The Mentidero and bag

In the Old Madrid when someone wanted to find out what was happening on the rule had to go to any of the 3 Mentidero who were in the capital since they were places where we often spoke of the news even before they occur . There were even some specialization in them, and that was not the same gossip about where he had stayed the king who try to learn as has been the last battle of our glorious army. According to the "madripedia" these are the most important of the time.

It was the "palace" in the square in front of Alcazar. There was a crowd congregated, whose raison d'etre was in those who expected to be received, answered, raising the request or receive compensation or pension from the Crown, but it was mixed with all sorts of people, including vendors, and filibusters trickster.

The closest was the "Puerta del Sol", which were also lenders and dealers, crowd was setting in the stands of the convent of San Felipe Real, a kind of high slice of the rest of the square, where a crowd crowd quiet, uncertain of dedication, not recommended for life and fearsome evil.

Finally, there was the "Mentidero of Representatives," in a square in the heart of writers, actors and pens, where they moved all matters relating to the world of the Limelight.

There were times in which the same people located in several Mentidero the same day, as you can see real professionals at the rumorología. As times change, we now have in the Mentidero the Internet with blogs and forums as you are reading. With many gossip and sometimes even the questions are passed between them, as is the case then we bring.

Although this is not a Mentidero directed to a public investor, with many seeing the price of certain stocks and rebounds yesterday as the temptations of them can invest in stock market, therefore pick up the rumor (meme) from Especulación.org (and responded Also in Gurusblog) When asked to enter the market?. To do this, we Droblo responds with what he thinks, as long as it is only an opinion and not a recommendation, but I think it is worth knowing you are going through the head someone who has been on the market longer than us.

Investment decisions of the capital of each individual is something very personal. It's easy for someone who understands advise on a car purchase to someone but the decision to purchase the car should only depend on the buyer and its economic potential. I start from the same premise on the stock market: everyone knows the money is and that you can use for investment and each must decide whether the investment makes the time or profitability, that is, if you want to buy thinking of 10 years hearing or get a 10% variables are different and the need to establish a peak of losses, too. This theme would be very long and I do not think is the reason for this article because here I am being asked to me "wet" and I think it would be a good time to invest in the stock market. And I understand that no quick or for speculation to take advantage of a possible year-end rally, "but as an investment in the medium-long term.

It is a truism but the time to buy is when you have finished the bearish trend. Today is not over, and despite strong downhills I have not detected the capitulation that typically precede it (days on which the values that have fallen on which rise with a ratio of 9 to 1, for example). Each has its own arguments to make decisions and I think the first should be the logic. This tells us that the economy is bad and will get worse. The following are a mixture of my opinions of others with more information than I do, statistics, technical analysis ... A system that this year has brought very good results follow a study by Citibank notes that the moments of panic and euphoria weekly. In the euphoria must be sold and the panic buying since the law runs contrary to sentiment. Look, if no updated figure on Friday:

In January, when it unleashed panic bass player, came clear signal to buy (below -0.30 and at the time it changes direction) and again at least March, warning of recoveries. In May warned that the increases were too euphoric and fast and in fact went back to see annual minimum in June and July. And has not returned to give signal to buy, even now that it has entered into negative signal again.

It is absurd to rely on a single instrument to make a decision, I have demonstrated this by its didactics chart. On the other hand, I read a report by Barclays Capital of the few services that I study the trust of its findings, the majority are very good for the data but very often the media) who argue that we are at a historic opportunity to an entire generation of buy on the stock. Their arguments are good and are primarily based on that stock prices, specifically speaking of Germany and United Kingdom-are already reflecting the book value of the companies. That reasoning, if their data are correct, it is also quite solid.

However, experience shows that in the great bassists-like movements in the upside-are more important trends that the numbers. And if we talk about actions, we talk about business. And if we talk business, talk about a worsening of the results of these will be extended for at least several months (which will lower its book value as well) because consumption is very concerned. And in a normal stock market this crisis could be solved relatively quickly and as we teach statistics, stock market to anticipate the movement macro figures about 6 months but now we also have a "credit crunch". As much as the state guarantees to private banks that have low liquidity banks will be stopped for months, will not increase the credits and investment while lower interest rates and small businesses and individuals have little access a fresh cash to generate economic activity.

The banking problem corrupts the statistics that are managing those who believe that the worst has passed that say half of the SP500 down from a maximum 30% in 450 days and this time has dropped by 42% in 366 days. And that encourage them to buy taking into account that half of that rate rises in the next year by 36% since the minimum. I do not think this crisis is comparable to any and if so, should be compared to 1929 that lasted several years and in which there was no SP500. It does not seem very consistent highlight the uniqueness of this crisis, something they have done since ministers to analysts, in the worst moments, and now justify their purpose by an average ...

