The crudíveros and banks.

Not so long ago I saw in several ways irrelevant the news about the "crudívoros," some individuals quite peculiar because although not vegetarians in your life have never tried a roast lamb because they eat raw food. Many, they are still more pure and who practice naturism. As you can see a pelín away from our concept of life but despite everything, including such "tribes" it would very difficult to live without banks, so for this rescado this interesting article Can we dispense with the banks?

In a recent report by the Bank of Spain payment means that no more than 3% of financial operations in our country are paid in cash. The organization puts the direct debit of receipts to the head (46%), followed by debit cards and credit (31%), transfers (16%) and checks (4%), with the exception that in terms amount of the transfers highlighted with 76% of the total. However, despite these figures, the answer to the question of whether one can live without having any relationship with the bank, no doubt entails: Yes, it can be. No one can force a citizen to pay a receipt within its account, or to collect their payroll in the same way. In any case, the right thing to reflect on the "bank" of our life would ask: Is it wants to live without money in the bank?

Perhaps out briefly in new tribes called "efectívoros" which dispense entirely of banking services, but in that case I fear that will not reach too far.

When we read the news about the aid going to the banks, we took away their hands to his head thinking about why we give them, not to citizens. Unfortunately, banks are required in the world in which we live, both for the development of trade as to the proper functioning of businesses and consumers What would an airline without a bank to make a loan or ask the leasing of a airplane? And a car factory that wanted to invest in new machines? And for us, that we would have to buy the car for cash?

As we can see, this is a necessary evil and though escuezan certain steps I fear that something must be done in order not to sink the boat we are in, but let's see what other measures may have been in a crisis like this, we go for it a cast in black and 7 years we traveled back and a voice-over, hand in hand with Droblo tells us ....

11 S-2001 accelerated the downward trend in interest rates and, as has happened recently with the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers, persuaded the authorities of the magnitude of the crisis and the need for extraordinary measures. This not only caused a sharp drop in interest rates, also keeping an excessive time in a move that should have been exceptional and temporary. The positive effect of these low rates was that the money flowed much more and revived the economy: more and more consumer spending and public finances (delighted with this) lower interest payments. The negative was twofold: the rising price of many nonsensical assets (from the shares to the oil passing through the house or rice) and the need for many banks to use financial engineering to increase profits, since the low rates reduced differentials and increasing the volumes of their speculation.

The consequences already know (summarizing far): Many individuals, many firms and many banks (and many states, remember the huge U.S. deficits) have been indebted in excess and the effect of globalization have infected their problems at all.

The credit crisis has led to the extreme opposite: nobody wants to lend money to anyone and do not care if the rates are high or low. That is the big topic of discussion: How out of the crisis without funding the projects, without a capital to build a housing development or a company or to hire more people? If private banks are reluctant to do so, there is only one option: that the state itself, will supply liquidity to the company.

It is admirable the value of the USA, and more with its macro figures, jugándosela to fix this situation by committing the income of its citizens for years but saving a certain banks, they will get back to grant credits, that people dare to mortgaged for decades, that companies are betting on a revival in consumption and create employment? I doubt very much that this is the way to get money to the society.

Many analysts talk about this crisis in the past but I do not think confidence has returned or will return in a long time with what is the whiting that bites its tail: do not invest for fear of losses and investment losses are irremediable. And for those states that means less income for VAT and indirect taxes and more spending on social security cover ... I believe it is imperative to reach liquidity is made to society and I can think of only one way: drastically reducing taxes and thus assuming the Kingdom Spanish-up to be returned via more economic activity, the task of debt by its citizens. If the money goes to households that have more cash we consume more and / or reduce our debts but if, like USA, is intended to buy the "pufos" of banks and savings, will only be achieved some few "save your ass."

PD. Contrary to what many believe-states and their governments are the first beneficiaries of low interest rates. There is no greater debtor in the world that the USA and certainly the largest of Spain is the Kingdom of Spain. From there you sterile polemics of the PP-PSOE policy on the budget surplus or not because the money must be, What does it matter that a year accounts are positive? If I permitís an expression very castiza: this is the chocolate of the parrot. Here are the details:

The debt issued by the Spanish state totaled 303,618 million euros on March 31 this year, to which were added to the state government, local councils, or that of Renfe RTVE (which is debt backed by the state) and so on. A roughly we can say that each must Spanish and 8,000 euros to pay some interest a year, assuming an average rate of 5% of that debt, of about 400 euros.

Euribor 12 months to a lower, therefore, is something very beneficial for the states that emit almost every week new public debt.

And stop closing, the usual summary of the press in a relatively quiet day:

1 Star2 Stars3 Stars4 Stars5 Stars (1 votes, average: 4 out of 5)
Loading ... Loading ...

Written by Carlos and Droblo on October 15, 2008 with 354 points.



Pages: [1] 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 '

354 reviews

Read the comments left by other users below, or:

Pages: [1] 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 '

# 1, Valencia

October 15, 2008, at 9:25.

Good morning, everyone,

someone I could say that is exactly the 3-month Euribor?
Thank you very much.

Add karmaSubtract karma +0

# 2, bloval

October 15, 2008, at 9:28.

Fitch puts in a negative SAN by monitoring the risks they're taking OCN Sovereign and the British banking ... Phew

The 3-month Euribor is the average rate of supply among commercial banks in this period, there is usually used for IRS and other products including but not very often improtante for Currito.

Add karmaSubtract karma +8

# 3, Euribor up up!

October 15, 2008, at 9:28.

/ / / /

Good morning ...

