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In November will be a year of historic peaks of the American and Spanish stock exchange. The anniversary coincides with a stock market and financial crisis that has led many states to use public money to try to resolve the situation. Right in between those dates to April 2007 - came news that seems forgotten today: The G7 posed an ultimatum to the banking system by which gave them 100 days to emerge all of their losses. That same G7 decided that these days, along with other economic institutions and policies, go to the aid of those same banks that ignored the ultimatum.

They say that there was a need, it is possible, but these banks are still the same directors and managers leading a policy so dire that have needed enormous amounts of public money to survive. How is it possible to be a blank check to solve this to those who badly managed and also ignored the warnings?

Looking back a few links:

This could be very long but is easily summarized: The FED lowered rates in the late summer of 2007 thereby delaying the solution to the crisis and the stock exchanges in November (both the SP500 as the Ibex) touched historic highs, in a movement of blindness total on economic reality. Falls from January to be blamed "mad trader" and from June to a storm of summer ... and have needed the collapse of these days to finally act together.

Hopefully it is true that it is not too late but I think it took too much. And of course what we consider unacceptable is not rolling heads. Many people have been complicit and active-passive-from the current crisis, but one who spent 120% of their income on credit and relied on an expectation wrong in their meat is suffering the consequences. And many innocent, too. The companies closed or poorly managed change their management teams, but what happens to the treasurers of banks, managers of pension funds, what happens to the political system, what happens with the ratings agencies, and the recommendations of Analysts?

In April this year was very famous video of the CNBC in which he interviewed Meredith Whitney, an analyst at Oppenhaimer, and suddenly asked about the survival of Lehman and she, logically thought that would end up bankrupt, spent several seconds without knowing what say, between hesitating whether to tell the truth or not cause any "mistrust" was his famous "mmm". She and her bank has been among the few who have months and months recommending selling in banks and announcing that they rebajarían dividend and raise capital, something that managers of these banks refused and returned to deny. Now the "totem" is to be given confidence, that means not telling the truth? Or stay with the comment made by the same dates one of the most prestigious analysts Spaniards among Internet users: "I recommend buying the stock exchange because years ending in 8 when in January he has behaved badly, they tend to go up very strongly about everything from the first quarter, so a year that ends in 8, which in January has behaved very badly, it is very likely to rise by 30% since the minimum in the first quarter. "

But this is anecdotal when compared to what happens to the head: Why is it that has not resigned after Paulson stressed many times the financial strength of Bear Stearns, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae among others? And Bernanke, how was not affected by its mismanagement of the crisis? Where are the resignations among ratings agencies that ensured the financial strength of many entities fall? Why do governments have not demanded purges of personnel responsible for the banks which injected capital? How is it possible to continue in the same place as AIG and also wasted?

It can not be that the ordinary citizen who has been affected by a crisis that barely understands is the only one who suffers the consequences and will use the money from their taxes for those who have led us to the crisis and all its accomplices continue in his Seat. Do you have to recover confidence? True, but that there is nothing better than sincerity and responsibility. Let us tell the truth once and did not commit the revenue for the state in some managers who have brought us to this, it does not foresee nor knew how to fix. Without accountability monetary, political and even criminal if need be, I believe that it will not be a lack of confidence in the system.

Written by Droblo on October 23, 2008 with 240 points.
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# 1, jdx

October 20, 2008, at 9:34.

shocking but true .... I hope that once it is sufficient, and not create more precedents

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# 2, Architect Honored

October 20, 2008, at 9:37.

For those who walk heavily with ING day in day out:
http://www.ingdirect.es/html/estructura.asp?seccion=7&subseccion=2&opcion1=4&opcion2=0&articulo=1
It is what they say, but at least say something.
I for the moment, the 4 bitches that I have there, there are

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# 3, cucumber

October 23, 2008, at 11:43.

or g7, nor elg20asusta to banks, has already been seen.
and less zp

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# 4, Sephyrot

October 23, 2008, at 11:45.

Unfortunately the times with low interest rates and easy borrowing reminds me of an event held:

"The time to increase affluent idiots."

Denis Diderot (Langres 1713 - Paris 1784)
The nephew of Rameau (1821)

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# 5, Anonymous

October 23, 2008, at 11:46.

