Is it good the financing of the central banks?

There are economists who harshly criticized the policies of central banks to provide short-term liquidity to banks against the security of their assets and the reason is that it leads to the bank assume more risks. Why? Because the basis of sound financial health, and any accountant knows, is not to go "blocking" the long-term debt with short-term loans. Of course I would have been without it almost impossible the last major upturn in economic activity in recent years. I will explain:

A bank may consider a good investment to buy debt to 10 years in the business "Constructonic" because it pays the Euribor +200 points, and he can use to achieve that debt financing of the ECB in the auctions of 3 months, 14 days or the daily injections overtime . Perhaps his goal was not to know that but it can resort to this liquidity and earn a big difference leads to an increase in its balance sheet with excess purchases like that. It is similar to the individual who signs a mortgage confident that it will increase salaries or improve your home value without having sufficient resources in the present.

Whether or not an error that "Dad central bank" is always there, and lately that even accepting as collateral to lend money to commercial banks to stock shares, that is the case today without that aid the international financial system would fall apart and it would be worse, then it is not clear whether good or bad, right now it is clear that it is essential. Thus, it would be desirable is that this money is to cover debts and to ensure a balance of liquidity but not enough to increase appropriations or long-term investment. That would be the best for the financial health but completely drowns the economic activity because without investment banking is not possible to get out of this crisis. That is the great debate.

At the forum attached to this site to read sometimes unsure of what banks do with this money and if you use it to buy oil or gold. The situation is so bad that I see it very unlikely. In addition, gold, crude and generally all commodities are moved primarily by the futures market, which needs very little cash outlay, and those who move are often investment funds and not commercial banks.

The Bank of Spain to monitor more to banks endurecería conditions of individuals and businesses to access liquidity as is already happening, that leads to lower economic activity and more unemployment, making late payments and bank increases not only reduce the revenues The banking, in addition to increased losses. That is the vicious circle in which we are involved.

The proposed solution is to assume the debts USA "toxic" and ordered its banks to recover what they can from such investments, thus the bank would no longer require provisions for those with their liquidity positions (which losses are "a reassessment" but need not be the end, unless they are issued by companies or individuals in bankruptcy) and bank balances improved greatly and thus could provide this liquidity for the economic recovery. This measure has a moral component very dangerous because the bank that has managed and has no debts "toxic" did not receive any help and that you've done fatal receives a multimillion-dollar aid of taxpayers' money. But that is another issue, the question here is whether it is economically correct, or whether, as with the case of "Dad ECB," knowing that the final status is going to help, will cause banks to new risks in their investments, using The financial engineer to build castles in the air and, ultimately, do not use that cash to invest, create jobs and break the vicious circle.

How will the USA that the banking authorities to use this liquidity sanity, who defined what is a risky investment and what is not? How do you get ECB? That is the other great debate and nothing will serve all the exceptional measures if this is not clarified because if we put in place a bank branch manager who has among his clientele a late payment of 3% and fear that can bend and central bank has told you to monitor the credits because they do not have liquidity, do you risk with the small entrepreneur who wants to open a parlor or at a pair of sweethearts who want to buy a house? I fear that all this liquidity may be intended only slightly riskier investments such as state bonds and then there will be no way out of crisis.

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# 1, Prudencio

October 13, 2008, at 9:17.

The Españolito ...

Why resist the Spanish economy?
Will the banks?
Will the governments?
Will it be super-coconut?

I I explicación.Es simple:

History has made us well, Españolitos: that race can be more expensive vices but also able to turn off the tap and settle for what it is. We are well. We have become accustomed to this. It is what we have "suckling" has always been: on one side with the grandparent counting the hardships of war, on the other, taking pictures with our latest generation of mobile.

The Españolito is because the land where they live has been one of the most Gerra of the plant. Melting pot say they are calling.

And that is what makes being bad if we do not let's take hands to his head and we despair. No. We are well. THE Españolito already have in their heads that the cuts will do in their economy ...

... Will be removed and the latest generation of mobile ...
... And leave the car I had in mind for another time ...
... And if necessary, stretched the shoes that are beginning to be roídos and buy white mark at the supermarket ...

Why?

Because what is not is never qutará that "knowing how to live" that makes you enjoy a wine rancid while remembers the days when the French drank champagne. But there it is, with its bulk Vinita, once again, enjoying as they can afford.

