The markets upside down

Not long ago releí the famous story of Henry Matisse box "Le Bateau". It turns out that in 1961 the picture was exhibited at the Museum of Modern Art in New York. The success was resounding: in just over a month more than 150,000 people are admired for this work. The odd thing was that the 47 days of being exposed and have seen tens of thousands of people who got rid in praise, they realized ... that had been hung upside down from the beginning. Seeing the picture is not so difficult to pass, but the matter is that thousands of people they admire something that was the opposite of what the artist had drawn.

This is what we intend to do with the SEC rules to change the revaluation of assets "under extraordinary circumstances": pretend that accounts reflect something that is the opposite of what it is.

To understand you I'm going to tell a story that closely because I lived in that year I lost all my money playing (because then I knew so little that he played, not speculation or invested) with the future of MEFF on debt to 10 years: 1994. In that year, I speak of memory, do not pretend to be an encyclopedia, which would be deducted strong decreases in rates around the world and especially in Spain reaching profitability of the bond to 10 years to just over 7% when the official rate of short - period was 8.5% ... in the case is quite the opposite happened and U.S. rates rose 6 times this year with what the Spanish 10-year debt rose to quote above the 12% of profitability. To make matters worse, at the end of that year came the scandal of the GAL and that memories of fleeing foreigners in Spain reverse differential to be our German bond greater than the 4 points (we now miss their hands at the helm for 60 pipos).

The Director General of the Treasury was then Manuel Conthe (yes, the controversy of a few months ago by the theme of Endesa and the CNMV) and was raised by late 1994 a number of savings banks could fail because of a public debt Spanish media buying throughout the year at around 9.25% and is quoted at 12%. True Spanish treasurer who then worked at a U.S. bank with a branch in Spain (and later, he was booked for Booty to manage hedge funds) gave him the idea to save the Spanish financial system: Create an investment portfolio that is the revaluaría rate and other short-term portfolio of speculation to revalue at market prices. And he did.

Automatically every position which was in losses became neutral and that short-term rates were around 9.25 this. Besides the evolution of interest rates and our approach was reduced to € increasingly those guys (in October 1998 and were below 4%) so that the same thing that could have lead to bankruptcy and simply left to die in 2004, it provided enormous benefits to banking. Simply by an accounting skill.

This time there were lucky and now the SEC intends to do something similar, eliminating the revaluation mark-to-market (that is, with market prices) for the assets and, for the time being dad FED injecting liquidity in the short term against those same roles , Reversing losses in positive results for banking. I quote from a report of a house of studies:

The Treasury, the Fed and some bankers believe that suspending this rule could lead to disguise the financial health of companies and put the seeds for the next crisis. In contrast, more than 60 lawyers have gone to the SEC asking for an immediate suspension of this rule. It is alleged that could relieve taxpayers of having to pay millions of dollars in potential losses if the banks were allowed to avoid losses on assets that once the credit crisis has passed, could have far more value.

This is like when someone buys a 10 euros, while the band can not consider that your investment is worth 10 euros even if it is to 9, but a bank or a company can not do that, you should see its loss as it accounted for what he has not worth 10, but 9. And it must provisions for an amount to cover that loss. In the end, both the individual as the company adjusted its output to sell the action, is a 5 or 15.

Clearly it is not the same public debt issued by a state that this debt "toxic" but so is so fast it would eliminate some latent losses and, what is better, having to provisions for them, thus reducing the need for liquidity. Of course, that debt if it finally leads the entire loss unpaid leave at once ...

That is the issue that sack to debate today: Using the engineer to stop the accounting abuses that led to accounting engineer in the past may be a good solution?

And finally, the usual summary of the press:

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# 1, Raul_VLC

Oct. 7, 2008, at 9:20.

"The arm that the ZP in the world, eh?" "(Irony)
telaaaaaaaaa go, :-)

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# 2, Raul_VLC

Oct. 7, 2008, at 9:21.

News, hopefully good, for all those who have mortgage s

It was expected to drop from a 0.5% rate of the ECB

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# 3, Key

Oct. 7, 2008, at 9:23.

