The week in the markets (6-13 Nov)

Personal comment.

On Friday the markets seemed to launch a feeling of strength: General Motors touched historic lows and reported that without government help would go into bankruptcy and unemployment in the U.S. grew in two months in more than half a million people and yet the stock market rose. However, if one takes into account that since 1896 he had never lost the Dow Jones in the three days of a presidential election, which the lower SP on Wednesday and Thursday together is the biggest in two days since 1987 and that the rebound technician, was lowered after so much with little volume, and could give an explanation and feared it was an exception to the trend weekly. The large package of measures the Chinese government at the weekend ($ 600 billion is the fifth of GDP, "it will be another and a few cartridges) extended this positive feeling in Asia and Europe on Monday morning With the exception of Ibex. There are over the joys until the afternoon of Thursday in USA.

The bank Santander on Oct. 28, at the mouth of its CEO Alfredo Saez, refused to need more capital. On November 10 announced an expansion. In these few days has been convinced of the impossibility of selling the Bank of Venezuela, the assets in ABN shares, Cepsa, which manages the funds and insurance, at the price demanded. In short, you have bought unsold before and now has been found with a liquidity problem ... (safe somewhere caught in a mortgage-bridge that sounds something) and the expansion is costing him all shareholders in market capitalization million euros. And serve to illustrate what is happening with the economy and that makes this crisis unique: no matter how much lower interest rates, including the Euribor, if that cheaper finance is not paid and if there is interest in using this possible liquidity to invest. Until Santander wants to sell assets and unable to do so raises the liquidity of its shareholders or tries to tap new. Santander can do that but, how many companies can do the same, how much they will get lower financing rates?

I attached two charts USA, with shaded on the cycles of recession, one is the unemployment rate in the U.S. and its forecast to reach 8%

This is another of the ISM manufacturing index:

In Spain the situation is similar, we have known in the past economic data and much worse if we do if the figures do not even bank bad debt is still worrisome (http://www.economistas.tv/la-morosidad-oficial-no- is-so /) As can be seen in other economic cycles figures have been more hopeless, it could be a cyclical crisis and give more reason for the optimists who think they can get out of it in months. But it is necessary to recover the credit market, without that status data will continue to deteriorate and, as we have seen this week, the suspensions of payments that began in financial, went to banks and then to insurance companies, will reach shops and industrial companies.

And that perception is reversing in the economy and stock markets, the beneficial impact of lower interest rates. If we add to this the fact that I commented on the need to sell assets as they lose value to dispose of cash, accounts for the balance of the week. The best quality of the bag-your-liquidity is now one of the biggest obstacles to the upward trend because it is one of the few markets to resort to if you need cash, even at the level of citizens is easier to sell shares even though much is lost to try to sell some other property. As positive aspects of this bad stock market week, two factors: the low volume on downhill (although it can mean that we are still far from the capitulation of course also of the soil) and the finding by the Telecoms sector as a refuge-of-date valid. Now we have to have faith in the famous meeting this weekend but particularly in the aspect stock market got more faith in the possible manipulation of the bullish effect by next Friday 21 to the expiration of some futures (which is the Ibex) and options almost all indices. In fact, statistically the next week is a pretty favorable to the stock exchanges.

Finally, it is very remarkable, despite a rebound from yesterday evening, the lower crude (although the effect of the weakness of € and other causes less understandable its effect on the price of a liter of fuel is less noticeable) of gas natural and generally of all raw materials. This is no longer seen as something positive on the stock exchanges because it's getting a lot of problems in economies where there are a lot of money invested ... the prime example is Russia. You may see manipulative maneuvers to prevent the oil-icon of all raw materials-stop-down and personally I hope to make a speculative-operation in a possible rebound in oil prices and gold.

Some views .-

The opinion of the week .-

On a possible rise in regulating the meeting of the G-20 + ZP ", highlight a comment by JRRallo:

We are told that this crisis will not be repeated if the risks are controlled. In the abstract, this sounds pretty good. The problems begin to arise when a little down to reality. The risk is a concept totally subjective: what for some can be a very risky project (such as creating an Internet browser in 1998), others clearly can be a profitable business and insurance. Similarly, which for some can be a very safe investment (such as purchasing a home in Spain in 2005), for others it could be a brutal error analysis on market conditions.

Therefore, restrict who can assume the risk investors (and banks) is very delicate. Can you imagine that in 1998 the State had prevented Sergey Brin and Larry Page that created Google (or have someone give them money to create it) arguing that this was a project too risky?.

On the other hand, and on the same grounds, claiming to inform savers about the risks they are taking no exact ceases to be an unattainable goal. Exactly who will measure and quantify that risk? Are the banks that are breaking through its successful investments? Do the rating agency in 2005 and 2006 said that most of the assets that were being unpaid maximum security? Do central banks, which not only created the current bubble, but hoped that would never end? Are the governments that joined the bandwagon of a false prosperity and declared themselves united in 2007-and some in 2008 - which had not any serious crisis on the horizon? Is it not obvious that if savers were still more than what they did, the signs of all these agencies, the batacazo today would be even greater?

Data for reflection .-


The data of the week.

For me this week the primary datum has been the confirmation of the falsity of several "totems" of the bag as long that is never lost or values that are "safe". Look at this chart of decades of General Motors to close on Wednesday ($ 3.08):

Summary of day day of the markets.

