, and I doubt very much the recurrence of financial mass suicides like that have occurred in recent years and if memory flojea not allow their kids committed.
  2. The sharp decline in consumption, lowers inflation, and hence the rates and the Euribor relax, lowering the mortgage fees.
    I hope that learning point 1 plus the lowering of quotas next year of Section 2, allowing for better financial health for Spanish families over the next few years.
  3. The strike will obviously be a problem for many people, but the time of arrest, is an ideal time for training. If you suddenly had 4 million Spaniards learning something, the Spanish would improve human capital. We see it as an opportunity to leave a bit of low value-added industry we have in Spain, so that when the economic recovery, we stop being at the tail of the added value and productivity in Europe.
  4. Speculative markets appear to be in decline by low confidence, both as a bag house, there is a major slap. With a little luck, we learn that it is not normal for someone to win with the sale of an apartment that has not been able to win in his entire life working, leaving indebted for life to a third party.
  5. Are coming to light and exploiting many bubbles that neither knew they existed, such as restaurants, furniture, vehicles and household appliances. You just need to see what a laptop is worth today. Did not you feel cheated when they get catalogs filled with offers to the mailbox and see what they are worth and what it worth?
  6. Reactivation of the market for repairs of all kinds, in turn reducing the volume of waste discharges. How many appliances have been thrown in the trash to be in perfect order of use?
  7. Rationalization of consumption, which will cause a reduction in the buying momentum that we had to buy things or useless without comparing prices, producing an effect of "natural selection" in which only surviving companies more efficient.
  8. Reduced margins in the brokerage that has hurt both the company and that has enriched a few. For example, following the shocking margins that brokers were taking food, I started to go to the market to buy fruit and vegetables and I discovered a couple of things, that the price is lower and the flavor of tomatoes.
  9. falling topics as "the house never low," "the Euribor can never climb above ...", "prolonged periods to be better off" and at international level has sunk into poverty lapidary phrase in force until the moment of "to big to fail "(too big for fall).
  10. Those who bought housing to live (which seems to lie that there would be this way) they will lower the fees and those who bought for speculation they have been fucked up the plum. In general, the loss of profitability above average, away from the market undesirable.
  11. For those who prefer to hire, rising supply, it could at least keep prices stable few years.
  12. The society is an intelligent when it is in distress, very good ideas emerge spontaneously, as the Bank of Time.

The Bank of Time is a community that uses as a bargaining chip "when" and personal skills. I offer my services without any monetary payment (usually) and by completing Coupons about who gets my services, can be accumulated "time". Subsequently, I can go to the headquarters of the bank's time and redeem the services provided by others. One of the pioneers in developing experiments on the bank of the time was the American anarchist Josiah Warren.

In an interview that was broadcast on television Catalan, left several examples. A young single computer that gave classes in the evenings from Windows and Office users at a number of housewives, and then, with the "time" that he had won, passing by the house of a woman who gave him a dinner Tupper and the food the next day. This lady was offered for ironing and cooking for others, and in exchange, earned the "weather" of a plumber, a lampista, a massage or simply a company for people you do or buy to accompany.

Time is not susceptible to currency speculation, resists inflation, is very stable, with no financial institution will charge you interest and for which the Treasury can not you apply any tax. More importantly, it revitalizes the life of the community.

Obviously, this system can not replace the current monetary system, money and banks are absolutely necessary, but when we find alternatives, however small, stop being so dependent on the system and broken (or is slightly) the monopoly.

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# 1, Ertitoagus

November 17, 2008, at 9:22.

"Time is not susceptible to currency speculation" ... ..

Do not put to the test, which if anything has shown is that mankind is able to speculate on anything.

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# 2, nuria

November 17, 2008, at 9:31.

I want to comment on intelligence that we have another alternative here in Sweden. It's a bank that does not interest you have saved, but neither asked interests when asking for credit. More than one bank is a type of cooperative of people who are left with the money but guarantees a bank. It is based on the ideas of a thriving economy without inflation i division of the money more balanced. If someone wants to know more in http://www.jak.se there is information in different languages. A very good book on these ideas is to Margrit Kennedy, "Interests and inflation free money", one can find the pdf for free on its website.