Here is where one thing is ... we have another super mareados, at least to me, every day it costs me more to follow the thread of things : (

I hope that everything is finally stabilized and that the thing is more easier to understand : D

Greetings to all! and that the Euribor continue to fall!

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# 4, bloval

Oct. 7, 2008, at 9:24.

I read it when I could not believe it.

If you change the rules to fix the losses of the bank should do so with all companies, right?

If at the end and neither do those by the stock market goes up then it would be the acabose ...

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# 5, valuer

Oct. 7, 2008, at 9:30.

The accounting strategy that seeks to implement to prevent the current situation of liquidity crisis, as well Droblo said, would cause a situation ficiticia bonanza in the books of financial institutions, but the batacazos who will be in the future will be, unexpected and brutal , And can not be avoided, as companies that implement this system, will find themselves in glpe and porrazao, with an asset that is not worth what they make books and without coverage, which would lead immediately to capitalize an accounting imbalance that directly implicate bankruptcy.

The financial system, based on the infinite growth in an economy right in a finite world is absurd.

Today we are enjoying our indebtedness to twenty or thirty years, and that does not change the accounting rules, we will have to pay our debts first and then the financial system.

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# 6, Key

Oct. 7, 2008, at 9:31.

How do you explain this to change the accounting please?

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# 7, Leonardo

Oct. 7, 2008, at 9:34.

What about gasoline?
The price is low for three months and at the pump did not move, the government would have to intervene.
The oil companies are still filling their pockets.
Opened to unite and veto to the most important but that does not ever know because we are united not going to claim anything and we do whatever they want.

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# 8, kokito

Oct. 7, 2008, at 9:34.

Good morning, vietnam

Cam 561
Bancaja 750

CDS are each

At least these are already beginning to do their job, although mamone.s kill their families.

A financial adviser on strike kills his family and commits suicide in Los Angeles
http://www.elperiodico.com/default.asp?idpublicacio_PK=46&idioma=CAS&idnoticia_PK=550345&idseccio_PK=1021

see you later

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# 9, Raul_VLC

Oct. 7, 2008, at 9:36.

I have a doubt!
And a curiosity!

What about those who said at the forum that was better mortgage Multi! Multi hacersela that he had, that if the yen was stable ....
Now what?

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# 10, newcomer

Oct. 7, 2008, at 9:37.

Good morning,

I am among those who think the rules are there to be skipped when appropriate. But is that in this case gives me a miedito ... For now, all measures are taken, in my opinions humlide financial novice, "APRA bread today, hunger for tomorrow." I echo the news "The optimism is dead", then the truth that if there is no optimism, no matter how much makeup that the losses are dependent on financial engineering that things will improve later.

The problem is that financial engineering ensures that you do not improve things. I am an industrial engineer, and in my area true: solción the technique is feasible, but under certain conditions. If these conditions are not met, you will not save anyone. And engineering is not safe conditions you are going to enontrate in the future. To sample a button: a building is well constructed in an area of low seismic activity. Good technical solution under certain conditions. There comes a level 7 earthquake, and the building collapses. Does the fault lies with the engineering? Well, as in this case.

But with the exception that the earthquake has lelgado advocated inter alia by the financial engineering. Se'yo not, but I think this kind of action, as Groucho would say, are "More wood!"

I feel the brick.

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# 11, Mano H20

Oct. 7, 2008, at 9:38.

Tonight I had a dream (no, and I'm not Martin Luther King):

Must be an advance of Christmas.

A huge row papanoeles desfilaba through a snowy landscape.

As I went closer identified some expensive (and some expensive) Roldán, Dioni the Fernando Martín (the brick), several bankers, many builders, many politicians ... ...

All were perfectly dressed with their suits and hats. Everyone smiled happily and carrying huge sacks on their backs ... .. Tartars while the song White and the Seven Dwarfs: Aivó aivó the bank to relax! ...

At the end of the row had a table and sat there Pedro Solbes. The papanoeles delivered the contents of the bag and Solbes, happy, gave them a role in many stamps which read "excess reserves" (as in former military).

As he did not understand anything, I approached the table. Solbes smiled happy.

What was my surprise at seeing what the bags contained: huge bundles of banknotes of € 500 ... ..