Red bulk ... Come!. Who said crisis?

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# 2, kokito

October 13, 2008, at 9:21.

Good night, vietnam

The problem is the debt contracted by banks, institutions, individuals etc ...
The problem is the debt, many believed it was fictitious, it has now become tangible.
The banks first save your ass ... ... .. and then we will see.

The money they lend to U.S. banks (through government) debererían us back with an interest in the price of money multiplied by two (so you do not tell us that it is usury), to take away mortgage, credit or whatever. And so to grow the economy.

Enough is enough for us to take the hair.

See you later

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# 3, Fernando Calatayud

October 13, 2008, at 9:21.

Off topic: Aim wanted to participate in a new meme: Are we going to a scenario of inflation or deflation? Because it seems to me to clarify this issue, if possible, would be key to the selection of investment assets ...

s2

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# 4, Upupa

October 13, 2008, at 9:27.

Good morning,

That, yes, yes! to continue the party! and that is VERY BAD has to be the thing for the meetings of the G7, IMF and so on. those are doing over the weekend. That is, in his "free time". And they must be jodi.endo lot of this is happening. And however much they injected, buy healthy active or toxic, recapitalicen or NACIONALICEN banks ... this will not be fine. We must be aware that the problem is not in high places, but the problem lies at the base of the system. If we analyze the current situation, we see that they are doing the first that the system does not work are poor and working class. Why? Because they have no capacity to consume. And if you do not consume the currantes (because salaries mileuristas and is not superhipotecas or pipes) the system is crumbling at the base. It starts by not consuming, and not consuming large companies and multinationals do not sell, and if not sold start to cut costs, cut costs and lay people on the street, and if you put people into the streets, and people like this can not consume or pay letter of the mortgage ... then loses his home, and still does not consume, and if not above him credit for power "to muddle through" the thing gets chunga, and if the thing is stretched large companies miss more people into the streets, and as companies cut production because of the sub-sector which catering to the multinational misses because people close to the street or directly, and this wheel is repeated ... and the SPIRAL has no end ... and there is no more . And that is occurring as a miniquiebra according to the Spanish bank or cash, people will go like crazy to withdraw his pasta ... and then to be arming themselves fat. And this already if not for that neither the Macarena with his army of angels behind.

Greetings!

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# 5, Piko

October 13, 2008, at 9:28.

Good morning,

Here banking seems to be the biggest beneficiary of all this, since the improvements or "patches" still do not seem to solve the crisis on ordinary citizens. The trust still on the floor and we can not return to climb afloat.

I share a good article on the measures taken: The plan of lies

S2 ;)

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# 6, Julius Romo

October 13, 2008, at 9:28.

Well, just open the bag with a rebound of 6%, down somewhat after that safe ... I think that even an artificial, the Euribor it must begin a downward path. And I say artificial because it is what you get with the guarantee approved by the Eurozone ....

Public Banking in Spain

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# 7, bloval

October 13, 2008, at 9:31.

Menuda opening of the bag

They speak and the PROPHETS serious rebound in the first week and to cap it on Monday.

I do not know whether the stock market will go up or down but I hope some will realize that there are no absolute truths in something so volatile and so unpredictable as the financial markets.

Someone even said here on Friday that "had to be very short in shopping bag" ... As there are ready ...

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# 8, Upupa

October 13, 2008, at 9:33.

And a reflection of lacartadelabolsa.com:

On points for and against any possible rebound of the bag:

Phenomena potentially positive //////

* Adjusted value in theory, pure theory of markets in terms of historical PER

* Interest rates low, especially in the United States and with a tendency to further lower around the world, including the EU

* Leveraging of ever-smaller businesses, because there are no other options

* Reduces the risk of inflation globally

Potentially negative //////

* The bull market, bull market is long dead

* Deteriorating economic globally, with entry into recession in much of the planet and Depression (Yes, Depression) in certain areas

* Prospects for corporate profits continue to worsen for at least two years, which worsens the stock market valuations

* Avalanche of defaults and corporate bankruptcies

* Return to protectionism pure and hard

* Feeling of widespread poverty

* Drastic drop in consumption

* Restriction of credit, in terms of volume, duration and price (heavy spread)

* Possible crash of no return for many years in emerging markets

* Increased global unemployment

* Everything seems to lead to a systemic crisis

Other factors to consider

* Coordination and agreement of the authorities to tackle the overall deterioration

* Purchase of shares from banks by States

* Deterioration of the investments of sovereign funds

* Adjustments serious and painful to the balance sheets of banks, with a business increasingly limited. And weak banks weaker

* Death of venture capital and lack of corporate operations

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# 9, Julius Romo

October 13, 2008, at 9:35.