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# 3, Anonymous

November 17, 2008, at 9:37.

thanks but no means no pope

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# 4 Appalled

November 17, 2008, at 9:38.

As the comment of the week you may like or upset, you can look easy, demagogue or a marvel, but .... AS said Truths fists, therefore, and seeing that it was an ultra voted for comment, deserves to be highlighted.
It is very easy to say, "is that not send your complaints to the ministry," who has not sent any time and nisiquiera replied a thank you for your cooperation?, Have managed to get bored and numb to the people, and that's the current situation , Which market a good line comment is prominent in most of ICG.

It is very easy to say, "How many have you done your strikes?, Because look, we live in a society with a job so remarkable that I'm afraid to go on strike in my work for fear of being fired (well pardon nisiquiera dismissed, because my trash fixed contract workers (name very bold indeed, but it means)).

Is that in the era of my parents had permanent jobs in private enterprises YES!! for he has been forgotten ... and !!!!, where unions are ????? CHUPA THE BOAT, a boat in which they do not give me to suck me.

You can seem opportunistic, easy to complain, looking for positive feedback, but NO, is the reality, and I do not hear that that is true is that you are spoiling the TV and you buy another new plasma rather than fix it, "NO forgiveness, large companies learn about how this business a few years ago, and you shall know very well that the appliances, Stan made for a lifetime, whether or not they were going to make money doing tels?, with the low demographic that exists, at some point the sales go down and down and the business would not fit into anything, better make tv with useful lives of 5 years, and when you will fix it, you say 'listen, settle worth 650 € and does not assure him soon can last, and can buy new for 599 €, that you prefer? ".

In this era of my parents, business people had to fix appliances that worked very well, those do not exist today, because they never agreed to the majors own signatures.

ALREADY WELL PLEASE ECHARNOS DE LA CULPA of all evil ESPAÑOLITOS TO WORKERS AND THE WALK, NOT! WHAT I DO NOT HAVE THE BLAME FOR THE FINANCIAL MARKET AS Control 4 Enterao WITH MY SAVINGS. AND ME IF YOU BUY A LCD, can afford WHY IS THE WORK I HAVE DONE, WITH RESPECT sweat of MI, WITH MY WAGES, WITH MY FEES (HONOR), accused my ME NOT FOR NOTHING !!!!!

SIGO SEEKING NO Cordura among citizens to take us THE HAIR AND DO NOT BLAME!!

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# 5, Nónimo

November 17, 2008, at 9:46.

Are we approaching the 11?

17/11/08 09:27 1 m. 3 m. 12 m.
EURO 3.70 4.18 4.31

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# 6, Col.

November 17, 2008, at 9:46.

Oriol, says in Section 3:

"The strike will obviously be a problem for many people, but the time of arrest, is an ideal time for training. If you suddenly had 4 million Spaniards learning something, the Spanish would improve human capital. We see it as an opportunity to leave a bit of low value-added industry we have in Spain, so that when the economic recovery, we stop being at the tail of the added value and productivity of Europe ".

It seems to me well, but in many areas, the training is not exactly cheap. Perhaps a pawn of the building can find a course of the INEM to be foreman and not have to disburse money. But, at some levels, a good course that really worth something, it is difficult to find, no longer free, but at a good price.

For the rest plate.

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# 7, Juana la loca

November 17, 2008, at 9:47.

What time of the bank is an alternative and other types of fuels as well, but if we do not take it enserio and we still hooked on consumerism and the wheel will not therefore globalizing of there.

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# 8, Silver

November 17, 2008, at 9:48.

# 7, Nónimo

As always .... That lasts more expensive, please!

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# 9, josep

November 17, 2008, at 9:49.