Thus, we remain in clear bearish trend. To enter and exit a market is dangerous but if someone is deemed suitable, I wish him the best. It is also possible that after all the interest shown by so many world authorities in curbing the stock market crash is possible to see a strong upward face makeup at the end of the year (remember, for example, that the problem of pension funds invested in equities in the U.S. may left in misery to many retirees just when approaching the retirement age for those born by the "baby boom" after World War II). Outside there, I do not see any sign of change in that trend still bearish and accepting that perhaps have reason to believe that we have seen the least of the year, I am afraid we have not seen the minimum of that trend.

When do you have to buy it? Well, I am not a prophet as my answer can only be: At the moment, no. If one day I change my mind, we can even speculate on what areas you may do better or even what bags may be more interesting. Now it seems to me that it would be inappropriate.

PS - And speaking of stock recommendations, on the website of Morgan Stanley makes a calculation of their stock recommendations to August 31 this year clearly bearish:

Coverage Universe

Investment Banking Clients (IBC)

Stock Rating Category

Count

% Of Total

Count

% Of Total IBC

Rating% of Category

Sobreponderar /
Buy

892

41%

299

45%

34%

Hold

936

43%

277

42%

30%

Infraponderar /
Sell

367

17%

87

13%

24%

Overall 2.195

663

As you can see, only 2 out of 10 recommendations are for sale despite the clarity of the bearish trend. This is shameful for these banks that despite this still moving market with its recommendations .... Ojo therefore to rely on certain sources.

And finally, the usual summary of the press:

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# 1, Anonymous

October 14, 2008, at 9:21.

Good morning

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# 2, juanjo

October 14, 2008, at 9:23.

Good morning, to see what makes us the grace euribitor today ...

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# 3, Anonymous

October 14, 2008, at 9:23.

Good morning, the Euribor down, lower the gas? or rather follow us off ...

Why take us for fools?
Do we really are we?
Why are we still buying hard to six pesetas?
Why do not we join them and put the batteries in this bunch of pillastres?
Why, because ...?

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October 14, 2008, at 9:24.

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# 5, Minotaur

October 14, 2008, at 9:25.

Hello to everyone s,

Please do not saquéis champagne. I do not think there is anything to celebrate.

One thing is that the Euribor will give you a break and this cheerful, which I understand, and quite another to think that has something to celebrate.

This country is being "Americanized" in a rush, and that, at least for me, is a ruin. As much as the big numbers tell us that our GDP will be among the first, we have grown a lot, I believe that we will be worse. The GDP will have risen much these years, but I believe that it has only benefited a few that are much richer than before. It's going to happen in the U.S. as it will be a great place to live if you have a lot of money and a place very hard for the working class.

And all because of the price of housing and commodities. There were people here, calling for government intervention in this problem. It was not very clear, but watching it is falling, it seems the only solution, because we are unable to get off the donkey. Reading several articles in "La Vanguardia", I realize that. In one of them refers to shoot the price of rents, an example of less than 50m2 apartment in the Raval district (for those who do not know, is the Chinese quarter of Barcelona), 750 euros per month. In another referring to the dining room at Caritas are collapsed, and not far by the crisis, if not already noticed it years ago. This is aggravated by now, for the crisis, the contributions are lower.

I will not criticize those who have to rent an apartment and put it to an astronomical price, because after all, surely, everyone would do the same. Who is going to give up to get maximum performance to a property if someone is willing to pay. Since no one is going to get off the donkey, and that housing is something basic, there is no choice but to fix this serious laws desaguisado. When I say laws, I mean a well thought out and studied law, no patches Cutro in the face of the gallery as support for rent. This is not going to give money, if not that housing is available to the salary of the people.

People got their hands on the head when he spoke of floors of 25m2. Obviously, this is not the solution to a partner who has the intention of having children, but for someone going to gain independence for the first time or separated, widowed, etc ... I think we have our own crisis caused by house prices and that this to coincide with the global crisis, but even if it had not been provoked, we would have been inevitable.

I do not like to help the banks, but if it is the only way that everything is going to ruin that would make casings heart, but if our model is also involved in real estate will be difficult to move forward. I think there is a turning point, a before and after the year 2004 when the bubble was still "acceptable", since we are a poor country rich. "

Greetings and forgiveness for billet.

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# 6, Silver and ESP

October 14, 2008, at 9:30.

If you sell to hard-to four pesetas was considered foolish lost, how we need to consider that we are selling the hard-to six pesetas?

Worst of all: How we consider them to us that they are buying?

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# 7, ruin Solbes zp

October 14, 2008, at 9:32.

Yesterday saw the unions on TV.

I thought that no longer existed, but yeah.

eating out their cheeks to two leaders,

so if your ass for lamerle to zp,

q say has done well, as if to understand economics.

in order that country.

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# 8, RAM

October 14, 2008, at 9:35.

To our misfortune has always been and will continue as well.
It helps banks, mega results for the closures of these exercises and effort and misery for the working class.
Of embarrassment and above what poet as well as saying that the Finance system is the heart that pumps money into the rest of the body.
Well, this "heart" of addicts money has given him a heart attack by the many excesses.
Again I say shame when a situation is really bad is when we can risk whatever comes.

