I want it all

One of the first songs we worked when I was a kid and took me to an academy to learn English, which was the most well-known hymn "I want it all" (Aiguaniral) from Queen, the legendary British group led by the late Freddy Mercury (not Freddy Mae, also deceased). The teacher, a typical pipe including English, told us that the chorus (I want it all and I want it now), referring to the attitude of today's youth (then), that "I want everything that I want Now. " We are talking about a word that in his time (almost 20 years ago) were recorded and that over the years have been taking effect.

In today's society, marketing and the social need of belonging to the herd, we are "forced" to follow this maxim of wanting to have everything and want to have it now, and this, subjective considerations aside, it has a cost, of which we can not escape . When older people tell us they saved before you buy what they wanted or needed, we seem alien, and therefore can be seen in shopping malls, we ignore its recommendations.

Let's analyze this cost component.

The component "I want it all" refers to the price (not value) of the goods we want, plasma, the movable bar with xenon lights, the A4 Wagon (also with xenon lights), etc ... It is part the problem of over-consumption in which we live, but it is not the critical point, because if comprásemos paying debts (with cash in our pockets), would enhance the consumption and production, but then we are not going to the trouble arrival of the crisis.

The component "I want it now" is the most problematic, because we live in a system which penalizes savings for consumption on credit. Financial institutions themselves do not offer attractive savings products, at least until last year that have needed money like water to drink and have espabilado.

Let's do some calculations to put "face-saving or spending that accounts for us" I want it now ". Take for example the purchase of a vehicle priced around € 30,000.

We can ask for a loan to the concessionaire's financial and pay 8% in 4 years (operation amortization of capital), or conversely, start saving now, put a fixed amount each month into a high pay or deposit ( operation of capital). We count the cars go up in price as the CPI, so that the second option will need more money for the car of the future. The numbers are as follows

A credit:

Amount to finance: 30,000
TAE: 8%
Fee: € 732.39 / month
Contributions: 48
Interest paid: € 5154.61 (ALARM APPLES AND PEARS)
Total paid: 35154.61 € (ALARM APPLES AND PEARS)

With savings:

Saving monthly fee: 640 €
APR: 4.50%
Contributions 48
Capital contributed: 30720.00 € (ALARM APPLES AND PEARS)
Interest income: € 2872.52 (ALARM APPLES AND PEARS)
Money saved: 33592.52 € (ALARM APPLES AND PEARS)

Now might be demagogue and say that in a way we have paid € 5154.61 interests and the other we have gained € 2872.52 so the difference is somewhat more than 8.000 €, which is € 30,000 on something more than a 25 %, But since the other day we were practicing the theme of assimilation into Income Financial, we observe that the savings produced is equivalent to an income of 48 payments of 92.39 € (732,39-640) that as of today has a value of 2133.34 (3.50% upgraded to the expected price of money), which is € 30,000 on an approximately 7.1%.

As you can see, the finances are a bit disappointing, because so many numbers to only € 2,000, but we have to look at is that in taking the decision to save or finance a spending just generate a present value of € 2133. Despite this expenditure (which corresponds to the value of the bank's profit margin on the discount rate used to calculate the present value), is relatively cheap to buy on credit, and therefore it is logical that in making decisions, in a context that does not criminalize the debt, purchases are made on credit.

As a final conclusion, we note that the money is cheap, and those who serve us (banks and the ECB) are as responsible as ourselves that "I want it now" is our daily bread. If we repeat the calculations with interest at 15% and pay 12% of accounts on the numbers changed much since the difference is almost € 200 monthly, not insignificant amount.

A few days ago, speaking with a solvent employer of impeccable career and clear ideas, I commented that the cheap money in recent years is a cause of the impoverishment of the middle class by the low pressure that have made the unions before the loss purchasing power, as we have slowly changed the salary for the credit, keeping the "apparent consumption capacity."

Therefore, it is now quite logical who preferred to buy on credit to save money because the tycoons and what we "impose" disincentives absolutely planning, savings and budgetary control, becoming "semi-slaves" of credit, working to pay what we have already consumed. When you do not owe anything to anyone can plantarte, leaving the system and go to the mountain goat rearing, but when what they should eat last month is very complicated exit the system. Consuming 20% less every month, would need five months to salirte of "VISA", and in five months, the purposes may fall easily (with a little help from the marketing), but look far during the aims of Eve.