I absolutely agree that many are learning economy in a rush.
I am a multi-million dollar reverse two-story and two mortgages not for pleasure but because I could not sell the first to buy the second, now I got hired and could say that I have two jobs, and the original mine adopted that is the administrator of estates.

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# 10, and that's all friends

November 17, 2008, at 9:51.

Short and hit a message that I put on Sunday, I made allusion to the grace of anarchism Clopez ¿return to the barricades).

... ... ... ... ..
Well, as today is Sunday and still is not just the world, a little reflection.
Are we agreed that the most extremist communism and fascism (or ultraderechismo) coincide in many patterns?

Basically the ends touch.

Well if you believe validates this premise, let's see what happens with liberalism, neo-liberalism, economic.

The main premise is the free market and regulation by itself, that is, without regulation or control of the states and / or governments. UUUMMMMMMMMMMHHHHHHHHHH This phrase sounds like me, where I have heard before?

Reviews Anda, if very much like the anarchist, death to the state, outside the government, is again playing the extremes? because it seems so.

Let's see:

- It asks that states do not intervene in the market, NO INTERVENTION.

Therefore CAN I GO TO A BANK WITH A GUN AND ROBARLO? I remember that it is the state with laws and the means to compel the fulfillment of, or decide who is not a crime.

It is the state that says the laws, according to the rule of the majority society of the time (better or worse, I will not go into details). If it calls for peaceful leave the state to do business, which impose their own rules prevent me from what I put mine?

What is the difference between the loss of 30% of a pension plan, a worker for the poor performance of "selling mortgages" I go to the bank with a gun and take the money to me to win?

What is not right to steal, which is a crime? Because we KNOW the saying "a thief ROBA YOU HAVE 100 YEARS OF FORGIVENESS"

AND BANKS ARE THE LARGEST Thief HISTORY

The law of the strongest prevailing Bankers AND REMEMBER "THE FIRE PURIFIER"

and the last to turn off the light

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# 11, Anonymous

November 17, 2008, at 9:52.

Today recession in Japan,
that brown,
World's End is near
Nostradamus was wrong
was not a black pope
obama was president,
Ah feel, everything goes wrong
the bubble will burst
and we will write shit. (jump jet poetry, forgive me)

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# 12, Anonymous

November 17, 2008, at 9:55.

17/11/08 09:37 1 m. 3 m. 12 m.
USA 1.73 3.18 2.85
EURO 3.75 4.13 4.26

in an hour subiraaaaaaa

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# 13, amateur

November 17, 2008, at 9:57.

# 8, Col.

The quality training you not only the PROVIDE MBAs from prestigious schools that charge you a dough. You can also expand your training at a public university, studying an opposition, go to school official languages ...

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# 14, Carlos Lopez

November 17, 2008, at 10:08.

By the way, has not left the subject ....

The group has presented real estate Tremona contest voluntary creditors (old suspension of payments), unable to cope with a debt of close to 900 million euros, making it the second largest promoter in declared insolvent after Martins-Fadesa.

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# 15, Anuska

November 17, 2008, at 10:11.

Appalled # 6

I suppose that people talk about workers who have been living beyond its means in these times. Do not talk about people who watch what you spend, or goes on vacation for contingencies that may have, or are buying things you do not need ... Nor would make sense.

I believe that the blame for everything that is happening all have (and I myself included). Many things you say you do not take off because (as in the workplace), but we must also think that there are people who are "the sought" and is now in difficult situations may have been drawn to have thought a bit. Some time ago I counted several instances of people who lived above what they could and worst of all is that in the era in which we are still hearing cases of that style and some are close to my family.
Example: A marriage that just having a child (the woman stops working to care for the baby because doing so would spend more on their care (guarderías..)) With effort choose to live with what you are that the husband earns less than 1000 euros a month (or even save a little each month for contingencies).
The mother cares for her husband's grandmother in a house which is owned by you and thanks to a pension that is already Granny aid that gives the state admitted about 1200 euros a month (for the costs of board and lodging). It turns out that Grandma gets sick and the mother of the boy is now desperate because they do not save anything (as spending on all services, travel, etc.). And if it dies grandmother has no money to live. Solution of women: ask for money to the son. That helps pay the contribution of the house and about 1,500 minimum in order to live the next two months, where the grandmother dies.
You see fair? Not me. It will be her mother, but not to make the case that saved the child and stop spending on things that did not need, they have to be an economic problem in 3 people who have fought for a year. Blame the state, government or blame women for not being proactive and save an amount (being able to do this) so it could move on.