The last good day in 2008 that I give to you cloperos. I leave the boat for a while. For personal reasons I have decided to depart opinion (yes I am going to read, I learn a lot from you, of ALL). But it will not be forever. Rather it will be until we are in hell. And I will come back when it is a fact of our lives ... where unemployment reaches 15%. At that time I will come back to see that the time has put everything in place. I estimate that Easter will come back. I hope to see you all here. And that new forum that will be hooked to many more than now.

We thank all those that have not used the insult to attack me and you understood my position of the maximum savings and consumption just as vital and necessary.

My last advice: do not be centréis in the Rescue Plan, nor in the bag, or in the Euribor. All this does not control and can not in our hands ... and also the rich are using to sidetrack from what is really important. Our real concern is unemployed and the excessive consumption that we have. The working class and currante must focus on the latter.

If my decision to go for a while ... I beg you happy with a POSITIVE votéis this post.

So I see it fulfilled two things: one, thankful that I see my demise of the forum because I do not want to see either in painting and two, reality shall do my last will ... that people can see my "advice savings" if the fact implement any.

Thank you very much and see you soon (unfortunately ... because 15% unemployment is very close). Do not forget. When we get to 15% ... WILL RETURN. I hope to see you all safe and sound.

Finally, greetings to all, especially Attila, Fyahball, Carsola (the best), Copero, rented saver, Almeria, explained, Minotaur, village people, and that is all friends, kokito, canyago, harryhaler, manonegra and co. I think I (my opinion), they do not tell the truth and say things according to their interest. Keep well. Here are a follower you.

Again, greetings and thanks!! And sorry for being heavy. (Alaa!! I'm going! Now you can uncork the champagne ... always Catalan cava, not champagne.)

------------

Here my input bit to get cut costs that I believe without:

1) Reduction / Elimination of defects (This point is worth two! Do not spend on snuff, pastitas, bar ... and on top of our health benefits significantly)

2) Reduction of leisure (Go to the movies, restaurants, clubs, shopping ... if we hold our consumerist spirit and just do these things once a month we save a lot)

3) When going to throw petrol ... fill up the tank top! (I've seen people who travels 5 miles to go throw gasoline and then he misses only 20 euros ... with that within 2 days you have to go again! Unnecessary expenditure miles)

4) Run with less car, truck or motorcycle ... (If we're going to 100km / h on motorway / freeway / national spend half that if we go to 140 km / h ... a tank will last us a lot more if we apply techniques "reduction consumer "as: acelerones not hitting, not stepping on the accelerator more than half of the pedal ...)

REFUELING cheaper: http://geoportal.mityc.es/hidrocarburos/eess/

5) Buying on the Internet (I buy clothes on Ebay for 30/40 euros ... exactly the same as being there in the shop for 100/150 euros!! First I am going to the store and I try the clothes. When I know the size that I do well in that pledge, and I go looking in the ebay ... and if I find ... vegetables! the buy (I come from Asian countries) and savings INCREDIBLE!. ... By the way the clothes that are in the Stores do not believe that it is MADE IN SPAIN ... MADE IN CHINA ... is like that ... I buy so I set the benefit they get will be ... ... Greed!)

6) When you go to make the purchase ... what you're looking for and buying in quantities OFFER you can take advantage of that price (I, for example, I like much juice ... because if I see any offer 2 x 1 I bought 10 packages and draft a month with this juice ... and when the milk is equal to (do anything in the milk was Caprabo 2 × 1 and bought 10 bricks of 6 liters ... bringing the liter, where previously 70 cents / liter, I I've got 35 cents / liter) and with All that can be.)

7) Before you buy anything ... 3 times if you think it is really necessary ... and if you think 4 times the price we are asking is worth it and if not cheaper elsewhere.

8) Reduce spending on water (turn off the tap when not to use the water ... especially in the shower. There are people, and much, that while soap leaves the TAP OPEN ...! Hacedme please turn off the tap! Al style "BANK". Jeje!) Also when you brush your teeth ...

9) If your partner spends much at all this ... try dialogue with him / her to understand that it is not necessary to dispense live. And they consume does not give happiness. It is better for the relationship of a couple walking hand in hand agarraditos and commenting on what it is the beautiful landscape that does not buy a perfume or a jewel or a watch ...

10) To eliminate share gym (well you can go running through the city park ... and if you do it with your partner better than best! You put on a free)

11) Reducing the cost of telephone / mobile (not call for spouting how "I'm coming." Using the SMS. No games downloaded to your phone! They are a jets and a scam. Do not participate in competitions ... "sends a message to 5555 and win a car or a dog pilot ... ") (between my girlfriend and I spend 40 euros per month)

12) Have a good mood and wanting to get up LIVE (spend less if we live with joy and good humor).

13) Do not buy anything in the stores of gas stations. Theft is a fully fledged ... everything costs twice that in a supermarket ... LADRON neither more nor less.

14) Do not compréis the newspaper: leedlo internet (the general sports + = 2 € a day that means a saving of more than 60 € per month).

15) No fuméis ..., the snuff is very expensive. At the time of my grandfather that if he could smoke, it was good and cheap.

16) To drive with the windows closed.

17) Turn off the lights when we are in a room (not obsessed).

18) Do not be two hours in the shower but the time needed (saving water and gas)

19) Review the bank to detect commissions strange, that banks are fairly given to these things. AND NEVER be taken not in the red to avoid fees for overdrafts.

20) Regularly review the pressure of the tires of the car.

21) Learn how to make the maintenance of the car. It is not very difficult and you dough save. Change air filter, oil filter ... The spare you can get in specialty stores.

22) Buy a machine to cut his hair and arréglatelo yourself. The recovered very soon.