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# 9, Upupa

October 14, 2008, at 9:37.

Good morning!

That, yes, yes! to continue the party! and that this view is that I have met over the Internet gives much food for thought.

"The silent for an answer. Nothing has been decided, nor say if the situation worsens alerts so that we can dispense with whoever is necessary. Words, without funnels and with the greatest of tranquility. I, myself first, then me and always me. And so in enterprises, financial institutions, and a long list that runs from the first leader to the status of 'high level'. When everything seemed to go astern did not know what to do with the money, what do I buy? What I do not have? What I invented to be more than most? I can not raise salaries so that I do not have another for me. Obviously the bastard who would stand a thousand Heuristic explain it, your not me, which is being invested and that it must make its contribution to the 'effort'. And as also did not want to know that there are no hard-to four pesetas (the thymus of estampita watch where it was not as well known because of what happened) now that we fall for a black hole for his lack of management, idleness and poor head still thinking about securing their status and others who Fuck. And even they had to face, so you already have the headache of the moment that will make you the dirty work. We, the "idiots" we will kill them work, we will go to work in jobs leaving us junk health for a pittance with which we will not have to either eat and what you have to continue paying the mortgage. When the donkey had been accustomed to eating not look where he died. Hopefully that will not be left without donkeys, arrimar the shoulder they are given neither good nor bad, they do not know what is by far the bike we sell a lot of what they have done and are doing. And not to resign over anything and was regretted as if they were the first to suffer at any juncture, and we will not know who we lucky that we have of not having to take the helm of the ship in such adverse circumstances, we complain that the habit and broken the only pants that we do not want to see or care about a pepper. Until when are we going to continue to treat us as consenting to the mentally handicapped? What has been our dignity if we ever have had? Not to miss serves on thinking that God will say tomorrow, we're older and although we have not gotten us into this scrubbing we have allowed us now drag and if we do not have to at least ahogarnos swim. And swimming is no guarantee of escape has afloat, but if we do not even that we are committing suicide. Accepting proposals from all sectors and positions should be something we can do. There is no result without effort and no security without compromise. Those of us who work hard and committed and we have been doing in vain, it is time to open our eyes to reality. "Signed: Infinity

Greetings and encouragement! I see that everything goes muuucho better.

Let's go optimistic! The world is ours!

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# 10, stop

October 14, 2008, at 9:37.

the thing going ... .. the ibex climbing 3.5% at this time the stock market rising
and the Euribor and gasoline down ... I think now if I may be starting to suggest having a cryo between 2500 euros of sr.zapatero
and the descent to become ... ... .. according to a confidante of mine will be below 5% at the beginning of the month .... and by the end of the year will be below the 4.5% so go bottle of cider by keeping some of Mercadona
I think that for the grapes will have a good reason to offer ... and I hope that this all Spaniards know our most valued dinerito ....
5 years ago I would buy me the floor and started paying 2.25% differential over the place and someone wise told me this is not as pretty as you can see ... if you can be saving a Pokito do it every month that come tough times .... and not doing so is wrong if your wise advice I was saving each month and instead Pokito a meter of the car in the mortgage I could do very trankilamente, I thought 30 years paying car that will prefer to go quitarmelo and saving a little Pokito ...
So the crisis is likely that there will not say no but I mold 5 years ago to live with 2,000 euros and 5 years later I still molding me to these 2000 euros .... So forgive the crisis and allowing me to say that it is just to the who have had broken his hand .... So if I believe it's time to take a crio.esto doing well ... but if you do not launch campaigns on the fly.
greetings.

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# 11, Upupa

October 14, 2008, at 9:37.

Good morning!

That, yes, yes! to continue the party! and that is that these links are essential for those who want to have different perspectives of what we are experiencing:

http://www.lacartadelabolsa.com/index.php/leer/articulo/palabras/

http://www.marcvidal.cat/espanol/2008/10/estimulo-cero.html # more

http://www.marcvidal.cat/espanol/2008/10/la-ultima-bala.html

http://www.marcvidal.cat/espanol/2008/10/la-verdad-del-f.html

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burbuja_financiera_e_inmobiliaria_en_Jap% C3% B3N

http://www.lacartadelabolsa.com/index.php/leer/articulo/considero_que_costara_mucho_tiempo_y_mucho_dinero_crear_nuevos_mercados_no_/

Indeed, even if it appears to lie something decent Rajoy said: "The measures taken only help the banks. Do not help either companies or citizens. " What has clavao! However ... nothing can or will do to make it in another way than to help those above.

Greetings and encouragement! I see that everything goes muuucho better.

Let's go optimistic! The world is ours!

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# 12, stop

October 14, 2008, at 9:38.

I forgot today by the handsome 5.344
greetings.

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# 13, droblo

October 14, 2008, at 9:39.