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# 1, Jose

Nov. 3, 2008, at 9:18.

Nothing like Bohemian Rhapsody from Queen ... jeje

If you are a bit disappointing that our finances, and worse every day.

Anyway, I leave with you an article to see the slowness of some banks and funds. Some sexes go with the water around his neck: Late payments of banks and boxes

S2 and good day ;)

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# 2, Emilio

Nov. 3, 2008, at 9:22.

Good morning everyone.
Queen. Great group and great song ... but also the problem we have today.
This weekend, someone said that JP Morgan, aplzaba three months the collection of bills of its customers. Assuming that to be like this, with no fine print, might do with these € 3,000 on average, you save?
a) items also make a deposit in high yield and take advantage of € 3,000 for amortization + interest on capital
b) items to a warehouse in August, leaving a vacations galore.
c) Give the entry for a new car

I suppose that in the forum, almost everyone would do the same thing, but ... we go out into the street and do this survey?

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# 3, ICG

Nov. 3, 2008, at 9:29.

Good morning!

Here you get a comment from this weekend that includes a link ... very good.

I recommend you read it.

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# 46, Lucas

November 2, 2008, at 21:10.

(Sorry but I do not have a direct eMail to get in touch, thanks)
Hello,
I found some explanations and solutions to correct truth to the financial crisis that could be of your interest in this link:

http://www.peatom.info/3y3/elipsis/113537/la-crisis-la-estan-explicando-los-mismos-que-la-han-creado/

where there is talk of a comprehensive institutional reingeniera monetary draft again, the need for prudential accounting recover and develop a far more financial training.
Sincerely, Lucas

And enjoy!

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# 4 Duke

Nov. 3, 2008, at 9:35.

That taste is going to see today the average for the month of November when leaving the day's value.

Today, 4.84

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# 5, Anonymous

Nov. 3, 2008, at 9:35.

Oops, I had always believed that the "aiguanirol" referred to the magnates of the capitalist system ... is what is left only with the chorus of music that sounds!

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# 6, Anuska

Nov. 3, 2008, at 9:36.

I enjoyed the article today. I am by sending up to several relatives and of course I read my husband. jejejeje.

The "Buy it ahorralo and then," I totally agree, is deeply frowned upon. People who normally do not have problems to reach the end of the month. However, it is always criticized ... you tend to call "stingy". Anyway, the law that prevails today is: If you ask for what you get credit before. I personally
I have always followed the method of saving and I had no problem .. In addition to avoiding the saying "dog disservice to all the fleas you do wrong" I guess that will have several explanations, but in my house is used as follows: the less money you have more economic problems come on top (you'll be breaking car, you come from a spill of neighbors or the community at a cost with which it did not ...)

The conclusion I draw from my article is: not as we start to look over the pocket we are going to attack the fleas!.

A greeting to all.

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# 7, Martinez

Nov. 3, 2008, at 9:40.

-Hey, good morning, you have seen already beginning to announce multi mortgages? say that the bank is responsible for the move, but how much risk it is not? I think that was discussed earlier in the forum.

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# 8, Solbes ruin zp unions

Nov. 3, 2008, at 9:42.

where advertised? the multi?

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# 9, Ignorant

Nov. 3, 2008, at 9:44.

The sad part about this is that they have to come moments of crisis to realize that we are living beyond our means and especially because often too late to change strategy.
The only consolation that remains is that classes need to have an affluent middle class that allows them to continue in his position of privilege. Can be tightened but not drowning and now it touches is tightened, and much, the belt in order to get out of it and continued consumption.

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# 10, Roger

Nov. 3, 2008, at 9:44.

The 3 cars I've bought so far, I have paid saving, I never would happen finance a car ... Of course I always buy something practical, not a todoterrenazo to showcase the weekend in the countryside ...

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# 11, Dalma

Nov. 3, 2008, at 9:44.

Buenos dias ... Forero.