I have a question that maybe someone can settle here.

Imagine that a Fund enters headlong into serious problems, and you try to save ... Can a bank to buy a box, as has been done with other banks outside? Or, on the other hand, has to be another box who Soak? Because if it is the second .... is a dangerous risk.

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# 10, PapaPitufo

October 13, 2008, at 9:37.

I said for once to what he says Upupa, that finance to banks, but as they say our "generous" (if not a taco) rulers, not a blank check, but subtracting capital of our outstanding mortgages. Since we did not get where they are called, which was put up to the knees.

A greeting.

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# 11, PapaPitufo

October 13, 2008, at 9:40.

Sorry, my comment # 10 I have Upupa, and the comment did # 2 kokito, Phew, sorry but it's Monday and you know ...

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# 12, Julius Romo

October 13, 2008, at 9:41.

Well, what was missing for reading ....

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2008/10/10/suvivienda/1223653058.html

[...] Has explained that the situation in some of those affected is "desperate" and that with salaries of 500 euros facing debts of up to 800,000 euros. [...]

That there are those who do not believe it .... What have you done, mortgages to a thousand years?

Instead, this one if I think so ....

[....] The members of this platform are also affected by denouncing before the courts of Madrid abuses of some boxes and banks, as Cajamadrid, they have illegally detained the roster to address the payment of claims (those affected and have won two lawsuits against the box). [...]

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# 13, Upupa

October 13, 2008, at 9:43.

By the way ... I went to thank Clopez for accepting the suggestion. I think it will be very useful!

Thanks also to all those who votasteis, whether positive or negative, the important thing is to participate.

And speaking of other things, and I say that the most important in Spain will be the PARO. Life in a pure state, and that is spreading, a real example:

"(...) One of the family business part of what makes it exported to USA. Is considering the worst. Already there have been layoffs of staff, also is trying to reduce costs in anything, but it is impossible to continue that rate of descent. Now, the problem is that no orders have disappeared, but there are orders have declined, the problem is that we do not get the raw materials they need and can not occur, the production line is stopped and is losing money every minute, second, time of day. Suppliers of all life are dropping like flies!. The company has zero input of cash! and this is just a start. The bank not long pasta you can search for another supplier to us but to provide the highest cost, and if the company does not bill, people are not coming in and you can not pay all the costs that are fixed. I see black. "

I answered if they had raised their suppliers to offer payment in cash. What was answered as follows (worth saying that this student is a company that pays their bills religiously):

"Yes, we have considered paying cash, but did not release the goods. We do not want to sell anything, or rather, say they can not sell anything because we are closing. We are waiting for renegotiating the debt with the bank, but if that fails, (which I doubt that it works), is considering shutting down and look at alternatives, that is life in check otherwise. "

Greetings!

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# 14, Upupa

October 13, 2008, at 9:45.

And another issue ... the issue of the shady banks with subprime mortgages Spanish. A REAL example:

"People who worked 15 hours a day but barely spoke Spanish, wanted to purchase a property where power installed, right very legitimate and understandable, to which every human being should have access, as I see it. But as prices were as they were, a single person could not gain access to credit but had a good salary and his status was legal in Spain. Solution of the lords of real estate: assemble (artificially) to two and even three people and create a fictitious family unit for which they are granted the loan.

As a notary public and the financial institution will require guarantees, they will testify in front of a notary who are unmarried (although they are people of different nationalities and of the same sex) and they signed an affidavit, as well as powers were universal (in a favor of the other) in order to buy, sell, take credit from financial institutions, etc ...

Then, drawing on the same property managers of financial institutions not stopped to visit them asking them to bring any operation sign (in exchange for commissions paid astronomical that the customer, of course) offered the operation to two separate entities at the same time. When the mortgage was granted in two separate entities, they match the day of signature and they did buy two floors to customers and signing two mortgages at the same time, not knowing what they were doing. After the signatures, gave them some keys to each of them, the powers to act in the future on behalf of the other and so happy pocket sums of 3 and 4 zeros.