It makes me grace of Article 5 days on an improvement in the interbank market ... is so dry and so narrow that Friday salieorn 25 million that the savings bank commented that here was the auction of ECB and placed another box and then in a year to know whether it was between bank and bank popular beach for example (same group) and dry again yesterday ...
http://www.bde.es/banota/bp0101.htm

We must not confuse desires with reality.

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# 14, Good Night and Good Luck!

October 14, 2008, at 9:40.

Well, today raises the Ibex, less, but rising!
This shopkeeper to calm down this week, and probably fall a bit late, to continue its bearish path but not as strong as lost. I still believe that the best memento will be entering in May 2009

The euribito! Today bajooooooooo !!!!!!! about 0066 :-)

lucky!

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# 15, Solbes ruin zp

October 14, 2008, at 9:41.

# 10, stop

I'm with you.

The real crisis is for those q wasted its assets in the bars.

we knew that the combined spending for saving, not what we are going wrong, but if we have a certain respect for it to sink everything.

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# 16, Upupa

October 14, 2008, at 9:44.

/ / /
URGENT: the takeover of Union Fenosa Gas Natural on endangered
/ / /

Will you feel dedicated to the aforementioned ...

http://www.finanzas.com/2008-10-14/51570_bancos-natural-dinero-para-sindicar.html

Greetings and encouragement! I see that everything goes muuucho better.

Let's go optimistic! The world is ours!

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# 17, village people

October 14, 2008, at 9:44.

Seriously, I do not know how at this point are still talking about investing in stock market ...

On Friday it reached values of 2004 and 1998 also. Go long-term investment. I think it is well to consider the bag as something serious financially speaking.

There are a few - not many - who earn their living by selling signals, candlesticks, side-head-shoulder, waves Elliot What else? as if they were the Einsteins of the new economy. Believed to relate certain math-Fibonacci sequences - with variations of the Santander-manipulated and totally uncertain - and are merely Readers who guessed the new trends in their private wells of coffee.

Do you imaginaIS an engineer estimated that a structure, commenting, Hummer, it seems that it will endure, but not the worst thing in any case we can not say much of what might happen in 5 years?

There are many, but about which many - who have relied on the alleged seriousness of this. Unfortunately, ever purely by chance, have earned this money and assured them more in their belief-by vanity, because they believe they have made a good prediction -.

The bag is a game of mus, where a few know what the next card is going to go out and know that letters have the opposite. The rest merely rely on their qualities of good player.

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# 18, Super Anonymous

October 14, 2008, at 9:45.

Good morning,
I have a confidant and told me that tomorrow the sun rise again.
Greetings.

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# 19, Upupa

October 14, 2008, at 9:49.

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Often scam we are getting with the CPI. Now go and tell the milonga that is falling to the entire chip ... thanks to lower oil! But will lie!

At the pump has not dropped anything! My God ... Often makeup are giving the IPC relating to the salaries do not rise to this shit.

http://www.finanzas.com/noticias/economia/2008-10-14/51588_inflacion-baja-segundo-consecutivo-gracias.html

Timo throughout rule.

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# 20, bloval

October 14, 2008, at 9:49.

droblo, javier ML
I have left UNF thinking that I can not buy cheaper because they do not trust the ope to 18.33 on Friday but it pas''e very badly and is much profit in a short time.

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# 21, Upupa

October 14, 2008, at 9:53.

/
In this link conducted a comparison of this with other pre-crisis ... a very good figure!

http://blogs.finanzas.com/lone/2008/10/10/feliz-aniversario-wall-street

Greetings and encouragement! I see that everything goes muuucho better.

Let's go optimistic! The world is ours!

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# 22, Saix

October 14, 2008, at 9:54.

Good morning to all

Although this appears to lie that the stock market starts to go up and banks begin to see the light in the dark tunnel (albeit only for a day) .... I must admit that I repatea a bit ... now that is beginning to suffer as a result after enrriquecerse for years.

Although I am going to water the neck I've been laughing on the inside knowing that the hitherto rich now joined the list of people uncertain future as most of the mortgage.

And now it seems that when things can be fixed and that the banks might switch again to the role of WC scootex for plevellos of their offices by 100 bills € ¿I should "rejoice" ....? should I? because if they start to go well it might return to lend money to companies, individuals, etc. and all that.

is not is not ....

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# 23, I do not think so

October 14, 2008, at 9:56.

But why you alegráis by a fall in the Euribor mini?

Let's see, how much time we have a mortgage. For many years, right?, As the Euribor will fall and rise many times during that time, so you alegréis not so much because you get the letter for the next 6 months within a year if he returns to climb.

What is clear is that we are fools as mass lost, we have uploaded an egg gasofa, the Euribor, food, housing, and is now ONE DAY a little low and the Euribor FIESTA ... but man, that gasoline is has been up with the price of a barrel down, why you alegráis?