But the dream has become a nightmare. In the background, on the horizon, hordes of outraged citizens were brandishing their tax returns, deeds of their mortgage, their cards Inem ....

Solbes papanoeles and put your feet on Polvorosa .... Shouted Solbes But if Banesto has had a net profit of 653 millooooones!! But if this is only engineered accountant!

God is always that rare dreams! I do not know why mix things that have nothing to do with each other. ¿¿What you need to see Snow White with Santa Claus?.

For me they have been fried eggs with sausage that I had dinner last night.

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# 12, droblo

Oct. 7, 2008, at 9:40.

Javier ML,
in the summary of Friday put a table on which Reuters is estimated will cost the entire financial rescue (including everything from the plan to Fannie Mae, Bear Stearns and so on.) but you advance a figure: $ 17 mil per taxpayer.

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# 13, Colonel Perote

Oct. 7, 2008, at 9:41.

Let's see if the makeup and balances all know they are massaged both yours and those of neighbors. Would it not be prolonged indefinitely the existing mistrust?.

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# 14, Sincrisis

Oct. 7, 2008, at 9:46.

Yesterday we went down the Euribor, which this fall, anyone can explain it to me?

Let no one be offended but with the situation we are living ... I feel very strange.

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# 15, Copero

Oct. 7, 2008, at 9:50.

Well, go if they want to fix things with engineering accounting (... how it reminds me of recruits ...).

But what are some side.

For many tricks they want to do, have a stack of very expensive house, and although they do not have to supply them, rtampoco may sell, so as to account for losses at the time of sale (but do turn a blind eye before). So do not make sales until they gain market value. That's muuuuuchos years. Until then, restrict credit, as they have no liquidity (many floors but little liquid), and already we see how we go.

Ummmmm, I rele before publishing, and what conclusion leads me !!!!. But if the only ones who win are the banks, which continue to fish our savings, our mortgages becoming increasingly expensive, and not even have to supply so that in case of bankruptcy left us something. But it will have benefits bestial.

... Although the mona silk dress ...

And thanks to Super Google, we are no longer timarán as before, now we all know that banks have assets which are not toxic and would say ... and as a well-known for these individuals ... fyah burn dem all.

Droblo, I love your articles, but I do not see a systemic crisis can be arranged with accounting tricks.

And please ... TO ME IN VENA liquidity !!!!!

Sincerely yours.

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# 16, oreidubic

Oct. 7, 2008, at 9:53.

Now it only remains that they can make up more then the balance sheets ... síq eu and we will not know where we are .... ProQuad if I have a debt on the assets of 100 that really worth 80, those 20 to shareholders of deception .... it is also true that you bought at 30 and sold 100 has already presented (in theory) this benefit ... but everything is based on power recover in the medium term, this differential of 20, but it is clear that the brick can download ... rather, that can not climb ...

In the end the better the accounting of two bags .... in a bag for receivable invoices and other bills to pay ... is a metaphor, but if tatnos business angels, many MBA programs, both private equity and both pijo, for the final count as a community of neighbors ... I would only put shame ...

How good is being in the real economy ... .. a loan to purchase a 70, sells at 90 wins and 2 .... without so much drama and deceit ...

Have the bank to provide large banks and even answer the phone or are missing?

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# 17, Anonymous

Oct. 7, 2008, at 9:55.

Look who do not realize is that the table was upside down ... If you look it is clear where the sky and that is the reflection in the water.
Very, very wise to get the item as an illustrative example.
You're off "impressed" with a name and you're really seeing a reflection diffuse the product.

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# 18, Flipper

Oct. 7, 2008, at 9:59.

Size guy a break date, as in dreams or disconnected, that it is a real crisis, jejeje, ;)

It said in a post that I made in the previous thread (http://www.euribor.com.es/2008/10/06/urgente-el-gobierno-aumentara-el-fondo-de-garantia-de-depositos/ # comment-138616) that we are nerds, that when everyone is going well, call us pigs, and when we have to let go of victims of presuming that our banks are well and will have no problems, and we called them pigs now say that we are the best ... if it is clear that faced with a more predictable that joint action by the European Union, in the end all apoquinamos to salvage the situation, but we're so good, so strong our banks, our ibex the least low-end ... apoquinar touches us a lot more than we will help you later.

