An exceptional situation that may become frequent

Yesterday a false rumor sank the actions of United Airlines lost in USA make up 76% in minutes (some reports commented downs of 99% but this was a mistake of agencies). Dio Like the airline denied. We are talking about a service company that uses mid-size to 55 thousand people. Fortunately, the price of the shares back and closed losing "only" slightly over 11%.

Is it normal that he was so much credit to a rumor, a false story, to ignore the official denial of the company? It should not be so but if we remember all the statements made by leaders, drivers, politicians, rating agencies, brokers, regulators ... prior to the bankruptcy of Bear Stearns and the collapse of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Is it ridiculous to act hysterically any doubt about the viability of the company where you bought shares?

Imagine for a moment that what has happened with UAL would have happened with a bank and began to spread that is bankrupt and that the shares have fallen by 99%: With the flood of customers withdrawing funds, although the news was 100% false, eventually became 100% true ...

UAL could not be the first victim of this financial widespread lack of confidence. The entire global economic system is based on trust: from the first rung is the believe that the value of money (after all a piece of paper) to the last, which could rely on the macro-economic figures which are produced by Governments and central banks. In between there are many levels-most-cited before, and many are at stake: a fertilizer that is perfect for the fear and thus to the volatility. That is the future stock market that I think we expected: a lot of speculation and very little investment.

And the real economy? Without trust there is no credit and no credit, there is no investment ...

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# 1, Carlos Lopez

September 9, 2008, at 18:38.

Today I have the honor to build collaborator, Droblo. So welcome and I will read more over here.

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# 2, Sig

September 9, 2008, at 18:59.

And with the advent of the Internet, the rumorología is even worse, I remember when a blog electronics (engadget) published a story about mistaken apple and its shares fell 4%. And it was then that the bag was happy, now, not what I want to imagine

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# 3, XYZ

September 9, 2008, at 19:06.

Welcome Droblo (joer.. I was entangled in the language as a twister).

I hope you're not just a rumor Carlos.

Well, really. What this company I think is the best proof that the international financial markets are all a-balls-2

I believe that nobody trusts anybody, and lower the cul sigh lose by selling the shares. So go with these bags up and down every day.

God, as someone drop a Bulo mounted with a well thought poquillo advertising ... .. something is sinking, fixed.

And all this oil as does the walk? because I read here that had fallen from $ 100

Greetings

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# 4, Copero

September 9, 2008, at 19:07.

You know who says the lesson of No.1 by broker fascicle that appears on newsstands in September: "Buy the rumor and sell the news" (or vice versa, if the rumor is bad).
It is in these times of "volatility" in which large fortunes are forged.

Sincerely yours.

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# 5, bloval

September 9, 2008, at 19:07.

I think that the same is happening today at Lehman, Or this time if that is true? It is true that there is very little trust, truth

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# 6, XYZ

September 9, 2008, at 19:07.

Or is it just a rumor?

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# 7, bloval

September 9, 2008, at 19:09.

indeed, the future of the crude of Texas at 104.5, 103.5 minimum
difficult to break the 100 easily.

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# 8, I write the rumor

September 9, 2008, at 19:11.

http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/commodities/energyprices.html

Nymex Crude Future 103.95 -2.39 -2.25 12:24
Dated Brent Spot 99.73 -1.73 -1.70 12:53 :)
WTI Cushing Spot 103.83 -2.51 -2.36 12:05

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# 9, Ludomar

September 9, 2008, at 19:18.

Droblo a joy to be here on this page that I read every day to check the Euribor (dichosa mortgage) and guard against oil.

Congratulations Carlos on the new filing, the articles of Droblo not have to end and now it can be read from several financial pages; Euribor, Carpathians and his blog.

Dangerous that this bag, look better bulls on the sidelines, because with or without rumor rumor you can get a corner and let mortally wounded because the decreases in the last days of -40% to -85% which is coming to give in a single day are fatal in need financially.

SalU2

Ludo

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# 10, condonacion_jeje

September 9, 2008, at 19:34.