Today I'm in a bad mood .... started my vacation and I have my head screwed on Friday, saying he had to work this week .... and as such the issue said that no one, so I hope that at least Euribor me happy day ...

My baton for today: 4799

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# 12, Martinez

Nov. 3, 2008, at 9:44.

In "creditserv ...." For the television channel. I do not have neither "potato" as it works.

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# 13, cucumber

Nov. 3, 2008, at 9:47.

suicide bombers, these on TV

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# 14, magdalena chocolate

Nov. 3, 2008, at 9:47.

I was just like me call me Racana does something wrong it be?
never pay anything to fund and with interest. Only the house because it is impossible to pay in cash. The rest of the stuff cash or if I have to defer them is 3 months without paying interest. I caught me out there ...
and no credit card, here everything is paid for with the debit, and if there is no money to pay because they do not buy.

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# 15, Pachon_16

Nov. 3, 2008, at 9:48.

All you've got reason, that the thing that gives snacks.
"We are not allowed to save" because the return on savings is pessimistic and force us to take credit for everything, but good, someone once said: "We can not change the price of seafood, so if we want to a seafood we only have to worry about earning enough to be able to afford. " Although someone please tell us how to do these days!.
I also leave you a link that you have already visited but I think buenisimo.
THE CRISIS NINJA, by Leopoldo Abadia:
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=lU-j2mIwOpE

Very good day to all and thank you very much.

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# 16, Martinez

Nov. 3, 2008, at 9:49.

But I get the feeling, which is another way to deceive consumers as to reunify and the whole roll.

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# 17, Robert

Nov. 3, 2008, at 9:54.

Well, I feel perfectly identified.

If I buy a car from 30,000, it is because after a hard day job, I want to be awarded by whims. Wait 4 years I am supposed to take a trauma!

Sorry, you're right, I'm guilty of breaking the system!

Jejeje, but it is so sad.

Wish I could plan my life in this sense, but in the end, I do not have a car of 30,000, but 15,000 when I bought it and had to go to work (my boss does not seem a good idea to pay for 4 years before that outside the Curro!)

The machine, € 500, as was paying the mortgage and the car to go to work, and I was spoiled and washing machine repair worth almost with a new, and therefore, assessing the possibility to wash clothes by hand 3 months or defer payment this time, I decided on the latter.

Just when I finished paying the washing machine, a tooth infection forced me to go through the dentist, aiiiii that pain! not molars, but budget. 1800 € filling some two implants, and so on. Again the dilemma, there are two options, shooting 2 of antibiotics anita or defer payment? Almost better than the latter because, being an agent desdentado, is that success could not have ....)

As long as I pay my brand new wheels, car repairs and a balcony that Caia is my home, I was going to go on vacation. Uy, another credit? or talk, I'm going camping and ready, but ... .. carai, if you want to go camping, the parecela cost me more than a cruise, so .... I stay at home, painting and washing the face of my home, painting: € 700, € 700 new sink cabinet, changing heater (which no longer works) 300 €, thanks Mr. Visa for helping me in this ... ..

I make the famous table of Clopez and excel .... ay, I have left 60 € to spend the month!

ME river not to mourn.

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# 18, glass

Nov. 3, 2008, at 9:56.

Good morning,
Now I have to go to the bank to liquidate mortgage half ... after a final meeting with the vice-principal, much honored that the director with whom I do not want more treatment-ran that I simply went to amortize a half in money and the other in years but not told me if my exchange with this revision which is normally in February ... if you know to do it today, I calculated again with the Euribor 2 months ago ... I am not seduced by the idea ...
I just commented to me today delivered a copy of a receipt for the amortization and who believe otherwise ...?

Well, since you contare like me has been among the wolves ...

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# 19, magdalena chocolate

Nov. 3, 2008, at 9:58.

# 17, Robert
because not live a day ... have a mattress for contingencies ...

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# 20, Borg Collective always with Frederic Bulsara

Nov. 3, 2008, at 9:59.

"And I want it now !!!!"

Porrita for today: 4.821

Although it would be "The Miracle" that more down ... and very desirable.

PS: In keeping with that "Bohemian Rhapsody" is the best. And "The MILLIONAIRE Waltz" later.