It is very easy to throw the ball away, but we must also admit that everyone makes mistakes and that sometimes can do that we have economic problems.
A greeting

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# 16, Anonymous

November 17, 2008, at 10:14.

Ibex will be indigestible to the proposals of the G-20 + the MMR sarkosylla

http://www.expansion.com/2008/11/17/inversion/1226910068.html

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# 17, shocked

November 17, 2008, at 10:14.

Dear Carlos Lopez, at this than I used to be called suspension of payments, and is now called Contest voluntary creditors, rather call it:

NOW I CAN NOT WIN AND MANY MANY MILLION AND BEFORE YOU WIN SOME, THE TACO IOL.

That country!

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# 18, Kane

November 17, 2008, at 10:15.

# 14, Carlos Lopez

The funny thing is that this is hardly news to affect the IBEX. The same goes 2 months ago and have a drop of 5%.

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# 19, Solbes ruin zp unions

November 17, 2008, at 10:16.

ole, ole ole and

Arrested in France 'Txeroki', the head of the military apparatus of ETA
Agents of the French police and Civil Guard officers have arrested this morning in southern France to Mikel Garikoitz Aspiazu Rubina, alias "Txeroki", considered the alleged leader of the military apparatus of ETA, sources reported on the fight against terrorism.

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# 20, K. Marx clone

November 17, 2008, at 10:18.

Congratulations, I liked your analysis.

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# 21, ayquegustitopamisorejas

November 17, 2008, at 10:19.

joe, clopez, with the comment today, let me as a baby who is hungry and you put the suck, it ceases to mourn a while, but something is a good thing.

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# 22, yomismo33

November 17, 2008, at 10:20.

Good morning!.

Perdonadme unless I wear with the theme of the crisis, is now almost everything said and he who does not want to see the reality is that he likes pastillitas blue.

In the end, the real crisis is that of being in-human, missing since the days of Genesis.

' ""
The brutal murder of a baby who suffered abuse for months to shake the British company
Authorities and social services could not avoid the constant beatings to which Baby P was subjected by her mother, her boyfriend and a friend | Your sister, potential victim "" "

Source-> adn.es

I think the negative overtakes the positive.
While we do not fix on the inside, can do little beyond the epidermis. And the crisis will not be speculative stories rather than daily.

A greeting.

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# 23, Yomesmo

November 17, 2008, at 10:22.

Very good daily commentary.

Porrita Daily: 4.295

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# 24, shocked

November 17, 2008, at 10:23.

Anuska dear,

As might think that the mother could not save, because the pension that is available is insufficient for a welfare state moderately acceptable, that it be spent on vices?, look after a lifetime of pain, employment, pain, sacrifice, etc ..., the employee uses their money in what it considers appropriate, of course there cases where a win Panfilo 1000 € and pay for a bmw 850 € / month, but in such cases (although there) there are very few (we honest). Tambiebn might think it is very unfair that women of this guy has had to stop work for the accounts leaving him to care for her son. THIS IS AN ERROR OF THE SYSTEM, not a citizen, it might help if the maternity was decent, maybe if the guy's salary was not indecent (1000 €), maybe if the pension of the mother was decent .... dammit, is that in the end we always blame the workers, not if the fault lies at the end of the grandmother falling ill, do not tell you!

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# 25, Solbes ruin zp unions

November 17, 2008, at 10:23.

baton for today:

4.303

Little by little, empujeeeeeeeeeeeen, empujeeeeeeeeeeen

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# 26, Carlos Lopez

November 17, 2008, at 10:24.