- Friday
Despite the fall of 3.55% of the Japanese stock market, the balance in Asia was mixed and the recovery from minimum, the rise of future U.S. and a slight rebound of oil and € helped to open up Europe to a flat which happened in minutes to be positive environment to +1%, returned to zero and then slightly negative to positive ... and in that environment narrow range spent the morning with the disappointing results of Ford bypassed and a disastrous U.S. jobs data but in orbit than expected. The revision to the sharp decline in the employment data for September (almost double, leaving even worse than that of October) that it took a minimum stock exchanges but not exceeded by far the -1% and as USA opened upward (and overcome in a few minutes +1%) Europe regained positive and at the time was above +2% at the same USA, as it did also ignore the disastrous results of General Motors urged Europe to close above the 2%. USA after some hesitation, and despite some very negative statements by Greenspan and -9% at the end of GM, had a closing peak at around +3%.

- Monday
Strong increases in Asia (Japan +5.81%), thanks to an ambitious economic plan approved by China (+7.27%) - accompanied by a rebound of crude and € and a fall of the yen that led to Europe to open up about +3 E% +3.5% go towards midday. The increase was substantiated by the sector of basic materials (closely related to China and emerging stock markets), which exceeded the two-digit percentage rise on par with banking sector is not accompanied by the movement. In fact, the Ibex, adversely affected by the increase in capital of Santander, was the least climbed, half that in the other half. The disastrous results of AIG (which however will go up to the value at the announcement of further cash injection of the EDF), Fannie Mae and the bankruptcy of Circuit City were reduced by 1% gains. Although USA opened climbing more than 2% in a few minutes went by diluting the progress being in half in half an hour (GM landed with a 30% after the opinion of Deutsche Bank stating that its value is $ 0 per share) and lost all their profits, like the crude but Europe (except the Ibex) was able to close in positive while the Dax exceeded only +1%. USA in the afternoon came down almost 2%, rebounded somewhat, fell more than 2% in the last minute and a strong recovery ensured that only the Nasdaq closed down more than 1.5%.

- Tuesday
Day by emphasizing the bass player in Asia -3% of the Nikkei and with little change in foreign exchange and commodities. Europe opened down 2%, minimum rebound from that area and return to being the low Ibex the only one that clearly exceeded the 3% again weighed down by banks. The German ZEW was a bad back but better than expected and Vodafone dragged its sector with its rising by good corporate news which could bounce and slightly towards the end of the morning went something so the Ibex is considered the most rare in the indices: across Europe was a minimum-on par with crude oil to break down 60 $ / barrel, surpassing the 3% and then the Ibex stopped falling and even rebounded thanks almost exclusively to TEF. USA-a national holiday but with bag-opened to fall at around 1.5% while Europe did it twice in percentage. USA soon went from -2% and -3% to exceed rushed sales in Europe and closing the Dax € Stoxx with more than 5% drop and the Ibex just over 4% (when was the morning that was worst in Europe) and the much weaker €. General Motors fell minimum of 65 years and the crude touched minimum of 21 months but the U.S. stock market managed to reduce its losses in half by the submission of a plan to help the U.S. mortgage and finally closed at -2%.

- Wednesday
Moderate decreases in the Asian session and rebound shy of the future USA (with the conviction of the adoption of public aid GM) that helped open in Europe buoyant at +1.5% in minutes that were reduced to below 1% and within two hours and were mild losses in banks and energy (crude oil fell to $ 58) and pushing the bad influence of the collapse of the Russian ruble. Stabilized in an area between losses and gains slight and the statements of the Bank of England announcing further decreases in rates again to push the bags at +1%. Not long argued for lowering the estimate for the retailer BestBuy USA and the suspension of the Russian stock market fell to 12.5%, and an hour before the opening American in Europe was overcoming the negative -1%. USA opened down 1.5%, similar to what Europe in a half down at that time. Before the hour and was down more than 2% and closed-European FTSE except that the lost half-half was at -3%, which at that time fell USA. The reasons may be on the Treasury's decision to be more stringent with banks in risk assessment of new credit operations and the distribution of dividends and payments to executives as well as the announcement not to buy asset-backed mortgages, but earmark Consumer borrowing money, as well as to assist other non-banking sectors (read: GM, Ford etc.). With the sector of basic materials (in fact arrived in Brazil dropped nearly 8%) very touched by a $ 56 crude, banks falling before the announcement of Treasury does not buy its assets "toxic" (Citigroup fell minimum of 13 years ) And Google in minimum of 3 years, surpass the USA and -4% at the close both the SP500 and the Nasdaq reached -5%.

- Thursday
After closing lower in 5 years of Nasdaq, the Nikkei, which usually follow him faithfully, fell more than 5%, significantly harmed by further lowering of forecasts for Intel. However, Europe opened down less than 1% (except for the FTSE, which has doubled the losses after several days being the strongest) and in minutes had a slight positive movement in a correction from the oversold. This movement is amplified by overcoming the +1% but there was not too long and mid-morning was returned to the uncertainty in the indices at midday and downs in excess of 1%. These are minimum bounced back to mild positive, after a very bad data in weekly unemployment slight negative and when he opened USA (at +0.50%) was rising 1% to move seems to consider the ill-data as a confirmation more decreases in rates. Europe endured in positive even when the USA went to ground and closed negative on average in +1% except for the FTSE it did in the negative. The narrow range in Europe is not infected U.S. pressure that led to bearish: the Nasdaq fell more than 4% a minimum of 5 ½ years, followed him from -3.5% in the Dow and SP500 (the latter also marking minimum levels 11 years ago and a half) ... And in less than an hour on the SP500 returned to positive in a sharp rebound with little volume and that he accompanied a crude and a € upwards and within two hours, the 3 indexes approached to +3% , Fell within minutes to half the profits and returned to pick up momentum in the last hour of meeting with a spectacular closing short (especially in the financial sector) to mark the highest closing above the +6.5% over 10 % Between minimum and maximum in a day with nothing remarkable to justify something like that.