And while Germany has already left billions to help theirs, and Ireland, and England ... what are these and interest in a joint action? They have also increased unilaterally and guarantees on deposits, which we are forcing everyone else to do so to the savings of our banks do not pass on to theirs carried by fear and collective psychosis which we live. And so it saves its banks at the expense of the bankruptcy of our own.

Evoked all this before with Julio Iglesias and his "Hey ... do not go assuming there ..." and this new thread today droblo me evokes Mecano: "shadow shade here and there, maquíllate, maquíllate ..."

Well at least I start the day with good music

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# 19, Anonymous

Oct. 7, 2008, at 9:59.

Ah! By the way. For a few days back to the type propaganda "has a credit granted in 3000 €." What do these plays?

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# 20, Colonel Perote

Oct. 7, 2008, at 10:00.

# 17, Anonymous

Ah!, Which meant the opposite "of what up, down." I thought that meant it to friends he was back. More than anything that has illustrated the article.

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# 21, JL

Oct. 7, 2008, at 10:00.

@ Droblo me to an egg and part of another follow your feedback at the high number of economic and financial jargon you use, but they wanted to thank you force me to make me so many questions in just 20 lines of text. I'm learning a lot.

Although as many have commented on these days, the more I get less ... I know.

A greeting.

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# 22, bloval

Oct. 7, 2008, at 10:02.

Key,
the issue is that many banks have assets worth 100 and now on the market worth 20 then have to dial in an accounting loss of 80% and provisions for a loss by that amount.

What we want is not to reassess the price they are now if not for the original price or at cost price in the market place (which may be the type of intervention daily FED)

And what of the Euribor is normal to fall because the more fear there is a recession over is expected to lower interest rates because there is less fear of inflation

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# 23, FERNANDO

Oct. 7, 2008, at 10:03.

ALREADY DECIDED WHAT MY TEACHER.

FOR A MATHEMATICAL 2 +2 SON 4
FOR A PHYSICAL 2 +2 ARE ABOUT 4
AND FOR AN ACCOUNTING what you want.

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# 24, Dalma

Oct. 7, 2008, at 10:03.

# 11, Hand H2O

You are an artist !!!!!!!!!!!!! I is that I childbirth with your comments, you are more resourceful every day, still well Mano, which I am happy ... aivó, aivó ... the the the the the ...
ARTIST !!!!!!!!!!!

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# 25, brian

Oct. 7, 2008, at 10:04.

ing today are:

Rated current fixed rate
7-Oct-2008:
4.993%

# 2, Raul_VLC

How do you see that?

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# 26, yomismo33

Oct. 7, 2008, at 10:04.

Good morning!

# 3, Key

Bored and both of repeating myself, for me, this is a manipulation of the masses in real time.
Some trileros of finance (HALT TO ME, PLEASE) will have to be twisted with laughter, looking like running all the world's political world, who do not know where they are dropping the suits.
They have the knife which tightrope walkers trying to put all the dishes of the British royal house with her wand inflationary.

It is what it is to live in an era of globalization of communications, where rumors run faster than the hare in front of a greyhound.
Take advantage of it and generate panic and hysteria almost-pervasive. There is much am of P. who plays with the minds of people and use their fears, and unfortunately they have no scruples to the possible dramas each.

As I listened around, which serves to guarantee the deposits of savers, if money is paper and what he says is worth asserting.
If the bankruptcy system and the states are going along with their economies, you returned more or less billetitos euro is the same as if you win in the monopoly.
The 108 million € 500 notes that say there is in Spain on black money, if at the big crunch, will be luxury wallpaper for a house.

SYSTEM FAILURE

Greetings

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# 27, Anonymous

Oct. 7, 2008, at 10:05.

# 2, Raul_VLC

Where did you get this information?

It is just rumor or is there something more solid, if so kindly link or explanation ... ..

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# 28, JAC

Oct. 7, 2008, at 10:09.