Too bad not being able to put a positive Droblo article

Amen!

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# 6, ruin Solbes zp

October 23, 2008, at 11:47.

# 2, Architect Honored
click on this link, and ....

An error occurred processing on the server when the URL.

yourself, I perfiero Spanish banks. greetings

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# 7, Kane

October 23, 2008, at 11:48.

The truth is that you have noses that one of the main causes of this crisis is the lack of money and trust.

Lack of money we're going to leave it aside, but the lack of confidence is fairly easy solution. I do not trust the bank because they do not have the money, or late payments, or whatever. Well, that once obligations but really the banks to indicate that the data can be suspicious to the others.

The truth is that you can then in practice the ideas we have all in the forum were shit, but there are no days that do not assume that we are proposing some ideas that really are better than they do or simply that they are better than do nothing.

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# 8, so be it

October 23, 2008, at 11:53.

100% agree.
That heads roll YA!

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# 9, Krack

October 23, 2008, at 11:54.

ING few months ago appeared in the dam as one of the banks did in August with the lack of liquidity, precisely because its deposits were allowing him to provide. We understand only too well that does not understand anything:
¿Anonymity and rescues? Truth and responsibility, of course, yes, Droblo!

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# 10, Pirita

October 23, 2008, at 11:56.

The Ibex 35 breaks the annual minimum and speeds up losing the 8700 points

And said that he would go up by 30% jajajaja

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# 11, Poor Hablador

October 23, 2008, at 11:56.

# 2 # 6

Today, ING has released 3 years differential stable lowest of the month, 4760% and the lowest of the month Euribor. What I continue since the beginning of the month, and I have all the values contained in a table and graph comparing them with each other excel.

Today the difference between Euribor and is stable in 0300. Curiously, the difference between the average Euribor and stable is 0329. I think that it is no relationship, especially given the graphics.

If anyone is interested in the values to compare himself to me and ask for the copy in another post.

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# 12, rcalber

October 23, 2008, at 11:58.

Ojito, who are throwing many accounts in order to save the banks, for the moment, the government's plan will lead to the plundering MAYOR TO MIDDLE CLASS OF HISTORY.

For now, the budget includes two additional provisions that pose a retirement cuts of passive classes between 25 and 45%, within and I repeat of the budgets of law, without a fair public parliamentary debate, by the back door and with obscurantism, in contravention of the Doctrine of the Constitutional Court, which will not resolve constitutional motion until passed BETWEEN 5 AND 7 YEARS.

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# 13, Pedro

October 23, 2008, at 11:58.

... More clear we can not say. CHAP.

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# 14, Txus

October 23, 2008, at 12:00.

Hi Droblo,

Some dates in the article are confused and they say 2007 instead of 2008.

On the other hand, all this has been done in order to swell the pockets of very few, who now take care of their chair.
I read the other day that France had been forced to give up privileges to those who helped ...

Greetings

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# 15, funcionator

October 23, 2008, at 12:01.

Droblo you that you better Conces the world from within.

You know without U.S. has formed an awareness and public pressure strong enough to finally ending wheel heads roll they deserve?

To me of all that has happened, such impunity, such brazenness with which these characters we are wavering, especially as the directors of AIG, is what makes me blood boil.

Everything else (management errors, risks, recklessness, etc.). Is very serious, but I can half understand the binge of greed and the pressure of "success" of an environment. Now they spit in our face and we are above that Meena did not.

If for when all this calms down and allow States to focus more on prosecuting and regulate whatever it takes to get to these children of P. in prison actually do good. I would think that will happen. But if you do not, and does not assemble a chicken scandal in the street is that what we deserve.

Nobody understands me wrong, and neither are offended, or accused me of lack of human sensitivity, or anything like that. But I do not understand that when things happened as the 11-F demonstrations were organized with the participation of millions of people in the street and I think that nothing has happened.

Salu2

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# 16, Carlos Lopez

October 23, 2008, at 12:01.

The article was published in error for a couple of minutes on Monday, hence the first two reviews are dated from that day.

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# 17, trust us

October 23, 2008, at 12:02.