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# 1, Carlos Lopez

November 14, 2008, at 9:29.

And the news of the day:

The Spanish economy falls into the third quarter for the first time in 15 years (-0.2%) and slashing the recession

The Spanish economy contracted by 0.2% in the third quarter of the year, compared to growth of 0.1% experienced in the previous quarter, the first time in 15 years when the quarterly GDP registered a negative growth, according to the progress of the Quarterly National Accounts released today by the National Statistics Institute (INE).

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# 2, All batons

November 14, 2008, at 9:30.

Baton for today Euribor 12M - 4.318
Good weekend

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# 3, ICG

November 14, 2008, at 9:32.

Well, well ... it is Friday!

We are pleased to reach safe and sound ... one more week.

I say that if these ladronzuelos and high areas do not realize what's really happening ... then I will explain it! Mss. and Messrs. of being up there leading the herd (in which I too am) ... pay attention to what I'm going to say:

The central and basic cause for the slowdown is occurring (wink to Solbes and ZP), crisis, recession, estanflacción, depression ... or as we like to call it, is a simple and easy reason is that ... and ... have gone from Thread! Have skipped the last round of the nut ... at the time of squeezed and enslaved. This is just the reason that the cow no longer gives more milk. We have no milk in the teats ... and we do not have good grass-fed ... and now we are skeletal cows.

It's that simple. Consider:

A) If I collect like my father ... and do not growth. Yes!, Ladies and gentlemen, charging the same thing that my dear father and have spent 20 years. I repeat: the same salary after 20 years ...! Taking into account that I am a thousand times better than him (my father was a pastor and then operator of the assembly line ... does not have an elementary school) ... and I, with EGB, ESO, and Bachelor degree ... and I the same salary ... (how sad, by God!)

B) And if the price of everything has been multiplied by 2, 3, 5 or 10 ... (food, entertainment, restaurants, gasoline, flats, rentals ... and what has not grown ... the CPI has risen at least, that if clothes, cars, ...)

Well ... ... NOT BLOCK THE ACCOUNTS. I left patatero zero in their pockets! Yes, yes ... listen: zero Zapatero! Not one euro. And you wonder: What I have to revive consumption? Well, wait ... because he sat me how to say ... I ask another credit?

Economy and so many masters, many advisers and analistos ... .. what!? Please .... respondanme ... economic elites and rulers of the Spanish comedy farce! for what?

Let's see the rest: whether to "A" less "B" ... what gives? Well, negative numbers, numbers do not mean ... RED? Well I say this in your language: numbers with NEGATIVE GROWTH ... (or numbers slowed).

So I see it:

YEAR 2008: I income 1,200 euros a month (ie "A") ... and it turns out that the concepts of monthly "B" give a whopping 700 euros rent, $ 100 petrol, 100 euros for food, such and such ... ... gives me Yields: -500 euros. I have no NOTHING in their pockets to spend ... on the contrary, the "life" compels me to throw credit card to survive those $ 500 monthly debt.

YEAR 1990: my father entered 200 billion pesetas ( "A") ... and it turns out that this has kept three children, pay floor, car, food ... such and such ... result: still saved money !!!!! Le envelopes!! (eye! And my father has had steady job and fixed his entire working life ... I, however, garbage contracts, agencies and other guarradas ...)

Now they see it more clearly? Eooo ... ... eooo! Lords ruling, employers, entrepreneurs ... ..!!!! eooooo .... where are they? Come accounts? And you know what I see around: the congress and the senate ... .. EMPTY. Our representatives .... those who have to sail through our welfare .... as are pluriempleados and with the 5 billion euros monthly deputy can not come to the end of the month ... because deputies do not work and dedicated to the self-employed or employed person who also have. (Please, a little shame and respect for citizens ... to attend parliament. Claim compulsory attendance of all deputies and senators to all sessions of both houses of parliament).

And so, all I can say that I am as Spanish is what I feel: SHAME! Outrage! IMPOTENCE!

Greetings and who are very good weekend ... I do what I'm feeling, I assure you everyone.

PS: Sorry my words ... but all these (rulers, speculators, entrepreneurs, employers, unions, jefazos, bankers, ...) are few SONS OF THE GREAT ...

Repeat. They are CHILDREN OF THE GREAT ...

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# 4, Key

November 14, 2008, at 9:34.

http://www.cotizalia.com/indice.html

Look what has uploaded the Ibex, the Down Jones, S & P500 ... and the euro down 1.26

We'll look to see what happens during the day, in which up to the lottery give us encouragement.

Baton of the day 4338%

Health!

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# 5, TAHartl

November 14, 2008, at 9:34.

Hello everybody.

Today I am eager to write. This text and the next is devoted to software engineers: "Neither + or - = but that the rest of engineering." Do you know someone plan BOLOGNA?.

SUMMIT U.S. November 15, 2008: "The revival of capitalism."