Incidentally, I remind you that the articles of the type Oriol Monday.
Basically, I have no work in the blog since Wednesday last week (Thursday and Friday Droblo, Sunday commentary of the week and today Oriol). So it is good ...

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# 27, JAC

November 17, 2008, at 10:24.

17/11/2008 10:18 EURO
Day 2.80-15
3.90-90 month
3 months 4.20-30
6 months 4.32-32
Year 4.29-39

Will it be a premonitory 4.290% at 11 am?

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# 28, Enculator

November 17, 2008, at 10:25.

Good that comes out on the Euribor because I do not have "time" to wait for the bajadita sesual today ...

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# 29, Kela

November 17, 2008, at 10:27.

I said to the club!

4.298

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# 30, Solbes ruin zp unions

November 17, 2008, at 10:28.

Ibex 35 8757.40 -0.85%

122.95 yen
The dollar 1.2674
0.8500 a pound

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# 31, Mickey Mouse

November 17, 2008, at 10:28.

Ahoar in training are a few million mortgaged, with a master of the Euribor. Not sure that catches them in another. And that is positive.

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# 32, Anonymous

November 17, 2008, at 10:33.

4.29x nothing:

17/11/08 10:17 1 m. 3 m. 12 m.
USA 1.73 3.18 3.85
EURO 3.70 4.14 4.29

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# 33, One More

November 17, 2008, at 10:35.

A few days ago was referred to the negotiation of the mortgage under the table. Today, the genial Forges makes this cartoon in El Pais.

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# 34, AND THAT IS ALL FRIENDS

November 17, 2008, at 10:35.

I copy and paste an article of Fotocasa, this dedicated .... AL unique and incomparable ENCULATOR:

Real estate auctions reach almost all the Autonomous Communities
Drafting fotocasa.es, 13/11/2008, 10:47 h

Real estate auctions over the Internet were in vogue. In fotocasa.es we did a tour of the network to find out the best options in this type of transaction and the results have been astounding ... True bargains in some cases offer discounts of up to 40% above the starting price.

The possibility of buying through auction is present in almost all autonomous regions, although the organization of the bids is in the hands of four companies that currently auctioned a total of 1,406 buildings.

The first is the real estate consultancy Atisreal, one of the signatures are enshrined as far as auctions are concerned. In his historical account with more than 100 auctions held and following the market trend, has also opened a space on the Internet for these transactions. It currently has open two auctions: one with properties throughout Spain and other special Catalunya.

The first offers up to 205 buildings of all types (houses, garages, warehouses, etc ... rustic.) Into 10 autonomous communities and is open until Dec. 4.

The second bid reaches a total of 64 buildings owned by Metrovacesa and will be open until Nov. 18. Output prices offered discounts of up to 40% are located in the provinces of Catalonia Barcelona, Girona and Lleida.

Caja Madrid has also pointed to the fashion of Internet auctions. Through the company's auction Reser, has launched two bids which offer a total of 366 buildings divided into 14 autonomous communities.

One of the auctions is integrated into the exclusive properties owned by Caja Madrid, while the second is made up houses owned by different financial institutions and property developers. In both cases, is offering discounts of up to 40% on the price and output is expected that the closures take place between 17 and Nov. 21, at different times, to facilitate the participation of stakeholders.

The third option is to be found in CB Richard Ellis has a specific site for the auction of real estate. The purpose of creating this space is to "establish a new channel for purchasing real estate." An initiative that aims to lead the market and through which buyers and sellers access to real estate with an average discount of around 20% compared to current prices.

In so far this year, CB Richard Ellis has conducted four auctions and the fifth has just started and meets an offer of 151 properties located in 16 provinces.

Special mention should Tulipp Salons & Auctions, the only specialized in bids to the bottom. The offer is currently active for a total of 68 properties located in 20 provinces.

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# 35, Maryju

November 17, 2008, at 10:36.