In my view or not to trust in banking for consumers is not the case, it is they who are suspicious of them, for it will be something ... I guess it's good that the government guarantees certain amounts for savers, this is good, and that mansalva to inject money so they can give credit, but by God to use the money for it and with much control and transparency, because what can not be, is that a disaster of this kind in which we have all been deceived by finish rewarding the rich and hang a little more to the poor. Is that if you press me I did not give it a penny to the bank, which solves the same market as that generated them, I would worry me as a government to inject money into companies through public funds to private companies to ensure employment and thus the growth of my country. Is that in the end I think these people are going to bring that money to draw and we are going to finish worse than we are ....

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# 18, MrY

October 23, 2008, at 12:04.

Do NOT seek any responsibility because they are the same, politicians, judges, bankers, businessmen will bark but not bite, they all have mutual interests. The only people that lose poor pringaos us that we are in this world to serve them ...

A guillotine ALL!

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# 19, Carlos Lopez

October 23, 2008, at 12:04.

# 15, funcionator
I believe banks should give some sign of humility and guilt, albeit only for improving the image to your clients and society. I know that the aid is necessary but because it comes from my salary I want you to good use.
For example in the company I work because of the crisis, will throw 15% of the employees but how many staff reductions have announced the banks / insurers?.
If you could give a picture of humility, even if only as a marketing strategy ...

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# 20, JOHN

October 23, 2008, at 12:06.

When you arrive Obama and his cut heads!

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# 21, Osecianez

October 23, 2008, at 12:08.

This situation the only thing that is taught to distrust all of all ....
so sorry for the polls to donations that are in offices of banks, airports ...
I feel sorry for my friends ... .. pq can not provide even a penny ... ..
I feel sorry for the bars .... or one cent tip ...
I feel sorry for the supers ... ... change ... to the last penny.

It's sad, but who is deceiving whom?
Leading by example?

We are in a selfish world, cold, calculating and fake ... but ... not want to see him. Pq there is so blind as those who will not see ....
I do not care who resign or not, pq think what we will do what they think will give them the real win! and if they do not like them ha'ran those who come back ....

Thanks to the Euribor I'm not more negative today ... .. and I told you we could not be so bad this bug !!!!!

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# 22, Lopez juanfer

October 23, 2008, at 12:09.

# 19, JOHN

If Juan, yes, cut heads ... and the same roll of our own way. Not so long ago I heard about "When the U.S. sneezes Europe get colds." In order ...

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# 23, pepelu

October 23, 2008, at 12:10.

hello to all Forero.
Long ago I read this forum but not yet written Havi no comment.
I am self-employed on their own, creating my micro (I'm alone) does little more than a year.

It is sad to have to live like the current economic situation, which I believe will go down in history.

My obligation is to fight with all my strength to go forward because I am responsible for my family and I can not fail.
It is my responsibility and I expect no aid from anyone.

I think we Currito are the ones who draw the country forward as always, we will pay the dishes as usual, and we regret for the ruling classes as usual.

You have to be positive, do not lose hope and fight every day.

Incidentally, I also have mortgage and also am one of those who look at the graph of the Euribor, and strength to get off that

Greetings

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# 24, Pin

October 23, 2008, at 12:13.

Very good article, and totally agree, there has to be responsible, although they are scapegoats, but someone has to take responsibility.

Regarding the liquidity crisis and the tensions it causes, I would like someone to explain to me why do I have ke pay my mortgage through the mistrust between banks is yes, I can not order directly from my mortgage loan to the ECB?

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# 25, injustice

October 23, 2008, at 12:14.

Pepelu Hey, I think an injustice, which is always equal prize for prodigal sons and punishment for that was always with her father, is not fair and the market will punish it and I think we are not going to leave all with it because the law of supply and demand sends, and that you can not stop either the Government or the tycoons, and mistakes can be Expensive everywhere. Unfortunately is not the same as paying them a miserable part of its debt, which you pay that same amount for you is your life.

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# 26, FJ

October 23, 2008, at 12:15.

From my infinite ignorance, there are many things I do not understand. But yes I see how ordinary people we can be without a job, how do we deny a claim, constantly losing purchasing power, and at the same time, we must, through our tax money to those who are robbing us. To those who "play" with our money, we must also pay, there is no way to avoid it? Is there someone or something that we "protect?" As one co-worker, it is best to get back the money in the mattress, a bank does not give me anything, and above, I steal.
Greetings to everyone, and thanks for the blog.