At the risk of sounding heavy ... when you put a hand ZP oil? pq this is a tomadura hair OQ happens here ..? we will be turning into banana republic? q m afraid wrong step leads this .... We do not like the first keda more to throw petrol c ... .. I have begun to limit the maximum buy in the shops of service stations ... as that of SM charged twice for the same m not ... liked a lot.

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# 11, Mary

September 9, 2008, at 19:35.

Hello:

I have long reading the forum, and although today it may not be the best day to join (which is why the feast and the bridge), I would felicitaros to all your poker reviews (including yesterday on how much can cost or not basket at home) ayudáis me a lot to understand this great world of economics, finance, mortgages ...

A greeting to everyone s!

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# 12, XYZ

September 9, 2008, at 19:45.

Solbes said that there was "potential risk" of recession but NOT JOIN that scenario!

And with that ... it is working?

Is that .... Finally, I callus. I prefer not to comment because I will say a lot.

http://www.eleconomista.es/espana/noticias/741128/09/08/-Solbes-dice-que-existe-posibilidad-y-riesgo-de-recesion-pero-que-no-trabaja-con-esa -hypothesis-.html

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# 13, Juan

September 9, 2008, at 19:46.

Glad to be here Droblo on this site.
I see her daily blog (and very few others) and I always have the safety of meeting a text that has been thought of before, that is original (see his birth, his origin in signing him) and that reveals a critical attention to the reality (not just economic) full of common sense, rationality.
Droblo is not an echo, is a voice.
What a joy.

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# 14, condonacion_jeje

September 9, 2008, at 19:47.

September 9, 2008, at 19:39.

# 151, Carlos Lopez

September 9, 2008, at 19:21.

# 149, I lose?
In principle Droblo (new partner) will make Friday a weekly summary and publish any article sporadically, so things will more or less as now (it is possible that the comment of the week go to the public on Saturdays).
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OR PUBLISHED IF NO NO NO T LIKE? XDDDD

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# 15, VICTOR

September 9, 2008, at 19:49.

is the first creation of jobs that I hear in a long time. In this forum there is no crisis.

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# 16, danika

September 9, 2008, at 20:02.

Hello

Within a month and a half will be the 79 anniversary of the famous crack from 29 (Thursday October 24 1929) and I hope that history will not repeat itself because this year falls on Friday.
At this rate at year end will be able to buy General Motors, half of American banks and a couple of real estate with the pension of my grandmother.

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# 17, Maior

September 9, 2008, at 20:17.

This article, like all of DROBLO, the story is simple and without frills for a fact that has happened in the sancta sanctorum of the markets and that probably has done more damage than the hurricane which will arrive on Saturday to the U.S..
Congratulations on the incorporation, and .... expect much from this seasoned and smart new signing !!!!!

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# 18, fyahball

September 9, 2008, at 20:19.

# 14, condonacion_jeje

jejejeje I never thought I would say this:

THERE HAS LE DAO! XDDDDDDDDDD!

BURN DEM DIRTY WAYS!

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# 19, condonacion_jeje

September 9, 2008, at 20:49.

fyahball:

things clear and chocolate thick not? XDDDD

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# 20, qwertyu

September 9, 2008, at 20:50.

I think that the price of oil is another. Fortunately. It is what sank the economy and that is what saved us (is just a wish).
http://www.igmarkets.es/

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# 21, Thalmann

September 9, 2008, at 21:53.

I would say as kostolany: speculator, that most noble profession ... .!!!!!

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# 22, bloval

September 9, 2008, at 21:55.

Lehman -45%, SP500 -3% of annual minimum path ...
seems this time is no false news

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# 23, Mo.

September 9, 2008, at 22:08.

And speaking of rumors, could not use this strategy Mr knife when he speaks?, It is clear that every time something is going to say the value of the Euribor first is waiting and then reacts. If I read somewhere appearance that everything is going well and that is not so much that inflation is being supercontrolando, etc, etc, etc?. Do not you get that down?. Say you give us a conference with the placebo effect. (It's just a suggestion)

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# 24, Sergio

September 9, 2008, at 22:26.