I enjoyed the article today, finally a positive vision of the current situation. I think it was necessary after so much negative news and so much pessimism ...

I do not remember where he recently heard "the smart learn from their mistakes, the wise learn from the mistakes of others." I hope that this sociedd, where it has been shown that any scientist who has another Haym more intelligent than stupid and learn from the mistake. Although it is very hard to learn to base header ...

A greeting

Maryju

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# 36, Kela

November 17, 2008, at 10:37.

# 32 Anonimo

Of 4.29 x nothing, why?
I'm starting these things in the Euribor and finance and .... I Euribor in real time ... I see 4,29-39. because they can no longer be such a value?
Thanks for your patience

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# 37, One More

November 17, 2008, at 10:37.

Sorry, I get no link.

http://www.elpais.com/vineta/?d_date=20081117&autor=Forges&anchor=elpporopivin&xref=20081117elpepivin_1&type=Tes&k=Forges

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# 38, Anuska

November 17, 2008, at 10:41.

Appalled # 24

Did not make many sacrifices .. (it would be an issue to be addressed separately), because he went to another country and never take care of your child (or send them money here to help in their care). State welfare is a very broad concept. Like things that are essential for you, for me they are not. I would do wonders with 6000 euros and would save a lot and yet my aunt I would say is what we enter my house because I did not arrive. It unfair for the woman who cares for the child .. if it is true. I'm in the same case (I am 6 months). I luckily, I privé of many things (and my husband and I are very happy also) in order to be a year if I want to take care of my son.
You're right about one thing the system has errors and have commented in this forum many times:
- Why does an immigrant have priority in gaining access to a kindergarten (nursery school) and a free Spanish have to pay a private after years of being hard working and contributing?
- Why give him a scholarship to a person who has several homes and farms and not for a couple with two children who have only one home?
- Why give aid to people with incomes of more than 2,000 euros to work in black and people who really need it does not receive anything?.
... Yes, it is unfair. But as my grandmother said .. nobody was rich remain honest and we have no-fault system, are the ones who are around us that sometimes even knowingly do nothing to prevent it.

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# 39 , PEPE

17 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:47.

mi situacion es la siguiente:
la hipoteca para mi no es un problema la puedo pagar sin problemas,pero tengo variòs prestamos personales que m,e ahogan y me falta liquidez para llegar a fin de mes,

la pregunta es:

¿puiedo hablar con el banco para decirle que me hagan una carencia de un año para pagar solo intereses por falta de liquidez mensual?

no creo que se un cosa imposible,alguien me puede ayudar=?=

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# 40 , # 39 , Anónimo (corregido)

17 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:49.

Acepo los negativos pero me tengo que desahogar!!!!!

# 15 , Anuska (y vari@s forer@s más)
Que pais de cotillas y envidiosos!!!!
Dejar de criticar a la gente y miraros un poquito al ombligo más.

Si se ve en el foro vuestro mensaje parece guay: Qué responsable es Anuska y la familia esa es que se merecen lo peor!!! Pero yo me imagino a Anuska en una cena de Navidad despellejando a toda la familia: “Pues me he enterado que la Paqui cobró una indemnización y se lo gastó en el bingo. Y el tío Manolo malvendió sus tierras para pagarse un viaje a Cuba!!!!”

Supongo que, de todas maneras, los casos serán inventados, pero si no, dejad de husmear en la vida de la gente, que parecéis porteras!!!!! (Pido perdón las porteras, es sólo una expresión)
Si toda esa crítica al resto de la humanidad os la aplicarais a vosotros (a nosotros perdón, yo incluido) no estaríamos en este foro llorando por nuestros males

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# 41 , Consternado

17 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:49.

Completamente de acuerdo Anuska.

Como tu bien dices no se puede generalizar, es por ello, que me moleste el que se generalice y se diga que tenemos lo que nos merecemos por haber gastado mas de la cuenta. Hay de todo como en botica.

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# 42 , Yomesmo

17 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:50.