# 27, Anonymous

Not if you have something to do but ....

http://www.laverdad.es/murcia/20081003/mas-actualidad/abre-puerta-bajada-tipos-20081003.html

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# 29, JavierML

Oct. 7, 2008, at 10:09.

http://www.expansion.com/edicion/exp/empresas/inmobiliario/es/desarrollo/1172880.html

Martins Fadesa REYAL Urbis and warn that they will be two years without selling.

How to pretend to maintain its business structure in these two years?
Why not lower prices?
Why does not your business to accommodate the needs of the market?
Why do not evolve, as they would have to do if you aspire to be a modern enterprise?

In the end, and you will see, used to the street.

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# 30, RFM

Oct. 7, 2008, at 10:09.

I have read more than once in the forum that it is not important but the interest rate debt. There must be something right, because historically, interest rate and inflation has gone hand in hand. It is not the first time that the rates are as they are, and a few years ago were 13% and 11% IPF, but clear, then you could buy a home for 2,000,000 pesetas old, who posed a% indebtedness on the payroll much smaller than it now represents. Housing prices, increased by 20% per annum, which means that in 5 years ¿twice its price? Where was this? The problem comes mainly from the source: City councils funded solely with work permits greater (and now are in trouble, raising the IBI and other taxes ...), owners of solar-sellers about the exorbitant prices m2, promoters, buyers of these Sun then had to pass on these prices in homes, appraisers passing through the hoop, banks that accept these valuations and saw the business of the century by giving huge amounts of these loans, buyers who before the deed and resold it profited when least € 18,000, and here we return to the whiting that bites its tail, buyers who accept these prices, banks tasaban and passing through the ring, because not only get a mortgage but also a pool, cards, pension plan, etc ... Now everything is back to a normal dimension, the dimension that you never had to be lost and what has happened has happened: unemployment in the construction sector and satellites: kitchen furniture, toilets, tiles, marbles ... This just could happen in our beloved Spain to earn money easily and quickly. I wonder how they will restructure the entire industry now ...

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# 31, Maior

Oct. 7, 2008, at 10:12.

The makeup, whatever they use, are tolerated (all without exception) over a very short period of time. Then, it corrupts the product is purchased and visibly worse than it has been used before.
The makeup has a single purpose: to impress the observer. And why would you want to impress the observer? Well, for trick or embaucarlo.
Therefore, I do not think we should allow makeup to fool us. The truth will always be better, despite the fact that "Veritas solet amara esse" (The truth is often bitter.

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# 32, ame76

Oct. 7, 2008, at 10:13.

# 17 Anonymous,

and even enough to watch the signing

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# 33, danika

Oct. 7, 2008, at 10:14.

My question is, once to rescue the banks who will rescue the remaining companies.

I think there are many more things at stake besides those already active contaminated ordinary people to understand as we have crushed hundreds of billions of euros because of a problem that also calculator in hand would affect five times less than what that it has done since the Spanish banks operating in a totally different way and there is not even that tenure.

What happened to oil? and with inflation? and that goes for the housing bubble? And that goes for the bag?

All this is fine when the banks have no problems with money depreciated. I find it too easy.

A greeting.

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# 34, gatuso

Oct. 7, 2008, at 10:14.

The 2009 is the year of ...

CONSUMER

will have to stay:

consumer car

consumed the same salary

consumer roof

consumer apparel same

consumed the same pair of socks

and if God wants ...

consumer same job

we can not really complain!!

above the same con -

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# 35, Anonymous

Oct. 7, 2008, at 10:17.

What about the IBEX?

It started with gains of 2% and is now in negative -0.5 %!!!!

If this is the rebound ... Until we reach depths?

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# 36, Raul_VLC

Oct. 7, 2008, at 10:18.

info

http://www.finanzas.com/noticias/bolsas/2008-10-07/48768_mercado-clama-rebaja-tipos-interes.html

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# 37, Vicente Varo

Oct. 7, 2008, at 10:18.

I have to always valued the assets at market prices? I do not have as clear. Let's assume that manufacturing phones at a cost of 1,000 euros, but suddenly it's crazy, and nobody wants mobile for fear of causing cancer, and people just stood ready to buy today at 1 euro. Do you have to recognize that loss of 999 euros per terminal? I think not, your stock of the phones do not gonna sell all today, the market price for today but for several months or years. Therefore, counting on price today is not the optimal formula. What happens is that until now has not been found so easy.