I was pleased when a lot of really taking action to ensure that the Euribor was not re-shooting on the basis of something as ethereal as the "trust" between banks and while taking measures against speculation in food commodities. Meanwhile, take advantage of the lower Euribor (when it occurs, it still has not dropped anything) to save and remove mortgage because I remind you again that if we continue to go up and if the siren song, a siren call consumerism, we will be inside Like a few months.

In addition alegréis not you, here to whom they were helping an egg is to banks, which already have much money. But give them more money so they can give loans to businesses and citizens, that is to continue teniéndonos looted but well and for many years.

We must learn from history.

Greetings

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# 24, PaBaJo

October 14, 2008, at 9:58.

Yuri today to 5.169, Ale Ale

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# 25, let your body joy Macarena

October 14, 2008, at 9:58.

# 19, Upupa

Yesterday pour gasoline 95 to 1.049. In the summer to 1.24 missed What can you say that has not fallen ??????????????

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# 26, bloval

October 14, 2008, at 10:00.

UNF must respect all kinds of speculation, this weekend said it was expanding the ope ahead to January:
http://www.ahorro.com/acnet/markets/fundamental/fundamentalItem.acnet/pdf/N/id/sehFoinH0jKe9tXzEcTbkZ1Se.html
Upupa today and put a link saying that there is no funding ...

it is absurd that right now that it endorses a credit state is not going to find a Spanish electricity company money to buy another ...

As JP Morgan said the other day (http://www.expansion.com/2008/10/01/inversion/1170984.html):
The status of Union Fenosa, in principle, has fewer unknowns. JPMorgan considered unlikely that his taking control of Gas Natural was blocked by regulators, or that the gas had to turn back in their plans because of difficulties in credit markets.

In this perspective, the U.S. organization appreciates that Fenosa is presented as a bid to "very low risk" to have the cushion of 18.33 euros per share offered by Gas Natural.

But come on, for selfish hopefully get it to re-enter the much cheaper ...

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# 27, Mano H20

October 14, 2008, at 10:00.

Hello everybody.

One of the things I like most of the Spanish language, or rather, of Spanish culture, is the ability to synthesize in a few short phrases an enormous wealth of knowledge. Knowledge of sage, I would say, based on experience and observation.

I am referring to the popular sayings. Those who are known by all and quickly identifying what we want to express.

In this Follonica of the economy, we live in these weeks, do not know why, I have several at the helm.

For example, both ZP with its "our banks are great" with Rajoy and his "coñazo Parade" that have reminded me of "tell me what it presumes to tell you what it lacks."

Or for example, those on low and get the bag, as discussed in this forum, with its owner hesitating whether to sell or buy .... I remember that "both the pitcher is going to the source that the end is broken." Ojito with investment and dinerillo fast. I think Carlos Lopez, who in one of the Mentidero that citations in your article, saying that was born of "before the lame is caught by a liar, that lame."

That lame parade of banks seeking fresh pasta as desperate not to go to hell ... .. That reminds me that "the cries that no non-breast." Although in this case I prefer the version of this saying that my grandfather told me, because I think that covers most situations. My grandfather said: "If that is not breast ... not crying. The crying is a sucker "That great truth, applied to all those now in single file, it will aim to seek" help "due to his poor head. (I refer to banks and boxes).

The summit of European leaders this weekend to save the world, it still remind me that "... the meeting of pastors. dead sheep. " In this case the sheep I think it is the economy, which if not dead, something is dying.

Finally, my dear Carsola, with the lesson and pull of ears that gave me one of his post this weekend, to say that I share with him the view that "man is the only animal encountered twice in the same stone. " Our leaders and bankers are able to face a thousand times on the same stone. But to me, maybe naive, I like that "hope is the last thing you lose."

And my dear "Manonegra," says that so far I have to say what they think, for better or for worse, not what people want to hear. Because "the devil knows more for old, who devil." And "to show a button": I would love to say that today the Euribor will lower to 5100% because many of us love to hear that, but my view is that it will be around 5365%. It takes all morning debating between 5350 and 5400. Hopefully at the last minute for him to lose a lot. Because "scrambled to the Euribor, gain mortgaged." Forgiveness: "A troubled waters, fishermen gain."

Someone commented in a post that when he opened his mouth Trichet, a few months ago, the Euribor rose 300 milliseconds in a day. Well, yesterday just under 60 milliseconds in a day. I agree that do that for 5 days. That would amount to those 300 milliseconds. Okay, it is clear that "the failure to consoles is because you do not want."

Salu2

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28 #, UPI Economy

October 14, 2008, at 10:01.

I do not tire of saying that we talk about economics as if we had the most ability to invest in the stock market, have fixed-term savings and so on. Let's see if the m ... mortgages and soaring prices of everything as well as the works are today quite do with eating, the picture is bleak, businesses closed and thousands of standing in queues INEM with the ration card Eurit praying for some to eat. We still believe a large way, that was our mistake, let's see if we learn that we had gone well. There have always been rich and poor, that will never change.