When these people have been unable to pay assessments, it was discovered that they had granted mortgage loans to other entities and who owned two homes at once. The poor immigrant who lied (it is true, but it handled, of course) say they have been deceived by the housing. And the estate said they know nothing and who have been victims of a deception on the part of clients. A perfect game, you see. Worthy of a world champion of chess. "

And just saying:

"Now I wonder how many of these operations have given financial institutions in Spain in recent years? ..."

I answered, and one of my paragraphs he said:

"I would like to ask you a question. You have been living the crazy lending that has been unleashed, especially since 2003. Yes, yes, the rates dropped, but my question is: how is it possible that those intelligent, brainy, with experience, having lived through recessions and other fees for late payment of 15% of 79, did not see the consequences that were going to have the policies they were taking?, or saw him and said: 'the shit, when everything erupts and fix what anyone?. Have you raised this?. Got an answer? ".

My former student and friend told me:

"I am raising that you comment and, you know what I think? Therefore sensible that those people who had lived through recessions and other high rates of delinquencies in the past never lived a systemic crisis like the one now coming. Perhaps the current conditions and the actions and decisions taken in the past were similar to previous scenarios, structural crises or recessions spot and lived most of us, and so on. Then she spent a bad time, there were a few mergers / takeovers of financial institutions, some as another political scandal and / or financial (or a little), then, yes, the application of the "Handbook of economic policy for student first career "and after a few Anita, everything resolved. And to play again! .... "

Greetings.

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# 15, Mano H20

October 13, 2008, at 9:49.

Hello everybody.

It seems that last week was the worst in history. What will happen now? Transcribe the interview that he did yesterday to my personal source of inspiration and information. I hope it will serve to reassure more than one.

1 .- How can we explain this? .- Being difficult to find a metaphor, the best thing would be to compare the crisis with the flu. Each crisis has common elements with previous and elements that differentiate it and make it unique. The flu virus mutates every year but it's really the flu, although a mild and other times it is very serious. Remember last year which was armed with bird flu, the famous subvirus N5H1. We are going to kill everyone. Politicians, as always, launched messages of calm. Calm down, the best laboratories (ECB, governments, IMF ...) are going to develop effective vaccines (injections of liquidity, cutting rates, deposits guaranteed ...) that we saved. But someone asked how many doses were prepared and the response was disheartening: 5 million doses. What good is it if we are more than 400 million Europeans?
It is clear that these doses were distributed in the health network and only protect the hospital staff (banks and other entities) in addition to politicians. What good have good hospitals and doctors about whether there is not very healthy patients who were cured because they have died for lack of vaccines for them?
Tell you is what I intend to launch measures to protect the pantheons single bank (as your friend would say Carsola) is the same as efforts to put air in a wheel that is get a puncture. It is an effort wasteland. If the plugs are not puncture the air does not ever come to those who need it, it is the citizens and businesses. The wheel is destroying the economy and will stop.

2 .- Is it affects all this? .- As always, some more than others, but it really affects all states. Not only the most powerful economies. Emerging countries and third world may suffer the worst consequences. China, for example, not intended for consumption inside its production. Who is going to sell what occurs if the rest of the savings are collapsed?
Have you seen the huge drop in the futures of raw materials including oil? Tremble to think where it is the only possible source of speculation. Do not hesitate, in food. That could bring hunger to many poor countries. You'll see dramatically lower the price of zinc, tin, copper, oil, metal .... But you'll see a dramatic increase in cereals, rice ....

3 .- I paint a black picture. Is there no solution? .- If there is one. But it is complex and requires a coordinated effort by many operators. I do not know if they will be able to do so. The situation requires a common effort as it has not been known in any previous situation. As my colleague said "Roubini" we are going to a new economic model which he defined as "financial socialism with capitalism productive." Already being done with state intervention from multiple financial institutions with a total assumption on the part of governments of the financial system. But if the policy is worth anything in this sense is not common among the major economies: U.S., European countries, Japan, Canada, etc ...