No tiene mala pinta, no ??

17/11/08 10:37 1 m. 3 m. 12 m.
EEUU 1.73 2.50 3.20
EURO 3.66 4.19 4.21

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# 43 , Atila, rey de los anos

17 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:51.

#40 PEPE,

y puedes garantizarte a tí mismo que el año que viene tendrás una mejor situación económica para afrontar los pagos?

Porque es como pedir que dejen de darte ostias para sólo pellizcarte el culo…. pero las ostias te las darán el año que viene.

Veo dolor, mucho dolor…

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# 44 , Nónimo

17 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:51.

Yo nome lo creo, pero ojalá sea este:

17/11/08 10:37 1 m. 3 m. 12 m.
EURO 3.66 4.19 4.21

Mi porra: 4,250

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# 45 , ECO eeecoooo

17 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:52.

Hay que mirar el lado positivo a esta crisis mundial. Sí, sí, el lado positivo y es que sin quererlo vamos a arreglar el problema del cambio climático, pues si sube el petroleo menos cogemos el coche por lo tanto menos CO2. Si las empresas y fábricas cierras menos CO2 emiten y asi un sin fin de cosas. Eso sí, tener por seguro que ese tanto se lo apuntaran como siempre los políticos con su ‘BUEN HACER’, como la crisis que tenemos ahora pues la culpa no es de ellos sino nuestra y es que somos unos IDIOTAS lanzandonos a consumir y no eligiendo a esa panda de INEPTOS que son los políticos (de un lado y del otro).

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# 46 , magdalena de chocolate de marca blanca

17 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:55.

# 44 , Atila, rey de los anos

el igual no puede garantizar que el año que viene pueda pagarlo pero igual tu palmas y el año uqe viene tampoco puedes estar para reirte de el…o palmo yo….o el vecino…

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# 47 , PEPE

17 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:56.

YA LO SE ATILA LO QUE VENDRA DESPUES,PERO ENTIENDEME QUE TENGO PROBLEMAS DE LIQUIDEZ MENSUAL Y NECESITO HACER ALGO YA,PORQUE PARECE SER QUE LOS BANCOS ESTAN UN PLAN HIJOSDEPUTA Y NO TE LA QUIEREN AMPLIAR.ENTONCES QUE HAGO NO PAGO NADA Y QUE LES DEN POR EL CULO?=?

TENDRAN QUE DAR S0LUCIONES A LA GENTE???

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# 48 , Anónimo

17 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:56.

# 36 , Kela

Kela, ultimamente cuando se acercan las 11.10 sube y por eso ya no puede ser inferior….si me equivoco mejor.

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# 49 , valladolid

17 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:57.

“LO BUENO DE LA CRISIS” entre comillas, por su puesto es que te elimina cantidad de piratas y constructoras de medio pelo (PYMES), de estas que afloraron por el auge del ladrillo, que nunca debieron estar.
Estas Pymes, hablo a nivel local, Valladolid y provincia que daban cheques sin fondos con el auge de la construcción y ahora ni te cuento.
Estos getas, que tenían todo a nombre de la mujer e hijas, y lo único que hacían era cambiar el nombre de la SL casa dos años.
Adios a este tipo de gente, que no vuelva más y que fueron los primeros en repartir papel mojado, mientras las leyes lo permitían.
Spain is diferent, Valladolid too.

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# 50 , Anuska

17 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:57.

#39 Anónimo

La putada es que los casos no son inventados. Yo me miro al ombligo y sé que cometo errores, vivo mi vida y tampoco despellejo en Navidad a la familia. Simplemente me fastidia escuchar comentarios de gente que culpan a los demás, al sistema o que simplemente luego critica a gente que hace todo lo posible por salír adelante.
Y yo en este foro intento aprender algo, no criticar. Si el caso que puse lo consideras una critica, disculpa, igual no me expresé bien, para mi es un ejemplo que evita generalizaciones como “la culpa de todo es del sistema”.

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