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# 21, robert

Nov. 3, 2008, at 10:02.

# 19, magdalena chocolate

What else I would!

It appears that your economic situation is more comfortable than the majority!

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# 22, Ramo

Nov. 3, 2008, at 10:02.

# 17 Robert, very good, but if all you say is true, and you commiserate, especially in the wheels.

I think sometimes there is no choice but to ask for a loan to buy a car because you need it. What happens is that rather than settle for a simple car, 15 thousand euros want one that costs twice, and instead make an effort in three years and pay what we pay in elongated and six, because we also want to go to dinner , A movie, and so on. But for me the height of stupidity is to expand mortgage to buy a car.

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# 23, Lucas

Nov. 3, 2008, at 10:02.

I do not agree that it is better to save and then buy a fund and enjoy it, provided they have a minimum of common sense.

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# 24, Pepita cricket

Nov. 3, 2008, at 10:02.

Already I've heard that they are going to inject public money to banks (which have not much idea) of what we should do now is to lower the bank interest rate on personal loans and not the 23% that is in some financial institutions and .

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# 25, duff

Nov. 3, 2008, at 10:02.

After "Bohemian Rhapsody", "The Prophet's song", or any of the Queen II

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# 26, juane1980

Nov. 3, 2008, at 10:04.

Glass, redemption when you redeem the Euribor reviewed when you get to, or in February.

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# 27, Borg Collective always with Frederic Bulsara

Nov. 3, 2008, at 10:05.

# 25 duff

"Father is to", "Ogre Battle," "Nevermore", "Funny how love is"
Queen II is the best record, I agree.

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# 28, Mano H20

Nov. 3, 2008, at 10:08.

Hello everybody.

Knowing what capullines who are residents of banquilandia, I am not surprised that nothing today is in the Euribor values similar to Friday.

And all because they do not want that half of the month starts very bottom.

A while ago the Euribor to 12 months in values of 4.77 and 4.79 and suddenly has to 4.87. That happened more casual!

Salu2

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# 29, Dalma

Nov. 3, 2008, at 10:09.

I personally prefer to buy spot, but there are times that circumstances in life you have left no choice but to finance, so I feel good that we are in this option. I bought 11 years ago a second hand car, a Renault 7 with 23 years because it was not for me anymore. Then pay 55,000 pesetas. In the two years the poor man died ... .. and needed a car to go to work every day. I bought a Renault Clio 1.2 Pelao, not cost me anything and 1,600,000. I could give a small entry that he had saved (in addition to paying monthly letters to the builder of my house), but even so I had to finance 1,200,000 to 5 years, since my salary back then was practical and won 75% of salary.
By that I mean that as the time of your life where you are or your situation you are often forced to seek a loan.

A greeting

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# 30, magdalena chocolate

Nov. 3, 2008, at 10:09.

# 21, robert

¿Loose? if, despite the fact that here insist on saying that I do not live with my figures, who either directly or barely get to the end of the month. But I prioritize, and dispense with unnecessary things to have when they arrive dinerito times of need.
Maybe one day I also have to postpone something, but it would be in cases of extreme need, and always looking for ways to postpone a euro without paying interest.
If I have to defer a washing machine for $ 500 because if the cash can not eat ... because I buy one that has a arazaño and I left in the 300, which will wash just as well.

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# 31, saspiki

Nov. 3, 2008, at 10:09.

The provision as such there is nothing wrong, the cheap money is always (except for those who punishes his savings) better than expensive. As almost always the difference is that we use: If you pay with Visa and cancel the following month, I have a month's free money, if you defer payment by custom to 0.75% per month on the card, what I have are problems ..

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# 32, Raskolnikov

Nov. 3, 2008, at 10:15.

Good morning,

I liked the article, but with one small correction.

Recently I bought a car, but not by 30,000 by 24,000.

I raise the pay to tocateja (had the money) or to finance a part.

Well to miss estimates in the financing, the nail was 12% (both from the financial car as the banks), so I decided to pay tocateja. If it had been 8% perhaps it would have gone into debt in a certain%.

greetings

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# 33, santi27

Nov. 3, 2008, at 10:21.