4 .- At least that seems to be taking seriously the things politicians do you? .- Of course, for the account that brings them and that brings us all. But sometimes they are incapable of doing the right things will even have to do so. I said, for example, last week it would lower interest rates in a coordinated way and they did. But they did wrong. If you have a bullet in your hand and think is the best solution, it is logical that this type bullet in a gun and shoot. What is not ever gonna do is throw the ball with one's hand. Even though the tires three times, did not get the desired effect. Well, to cut interest rates half a point is throwing the ball with his hand. With one hand it is also shaky and fearful. As the enemy (the problem) has been surprised and had hesitated, has allowed us to take back the bullet. Do not be stupid. Not the casts with his hand. Disparémosla with a pistol. The next lower rates, very close, almost imminent, will be between half and one point. That will leave if it hurt to the problem.

5 .- I would like to remain optimistic. Is there any good news that they can be transferred to my fellow fatigues of euribor.com.es? .- Sure. Your much-feared Euribor and to the surprise of many will experience a significant decrease in the very near future. What you might not expect is the reason for that decline. Is going to have to do with the interbank market. You will learn a new system. Someone will name. I call "the Euribor to the letter." The agreements will be taken between different operators are going to translate into a legal regulation of interest rates. Governments themselves will guarantee the loans between banks. The Euribor what you see, soon, to levels close to 4%. And that is only the beginning. In the middle of 2009 you'll see on values at around 3.5% and 3%. And that is NOT the beginning of a new bubble. Most of the guiding economic should have learned its lesson. Among the main steps that will take you to see that some tend to protect mortgage borrowers. Is to avoid, as far as possible, to be carried out more executions mortgage. You'll see a fiscal policy beneficial to those who are worse off. He thinks that, at present, the economy is a train without a driver moves out against a wall. Even have time to stop before impact. But get ready for a long desert journey. Now the main thing is to safeguard jobs, not as much as unemployment. That more than one is not going to understand it. But it is part of the solution.
Like I said before, the key is total coordination among all. If she, everything will fail. But this week you will see a sharp fall in the Euribor. Guarantees you'll see a 6-month to one year or even three to five years.

6 .- Finally. And the bags what? .- That you left for another day. But this week will close in positive. We will see prices rise sharply and achievements. If that serves as a consolation to you ....

Salu2 and apologize for the brick.

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# 16, Dinky

October 13, 2008, at 9:51.

Let's see ... it turns out that Iceland was the country that he did everything right, with a sustainable economic model, with its geothermal energy, its greenhouse tomatoes in the arctic (really!), Its investigation of genetic diseases, with its highest percentage literacy in the world, and with the number one position in the human development index of the UN

... And now it is not, so that its inhabitants as their bankers had been gone mad and have dedicated themselves to ask for and give cheerfully second mortgages to finance trips and boats, which in Iceland have seen a boat is like having a car, This is aggravated by many of their mortgages have been in "multi" to prevent the interests of two digits that local banks were charging ... and now clear that the Icelandic crown has fallen from iGloo the letters have become unaffordable ...

That Iceland has broken?

And we have for these individuals to the Vikings these "idolizaos" and are just as papanatas, hedonistic and short-term we, the inhabitants of disorderly southern Europe ( "Europe's slovenly south," Krugman dixit).

Live to see!

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# 17, Upupa

October 13, 2008, at 9:52.

You know my trick? Short and hit the articles of the Child Santiago Becerra and I would have been like if I told my .. jaja! that I'm ready!

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# 18, Colonel Perote

October 13, 2008, at 9:53.

# 14, Upupa

And notaries? Are they fools?. I think they have committed a felony that of the real estate you comment that allowing shady infectious.

By the way, and got four points and I have planted a positive in each. Or change your nickname and Clopez that you've put in the comments of the week you had changed for the better, or is that I'm a soft on Monday ...

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# 19, Julius Romo

October 13, 2008, at 9:54.

Bravo, hand ....

But we'll see if you do not drop points by saying that the fall in the Euribor is because it will be artificially manipulated, in this case, for the loan guarantee .... at least, is what I happened to me.

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# 20, Anuska

October 13, 2008, at 9:59.

# 12 Julius Romo

800,000 euros? I do not seem ridiculous to me. Same is what you pay in the long run, with bank interest. No, what really cost you the house. Anyway it is something normal.

Yesterday appeared in the newspaper a case of a couple who tried to buy a villa in a residential area and then to 30,000 euros for entry, the bank told them that there would be no problem to ask the mortgage. That is what they said two years ago .. and it is now as temporary contracts (contracts garbage) will say they do not give you the mortgage. And it is a house that is worth more like them 200,000 euros.