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# 29, TAHartl

October 14, 2008, at 10:02.

Hello everybody.

Santander Sovereign purchase by 1,400 million euros and breaks into U.S.

http://www.cotizalia.com/cache/2008/10/13/noticias_77_santande_compra_sovereign.html

Dublin, Oct 3 (EFE) .- The son of the chief executive of Irish Nationwide, one of six banks insured by the Irish government in Dublin, used the state guarantee to try to do business with an entity of global investments based in London, confirmed Official sources today.

Michael Fingleton (son) sent several e-mails to employees of a signature of the City of London urging them to deposit large sums of money, even before the new law was approved on Thursday a guarantee by the Irish Parliament, informed the office of the Financial Regulator , Who is investigating the matter.

In the correspondence, which circulates through the Internet, Fingleton employee at a branch of the Irish Nationwide-assured, thanks to the support of the government, his organization was now "the safest place to deposit money in Europe," with offers of deposits with interest of 6.75 and 7 percent.

"The money in these accounts is guaranteed regardless of the amount and is the best offer in the UK market. I can provide application forms for 'email' if requested, "Fingleton wrote, while suggesting that the recipient passed this email to" friends, colleagues and clients. "

In a communique, the Irish Nationwide was quick today to describe the actions of its worker "inappropriate and regrettable," but the government fears that the controversy reinforces the unease generated by state intervention among some EU partners, particularly in the UK , Which has warned of the risk of capital flight to Ireland.

In this regard, a spokesman for the Irish Department of Economics stressed today that the minister, Brian Lenihan, "will not tolerate that a financial institution concerned to exploit this guarantee to obtain advantages over the competition."

The Irish law on collateral, which will remain in effect until midnight on September 28 2010, protects deposits, bonds and certain types of debt of the six major national banks valued at more than 400,000 million euros.

I wonder:

EEC, why is involved in private banking?. So are dependent States, in a capitalist financial system, banking PRIVATE?. Is it forbidden to drop or suspend payments or a bank box?. Why not let the course of the nature of the economy?. Why INVOLVED further and even more artificial Economy?. What there are fears of a possible disappearance of a bank or cash given?.

If today's economy under the current system with private banks today is not sustainable should be recycled, disappear, renew and birth. EVOLUTION, EVOLUTION gentlemen. If all the measures adopted do not respond to the role of the economic survey, I am afraid Forero's wear, that this will be worse than SERUM DYING, BIRTH and endurance.

"LINCOS by sheep."

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# 30, js

October 14, 2008, at 10:03.

Obviously that is to be welcomed with optimism any positive impact to our pockets. And that is why the Euribor down for joy.

But let us be a little objective and we give no credence to those who say they are confident that in turn has said that the Euribor said that this value will be within 3 months. Have we not learned anything? Is it that we do not realize that in the hypothetical case that this is true, we will be saying the same confidants interested because they have misrepresented the truth?

Be optimistic, Have faith, but not cheap caigáis in illusions. If you do this, you will need your Medicare depression. ;-)

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# 31, droblo

October 14, 2008, at 10:04.

Up, Up, I placed this figure here on Friday in the forum and discuss what I remember, the original link is this:

http://www.chartoftheday.com/20081010.htm?T

if you like Graphs is free to get your e-mail every Friday and send you one, yes, many times that it considers anti-spam

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# 32, Upupa

October 14, 2008, at 10:14.

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Incidentally, if you do not mind I'm going to put some of which are excellent post:

# 15, Carsola

October 14, 2008, at 0:05.

What is my lovely Spain! we are entering a hot and cold after the other, change colors like a traffic light and we raise the maximum power when we see around us seems like, tries to be in order, it is better for many the joy of a day that the for months desperate to those who are doomed to destitution.
Look and can be injected with billions of Euros b donkey, that the problem is not resolved, that I care to try to give continuity to the tropelías of white wanting from now auditing, as if not killed by the murderer be investigated!, the murderer no longer do so if he gets behind bars and that is what must be done to all the supporters club who have assembled what we need above all our heads, audit and if there are enclosed and no injections, what we are doing is a lot of bread for today and hunger for tomorrow, we are decorating the dead so that it appears that is very much alive and we are forgetting that with the unemployment rate continuing to rise in the stock market has its days of euphoria about the crazy measures to save the financial system does not solve the real problem of everything that is happening and everything that comes in the short term, which is spectacular.
Not the Macarena saves us still go up tomorrow IBEX35 30%

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# 20, eltonto

October 14, 2008, at 0:37.

Data from Spain for the EU to read the double-Solbes Ordonez (promoters of wage moderation). I took data from a reader of the newspaper La Vanguardia, and that are true.