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# 27, Salvador

October 23, 2008, at 12:15.

Bravo, bravo, Bravissimo !!!!! And I'm not Briattore congratulating Fernando Alonso. But it is high time that qualified as the voices of Droblo call the honesty and accountability to a few scoundrels and defend demanding the truth to many that we are being misled and manipulated and grossly clumsy.

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# 28, bloval

October 23, 2008, at 12:16.

As of Union Fenosa what they already done so anything that does not fall despite the collapse of Ibex, I take days waiting to enter and not just fall ...

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# 29, JOHN

October 23, 2008, at 12:17.

# 22

To be honest, from what Obama is not as clear as it appears in the U.S. in Europe, so I do not believe that the same people who are in power in the U.S. and that have allowed these violations will lose their per Seat "Moral Ethics", which as we all know they do not know what it is ..

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# 30, funcionator

October 23, 2008, at 12:19.

# 18, Carlos Lopez

I agree. These are minimum requirements.

Anyway, although not very well what I said I wanted to go into the merits of the issue that ultimately even in Spain, like most countries, we have every right to ask direct responsibility to USA.

What they have done their managers described it as someone very acutely at the time as "financial terrorism", hence my allusion to 11-MY is that it is just that, no more, no less.

The performance of these bastards has caused executives to genuine human misfortune to many families and individuals, all by a few degrees of greed and ambition perverse.

The U.S. government is 100% as long as the regulatory framework has developed, or rather destroyed from the 80 which had, and has allowed so this has been done with the blessing of law.

In the Spanish case has generated a distortion that costs us many individuals and business owners an eye on his face each month, many businesses and ultimately his death many individuals a personal situation horrible to bear.

I wonder and I look very radical: to the irresponsibility of the proceedings and the seriousness of the facts, would not be entirely justified in claiming even the fund repairs to the U.S. and other countries who have acted well and that we are doing so much damage, just like I will in due course after the 1st world war?

Seem an absurd, but think about it either. Like it is not so much in the background and the problem is more that the problem is so new we have not quite thoroughly and we have not yet reached any conclusions that could be reached.

Salu2

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# 31, txus

October 23, 2008, at 12:20.

Let us not forget that these people are friends of politicians, so we are not going to betray them. Wait time to calm the waters. And serve is a weapon that most people know, that is the frailty of human memory. We forget too quickly (what psychologists know well).
So justice is done and now, or we forget forever.
And you'll see.

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# 32, O

October 23, 2008, at 12:20.

Carlos L, the problem is that while banks provide regulation, they would not affect the directors, but, as always, the poor currela stop ...

A commentary, for all those who stand fast on the downhill Housing: Have you thought that in addition to the speculators (which will be less and it will be well covered) this fall would seriously affect lots of people on foot, which is not that No longer can sell their house or sell it worth less and still have debt to the bank (if you agree). And also affect every mortgage we have signed in recent years, and that (not as) we have a clause in our scriptures that says that if the house falls below 80% of the value of the valuation at which you granted the mortgage, the bank may require you to guarantee the remaining 20% with other assets that need to offer as collateral. (And I say that because I do not compromise the bike or tricycle from my daughter, no guarantees that I will have to make. ...).
And for he who does not know what is a very common calusula unfortunately ... (another example of the abuse of banks ...)

I really I hope that this will not last too, but the reality is that every day I see more people looking in the containers.

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# 33, kerok

October 23, 2008, at 12:25.

s greetings to everyone ... is me, or I start to see very relaxed the Euribor curve?

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# 34, Pilar

October 23, 2008, at 12:26.

Hello!
Great article but I think for me a couple of ideas occur to you that I give below, although I am not an expert.
If all these mangantes end up in jail, as recently, returned the money Mangado? As investments and not be money for them, because if you do not go well ... nothing happens. But in my job if I am not a finished product in the P ** a street over and it is my turn cover losses caused.
The meeting of G20; anyone has stopped to think that hence the solution that leaves, leaves tainted from the outset? On the date of application, we would go up next year so the U.S. president that Bush is not implemented, the next will not, the president of the EU that the ZP is implemented, it will not. Thus: that if I do not like what was agreed on the form or substance, that if you apply it in today, tomorrow, past, that if ...
Meanwhile the experienced workers, who are working and are not already in the queue of unemployment, which for that Solbes has already been budgeted, we will be paying the SUELDAZOS for these suckers solves nothing. That's my opinion.