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# 38, bloval

Oct. 7, 2008, at 10:25.

Something similar has happened to the buildings,

How many companies and banks have revalued its real estate holdings at market prices, scoring a benefit that in practice is fiction?

Well, now that the loss was scored "a reassessment" also

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# 39, Dalma

7 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:26.

Esta es una buena noticia, al menos para los hipotecados…..

http://www.finanzas.com/noticias/bolsas/2008-10-07/48768_mercado-clama-rebaja-tipos-interes.html

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# 40 , Dalma

7 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:27.

Y esta tambien puede ser una buena noticia…..

http://www.finanzas.com/noticias/bolsas/2008-10-07/48802_bolsas-respiran-mientras-mercado-especula.html

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# 41 , guillermo ramon

7 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:27.

el principio de prudencia ha dejado de ser el más importante en los principios contables….
¿casualidad o causalidad?

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# 42 , Carlos Lopez

7 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:27.

# 38 , bloval
Y por no hablar del suelo…

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# 43 , Prudencio

7 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:28.

Mi no entender…

Resulta ahora que “maquillando los balances” se puede vivir en un mágico mundo de colores… pero ¿y cuando haya que lavarse la cara?

Quero decir: a ver si esto va ser como salir a tomar unas copas, ligarte a Charlize Theron y despertarte con Florinda Chico (con todos mis respetos).

Muy bueno tiene que ser el maquillaje que se aplique… porque el patio no está como Florinda Chico… más bien… ¡como el FEO DE LOS HERMANOS CALATRABA!

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# 44 , Juan

7 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:29.

Repasemos las “mejores soluciones” para la crisis expuestas hasta ahora:

- Comprar “activos tóxicos” con dinero público para asumir las pérdidas (EEUU, Plan Paulson)
- Inyectar dinero en los bancos que se han dedicado a la ingeniería financiera y nos han llevado a esto (EEUU y Europa según parece)
- Blanquear el dinero negro a nivel de estado (España)
- Falsear la contabilidad de las empresas (EEUU ¿Europa?)

Voy a proponer otra ya que estamos: Vamos a empezar de nuevo la partida de Monopoly y que nos repartan 20.000 $ a cada uno. ¡Ah!, más de uno debería empezarla directamente desde la cárcel ;-P

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# 45 , Deimos Fenix

7 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:31.

Buenos días a tod@s
A pesar de llevar unos pocos días sin escribir, sigo leyendo la página a diario.
Inicio el tocho del día.
Sigo trabajando las mismas horas que hace 3 años y sigo cobrando lo mismo (con una pequeña subida vía IPC “oficial” que no real)
El valor de mi zulito ha caído (aunque no pienso en venderlo, estoy al día de su cotización) por encima del IPC.
La cartera de valores ha sufrido una depreciación del 20% respecto a valores 28/09/07
Y por supuesto la cuota de la hipoteca que le tengo que pasar mensualmente a mi consorte, digo al bancpiro sube con el euribor como la espuma en una fuente con dixan.
Y yo digo, ¿hay solución?
PUES SI LA HAY, lo que no hay son redaños para llevarlas a cabo.

1º Nacionalización de los sectores fundamentales de la Economía, Energía, Comunicaciones y Banca. Vuelta a mama Estado los pilares de la economía. El estado propietario del 51% del valor, aunque sea por rescate, adquisición o expropiación pura y dura.
El libre mercado no funciona, pues volvemos a la intervención estatal.
2º Transparencia Fiscal. Aún nacionalizadas, que sigan haciendo negocio y sigan cotizando en Bolsa, con los margenes y beneficios para el resto de los accionistas.
3º Liberación del yugo de la dependencia energética. Nucleares, centrifugadoras de material e investigación en energías alternativas.
4º Transporte de mercancías a través de ferrocarril, más barato, y menos contaminante.
5º Regulación de los precios básicos de la energía, combustibles y materias de primera necesidad.
6º IVA por tramos: 1ª necesidad, básicos y energía 4% - alimentación 6%
Articulos al consumo y tecnologicos 18% - Articulos de lujo, y 2ªs 3ªs y posteriores viviendas para un mismo patrimonio 45%.
7º Tramos IRPF realmente justos. Minimo personal anual 6800€, Exento para declarar inf a 18.000€ independientemente de los pagadores.
12% de18M € a 24M, 19% de 24M€ a 46M, 36% de 46M€ a 80M y por tramos de 3% por cada 10M superior a 80M
Impuesto de patrimonio y retenciones a cuenta por valores 20% de los bienes.
8º Inspecciones fiscales eficaces. Obligación de declarar operaciones financiaras superiores a 3000 € TODAS.
9º Fiscalización aduanera off UME, Aranceles a la entrada, y control del dumping mercantil.
10º Prohibición de apalancamiento monetario superior a la garantía de pago.