Globalization has remained more or less stable prices of everything in the past 10 years but the entire free from our wages far has gone to inflate the housing and the Serbs. So we can compare a new car for 8000e, but a zulo of 50 meters in Barcelona will cost us 240,000 thousand is the price of 30 cars. Ten years ago a car cost 7000 euros and an apartment worth 60,000 thousand only 8 times more.

The question is was worth it or globalization has impoverished us?. From that point of having products globally more economical if we really have to spend 60% of our salary compares to the hole where they live.

A greeting.

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# 34, Isolde

Nov. 3, 2008, at 10:24.

Well, I got a bit of truth, household appliances me the "funding" my mother at 10 months without interest, the sofa I got financed to a year without interest, the cabinet to 10 months without interest and the head and the small tables, as the funding was to pay interest and did you spot a 3% discount, because tocateja,:), that she could afford to pay all that money it had saved from before, but the truth, no I think that interests me financing without prejudice and thus I have money in the bank for any unforeseen, :) How do you see? ah, of course, I forgot, also paying the mortgage and other expenses ehhh: P.

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# 35, Anonymous

Nov. 3, 2008, at 10:27.

Where you can see in real time on the Euribor? because I can not find it

Thank you

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# 36, magdalena chocolate

Nov. 3, 2008, at 10:29.

# 34, Isolde

I see wonderful, you're always aware that you need that money and do not you forget that you owe money and therefore you should not pay. But come on, it's wrong to borrow it for descerebrados live beyond its means. And you do not have the look of being well ;-)

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# 37, Paniagua

Nov. 3, 2008, at 10:29.

For me the issue that has generated the pay on credit, is not "want something now," which I do not feel bad, within the responsibility. For me the most is to see that everything is at your fingertips and not your plants if things really make you lack and for that you need and you end up comprándote a cellphone every 6 months, the Nintendo DS, PSP and gastándote your VISA credit because you are a fashion victim and the cabinets have peta of things that really are unnecessary and not as loose paste, then you're not really what things cost. Know many people well and now we are going badly, take a month to pay what should the previous one, is an addiction.

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# 38, Ramo

Nov. 3, 2008, at 10:30.

I think now we are at a sensitive time, and you have to be smarter and more cautious than ever, and every step that we think ten times. I do not say "no use", but with an eye on the whole debt and strive to retain our work!

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# 39, oreidubic

Nov. 3, 2008, at 10:30.

Well, I have had 5 cars in 11 years and I've traveled 500.000kms ... the first 1,800,000 pessetas and I have now 45,000 € .. and all paid on credit, although in percentage of 50% .... and is the best way to get insurance on these worlds of god and not taken at this time ahber stop any "unplanned" ... if the car is a means to get to work is an investment and not being able to fund badly ..

And doing 40,000 miles a year if I have to wait to have the money to go to automatic, xenon, and with a couple of hundred horses to ride because they are helping roads god, do not enjoy pdré to the pre-retirement ....

Do not be demagogues ... financing is an economic cost, but it has to weigh the cost against sensations intengibles more disposable ... but not security, welfare .... I've traveled 1,400 of a hitch with a Peugeot 306, with 406 and in peugeot an Audi A6 and there is no color on what is best ..

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# 40, magdalena of chocoalte

Nov. 3, 2008, at 10:30.

forgiveness, I wanted to say "money that you should not spend"

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# 41, Solbes unions ruin zp

Nov. 3, 2008, at 10:30.

porrita Euribor 4.751

q relaxes from the Euribor many q seems we are more relaxed. a greeting.

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# 42, Isolde

Nov. 3, 2008, at 10:35.

Well magdalena chocolate, does not forget me not, if you look at what I have in mind that deleting the months that I know Payable and those jajaja I have left :) they just pay it all, because to save it but that does not sound good to me if next year, but that is, between what I took to "convince" my boyfriend and this crisis, in the case of geriatric me, ah No, that the board did not reach me either, jajaja: P.

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# 43, Prudencio

Nov. 3, 2008, at 10:43.

We recognize that funding is the tool of the poor.

I financed. Finance my quality of life improves.

Financed with head, but things could be financed even afford the luxury (yes, yes, the luxury) to pay in cash.