It is the country:
- With the highest unemployment and the greatest increases.
- Where others have fallen, real wages (discounting inflation)
- Where has grown less the average salary in 2003-2007 for the EU-25 (Esp = 1.3%, EU = 3.9%) in the Spanish economic BOOM
- With the lowest average wages, only slightly larger than Portugal and Poland, and 34% lower than the EU average
- With the 2nd lowest minimum wage (after Portugal)
- Where are worse paid to university graduates.
- With the increased job insecurity.
- With the largest workplace accidents.
- THE 3rd by the tail in female unemployment
- Where has grown over the number of millionaires
- Where to 4000 wealthy accumulate 25% of wealth
- Where has deteriorated over the distribution of wealth
- With increased the producer price differential (national) and consumer (home).
- With the increased profits of banks (73%) more than double the EU (33%) --
- With the highest inflation rate
- Most tickets for 500 euros: 26%, despite the fact that GDP represents only 7% ...
- The least engaged in economic aid to the families (per child, etc.)
- At the tail in productivity (only a little better than Portugal)
- At the tail investment in R & D
- Leaders in absolute youth unemployment
- What has been built over and the worst housing price ratio / average wages
- Where fewer flats / total rental and public are made
- With increased external debt (to GDP)
- With more companies borrowing + families to GDP (160% GDP)
- The country with more increases in taxes (direct + indirect)
- The country with more employees public / private (1 / 7)
- The country where most public sector employment has grown in recent years (30%)

With these data in hand earmarked 100 000 000 0000 euros to prop up the "best of the world financial system" and proposed as the panacea "moderation".

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# 29, explained

October 14, 2008, at 4:10.

URGENT!

Jajajajaja, HERE THERE IS NOTHING UREGENTEEEEEEEE, everything is ready, or they do not realize !!!!!?????????????

Almighty Clopez please!!

They explain, but I will again ... everything is managed to win the election in November, who did not want to believe that not believe it.

We will give the impression that everything improves, but it will be a make-up, one month and a half.

Greetings and encouragement! I see that everything goes muuucho better.

Let's go optimistic! The world is ours!

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# 33, Upupa

October 14, 2008, at 10:16.

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# 31, droblo

Thanks for the info!

PS: Clopez ... still can not commenting since house. I pray let's see what happens. IP:

Greetings.

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# 34, eltonto

October 14, 2008, at 10:17.

Inflation fell 2 tenths.
My pockets were not realized.

H20 size:
It brings a saying tango applicable to banks: "The cries that no non-breast, and it strives is not a gil"
strives to steal =
gil = stupid

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# 35, Solbes ruin zp

October 14, 2008, at 10:19.

good comment if:

# 20, eltonto

October 14, 2008, at 0:37.

Data from Spain for the EU to read the double-Solbes Ordonez (promoters of wage moderation). I took data from a reader of the newspaper La Vanguardia, and that are true.

It is the country:
- With the highest unemployment and the greatest increases.
- Where others have fallen, real wages (discounting inflation)
- Where has grown less the average salary in 2003-2007 for the EU-25 (Esp = 1.3%, EU = 3.9%) in the Spanish economic BOOM
- With the lowest average wages, only slightly larger than Portugal and Poland, and 34% lower than the EU average
- With the 2nd lowest minimum wage (after Portugal)
- Where are worse paid to university graduates.
- With the increased job insecurity.
- With the largest workplace accidents.
- THE 3rd by the tail in female unemployment
- Where has grown over the number of millionaires
- Where to 4000 wealthy accumulate 25% of wealth
- Where has deteriorated over the distribution of wealth
- With increased the producer price differential (national) and consumer (home).
- With the increased profits of banks (73%) more than double the EU (33%) --
- With the highest inflation rate
- Most tickets for 500 euros: 26%, despite the fact that GDP represents only 7% ...
- The least engaged in economic aid to the families (per child, etc.)
- At the tail in productivity (only a little better than Portugal)
- At the tail investment in R & D
- Leaders in absolute youth unemployment
- What has been built over and the worst housing price ratio / average wages
- Where fewer flats / total rental and public are made
- With increased external debt (to GDP)
- With more companies borrowing + families to GDP (160% GDP)
- The country with more increases in taxes (direct + indirect)
- The country with more employees public / private (1 / 7)
- The country where most public sector employment has grown in recent years (30%)

With these data in hand earmarked 100 000 000 0000 euros to prop up the "best of the world financial system" and proposed as the panacea "moderation".

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# 36, Upupa

October 14, 2008, at 10:22.

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# 25, let your body joy Macarena

Well, here in our beloved and battered Catalunya (Parets del Valles), 95 gasoline is 1.17 euros per liter ... now!

And I climb up the salary according to the CPI for Spain ... I think we leave here a few advantaged and disadvantaged MANY.

Or not?

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# 37, Carlos Lopez

October 14, 2008, at 10:27.

Interesting opinion article:
http://www.mimesacojea.com/2008/10/ley-de-vida_4350.html

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# 38, Anonymous

October 14, 2008, at 10:29.

# 35, Solbes ruin zp

You are an unpatriotic. We are in the champi lij of the economy. This is a gentle slowdown of the turbulence ...

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# 39, J.