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# 35, juanjix

October 23, 2008, at 12:28.

I find it particularly appropriate content and tone of the article since it puts the finger on the sore. The banks are the people and the top executives are equally the most responsible for what happens. I think we have to ask personal responsibilities, but the bank is not evil. And if it is it is a necessary evil although we are yet. When people drop raises the financial system as a positive thing I tell you, when you take your plants mattress these savings to take responsibility for that every month you should handle the personal payment of heating, electricity and others. They assume that you can not pay the payroll because the cash that a company would need as it would make. In the end though hurt us in some facets of the business, banks should remain and we will not go back to the nineteenth century or the spinning wheel.

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# 36, ahorradiño

October 23, 2008, at 12:28.

# 24, Pin
"Regarding the liquidity crisis and the tensions it causes, I would like someone to explain to me why do I have ke pay my mortgage through the mistrust between banks is yes, I can not order directly from my mortgage loan to the ECB? "

And I wonder why the banks give me less interest in the CPI and the actual inflation? They are stealing a portion of your savings continuously.

When signing a variable rate mortgage to run that risk, each year 12 months the bank has to look at this liquidity in the market like this, when they signed a variable further assumed that risk in the market.

Someone who recruits a mortgage to fixed wonder, why I am going to hire a fixed mortgage at 5.5% if variable rate is always at the bottom? it is assumed that because the probability that the Euribor this to 4% should be the same for this to 7%

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# 37, and that's all friends

October 23, 2008, at 12:29.

Congratulations for the article, in a nutshell what we think it says a lot of people.

now a stick, I think that the format of the first article batons and then I do not like anything Now where I still write in this forum or in the past?

THE BEST OF BEFORE.

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# 38, Dr. Evil

October 23, 2008, at 12:29.

# 28, bloval
Are there any target date for the tender offer and UF?
Thank you

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# 39, AND THAT IS ALL FRIENDS

October 23, 2008, at 12:30.

I mean BEST SYSTEM EVER FORUM

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# 40, LUCANERO

October 23, 2008, at 12:30.

The usual. Privatize profits, socialize losses. Enroll merits and blur responsibilities.
greetings.

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# 41, Javier

October 23, 2008, at 12:31.

Good,

Creo que la época de crisis ha terminado, vamos terminó el día que bajaron los tipos , ahora hay que esperara que la inercia actue , baje el euribor, y bajen las cuotas mensuales ( luego saldrán las típicas noticias de , bajada de 80 euros en una hipteca media de 150.000 a 25 años ), las bajadas harán que se reactive la economia ( somos así ).

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# 42 , Godoelfeo

23 de Octubre de 2008, a las 12:32.

Muy bien resumido el sentimiento que tenemos muchos ciudadanos de a pie.

Me siento totalmente indignado, y si tuviene que preparar una redacción como la que has hecho estaría llena de sapos y culebras.

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# 43 , jlumietu

23 de Octubre de 2008, a las 12:34.

# 30 , ARA

Que una burbuja explote no es el problema, es la consecuencia del verdadero problema, que es que se hinchó hasta límites insostenibles.

Y mira, no deseo mal a nadie, pero quien no escuchaba hasta hace dos o tres años aquello de “metete ahora que dentro de una año no podrás”, “hay que invertir en ladrillo” -textual-, gente que te trataba de pobre y/o bobo por no poder o no querer meterte, que te miraba con una mueca de superioridad (por supuesto no eran todos, pero si unos cuantos)… Ahora agachan la mirada… y eso que no voy nunca a hacer sangre…

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# 44 , jamesjoung

23 de Octubre de 2008, a las 12:34.