23) Learn how to make the quick house and save you the call for assistance.

24) The most important thing: every night, just before sleep, rezarle to MACARENA few "Our Father." I think Carsola recommends it.

*********************************

AND IN RIO:

-) In the evenings, go to the mall to taste all the tastings and so you save the snack.

-) Steal toilet paper from the office, every day you take a roll and that you save.

-) Stealing sugar bars. Note: the bar is only going to accompany a friend to take something, but that does not come out profitable. You have to take a friend from work that is consumerist, but you can not count your theories will not be saving you the hassle plan.

-) Take all gels / soaps from hotels. You can also try to meet the lady of the cleaning and when to leave the cart only to give the assault total.
Note: This only applies if you travel for business or invite you, but also profitable exits.

-) Pins to friends, you can go for a drink with friends (dinner is more profitable) and say that you've forgotten your wallet and you pay for another day, then do not call him again and in peace.
Note: incoveniente as you can stay without friends, but enjoy entertainment without spending anything.

-) Steal clothing that is left in the container of the parish, it's likely that it is received not need it and this leaves a lot cheaper to buy in any store or on Ebay.

-) Dine little bit. What you save on paper and lose weight if you're on top Gordin!

-) Listen to the new release in the exhibitors of music stores. What to buy?

-) Read hat in the Cortinglés, the FNAC or the like. Why spend money on books?

-) Donate blood. In addition to making a good play because you save the dinner you get sandwiches and soda.

-) Not bebais mirindacola, cacaolats and other crap. Drink water, and tap. So rather ahorrareis pasta.

-) Do not buy chocolate. If you want chocolate with your friends go to a cafe. You do not take anything, (pa to spend?) But your colleagues will give you a chocolate bar with coffee (in places much they do, you must choose the proper cafeteria). Politely ask them if you can give.

-) Also decided to ask double that of sugar, and you bear it.

-) In many bars and leave the oil cruet on the table. Take a couple of bottles always on top, and vaciáis (but not entirely, so it does not note).

-) You can also pick up the paper napkins. Any small savings amount!

*******************************

Greetings and encouragement! I see that everything goes muuucho better and we are getting out of CRISIS (a Child Becerra neither case! Jajaja !!!).

Let's go optimistic!

PS: Greetings and thank Carlos Lopez & droblo ... beautiful place here to have fun with the economy.

What was said: GOOD NIGHT AND GOOD LUCK.

Add karmaSubtract karma -102

# 4, ruin Solbes zp

October 15, 2008, at 9:29.

since we started the stock market in negative, that little bit harder so good.

Add karmaSubtract karma -10

# 5, Juan

October 15, 2008, at 9:31.

# 3, Euribor up up!

To see if there is luck and not come back. More than anything by not seeing unemployment at 15% ...

Add karmaSubtract karma +49

# 6, ruin Solbes zp

October 15, 2008, at 9:34.

# 3, Euribor up up!

q always say diversity is good, everyone should be respected by others, if they do not reach the wrongfulness.
certainly more than you throw in a fault, you lie, and you provoke the response.

I think it is a pity q q is a drainage and street opinion, because he is not like the majority, in order that is not what our beloved Constitution q said.

euribor.com today. is losing a bit of freedom. q I hope some day people can express their thoughts without being persecuted.

a greeting, and see you soon, hopefully, that if, the next is sweeter.

Add karmaSubtract karma +2

# 7, 5% NOW

October 15, 2008, at 9:35.

# 3, Euribor up up!

For my part, neither positive nor negative. I will not follow the game.

You go pretty.

Add karmaSubtract karma +14

# 8, Good Night and Good Luck!

October 15, 2008, at 9:35.

info. Petroleo

PRICE CHANGE% CHANGE TIME
Brent Crude FUTRO (U.S. $ / bbl.) 74,030 $ -0,500 -0.67 02:09

WTI CRUDE FUTURE (U.S. $ / bbl.) 77,940 $ -0,690 -0.88 01:53

According to read news that will paint the Euribor for the beginning of the year at around 4.5%, I do not know, nor those who say it either, but it's a good feeling when everybody talks about it down! What if that (even that was not :-) ) Is that today we will look at 5283%, this rate has come that we close the week at 5%

Fate and to pay the mortgage! :-)

Add karmaSubtract karma +4

# 9, YO SOY EL ... HERE'S NEXT

October 15, 2008, at 9:38.

# 3, Euribor up up!

Friend saying that not coming back until Easter ... and you can sink the bag, the roof of my house or whatever ... that today I'm happy. (Kidding).
Although I do not participate much of the forum (I like to learn more of you) I like to read any kind of comment is not insulting ... yours included.

Add karmaSubtract karma -1

# 10, Solbes ruin zp

October 15, 2008, at 9:38.

Solbes did not say when q down and close your mouth, q can get off.
to say nothing either in unemployment. to climb up the bread.

Add karmaSubtract karma -5

# 11, KO

October 15, 2008, at 9:39.

# 3, Euribor up up!

Well, I hope it will not come back here, not for nothing against you or your billets repetitive, if not for the unemployment rate, hopefully not reach 15% for the good of all.
A greeting.

Add karmaSubtract karma +25

# 12, FERNANDO

October 15, 2008, at 9:39.

Good morning, everyone.