It is the thought of ever .. buy a house over your chances. The problem is that before the banks signed as such mortgages. I question I ask myself is: who has the most blame the banks that these mortgages awarded or unconscious that sign? Frankly, I do not give any penalty either.

A greeting.

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# 21, eltonto

October 13, 2008, at 10:01.

Bad sign for intervention:

Has not demanded anything for banks to lend money.
Not even that lower their costs, their salaries, their stratospheric costs of advertising. Needless to fire anyone.
You do not even have to work to raise money (comes only), nor for that service (not give anyone).
Neither will talk to any prisoner.

For Solbes did not even have to "tell them what to do with their credit portfolios."

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# 22, Colonel Perote

October 13, 2008, at 10:01.

# 15, Mano H20

As your "personal source of inspiration and information" is right on this week, I suggest that we appoint by acclamation Minister of Economy in perpetuity of the kingdom.
A greeting and my personal admiration for both (you and your source).

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# 23, Purification

October 13, 2008, at 10:05.

# 9, Julius Romo

The banks can not buy boxes. The boxes they can buy banks. The only thing that can make the boxes is worked with one another.

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# 24, bloval

October 13, 2008, at 10:08.

Purification, so far has been the case but it is something to change this fact and of the participatory assessments of the CAM opens the possibility that a bank among the shareholders of a box and from there to take control NCB ...
I think we will end up seeing something like that. Moreover, I think it would be desirable. It is an interesting topic

But today is like that: you can buy a box (and has done) a bank but not vice versa.

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# 25, Osecianez

October 13, 2008, at 10:10.

Good morning .... Congratulations Mano H2O ... .... I've caught with your source of information ... ... and ... the way you express it.
Do not ask me pq, but it is an intuition ... ... Mr. Leopoldo Abbey? I say this by their examples ... .... He loves to put practical examples, claricificadore everyday ... .. and actually is a source of wisdom.

Either way ... .. my congratulations.

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# 26, JDX

October 13, 2008, at 10:12.

# 15, Mano H20
my mother ... I'm shivering manic and stunned

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# 27, jdx

October 13, 2008, at 10:13.

# 15, Mano H20
this source of yours, is a phenomenon

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# 28, Dinky

October 13, 2008, at 10:16.

Julius and Anuska,

What the article says the world is that liaban real estate mortgaged to an immigrant to him (say, for example by 160,000 euros) while endorsing four others. At the same time as those other four will endorse it. At the end has five immigrant owner of a mortgage guarantor of each and four others.

What has happened since that if four of the five have been without work since the only work that has yet to be responsible for the total debt (5 x 160,000 = 800,000) and the figure comes out of there.

Obviously in the end is the cure worse than the disease because the work would have to pay your mortgage, but you are required to pay the five can no longer pay any (even yours).

and then say that in Spain there is no subprime

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# 29, ame76

October 13, 2008, at 10:22.

clopez, forgiveness for the off-topic ...

mola chart of the monthly Euribor, but the values do not coincide exactly with whom we had published so far

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# 30, Dinky

October 13, 2008, at 10:23.

Julius and Anuska,

Just a reference to the article by "the world", copy / paste (five lines are just not worth linking, I believe)

"We need to be mortgaged to the bank up to 800,000 euros to which they are frozen payrolls, since they must pay their own credit and arrears of three or four owners who have helped to buy their homes," explained Gustavo Fajardo, AESCO lawyer and spokesman, who asked the state more control over what they called 'mortgage chain. "

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# 31, Enculator

October 13, 2008, at 10:23.

I am not surprised that this government should pay for immigrants mortgages now ... that strong what to read.

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# 32, droblo

October 13, 2008, at 10:28.

Good morning,
regardless of whether this rise stock has any value to cause an overall improvement in confidence (among other basic things to get out the truth of the Euribor) has a reassuring reading technique:
We already have some technical supports valid, the minimum on Friday, to be able to calmly analyze what happens from now on.
If you are respected, he is likely to rebound join the typical mauqillaje end of the year (particularly for copper as necessary funds and pension funds that invest in stock market) and if you lose ... well, better not contemplate that possibility.

Now the ideal is to be closed today over as has been opened and not simply what it is uploaded what he got in the paertura and that from now on it calms down.
However, much would have to climb to change the bearish trend. Sounds like perogrullo but it is well ...