Speech by the representative of Spain, Mr. Rodriguez Zapatero, entitled 'The convergence towards a zapateril capitalism'.

Ladies and gentlemen of the G8 and G20, today, as the eighth world power and future president of the European Union, hence the invitation of my chair to France and future, I am here to represent my homeland and not representing myself or my with the party, I have the opportunity to utter such words and Spain has something to say in the framework of the international financial system. Therefore, I will conduct an exercise, outside my borders, humility, modesty and sincerity. I will not use or populism and / or demagoguery, nor the speech banal, and, of course, not vanity that characterizes me.

We are all gathered here to face the greatest crisis in the current scenario caused by a savage capitalism led by the neo-liberalism and an unscrupulous speculation. The facts of a distant and recent past bear this out. States are required to take decisions and measures to further coerce the taxpayer and the enterprise, providing them with a package of rules and laws to incorporate them into the market within the state of the free market, so they can strengthen the basic pillar and driving force of our economy: the Bank and the State. It is time to reduce civil liberty to start a new business cycle in which they can return to play the active toxic and reload with new and updated rules on the free market.

In some countries, nationally, the Bank is well controlled and monitored, as is the case in Spain, by the Central Banks Public (BCP), who shout the need for greater control and supervision in countries that do not have these machinery or tools of control and supervision, and similarly, is a prerequisite greater control and oversight at the international level. States, controlled and managed by politicians, should know not only the movements of the domestic financial system, but they also must know the operations of the international financial system. Thus, it is possible to generate rules in the financial market most successful and driven, with a further option of accepting or not such operations, thus achieving a wildly capitalism spoken by the states that are part of the whole international financial system. It is what we define as socializing the international financial system. The cost of R & D will pay what the private banking and the results expressed in reports shall be provided to the States, they in turn take the monopolitizándose investment decisions, politicians will gain greater vision for maneuver, it will regulate the financial market, BCP and enjoy better health.

The crisis, however, are needed to exploit them and thus cut the freedoms of citizens so that they do not deviate from the path marked with little notice, consolidate the principle of Pareto and give the prominence that it deserves to PAPA MAMA-State. This will result in a sea of rules, laws and called the market Light socialized sectorization. Low in cholesterol for taxpayers and businesses, and rich in revenue for handling of politicians and the banking public, and therefore, the private sector. That is why, so we must not forget those with financial resources to the most disadvantaged social classes so I could develop social policies, as was done in Spain with the Law Unit, a true social justice and an egalitarian distribution of wealth .

One wondered where all the managers here has an obligation to consider is the following, is the capitalist model or system to blame for this crisis?. If we look at Spain in the construction sector or also known as brick, the private banks it owns 65% of industrial warehouses and houses. The investment gives its thanks to the Bank of Spain and to turn to injections of liquidity from the European Central Bank. Now with the lack of activity and / or liquidity requires state action to reduce that percentage. But the real culprit in the subprime educational movement, lack of business and / or lack of liquidity is with his greed and speculation reprehensible. That is why, the answer is NO, and the focus of the meeting will be fixed at:

Control and monitoring.
Socialize neoliberalism.

Now, the question is what steps should be taken?.

First, in case of elections, using the technique of denying the crisis fallacy ad nauseam and be entering into society, in any case, drop by drop through a machine Publicity and Propaganda from the media, club Z artists, clown-political, political-bulb, etc., until the last militant. In principle, it is not appropriate to take unpopular decisions until the facts are sufficiently demonstrated and can be linked to other common. A series of measures are as follows:

"LINCOS by sheep."

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# 6, TAHartl

November 14, 2008, at 9:39.

Hello everyone again.

Continuation of speech ...