One thing you know, yesterday I felt ashamed of myself.
I've been a months worried about my job, have suspended payments on my company.
I've been worried months and a follow developments in the oil and petrol prices.
I've been a months looking every day of ups and downs of the Euribor.
I've been over a month ago listened to talk of crisis around the world.
I've been watching a months to meet all politicians to provide solutions to the financial crisis.
I've a few days watching as the Federal Reserve injected 700,000 U.S. dollars to rescue banks.
I've been watching a few days as member states of the European Union come together and agree to inject into the market of 2 billion euros in order to overcome the chaos created by some directors and executives should be banned for life and jailed.
But if you really feel shame because yesterday evening on the agenda of Wioming commented that a few months ago the UN asked for help from 19,500 million euros a year to end hunger in the world.
Frankly I think they should get them all in jail.

A SALUTE.

Add karmaSubtract karma +223

# 13, Vitan

October 15, 2008, at 9:41.

Yesterday I read something from a new housing law that provides a fixed rate in exchange for not being able to sell the house (to warrant that your house is normal) and the interest rate differential it assumes the state ... it is true? or was a proposal of the forum?
Thanks guys.

Add karmaSubtract karma +2

# 14, watchmaker

October 15, 2008, at 9:46.

Reading the post of Mr think he Up Up and Down Up lady living in a house without light bulbs, only candles containing the holy week, the water is the rain and the menu of the month depends on the supply of turn of LIDL, I think this month there are 3 x 2 cans of sardines so that the lady is already looking Upupa recipes if anyone knows anything that would be sent.

Some PD giving tips that are practical and caring environment, but you've forgotten that trabajmos to live not live to work, enjoy that life can be wonderful.

Add karmaSubtract karma +22

# 15, Hard to six pesetas

October 15, 2008, at 9:48.

Well, this, that we continue to buy hard-to six pesetas.

Add karmaSubtract karma -8

# 16, Anonymous

October 15, 2008, at 9:50.

But ...
Why leeis to Upupa?
I propose what I do:
Step Olympic him to read it and plug in a negative "utomáticamente."
It is a measure but a little edge is that we can not be wasting time with such things as this.

Upupa Boikot!

Add karmaSubtract karma -13

# 17, Pep M.

October 15, 2008, at 9:50.

For lovers of statistics,

You know yesterday quoted as Upupa?

Of the 336 messages received, 43 of his (12797%)
Average per message: - 15.930

No.. message hour score

(9) October 14, 2008, at 9:37. (-36)
(11) October 14, 2008, at 9:37. (-34)
(16) October 14, 2008, at 9:44. (-30)
(19) October 14, 2008, at 9:49. (-16)
(21) October 14, 2008, at 9:53. (-30)
(32) October 14, 2008, at 10:14. (-28)
(33) October 14, 2008, at 10:16. (-34)
(36) October 14, 2008, at 10:22. (+3)
(87) October 14, 2008, at 11:32. (-15)
(91) October 14, 2008, at 11:36. (-13)
(96) October 14, 2008, at 11:39. (-14)
(98) October 14, 2008, at 11:41. (-16)
(101) October 14, 2008, at 11:44. (-16)
(113) October 14, 2008, at 12:17. (-19)
(116) October 14, 2008, at 12:21. (-27)
(160) October 14, 2008, at 13:20. (-4)
(162) October 14, 2008, at 13:21. (-10)
(164) October 14, 2008, at 13:22. (-2)
(167) October 14, 2008, at 13:25. (-11)
(169) October 14, 2008, at 13:26. (-4)
(175) October 14, 2008, at 13:31. (-12)
(188) October 14, 2008, at 13:44. (-9)
(190) October 14, 2008, at 13:46. (-11)
(196) October 14, 2008, at 13:54. (-15)
(199) October 14, 2008, at 13:56. (-16)
(202) October 14, 2008, at 14:03. (-17)
(206) October 14, 2008, at 14:10. (-19)
(207) October 14, 2008, at 14:11. (-19)
(208) October 14, 2008, at 14:14. (-18)
(212) October 14, 2008, at 14:27. (-15)
(213) October 14, 2008, at 14:33. (-20)
(214) October 14, 2008, at 14:36. (-17)
(215) October 14, 2008, at 14:38. (-25)
(243) October 14, 2008, at 15:39. (-14)
(246) October 14, 2008, at 15:42. (-16)
(247) October 14, 2008, at 15:43. (-11)
(265) October 14, 2008, at 16:20. (-12)
(267) October 14, 2008, at 16:23. (-5)
(270) October 14, 2008, at 16:27. (-8)
(274) October 14, 2008, at 16:32. (-11)
(277) October 14, 2008, at 16:35. (-12)
(279) October 14, 2008, at 16:38. (-8)
(281) October 14, 2008, at 16:39. (-19)

okay to rest a little.

Add karmaSubtract karma +73

# 18, Jon B

October 15, 2008, at 9:53.

# 17, Pep M.
with q produces sepodria spain lift this crisis and many more. without acrimony.
q that there are people very boring

Add karmaSubtract karma +19

# 19, for up up

October 15, 2008, at 9:54.

# 3
that you are really pathetic! apocalyptic speeches of shit, you think we care much or when you go back? really pathetic ... ..

Add karmaSubtract karma +9

# 20, Anonymous

October 15, 2008, at 9:57.

do not you see that is left up up with theirs, that was the talk of the forum and not the topic of the day. there is no better disdain that do not appreciate it.
nor a post but for this man.

Add karmaSubtract karma +22

# 21, learn how to improve

October 15, 2008, at 10:00.

I do not think we have to live without banks to have a better society. There are alternatives. Banks simply need to apply logic and not as abaricia have been doing so far. I do not like the word regulation (though surely many will have to implement banking reforms, as we are talking in the European Union). He would prefer that people and banks learned from this and what is now called ethical banks were banks or banks ... common logic, as I see them.