Estoy de acuerdo con rcalber, lo que quiere hacer nuestro amigo zapatero con el recorte de las pensiones de las clases pasivas es inacmisible e intolerable, esta gente del psoe que tanto de izquierdas dice que es y que en teoria apoya a la clase trabajadora, le regala el dinero a los “pobres” bancos ya gente con discapacidades le quiere recortar la pensión entre un 25 a un 45%, menos mal que no iban a hacer recortes sociales, la gente en esa situación no le va a quedar mas remedio que ir a pedir a la puerta de la iglesia, pero hasta eso ahora esta dificil, que hay mucha gente necesitada y poca gente generosa.
Esperemos que la coherencia se imponga y este recorte de las pensiones no salga adelante, más aun de la manera que lo hacen con una disposición adicional en los presupuestos generales del estado, para aprobarlo rapidamente, sin debate social ni sindical, puñalada por la espalda a los discapacitados, sigue asi zapatero que con las politicas que sigues nos vas a hacer a todos millonarios, te estas luciendo, iluminado.

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# 45 , ahorradiño

23 de Octubre de 2008, a las 12:41.

# 40 , Javier

La bajada de tipos sin que existan reformas importantes del sistema actual activara de nuevo la economía cigarra consumista, es decir, mas de lo mismo que nos trajo a esta crisis, pero en cada ciclo en el que se pongan los tipos de interés reales negativos nos vamos más al hoyo los mas pobres y la riqueza sobre todo ficticia se concentra en menos manos.

La riqueza no la crea el consumir por consumir.

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# 46 , Mazinger

23 de Octubre de 2008, a las 12:43.

La ley de la oferta y de la demanda es la culpaple de la crisis, en relación al precio del dinero ya la publicidad incitadora de comprar. Ahora el dinero está caro y no disponible amén de la publicidad negativa. El hecho de que no esté disponible es la propia crisis y por este único motivo es el estado quien debe aportar liquidez, ya que es uno de los principales beneficiarios de la burbuja inmobiliaria. No está la cosa tan negra como la pintan y lo que hay que hacer es un reorden laboral y más seriedad a todos los niveles, empezando por la tv y acabando por las personas que hacen comentarios en internet y en los foros.
Un ex-ministro, para quien le pueda interesar.

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# 47 , Jorge

23 de Octubre de 2008, a las 12:43.

Lo que yo no entiendo es que si el gobierno le presta dinero a los bancos para que tengan liquidez y nos puedan prestar dinero, ¿por qué no nos lo prestan directamente a los ciudadanos y pymes? Si nos lo prestaran al precio del dinero (3.75 ahora mismo) y nos olvidáramos del EuRIBOR, muchas familias podrían hacer frente a los pagos de forma más holgada, no habría tanta morosidad, etc.

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# 48 , Javier

23 de Octubre de 2008, a las 12:46.

Buenas,

No hablo de consumir por consumir, ni comprar compulsivamente o porque el vecino lo compra, pero si comprar lo que necesitas y estabas prolongando, eso hará que se vuelvan a vender coches, y los trabajadores puedan trabajar, etc, etc.

Creo que se va a notar, y esta nochevieja , aunque habrá mucha carta y mucha pipa, la gente saldrá a celebrar la bajada de tipos

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# 49 , droblo

23 de Octubre de 2008, a las 12:46.

Juan, en USA tienen tan claro que gana Obama, mira http://www.intrade.com y comprueba las apuestas…85% a favor de Obama y sólo 15% de Mc Cain, y se juegan el dinero, no son preguntas al teléfono.

Y si quieres fíjate el alto porcentaje de posibilidades que dan a que haya recesión en USA en 2009

Otelo, no se sabe la fecha de la opa de UNF pero no más tarde de abril.

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# 50 , FRAN

23 de Octubre de 2008, a las 12:47.

No hace mucho escuché decir a un defensor a ultranza del libre mercado porqué no actuaba el Estado!!!

¿ Hasta que se les ayude y pidan otra vez libertad ?

¿Ayuda cuando están necesitados y libertad para cuando hayan mamado lo suficiente?

No me gusta la política, pero ayer Pizarro dijo algo que tendría que ser un axioma: las empresas que vayan mal que tiren de sus Reservas, a continuación de su Capital Social y si no hay más, pues hasta mañana…

Las medianas y pequeñas empresas que somos las que tiramos de este país, esa máxima la tenemos escrita en la puerta todas las mañanas y el día que se cierra el grifo en muchas de nuestras empresas nos vamos todos!!!.

De acuerdo Droblo, que no quede ni un solo directivo de todas las empresas grandes que son a las que vamos a tener que ayudar, porque de las pequeñas…

Saludos, y euribor down, down!!!

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