White Paper of a political-cucumber.
Melt the treasury of one country.
Arrimar all politicians shoulder with the purchase of more official cars.
Citizenship education: no player can not reach a new crisis.
Ensuring social and economic welfare of social classes that sustain the economic system. This is the main purpose of progressivism: maintenance of the progressives.
Save to bank: Rescue Plan I.
* 50,000 mill. € 100,000 mill. € endorsement of the state. Toxic auction assets from the taxpayer. The banks / boxes beneficiaries will be more "competent". Opacity four months.
Save to bank: Rescue Plan II. It is the climax of the failure of a government economic policies and therefore can be more or less a worsening financial crisis.
* Moratorium on payment to the Bank for a maximum of 500 € to the unemployed, pensioners and self-employed with no limit on mortgage and rent. ICO public institution. From ALL the taxpayers.
Save to bank: Rescue Plan III.
* Public Institution ICO, loans to companies. For assets that are not toxic coma with Banca potatoes. From ALL the taxpayers.
Distraction and confusion "advance gift of 400 €." There are still pensioners who go to your bank or cash to ask when it will join the 400 €. It is very effective.
R & D in software tools for control and monitoring. They play a very important role the software engineers theorized by economists, politicians and bankers.
Centralized computerization of Regions, Courts, Land Registry, a database aimed at different public institutions, and so on. Again, play a very important role the software engineers.
Raising taxes: no project of hydrological plans to justify tax increases for water supply.
Raising taxes: Light bulb!, Happy idea, theater National Energy Commission and minister of Industry => a result of rising energy bill.
Reduction of state benefits to the taxpayer.
Increasing the hypocrisy with the energy deficit with the purchase of renewable energy and nuclear energy to other countries. Forbidden to seek solutions to reduce the energy deficit.
Have 'happy' to unions majority.
And never say never, it should accept the political mistakes to avoid having to submit a resignation. And of course it is, that a resignation of a president and his cabinet in any country is not the solution to a situation of grave national crisis.
Create a climate of confidence to domestic and international investors.
Social democracy has to be able to generate political gain their wealth honestly. Decrease in productive employment. Productive employment must be gratified that at least employment without training.
The search continued through marketing of full employment.
Increasing public debt (maximum 69%) sold to Arab petrodollars.
Lousy public transportation system for income-tax registration and oil.
Climb mountains on foot to learn to wasting energy and well known formula of wasting taxpayers' money in order to revive 'an' economy. Public expenditure on diets, footrest; official cars, especially Audis; briefcases public in black for the effort of climbing, reforms of offices, furniture, other reforms, and so on.
A minimum of 640 consultants (3500 € x 640 x 1 month = € 2,240,000 per month) to be the politician best valued in society.
Virtual Ministry of Publicity and Propaganda, complemented by an Audiovisual Council to submit to marketing that do not perform in El Pais.
Have 'happy' Messrs. to senators and deputies, so get off and without an opposition win in battling difficult times.
Search for a scapegoat, forgiveness for the Alliance of Civilizations.
Frequent changes in the budget of ministries. Budgetary imbalances.
Increasing the public bureaucracy.
Streamlining of public finances. Here the role played another great software engineers.
Keep the club of artists with the Z-ICC
Be happy to environmental groups.
Civic Events: humor, tolerance and tension in the daily.
Anyone who does not share the ideology or progressive social democrat will be cataloged by zapateril pessimistic, neoliberal, Neocons, unpatriotic or disasters.
Massive immigration regulations, this will always help the free market.
SMEs to streamline their computerized tasks of monitoring and supervision.
The Stock Exchange, Medicine, the airports, the Public and Private Management, etc. computer makers including R & D
Finally, a dose of optimism, as it creates a better climate in the job market that pessimism. The reality let him for the dreamers.

Everything from the money of taxpayers, who pay and save the wild tropelías of political blunders in the field of Economics and Education. Here we must take special care not to commit many mistakes because it will be the thermometer of the seriousness of a real crisis.

Remaking of capitalism, NO more update said, rather, we must leave intact the current system and should seize the opportunity to increase the totalitarian power ...

In short, they suggest, is the time for a national crisis and / or international level, generating a crisis ideological division that generates tension and sleeping a real crisis and engage the public even more. Increase the percentage of intended votes in the polls and assure them that we will be strengthened ...

Good night and good luck ...

"LINCOS by sheep."

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# 7, Mano H20

November 14, 2008, at 9:39.

Hello everybody.

Well ... tomorrow is the day. The big day. The ultra-liberal argument against the thesis Social Democrats. Who will win?
Developed countries and emerging economies ... .. Moors and Christians, east and west.

Is dedicated to blame or find solutions?
¿Analyze the causes of the evils, to find a remedy, or choose a flight forward? ¿Merged capitalism or invent something else?

Some suggest these prick bubbles that are tax havens, while the other layer and sword to defend. For example the English who do not want to see dismantled financial kiosks as Gibraltar, Jersey or Channel. Neither the French Monaco.

I hope that little of this meeting. With about U.S. policy in transition. With few freethinkers of disparate ideas, with so many gurus of the economy are convinced their own reasons, with so many competing interests, with so many figurines wanting to appear ....

With so many speculators attentive to the decisions to reorient their vast fortunes to any profitable business, bulldozing who required.

Whatever you do soon see something that could affect us positively.

Because, in the meantime, here we will continue with the trickle of layoffs, with the beans increasingly expensive, with concerns rising.
We will continue to endure that we handle at will.

Today at 6.30 in the morning, Repsol petrol, diesel's cheaper to 1002 liter.
Today at the 9.30 figure of -0.2 for growth. Clópez what really has to 9.29, but that reminds me of 1929, and is not concerned.
Today at 10.00 in the morning to study proposal for ERE in one of two companies that work. All the shakes. Situations of all kinds: older age difficult to find another job, young people with young children, but large mortgages.

Cold wind, icy cierzo, coats of other autumns, Gray Christmas, lottery tickets as desperate nails on fire. It is not the body to year-end dinners.

Hagan game, gentlemen. Place your bets. That morning starts spinning the roulette wheel.

Salu2

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# 8, Gil Grissom

November 14, 2008, at 9:40.

# 23, Euribor up up!

July 25, 2008, at 10:10.

My parents were born savers. My father has neither primary education because they worked from the 12-year pastor, then he worked in Germany, then moved to Barcelona and my mother was also a young pastor, then at 20 went to Germany and then to Barcelona)

3 because we are brothers, 25, 24 and 23 years ... and of course, now we go the party and allegedly did not save anything ... (that according to my parents, who save everything)

PILLADO!
ICG = EURIBOR UP UP!

If you saw that you were the same, only had to admit it ...

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# 9 Anonymous

November 14, 2008, at 9:41.

q soltais bricks go today. infumable long as it is, is Friday.

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# 10, Solbes ruin zp unions

November 14, 2008, at 9:42.

4.347 truncheon

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# 11, Solbes ruin zp unions

November 14, 2008, at 9:42.

Ibex 35 9000.00 2.97%
Round numbers

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# 12, Droblo

November 14, 2008, at 9:43.