Add karmaSubtract karma +10

# 22, mortgaged to the bone

October 15, 2008, at 10:01.

For UP UP

Well if you go a few days ... .. will lower the Euribor and the comments of the forum by about 200 messages a day ... jo-jo-jo

For my part I liked to read what they felt, had had the right or wrong, because really who is right? Who is right? To lift and throw the first stone!!

A greeting

PS: Not that I get pq demasido quickly sending messages? Rather, I write little and slowly.

Add karmaSubtract karma +16

# 23, Barans

October 15, 2008, at 10:01.

Today's decline Euribor a year?
What to think, today will be the historic day by applying the discount of 0.5%? We can see it close to 5.1%? greetings to all s.

Add karmaSubtract karma +6

# 24, bloval

October 15, 2008, at 10:02.

1) I vote for leaving and the issue of someone who is happy with the ills of others.

2) Clópez. Today I read the article and I agree: we must ensure that the money gets to the people and the best way is drastically reducing taxes but it is something that does not defend nor the PP but in theory is a typical measure right (which I do not know qqué but usually well).

3) The markets are not so entertaining, one-hour meeting, and less than 2% between maximum and minimum jo ...

Add karmaSubtract karma +2

# 25, Kane

October 15, 2008, at 10:03.

In principle this press release also would make the Euribor take smaller gap with the official rates.

"The ECB has also introduced changes in the interests of different operations. The interest rate on the marginal lending facility, which the ECB provides the money, will be reduced by 1 point on the official interest rate to 0.5 points (thus, stands at 4.25%). "

Add karmaSubtract karma +1

# 26, JavierML

October 15, 2008, at 10:04.

Bloval, Droblo.

I just sell, with a net return of 1.8% in 6 days.

I think there will be further lowered, as Bloval said yesterday. Of course, there are sure that before April, and even January.

Add karmaSubtract karma -2

# 27, watchmaker

October 15, 2008, at 10:04.

As for the Euribor is difficult for the monthly average, which is what matters significantly lower, that is to review even touched them climb something, I hope that in the months to come down significantly and have a breather

Add karmaSubtract karma +7

# 28, MadRAM

October 15, 2008, at 10:09.

# 24, bloval
“2)Clópez., hoy también me leí el artículo y estoy de acuerdo: hay que conseguir que el dinero llegue al ciudadano y la mejor manera es reduciendo los impuestos drásticamente pero es algo que no defiende ni el PP aunque en teoría sea una típica medida de derechas (que no sé por qqué pero suele ser así).”

Deberían bajar impuestos, pero no, al revés, los van a subir. De momento no actualizan las tablas de IRPF con la inflación, con lo cual al que le suban el sueldo con el IPC puede cambiar de tramo y pagar más. Y aumentan el valor catastral de los inmuebles con lo que hay que pagar más IBI. Además está la subida de la luz y el gas. En los gobiernos socialistas cuando hay crisis siempre aprietan con más impuestos para que los ciudadanos sustentemos al estado, es lo que hay.

Saludos a todos.

Add karmaSubtract karma +17

# 29 , Mandy

15 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:10.

Droblo
Acciones de Sovereing a 3.45 y las vendes como SAN.
¿Que problemas ves?

Add karmaSubtract karma -6

# 30 , jumatronic

15 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:11.

Uno de los periodicos de mayor tirada en Alemania titulaba ayer: “Y el dinero sí hace feliz” analizando la repercusión que ha tenido en los mercados las medidas tomadas por los grandes del mundo economico.
Yo personalmente, y no me considero más que un pobre inculto, reconozco haber sentido alivío al ver como arrancaba la semana.
Hoy parece que la tendencia vuelve a ser bajista y vuelve el desconcierto.

Pero, me pregunto, realmente si me es de provecho tanta montaña rusa emocional, si no tengo inversiones, ni grandes ahorros y supuestamente me contrata una empresa consolidada mundialmente?
De todos modos es inevitable preocuparse mientras nos ate el tito Trichet y el Euribor. Pero preocupación no es hundimiento.

Pero esta aquí el día D. ***15/10/08***

Espero un euribor max 5.1 —— Ánimo que de esta salimos.

Add karmaSubtract karma +1

# 31 , V. Gerulaitis

15 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:11.

Los ciudadanos deben: hipotecados por la compra de casas/pisos, vehículos, etc.
Las empresas deben: Inversiones, I+D+I+X, etc.
Los estados deben: Infraestructuras, etc.
Los bancos deben: Activos tóxicos (eufemismo de estafa), necesidad de liquidez, etc.
Todo es deuda.
Todo el mundo debe algo a todo el mundo.
Y cuando parece que todo va a reventar, pues no, se soluciona con más deuda.
De vez en cuando, algo o alguien, por el artículo 34, dice que tú/él/ella/ese/eso debes demasiado y no permiten que te endeudes más, pasando a estar jod.. de por vida, o desapareciendo si se trata de una empresa/sociedad.

Cuando la cantidad de dígitos de deuda sea abrumadora inventaremos una nueva moneda con la que mediremos con dos dígitos lo que con tropecientos dígitos se media en la moneda antigua.
Y a seguir funcionando…
¿En eso consiste el sistema financiero/económico?
¿En endeudarse de manera indefinida, permitiéndoselo a según qué o quién, bajo criterios y normas abstrusas que solo “la élite” impone y entiende?

Ahora lo veo claro.
No tengo ni p.. idea de economía, porque todo esto me parece absurdo, sin sentido.

Salu2.

Add karmaSubtract karma +19

# 32 , KUKU

15 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:12.