October 14, 2008, at 10:29.

a # 13, droblo

I think that this is the banota.txt MIBOR, not the Spanish part of the Euribor. And indeed, it takes years drier than the mojama.

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# 40, Paniagua

October 14, 2008, at 10:31.

# 5, Minotaur
You have every reason in the world, it is a shame that having a home takes the salary of at least one person, whether by purchase, and rental and other salary costs will take him from the house because all the things essential non-stop climbing, light, water, gas and food. So if you are fortunate enough to work because things are as they are, we must give thanks above. We rush back to rights. Are being cut as it is essential that health and education and give priority to infrastructure that we are not going to serve anything. When the industrial deserts and hotels are empty of tourists, to see that we used the AVE and others. It seems that the government's message has got through Be optimistic! Come a day go a little bit better and all the things to jump for joy, the media, saying, we are at the beginning of the end of the crisis!, Well off the Nissan 480 workers but fewer traffic accidents, because does not have to move, of course. Our pantheons are not going to sink, not because they are more thieves in the world and when we have 3 is because they have assured us that cogían 9, are pure math. Now it only remains to encourage people who have money, black rioja goal in the bank without paying taxes, or better than investing on the stock and multiply it by raising the shares of banks and thus continue to fuel the capitalist monster, which makes the Differences between rich and poor is growing bigger.

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# 41, droblo

October 14, 2008, at 10:31.

One little thing: Do not confuse AVAL (it's the novelty of yesterday who said the government) to give money, especially because it is somewhat theoretical, ensuring 100% of the deposits, only gestures are impossible to meet if needed and to create Confidence ...
and that seems to generate it, but endorsement for a state entails no cost unless someone suspend payments, something that today is remote because it was already bsucaría intervention, acquisition, merger or what was not to happen ...

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# 42, Darko

October 14, 2008, at 10:32.

# 25, let your body joy Macarena

Petrol to 1.049? He will be in Carrefour with 8% off.

# 27, Mano H20

That you're great! We propose as contertulio in a program of the highest audience for 10 minutes to explain in which 95% of the Spanish population unknown. Now ... question by Paquirrín, there are all informed.

But look who we are ... sheep follow illustrating, at least then we can not say that we have no elements of analysis

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# 43, pa ruin

October 14, 2008, at 10:37.

As always ruin that you are more tiresome Euribor up up, we already know that you are the PP, like most here, do not do every day handout that this is your economy, which most stupid guy

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# 44, ruin and other pa

October 14, 2008, at 10:38.

Some come here because they're cool to hear that if ZP, that if the PSOE, that if shit and shit, that is, there is none obejtivo, the PP would do better? jajajaja me confinement, gang of blind

Now comes negative

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# 45, Pelli

October 14, 2008, at 10:43.

For in bells (Malaga) 95 is the gasoline and diesel oil to 1,085 in 1108 and this is repsol

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# 46, Copero

October 14, 2008, at 10:44.

I do not want me ayudennnnnnnn !!!!!!

I will help give 100,000 million euros to the bankers?

Let's see: the banks have to pay for the remainder of the year 30,000 million and 70,000 million the next, at maturity (nice figure ... coincidence?)

And give them 100,000 million euros (10% of GDP)?

Let's see what are the priorities:

100,000 million to banks.

20,000 million for unemployment policies (one stopped them matters less than 5 times a banker).

22,000 million in infrastructure (5 times less than a banker).

3,000 million in education (33 times less than a banker).

100,000 million to pensions (go, these are worth the same as a banker).

1,600 million for housing (60 times less than a banker).

And you can follow, so, I WANT TO BE NO ENGINEER, I do not want to become an astronaut, DO NOT WANT TO BE A DOCTOR ...

POPE, POPE, SPEAKER Banker !!!!!

Because I open a bank for a million euros, and can receive interest of 10 million presto, because if I do well I take away pasta, and if I go wrong, I inject the pasta, because if I win the amount a party, and whether I miss nationalized, and I'm going to party with those of AIG in Monaco.

And the bill ... 2.100 € per head, the mileuristas borregazos forever, that what you do not get paid for some mortgages, they charge others for "nationalization".

And the cibermilitantes of all parties, which do not worry, they can always get a counselor (what?). For the rest, give us where we deserve ...

Sincerely yours.

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# 47, droblo

October 14, 2008, at 10:45.

J.
is what is between entities operating with key bank of spain in interbank
The other thing was MIBOR

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# 48, let your body joy Macarena

October 14, 2008, at 10:49.

95 petrol stations to 1.09 at any station repsol
a 1.069 at any EROSKI
to 1.04 in eroskis concrete.

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# 49, jdx

October 14, 2008, at 10:50.

# 37, Carlos Lopez
http://lavadoenseco.blogspot.com/2008/10/es-la-hora-de-una-nueva-revolucin.html

something like that ....

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# 50, Anonymous

October 14, 2008, at 10:52.

Where can I see the Euribor in real time?

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