4 - to see the future but yesterday evening showed the double rise amrca the cotnado today in Europe and the top of Australia and Japan early this morning have been twice as a percentage of the closing price ... come on, that has left more less.

5 - I have understood that what Bologna is a controversial university:
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/andalucia/Bolonia/divide/Universidad/elpepuespand/20081113elpand_22/Tes

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# 13, magdalena chocolate

November 14, 2008, at 9:43.

# 8, Gil Grissom

jejejejej, there you have seen ...

poor head does not give you to be more original, the same speech again and again ...

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# 14, Curro MAD

November 14, 2008, at 9:44.

Gentlemen, I leave my club

daily = 4.327
Monthly = 4.597

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# 15, The Nightmare Before Christmas

November 14, 2008, at 9:45.

Enculator, why do not these fans like eneseñas to sell flats ??????

http://www.cotizalia.com/cache/2008/11/15/noticias_7_habitat_pesadilla_antes_navidad.html

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# 16, Anonymous

November 14, 2008, at 9:46.

The plan means bologna q equipaaramos us to europe educationally in many respects.

max 30 students per class.
less theory and more practice.
learn from truth

Today the university is bullshit, noi learn anything, then you learn with a master with experience, etc.

in most aspects do not think that is bad.

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# 17, Solbes ruin zp unions

November 14, 2008, at 9:47.

# 14, Curro MAD

in the monthly no match or CONAE, unless the Euribor q rise enough by the end of the month

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# 18, Curro MAD

November 14, 2008, at 9:49.

# 17, Solbes ruin zp unions

Monthly updated as of today, not the end of the month ... ... ....

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# 19, ignoramus

November 14, 2008, at 9:49.

Carlos,

Before getting a little cane, congratulate you on the blog. What I continue every day.

As for getting "a little cane" I say this because I do not expect you to say that the "purpose (of the fall in the price of oil) on the price of a liter of fuel is not very noticeable."

The liter of gasoline is below 1 euro. For me, and that is very noticeable.

What the crude has fallen by 60% from when I was at 140 €? Yes.

And that has to translate that into a liter costs 60% less? Well, no. 60% less mean it would cost 0.75 € / L. 125 pesetas / L! Hopefully!

Many years ago that does not cost that gasoline ... I think it has led the descent of crude oil in gasoline. It would interesting to see the price of gasoline in terms of oil. I do not know if you have this figure, but my perception is that we would see is that price is almost playing for the price of crude.

Ah! I have no interest in any oil ...

Greetings

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# 20, Droblo

November 14, 2008, at 9:50.

Bid very clear to year depo itnerbancario to 4.35%, the Euribor to be down there to leave

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# 21, Solbes ruin zp unions

November 14, 2008, at 9:51.

I have not missed numbers to see if it is accurate or not, but this is something else. a greeting

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# 22, erg

November 14, 2008, at 9:51.

I cachi if it were not for Grissom never guessed it would have been ;)

Good morning, and shortening that is not Friday?

The baton: 4.300 zeros as well with my ale!

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# 23, Droblo

November 14, 2008, at 9:54.

19, the article is mine
and I say little noticeable because for most it is noticeable is a subjective concept, and you talk of objective facts, is the only difference.

As you say the price of fuel is more or less where the crude rpecio two years ago

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# 24, Dompy MAD

November 14, 2008, at 9:54.

mine;

4.328

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# 25, and down 4%

November 14, 2008, at 9:55.

it gives me gustito up up to greet the Euribor. q now going the way of losing 4. where will be our friends and 5% and 6% already?

walk?

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# 26, Anonymous

November 14, 2008, at 9:55.

4380 ...

So when you see me happy and I was wrong ...
hala!

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# 27, Anonymous

November 14, 2008, at 9:56.

as a day hike we will lead a disappointment and a shock, we are poorly-used thanks to god

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# 28, Yomesmo

November 14, 2008, at 9:57.

On the relationship Crudo -> Gasofa-CPI, remains without explanation:
- Get Raw: the increases are applied at the time
- Slow Cooked: The downhills are applied, if they do, to laargo term and a lot less than the ascent.

According to the graphic of this Web crude oil prices this November 04 and clearly the price of gasoline is not at the same price as at November 04, adding neither IPC nor naaa.

Porrita: 4.326

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# 29, Col.

November 14, 2008, at 9:58.

That do not have with me.

If they want to revive consumption to be looking for another.
It turns out that is heard is rumored that in my business this year there will be no Christmas meal. No, if the excuse is that the crisis is going to cut c.ojonuda. Well, nothing, if that lords my bosses did not invite this year, and not revive consumption, I will follow your example.
Finish!

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# 30, Anonymous

November 14, 2008, at 9:59.

# 8, Gil Grissom

Really q and the commentary will be voted most of 2008. Euribor up up you are famous, sleeps well this weekend, you've Curran.

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# 31, Manuel

November 14, 2008, at 10:01.

I do not understand or graphics or macroeconomic theories, I am not an economist, not even a university.
What we understand is the great manipulation that tries to make all the macroeconomic data.
As far as I have zero credibility these manipulators, whether politicians, bankers, businessmen, journalists and what is most sad and painful trade unions.
Examples: Spain is the country with better control of the financial system in the world (ZP said). The next day, billions of aid to the financial system. (And all quiet, including trade unions)
Our economy is one that is better prepared for this time of economic recession (ZP said). The following month will beat all records of increase in unemployment. (And all silent, including trade unions)
And I belong to a union long time and it hurts the silence of their leaders

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# 32, Breogan

November 14, 2008, at 10:02.