Hoy sube el pan……
Zapatero prevé fusiones y reestructuraciones en la banca por la crisis finaciera

Hora: 09:22 Fuente : Europa Press

MADRID, 15 (EUROPA PRESS)

El presidente del Gobierno, José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, indicó hoy que es “probable” que se produzca un proceso de fusiones y reestructuraciones en sistema financiero español, acelerado por la crisis actual, y dijo que, si finalmente se produce “habrá que colaborar para conseguir un mapa más racional, competitivo y eficaz”.

Zapatero aseguró durante su intervención en la sesión de control en el Congreso que el Ejecutivo “no va a señalar con el dedo a ninguna entidad” y subrayó que cualquier proceso de fusión “ha de hacerse bien”.

Asi mismo, el presidente indicó que el sistema financiero español goza de buena salud, ya que es “uno de los pocos países occidentales donde no ha quebrado ninguna entidad”.

Siguiendo la tendencia de sus comentarios y falta de que Solbes haga lo mismo.

1.-En breve tenemos fusiones a mansalva(sobre todo de cajas)
2.-Algunas estan muy cerca de la quiebra,aunque me parece dificil que una caja quiebre en España.Zapatero a hablado y no me fio,si solbes aparece diciendo lo mismo,mala cosa…..

Add karmaSubtract karma +5

# 33 , Anónimo

15 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:13.

Pues hablando del tema del día ,a mí me está costando un güevo y parte del otro haberme vuelto medio “efectivoro” (sólo para lo que me interesa, claro).
Después de varios rebotes por la “inflación” que han reflejado los bancos en sus comisiones bancarias llevo meses:
sin tener tarjetas de credito o debito
ingresar directamente ningun talón
mantener solamente las cuentas en que no puedan cobrarme comisiones.
intentar cobrar personalmente todos los recibos y no llevar a descontar ninguno sino es totalmente imprescindible.

Parecen medidas del decalogo de upup pero os aseguro que (sobretodo con lo de las tarjetas) te ahorras un pastón.

Add karmaSubtract karma +4

# 34 , sapo

15 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:16.

Si alguien cree que el dinero “inyectado” por el Estado va a llegar al ciudadano es un iluso. Ese dinero solo sirve para sanear el balance de los bancos y ayudarles a cumplir con sus vencimientos. Y justito, pues no estan para mas.

Add karmaSubtract karma +14

# 35 , droblo

15 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:16.

Varias cosas: FERNANDO, qué razón tienes y hoy mismo he leido que lo mismo las medidas contra el cambio climático en la UE se postergan por la crisis bancaria.

Una cosa es que el euribor haya cogido tendencia bajista y otra que se tenga que desplomar hoy, no veo por qué, el que se haga hoy wefectiva la bajada de tipos no tiene por qué influir tanto.

Javier Ml, me alegro hayas ganado, yo también veo más bajadas pero hice la inversión somo un depósito a 6 meses que sólo desharé si necesito el dinero para una inversión que considere mejor y además no descarto que las facilidades crediticias actuales de los estados lleven a que se adleante la opa a enero.

Mandy, no he estudiado el trueque exacto de acciones SOV-SAN pero desde que salió la noticia las acciones han caído así que no creo sea tan fácil.Lo estudio y lo digo

Add karmaSubtract karma +4

# 36 , SANDRA

15 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:17.

Buenos dias a todos ¡¡

No tengo ni idea de donde ni cuando nacio esta costumbre/necesidad de depender del dinero de Bancos y financieras para conseguir desde una televison, unos estudios o un coche, pero lo que qui se es que nos quejamos de lo que nosotros mismo hemos permitido.

Yo tengo una hipoteca, con 27 años que tengo es la segunda vez en mi vida que genero deuda. La primera vez fue por comprarme un portatil de 1200 euros que termine pagando a plazos mensuales de 100 euros en 1 año sin intereses en Carrefour y yo tenia los 1200 euros en una cuenta con posivilidad de desenvolsarlos al momento para llevarme mi portatil pero por “comodidad” y porque no me cobraron intereses lo decidi hacer a plazos comodos.

Tambien me compre mi querido coche pagado dinero a tocateja ahorrado duranto 2 años 500 euros mensuales de un salario de 1000 cuando vivia con compañeros de piso en el que pagaba 270 euros por una habitacion, sobreviva con lo restante, 280 euros con los que me aprete el cinturon esos 2 años .

Y los amigos me criticaban… “pero porque sales de cena con nosotros si no tienes gastos ¡¡ no pagas ni 300 euros de piso y no tienes hijos ni deudas sooo racana ¡¡ y de hay se me tacho de usurera… “pero porque no te vienes de vacaciones con nosotros , porque no sales casi nunca, porque no bla bla bla bla bla bla ”
Cuando me compre el coche y se lo presente a mis amigos me preguntaron ¿ya cuanto a cuanto tiempo? cuanto pagas? y disfrute como una niña en un dia de reyes diciendo “NADA”

Ahora despues pense … la unica cosa que no puedo comprar sin generar deuda es un piso y me meti en la hipoteca…. y esa fue mi sentencia de muerte, cuando me puse a echar cuentas me di cuenta de que pagando pagando una media de 1000 euros mensuales de cuota (ahora pago 1200 a medias) por un piso de 200.000 euros a 30 años cuando termine de pagar abre pagado 360.000 euros ¡¡ y todo mi espiritu ahorrador y sacrificado no habra servido para nada.