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# 33, Paniagua

October 13, 2008, at 10:28.

# 15, Mano H20
Ojala and you hear the Macarena, the Moreneta and all the saints ... I checked with the Euribor of November!!

# 18, Colonel Perote
How right you! notaries are the right hand of thieves white, who are paid millions by authenticating public events and then it turns out that they have no responsibility for the fraud being committed ... are the crabs of justice, sometimes have signed Deeds illegal, then it is impossible to ask responsibilities, when in theory they are paid for that.

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# 34, Mano H20

October 13, 2008, at 10:37.

# 25, Osecianez

The truth is that I do not have the pleasure of knowing Mr. Abbey. While certainly admire what he says, as these examples and said that as he says, are very practical.

Salu2

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# 35, Delshannon

October 13, 2008, at 10:38.

# 15, Mano H20

All text is, again, very good way to start a week with some broad outlines of the situation, thanks once again.

Focusing on its 5, that explanation is made from knowledge, "I faith," because it coincides with people who were consulted by me, I have said something like, "and this coincidence can not be the result of chance. Something there is / will. This clear.

I bet by -0.50 today at the end of the month, and no more, because we also want to wait to know the real extent of the other measures taken, which as we all know, do not effect overnight.

Finally, protection of the most disadvantaged by unemployment, increases in monthly mortgage court, or by having a mortgage under water (I, for example), it remains to be seen in that sense is done and how quickly it is implemented.

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# 36, color

October 13, 2008, at 10:40.

I think we are spending all funds in banks, which in the end, much of the current crisis is the need to and I doubt very much that these funds transferred to the tertiary sectors.
Those funds that sooner or later, will be needed in sectors such as unemployment, health, education, if revenues do not come ... ... ... .. then there will be cuts in the standard of living for all.
I also think that if it was to help small and medium enterprises ... .. it was easy, how difficult is that banks do not end up with Mangone collaboration of our political class ... ... all of the money.

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# 37, J.

October 13, 2008, at 10:45.

Tan is a bad -9% as a +7%, which is a wild ride that could end where it's up to you, or mark floors or ceilings: on Friday closed BELOW 9000, which is a ground breaking, and very important.

This is not some people will understand.

And reading the rest, I think we all are of the opinion that from now on the downhill of the Euribor are sung. In fact, with the "guarantees" on the table, any value above 3.75% is unnatural. Today will go down a tenth to 5.4 as little. In fact, everything that is happening it is: Are governments guaranteeing interbank? And what else? We are on the knife-edge between hiperinflacción and estanflacción, we must be vigilant ... to see if the Macarena ...

Things sidewalks ... aluncinante, listen.

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# 38, and that's all friends

October 13, 2008, at 10:50.

Here is the explanation of the 800,000 € OHHHHHHHH THIS IF SURPRISING ANYONE KNOW WHAT, "mecagoenla" if he knows too quisqui what was happening, not knowing what they were going to the banks, what happens is that by turning a blind eye.

"" Many of them are owners of solidarity, that is, mortgage guarantors of other families that form a chain of shared responsibilities, needed to buy their homes. "We need to be mortgaged to the bank up to 800,000 euros to which they are frozen payrolls, since they must pay their own credit and arrears of three or four owners who have helped to buy their homes," explained Gustavo Fajardo, AESCO lawyer and spokesman, who asked the state more control over what they called 'mortgage chain. "

"We need to be mortgaged to the bank up to 800,000 euros, since they must pay their arrears and credit of the three or four owners who have endorsed

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"Some others and endorse three or four families sharing the purchase of a home. When one of them can not pay, the bank uses the income from the other guarantors, "Fajardo added" ""

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# 39, Upupa

October 13, 2008, at 10:51.

# 18, Colonel Perote

I thank Colonel! Is that I rehabilidado! jeje!!

I see a spirit that is arranging the deal. The bag and climbs! The crisis is over.

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# 40, Upupa

October 13, 2008, at 10:54.

And as the crisis is over ... the floors to rise again!

Forget that the burbujiles that lower prices because they are wrong! It's over this jet. In 2009, a 10% increase!

Greetings and encouragement that you're all set.

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# 41, Carlos Lopez

October 13, 2008, at 10:56.