I have a friend who studies economic Santiago, in his third year of the course (on course) were enrolled in which he stayed in 1st, 2nd and 3rd of 27 credits. Now it turns out that the plan Bologna could not enroll in economics because it had to be registered in the previous year of at least 30 credits. But nobody warned or told anything.

After despair, talk to the chancellor, a lawyer and notary who gave the solution for this course is to enroll in courses in business that can then validate when you have a resolution of the power to come back into economic power.

The Bologna plan is fine, but should have warned the students what would happen. The fault lies with the leave of politicians and officials.

Euribor for today: 4.313

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# 33, Key

November 14, 2008, at 10:02.

Hi chic @ s yesterday I read in the newspaper, that the directors of BBVA have said that the Euribor will next year below the 2.3% and that interest rates will go down very much more than they have fallen so far who believe ... that there is truth in this information?

Health!

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# 34, Anonymous

November 14, 2008, at 10:03.

Carlos, you've spent three people with the lower prices' impact (of the fall in the price of oil) on the price of a liter of fuel is not very noticeable. "

put a chart of the price of oil and gasoline, and that really scam CAPS.

my club:

Euribor at 2.30
gasoil 0.75

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# 35, Carlos Lopez

November 14, 2008, at 10:04.

The article is Droblo, who mistakenly had signed me (already changed)

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# 36, ignoramus

November 14, 2008, at 10:06.

23, Droblo,

For you also my praise for the blog.

A greeting,

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# 37, SANCHEZ

November 14, 2008, at 10:06.

Hello Forero,

Help me please,

In January 2008 he signed with a promoter buying a house. A signature I paid about 22,000 euros and when I hand over the house (March-April 2009) I subrogation to the mortgage on the promoter. He saved another 15,000 euros, so I will be around 144,000 euros of mortgage. I also have saved 5,000 euros for the cost of notary, and so on.

Podriáis I say more or less the expenses of formation of mortgage, years that could bring it, etc? It is assumed that having already released 22,000 euros VAT me what I have removed and others

Thanks Forero

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# 38, Copero

November 14, 2008, at 10:08.

It is curious, I see the comments over rated, we have to ICG (which is to say Euribor Upupa) and Gil Grissom (which in theory it uncovers). Perhaps you Euribor ...
So he falls ill?.
I am sure that this is a great guy, and as he did not know his face who knows ... Just until we have taken some canes with him and we have not learned.
It is curious how anyone can find and remember a post from a Forero nothing more and nothing less than 4 or 5 months ago ...
Much rancor, and then say the coperos ...
If the kid has been changed as the Nick says that I'm going to change his life, because respetadlo, rather than harass, or perhaps you would like to see you consistently do the same.

When you like the games, searching for 'the game of prisoner "by google (that is a mathematical game). A part of a good reflection, you will see life differently.

Sincerely yours.

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# 39, ICG

November 14, 2008, at 10:11.

...
# 8, Gil Grissom

Jajaja! Very good.

I've caught ... if you're worth what cobras, not as others.

Now I can go to La Noria's Jordi to tell my story along with Roldan and Julian Munoz. Telecinco ... where is my money?

Greetings and I hope I do not pay.

I wanted to remove the name because nothing more irritating to see it (the Euribor up up!)

That councils SAVING ... ... I do not retract them.

Greetings and good order.

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# 40, fyahball

November 14, 2008, at 10:11.

# 8, Gil Grissom

As he likes to crucify people and have a scapegoat. Well, yes, I go out in defense of ICG ... Leave the kid because, dammit. If you so upset: it costs so much to put a negative and give the ball mouse.
Good job, ICG, or poi to the event.
And it's not the one of fyahballmanía roll and such, I do not care for me and I do not want this type of message, just ... But I can agree with someone who says:

PS: Sorry my words ... but all these (rulers, speculators, entrepreneurs, employers, unions, jefazos, bankers, ...) are few SONS OF THE GREAT ...

His alter ego Euribor Upupa loaded much repeating the same message and already tiresome savings, but as an open forum ICG makes good contributions and not crushed as much. We should not take much to heart, this is a forum gentlemen, not real life ...
--
Jajajajaja! That dispossession of human bush makes a radical message of Talibanism in defense of ultra-liberalism and Gual Strider rises by 6%, 10% minimum since the day ... jajajaja!
Burn! Burn cursed!

DA WIKKID NEVER GET ENOUGH! BURN DEM!

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# 41, Kens

November 14, 2008, at 10:11.

Hey People!

Let's see if anyone can echarme a hand with the following questions / approach. As I raised in the forum of the mortgage orange but to see if someone has done something similar and I can guide a bit.

I got this from the beginning of 2008 a mortgage with ING to type stable at 5087%. The payment without problems and everything is perfect, but I like to be able to benefit from falling rates that are having right now, not to reduce the quota, but to reduce the palzo. This is where I have several questions:

1 .- In reviewing the interest rate, can you ask for a reduction of term rather than a reduction in quota?

2 .- How much does it cost to ING leave the rate stable to move to variable before passing the agreed 3 years?

3 .- Could just after applying for variable rate reapply for the type stable for me to 4339% down to that found today?

It was a move that is carambola but not as you see. I have done my calculations and making me save no more and no less that 44 shares my mortgage, or almost 4 years of my life without paying for housing. I think the process should not be too complicated and should be viable, but I would like to know what costs can have the notary's move to a variable rate and "resolicitar" automatically the type stable.