Why? Simply because of the benefit (financial or otherwise) that I can make no pay "to tocateja." With that money I do other things. More things at once.

It's like insurance, which are also tools for the poor. Insurance allows me to have access to health care that otherwise might leave me very expensive (I am not speaking only of the economy) ... Paying a monthly fee (equivalent to financing) and thus with no health game, which waits for public health can be dangerous. Is for when you get to the "Chinese", but is that when you go ... ay when you go!

The poor, who do not have money, he is given the tool of the financing so that it can feel less poor. And damn if he does.

It's a question of numbers ... Anyone who ever dreamed of having a car, financing a car that otherwise can not buy.
Anyone who can not buy a house, mortgage ... but if the car was able to pay in cash.

The problem is that the requested beyond its means, but also of knowing who gave it provided with risk.

Here we are all somewhat guilty. Think: If I (and I imagine that many of you.) Could pay cash ...

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# 44, Anonymous

Nov. 3, 2008, at 10:45.

# 17, Robert

And I'm not entirely disagree with your statement because you have ignored the temporary component.

Everything you say you pass in a few days, months and in reality things do not go well.

However, now that you have everything resolved: cars, washing machine, heater, teeth ok, the house painted ...

Now comes the difference is when:

a) Savings
b) I am spending all that I win

If you choose the first option when he is all for change will have money to pay for a debit.

If you opt for the latter, you need to buy everything on credit.

This is the real difference.

Greetings

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# 45, oscarius

Nov. 3, 2008, at 10:48.

Acabo de ver subir en un cuarto de hora el interbancario del 4,77 al 4,90. Me parece increible que la economia, el consumo, la estabilidad financiera de una persona y un pais se base en un valor como este. A mi entender esa confianza y estabilidad es la que debería buscar el gobierno, a lo mejor lo consigue pero sin pretenderlo. Creo que solo salvan el culo a unos pocos, y cuando los de siempre estén contentos, relajaran el esfinter y detras nosotros.

Vale, yo leí lo que firmé, pero donde está aquello de:
“El euribor se adelanta al precio del dinero unos tres meses”, a mi eso me dijeron en mas de un banco.

Por cierto, saludos a maño de un paisano, no escribo casi nada nunca, pero suelo leer lo que escribes y se aprende bastante.

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# 46 , oscarius

3 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:51.

Ya está otra vez en el 4,79. (Empiezo a dudar del enlace, jeje)

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# 47 , Anónimo

3 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:51.

Oscarius, ¿donde lo ves?

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# 48 , Ramó

3 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:55.

Para @46, Oscarius, y para todos en general -es intersante.

Proceso de cálculo del Euribor

El cálculo y publicación del valor del Euribor se realiza todos los días laborables por la agencia Reuters, de acuerdo al siguiente proceso:

1. Diariamente se solicita a cada banco de referencia que envíe sus tipos de interés actuales no más tarde de las 10:45 am Para ello, Reuters genera en su sistema una página privada que solamente puede visitar el banco y el personal encargado de realizar el cálculo. De 10:45 am a 11:00 am (CET) los bancos tienen oportunidad de corregir sus contribuciones si fuese necesario.

2. A las 11:00 am (CET), Reuters realiza el cálculo del nuevo valor del Euribor, para lo cuál elimina el 15% más alto y el 15% más bajo de los tipos de interés recolectados y realiza la media aritmética del resto de valores. El resultado se redondea al número de 3 decimales más próximo al valor del promedio.

3. Tras el cálculo, Reuters publica instantáneamente el tipo de referencia Euribor en las páginas 248-249 de su sistema Telerate, que están disponibles para todos sus subscriptores y agencias de información. Al mismo tiempo se publican los tipos de interés empleados en el cálculo, con el fin de conservar la transparencia del proceso.

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# 49 , Maño H20

3 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:56.

# 47 ,Anónimo

http://www.grupocimd.com/cotizaciones/interbancario_inter.asp

Salu2 Oscarius

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# 50 , JDX

3 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 10:57.

# 8 , ruina solbes zp sindicatos
3 de Noviembre de 2008, a las 9:42.
donde las anuncian??? las multidivisas??
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