# 29, ame76
As one reader told me, the values that I published yesterday were wrong, those of today are the right ones.

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# 42, Carlos Lopez

October 13, 2008, at 10:57.

# 3, Fernando Calatayud
Thanks for the meme. I do not know if it will give me time to respond (or to my Droblo) since yesterday and recently sent me another week to missing days ...

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# 43, concerned by the Euribor hear?

October 13, 2008, at 10:58.

we will see that the EURIBOR us today we trust that is a substantial drop, to go poniendonos this week was 5% but less
still trust the banks to their customers commented that year-end rate of the Euribor andarían d einteres approximately 3.9% more on the menos.Confiemos in gandulillos the bank to see if d euna once and for all is right in his comments, in As the crisis in Cantabria that s where I live shows as everywhere same mind my partner and I cenmaos least away from home for something and our salaries will not resentful cn s ehan the crisis because we are both government officials d erevilla there is nothing, we Euribor in a week to 5%.

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# 44, Upupa

October 13, 2008, at 11:06.

Declaration Solbes: "We are not going to nationalize banks because we have a strong financial system and a sound banking institutions."

The Virgin! Now we can prepare ourselves ... because we know how goes the theme of "hits" from Solbes.

If you do not nationalize, German banks and co will have competitive advantage over the Spaniards, and in the end it nationalized ... but we will be the last, and we will be in the queue. Will be worse!
Why not do once in a lifetime what they make big?

Well, no. Us to ours and our style. Unlike those who do know do things.

We'll see how everything ... but I am just afraid that we will be the worst "unemployed" ... in both senses of the word "PARADOS."

Greetings and encouragement!

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# 45, Pedro

October 13, 2008, at 11:07.

THE LOW EURIBOR! FORM AND NOTABLE!
No voy a reirme de los que tanto nos hacne sufrir con sus comentarios en esta página, y menos lanzar rogativas para que el Euribor siga bajando. But I do remember that Trichet has behaved as a complete inept.
Only worried about inflation when the economy was going adrift. Thanks to their specific comments, the Euribor has seen dramatic price increases, and after much murga is bullish and low interest rates 0.50% and returns to put nervous throughout the world (Was not as strong his previous position? For that the entire world welcomed the fall in real panic)
The monetary policy of only Trichet is worse than anything else: the communication policy of Trich.
Trichet OUT!

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# 46, concerned by the Euribor hear?

October 13, 2008, at 11:08.

5.42 This is on the right track brothers going down without a brake
bring the cider and uncork the piper

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# 47, BUC

October 13, 2008, at 11:10.

# 15 Hand H20

I hope that your tengaos reason and source, especially with point 5. Anyway, and although you what you have invented a conversation in the alcohol (irony), only the hope that it produces is worth believing.
I hope you are right

Greetings

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# 48, danika

October 13, 2008, at 11:11.

Yesterday speak to the manager of a promoter, told me he had financed its debt until 2013 and that basically had begun a phase of barter, payment of contractors parquins floors or so on that charge or not, could choose, what with banks or give me 200 million or more you stay with my beach bar.

Prices down and talk, before it dead simple. The fundamental problem will persist long time and when they have spent millions of euros in urban forests that are not edifacaran until 2012 for a duration of makes you think when all this. The liquidity of banks will be bad for a long time and only if governments are dedicated to supporting the banks without addressing the problem of substance do not solve the problem. Only we conjelando to appear later.

I think that really would have to make a moral ejeccio and wonder if we really want this, a society where we work and pay inpuestos we maintain the standard of living of us speculating vajo that the voicot if it is not the system undiara promissory notes and everything.

A greeting.

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# 49, Upupa

October 13, 2008, at 11:12.

By the way ... you said two cases where there is the real crisis:

The first ... in my company and have given order to stop the recruitment of "new position". Only substitutions will be made. (large multinational)

And second, in the company where they worked my uncles and a cousin and they have been told not to go to work on Friday (since recovered hours in May 2009, according to the company), and it was eventually overtime. (the company is in Freudenberg plant Parets del Valles. In part, and closed a plant in Zona Franca)

This is the real problem. The enemy is unemployment.

Greetings!

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# 50, Pedro

October 13, 2008, at 11:13.

I agree to uncork.
And that is also cider (for what not to return to the consumer removed).
We must not miss the bells on the fly. It should still save ...

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