Y ultima propuesta, por hoy, fiscalización de activos hipotecarios de las entidades de crédito, con un periodo de carencia de intereses durante 9 meses para todos los pagos, mientras se verifican los activos.

Perdón por el tocho, pero los nervios de mi futura boda (en breve 10d) es lo que tiene

Ni la Macarena, ni la Mareueta ni San Pedro Virgen y Mártir.

PS Buena idea Clopez el cambio de la gráfica y del logo de la página.

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# 46 , Delshannon

7 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:34.

# 36 , Raul_VLC

Bueno Raul, lo de que bajarán tipos, vale, pero el asunto es cuándo.

Parece que la fecha posible y “normal” más próxima es 23/10, aunque nadie puede asegurar nada.

Tal como se ven las cosas también lo pueden hacer en cualquier momento, pero esa extraordinaria tal vez crearía más miedo todavía, aunque desués de mucho leer, pero en realidad sin conocimiento, lógicamente, de sus entrañas, sigo pensando que será antes del 23, pero…

Decir se puede decir lo que SE CREE, pero la realidad es la realidad, y está muy lejos de nosotros y de nuestro conocimiento, aunque nos empeñemos en pensar lo contrario.

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# 47 , R. GROVE

7 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:35.

Esto no puede seguir asi señores el euribor se desploma. Se necesita urgentemente cambiar la referencia.

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# 48 , Dalma

7 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:41.

Parece que hoy tambien nos dara un respiro el euribor, no???? Veremos que pasa a las 11.00

Nombre Último Variación % Máximo Anual Mínimo Anual Fecha Hora
EURIBOR 1M 5.15 0.00 5.15 4.15 07/10 10:24
EURIBOR 1W 4.92 0.81 4.92 4.05 06/10 17:11
EURIBOR 1Y 5.48 0.00 5.49 4.43 07/10 10:24
EURIBOR 2M 5.20 0.00 5.20 4.30 07/10 10:24
EURIBOR 2W 4.97 1.81 4.97 4.13 06/10 17:11
EURIBOR 3M 5.33 0.00 5.33 4.45 07/10 10:24
EURIBOR 6M 5.40 0.00 5.40 4.45 07/10 10:24
EURIBOR 9M 5.42 0.00 5.42 4.45 07/10 10:24
EURIBOR ON 4.35 1.15 4.37 3.23 07/10 10:24

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# 49 , JavierML

7 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:43.

#12 Droblo,

Miedo me da …

Cuando se empezó a hablar de los 700.000 millones (2.000 dólares por contribuyente americano) fue hace casi dos semanas, y coincidí con una profesora de derecho norteamericana, de una universidad de Illinois y estuvimos hablando entre otras cosas de todo esto, era el tema del día. Me atreví a calcularle unos 8.000 dólares por persona. Y se llevó las manos a la cabeza. Así que (de momento) piensas que va a ser el doble … Es decir, unos 70.000 dólares por familia media de 4 miembros, que se añadirán al pago de impuestos habitual ¿en qué periodo calculas que tendrán que hacer frente a ese coste?

Y ahora me da más miedo, porque el IBEX se acaba de dar la vuelta …

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# 50 , droblo

7 de Octubre de 2008, a las 10:48.

Javier ML,
como veo que te va la marcha
mira estas cifras que salieron justo el día de la votación del plan de rescate:
http://www.safehaven.com/images/shaw/11409_large.png

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