Pero bueno he aprendido la leccion y despues de 5 años con mi hipoteca he decidido alquilar mi piso y irme a vivir a casa de mi abuela (ella ya no esta alli) donde no pago un duro. Casualmente por cosas de la vida… uno de mis amigos que se rieron tanto cuando no salia ni a cernar por ahorrar para mi coche esta buscando piso de alquiler… jijiji… asi que dejare page él gran parte de mi hipoteca y yo apartir de enconces volvere a ahorrar un poquito… y ahora si… para irme de vacaciones ya cenar cuando me de la gana ¡¡¡

Bueno pues ahi queda, un ahorrador siempre es un ahorrador y la dependencia de credito atraves de deuda es una mala costumbre adquirida, no un echo inevitable.

saludos

Add karmaSubtract karma -9

# 37 , Combita

15 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:19.

Ya se que aqui ni el tato lee el comentario, pero pone donde habla de la deuda : de España el Reino de España, creo que se refiere a Europa.
Saludos y Buenos dias

Add karmaSubtract karma -6

# 38 , MARIA

15 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:20.

Alguien me puede decir si es cierto lo que comenta VITAN ,si es cierto eso de la nueva ley ,por favor informaros y contarme
gracias besitos a todos

Add karmaSubtract karma -4

# 39 , MadRAM

15 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:20.

# 33 , Anónimo

Pues yo tengo 3 visas de crédito, dos del popular y una de ing y 2 4B de débito, una del popular y otra de ing y no me cobran ninguna comisión por ellas. Ni por las cuentas, una del popular para la hipoteca y la otra la naranja y la nómina de ing. En ing tampoco me cobran por las transferencias, en el popular sí. Y en ing me devuelven el 2% de los recibos domiciliados.

Más que quitarse de todo es mejor buscar lo que no te cobra comisión pero sigues disfrutándolo, ¿no?. Mira Ing, Ibanesto y otras que hay por ahí que igual te sale a cuenta.

Un saludo.

Add karmaSubtract karma +5

# 40 , Bhaal

15 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:20.

Hola!!

Lo que más me fastidia es que la gasolina está como sigue,

en Julio, 147$ el barril, la gasolina 95 en Repsol Gesa, carretera de Extremadura a 1,292€/L

En Octubre, ayer mismo, 80$ el barril y la gasolina 95 en Repsol Gesa, carretera de Extremadura a 1,12€/L

Por alguna razón los especuladores, Repsol, el de la gasolinera me roban y no hay crisis suficientemente profunda que se los lleve al infierno, por eso euribor, no bajes, aprietanos a todos hasta reventar, y la banca, por favor, encima de llevarte nuestros intereses, ahora el estado la sostiene, sería mucho mejor que todo el sistema se derrumbase, que para hacerlo mal ya estamos nosotros, ya está bien de pagar a todos sus miserias y que nos hagan el timo de la estampita, ya está bien que los Gobiernos empleen la mano de obra, revolucion, no soy un burro que tira de carro y cuando se vuelve viejo lo matan y trocean para darselo a los perros de comida, por todo eso

Euribor burn them all in hell, especialmente a los banqueros y especuladores, ladrones!

Add karmaSubtract karma +33

# 41 , saspiki

15 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:22.

# 26 , JavierML

Yo compré con la intención de quedarme, pero ha resultado tan extrño que he vendido.
Comisiones y corretajes incluidos:
10/10/08 compra 1.000 Iberdrola 5.222,33€
14/10/08 venta 1.000 Iberdrola 6.443,34€
El TAE de la operación debe ser de record. Que conste que es pura suerte.

Add karmaSubtract karma -3

# 42 , dale a tu cuerpo alegria macarena

15 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:23.

# 38 , MARIA

en vez de escuchar campanas qeu no sabeis donde y preguntar…ya que esa “noticia” es de ayer…pues leeros los mensajes de ayer y vereis que no es ninguna “noticia”, que fue una especie de prueba-tanteo uqe alguien sugirió a los hipotecados. Así no liareis a la gente, que al final se va a hacer una bola de algo que no existe y ya tenemos otra nueva leyenda urbana.

Add karmaSubtract karma +8

# 43 , droblo

15 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:23.

Mandy,
se´gún tengo entendido:
El acuerdo definitivo de la operación establece que los accionistas de Sovereign recibirán 0,2924 American Depository Shares (ADS) de Santander por cada acción ordinaria de Sovereign que posean (o una acción de Santander por cada 3,42 acciones de Sovereign).
Y esto se supone se hará antes de 6 meses:

Luego si SAN cotiza a 10 euros (13.6$) las acciones de Sovereign deberían valer 3.97$, teniendo en cuenta que SAN debe valer 10 euros en el momento del canje que será dentro de 6 meses, que el cambio $-€ no perjudique y el coste financiero que supone mantener las acciones hasta dentro de 6 meses…parece más interesante y con menos riesgo la de UNF pero bueno, es una idea.

Add karmaSubtract karma +1

# 44 , PapaPitufo

15 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:24.

Yo del artículo de hoy me quedo con dos cosas:

La primera, que haya gente que no coma la comida cocinada (la carne vamos), eso demuestra de nuevo que “hay gente pa to”.

La segunda es la noticia de lo del ejército, la virgen… eso demuestra de nuevo que “hay gente pa to”, jeje.

Un saludo.

Add karmaSubtract karma +9

# 45 , gatuso

15 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:24.