Thank you very much in advance who to me a helping hand with this.

Cheers

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# 42, Anonymous

November 14, 2008, at 10:13.

# 37, SANCHEZ

Among estate still, get well and return date ... ..
The average is between 9 and 10% of the cost of housing.

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# 43, Anonymous

November 14, 2008, at 10:13.

copero got as much reason, the pity is that my comments do not leave, because they are censored, some day, sooner than later, maybe you will find the page you censored the hacker, then will be late.

PD. COMPUTER IN UNEMPLOYMENT, entertain HACKEANDO WEB. JE JE

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# 44, Anonymous

November 14, 2008, at 10:15.

# 39, ICG
Tranki friend. I still poniendote negative galore and your new nickname irks me just the same.

By the way, have you stopped to think that today there are more obtuse than before goatherds graduates with initiative?

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# 45, Key

November 14, 2008, at 10:16.

# 40, fyahball

I'm not for or against anyone, because the truth that I respect everyone who is here on the forum and I do not like putting negative for each account what he thinks, I believe that the negatives should go to people that insult or lacking respect for others and as in the case is not to insult anyone ... everyone has their point of view and everyone can give their opinion without anyone restraining him with negatives.

I've been several days without writing to you because no paradise nor to read the comments, there are only a few that are based on putting a negative, and annoying, if that bothers with all your good intentions get your feedback, because we all have to learn from everyone, and fuel-based negatives.

Good day and health.

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# 46, fyahball

November 14, 2008, at 10:16.

# 38, Copero

This becomes worrisome copero. We agree again in the message. Perhaps he should start to listen to cope ... despite the allergy that causes me just thinking about it.

Off-topic: By the way, have you seen the issue of euthanasia as it is. An English-13 that he calls cease to die in an Italian girl in a coma since the 92 tb you may die ... I know that these matters cause your reactions reactionary ...

BE FYAH!

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# 47, the last weekend of capitalism

November 14, 2008, at 10:17.

Agenda for the summit:
- Today
18.00 local time (midnight in Ireland). Bush greets participants at the summit.
19.20. Dinner at the White House with heads of state.
- Tomorrow
9.00. PHOTO group at the National Building Museum in Washington.
9.20. First Plenary Meeting and a half hour to discuss the proposals.
1150. Second Plenary Meeting hour and a half.
1325. Bush invites EAT those in attendance.
1505. President Bush notified about oficialdel conclusions of the summit.

IN THREE HOURS, A DINNER AND A MEAL, THE VAN TO CONSOLIDATED CAPITALISM?

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# 48, Droblo

November 14, 2008, at 10:17.

38, by the way, did you see that TV Localia will close and the excuse Prisa is the issue of licenses? I remembered seeing the news to you, like your chain in Catalonia curious ...

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# 49, Mickey Mouse

November 14, 2008, at 10:18.

It turns out that the market aside, we do not realize that we are part of it. Since 9 euros to buy jeans made in India by an operator that charges like 30 bucks a month, instead of buying a Lois to 30-40 euros, made by a Spanish operator charged 1200. Total Spanish unemployment, trade deficits and increased social spending. And so the strip, ...

But if this is the subprime crisis, look guilty, but rather than imprisoned, to correct their mistakes in the future. Those who believe the subprime crisis.

Perhaps there was not a democrat legislation during the Clinton era, to put pressure on American banks to give mortgages to the ninjas. Was not seen, was not very social that the bank did not. Of course the bank did, but then, and given that the laws of parliamentarians Americans are allowed, because it was packaged and what happened to the first unsuspecting I could. so what is politically correct by expanding the balloon caught and millions of savers, banks, etc. ...

And who is to blame for this. If lawmakers allow it and push the laws of market economics did not zones, borrowers are thrown to the river to improve its profits and that the shareholders shall be happy Chachi, shareholders buy and buy and the mortgage debt or ask and ask over their potential and beyond reason. Well, as the metamos everyone in jail, we were left alone.

Whenever I asked for a loan, the bank has gotten me a little bit. We have to count on that. I work in another sector and they are professionals and money clauses. But I have not been borrowing occurred over my options and even with that if I'm going to stop what would happen badly.

When a chavalín eight Heuristic told me that three years ago or a purchase of a penthouse of 130 meters or does not come out of his parents' house, is when I realize that we did the crisis.

20 years ago to his age, I bought an apartment of 58 meters at the peak price of 89 and 15% interest in twelve years. Sweat but what I paid. this apartment for 100,000 euros to 300,000 euros then it costs now, but less. Well, I with my salary equivalent of that time I could not do without buying the economic harakiri. Well, I do not buy it.

If people, the ninjas, banks with mortgages in 50 years, legislators, etc ... were not stuck in the puddle. Well, everyone would have grown by 1% or 1.5% per annum less. The economy would be stronger, the floors would not have risen so much, would not have mortgages and we would trash from the Euribor.

Since that

Euribor 4.348 today to come to me very well.

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# 50, ICG

November 14, 2008, at 10:18.

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# 38, Copero

November 14, 2008, at 10:08.

Copero Thanks!

Well, I enblanquezcan this post, but thanks for assessing the content of the comments and not the nickname or pseudonym of you think.

Thank you for your respect.

We are all in the same boat. (but few others in the bow and stern)

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