# 3 , Euribor up up !!!

Eres más pesado que el cuñado de Rocky

Add karmaSubtract karma +3

# 46 , cesar

15 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:25.

vaya hoy a sonado el despertador y lo primero que he echo a sido mirar por la ventana el dia que hacia….para mi sorpresa un sol radiante….y he pensado hoy va a ser un gran dia me da esa sensacion….la verdad?no se por que pero siento que hoy va a ser un gran dia….segun confidencias que no puedo nombrar hoy el euribor andara sobre el 5.146,aunque repito solo son confidencias…yo voy a ser mas optimista apuesto por el 5.089 aunque la verdad que de ilusiones vive el hombre..que sera…ficcion o realidad?
saludos y abrocharos los cinturones que hoy depegamos hacia un dia bonito.
que pasen un buen dia

Add karmaSubtract karma +6

# 47 , jdx

15 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:25.

siguiendo el hilo del artículo diario…
en esta nuestra comunidad… la mia,tanto de vecinos de bloque, como de parking, hemos pasado el pago mensual, a trimestral, no prescindes del banco por completo, pero bueno, en lugar de 24 recibos, tan solo domiciliamos 8, y supone un ahorro de tramitaciones de 600euros anuales. ahi és nada eh??

ayer decian en unos informativos, que ahora que los ciudadanos con sus impuestos aflojados por el gobierno,para salvar los bancos, de una gestión pésima, y que en lugar de ayudarles deberian encerrarlos entre rejas, como van a “devolver” esa ayuda a los ciudadanos, o mejor dicho, clientes????? y que como puede ser que se les deba ayudar, cuando en los ultimos 5 años, sus beneficios no caben en una libreta normal????????????????????????? LAMENTABLE.

ya nivel personal, protesto porque yo no ayudaría a los bancos con mis impuestos, sino que invertiria en sanidad publica, en parkings publicos, en ayudas para jovenes, reducciones de irpf, ayudas a empresas pequeñas, moderación de impuestos, moderación de precios en carburantes…etc…etc..mirad si hay cosas, y todo esto costaria la mitad que ayudar a estos mangantes,que les va a durar 3 telediarios toda esta inyección de pasta…. esto por no hablar, que con 1/8 parte,se acaba el hambre en el mundo. somos unos monstruos

Add karmaSubtract karma +29

# 48 , JavierML

15 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:30.

#35 Droblo,

Yo lo veo parecido, como preveo bajadas recompraré cuando se produzcan y volveré a vender si veo un pequeño beneficio previo a nuevas bajadas.

La ultima compra intentaré aguantarla hasta la opa.

Add karmaSubtract karma -3

# 49 , UpUp

15 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:32.

////

Buenos días…

Los últimos buenos días de 2008 que os doy cloperos. Abandono el barco por un tiempo. Por motivos personales he decidido apartarme de dar opinión (sí voy a seguir leyendo, aprendo mucho de vosotros, de TODOS). Pero no será para siempre. Más bien será hasta que nos veamos en el infierno. Y volveré cuando un dato esté entre nuestras vidas… cuando el paro alcance el 15%. En ese momento volveré para ver que el tiempo ha puesto cada cosa en su sitio. Calculo que en Semana Santa volveré. Espero veros a todos aquí. Y que los nuevos que vayan enganchándose al foro sean muchos más que ahora.

Os doy las gracias a todos los que no habéis utilizado el insulto para atacarme y habéis entendido mi postura del ahorro máximo y del consumo de sólo lo imprescindible y necesario.

Mi último consejo: no os centréis en el Plan de Rescate, ni en la bolsa, ni en el Euribor. Todo eso no lo controlamos ni está en nuestras manos… y además los ricos lo están utilizando para despistarnos de lo que realmente es importante. Nuestra verdadera preocupación está en el PARO y el exagerado CONSUMO que tenemos. La clase trabajadora y currante debemos centrarnos en esto último.

Si mi decisión de irme por un tiempo os alegra… os ruego votéis con un POSITIVO este post.

Así veré cumplido dos cosas: uno, veré que agradecéis mi desaparición del foro porque no me queréis ver ni en pintura y dos, haréis realidad mi última voluntad… que la gente pueda ver mis “consejos de ahorro” por si considera el hecho de aplicar alguno.

Muchas gracias y hasta pronto (lamentáblemente… porque el 15% de paro está muy cerca). No lo olvidéis. Cuando lleguemos al 15%… VOLVERÉ. Espero veros a todos sanos y salvos.

Por último, saludos a todos, en especial a Atila, Fyahball, Carsola (the best), Copero, alquilado ahorrador, Almería, Explicador, Minotauro, village people, y esto es todo amigos, kokito, canyago, harryhaler, manonegra y cía. Según creo yo (es MI opinión), estos sí dicen la verdad y no dicen las cosas según les interese. Seguid así. Aquí tenéis un seguidor vuestro.

De nuevo, saludos y gracias!!!! Y perdón por ser pesado. (Alaaa!!!! Ya me voy! Ya podéis descorchar el cava… siempre cava catalán, no champán.)

Saludos y ánimo! Que veo que ya todo va muuucho mejor y estamos saliendo de la CRISIS (a Niño Becerra ni caso! jajaja!!!).

Let’s go optimistas!

PD: Saludos y gracias Carlos López & droblo… hermoso lugar este foro para divertirse con la economía.

Lo dicho: BUENAS NOCHES Y BUENA SUERTE.

Add karmaSubtract karma -51

# 50 , Mentira ahorradora?

15 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:34.

#36 SANDRA

Más que ahorradora diría que eres una lista, la gente que váis de “listillos” viviendo de los papis o familiares en realidad me dáis un poco de pena, encima te degravarás la hipoteca como vivienda habitual…así nos va

Add karmaSubtract karma +11

Páginas: [1] 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 »

Deja tu comentario...

Recuerda: Nunca escribas en caliente, piensa, respira... y No alimentes a los "Trolls"




Puedes usar estas etiquetas XHTML: <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q cite=""> <strike> <strong> .