Because they do not know how happy I am with the collapse of Lehman that has dragged around with ... NOT forget that there is a tendency that the bassist and no time had been sold.

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# 25, Don

September 9, 2008, at 22:46.

Someone has stopped thinking about the money they generate for the state to legalize and regulate prostitution?
It is a fact that prostitution exists and if the government legalized the build:
- Failing to see them through the streets.
- Failing to see prostitution as a bad way to earn a living.
- It was a lot of money channeled black.
- Prostitutes win in their rights and safety.
- Customers would be safer to use its services.
- It would have more people contributing to Social Security.
- It would be a good claims for tourists ...
I think that all this would mean more advantages than disadvantages ... And you, what do you think?

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# 26, cemaral

September 9, 2008, at 23:00.

It's an immense joy that in economic forums and with actual knowledge of experiences in financial markets, we have a professional with a clear and simple language can reach many investors lost by the subtle language and technicians in the end only confused. Congratulations to the address by filing that it will delight readers. Cemaral greetings.

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# 27, canyago

September 9, 2008, at 23:02.

Hello everybody.

Curious that only a few months ago, seemed to be nearing the end of the world, with the Crude near $ 100 and now that same figure with the look and joy to think that by itself can save us from the feared crisis.

Greetings to all and hello to the new partner

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# 28, Vinuesa

September 9, 2008, at 23:43.

To the rumors that he had in the military, every day appeared rumors of what was to happen and at 99.99% were false.

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# 29, Ghostbusters

September 10, 2008, at 0:20.

Can we know that those studies have said the oil would be put at 200 euros?. The problem of the crisis is that there is plenty smart he is thought who knows everything and does not know or write.

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# 30, David TFE.

September 10, 2008, at 0:22.

That something is defamed, who said a friend ... it would be interesting to know who was in purple to buy the huge drop, although of course, also what I'm naive, I do not think it was as shameless as to highlight and denounce those who infuses this rumor.

Anyway.

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# 31, Aralar

September 10, 2008, at 0:33.

Qwertyu am with you, I think the oil to lower levels of $ 80 will be the salvation expected to this crisis. The rise in oil upload l did ipc and the Euribor (more or less) both have unleashed not able to cope with the debts and mortgage business. Once you have exploited the bubbles in the property market in road transport and lack of liquidity, lower oil and inflation (and hopefully the Euribor) will return to a healthier economy starting from 0. Fees will pick up pace but in a consistent manner. Young people will realize that work is not only from Monday to Friday, as thousands of migrants knows that "necessary" in our country by a lack of willing workers.
Luck to all

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# 32, thinking and breathing

September 10, 2008, at 2:41.

yes, yes, another rumor, at the petrol station in my village this diesel to 0.74 €, is just a rumor, to see if the others get scared and go down too, which already applies to them, when they rose oil, rose istante to gasoline, but now that low, do not fall, LONG LIVE THE FREE TRADE. or should I say "Long live the flock of sausages."

On the other hand, today I have seen in a restaurant near my work who have again put the menu ZP € 6, is a menu that is not looked into years, only to be called Felipe menu, the menu coast
few eggs, potatoes and many sausages.

and the last to close the door and turn off the light, and in that order.

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# 33, NAVARRICOPUES

September 10, 2008, at 6:35.

Hello everybody.
Recently was published that the price of oil had not been something normal (exceptional situation) and would stand of 130 aa 80 or 90 a barrel. I could have been a Bulo hacercarse but it seems to reality. Now would not that be the next in the Euribor down? Do they expect? I have the revision in December and the calandracas me tremble in two years 180 more each month and if this continues like this year € 50 more.
There is a better life, but will have to live under a bridge.
Good morning everyone.

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# 34, No joke ... layoffs

September 10, 2008, at 8:02.

Ford, introduced ERE will affect 1,300 workers at Almussafes

The address of the Ford factory in Almussafes reported on Tuesday the committee of the company submitting a Record of Employment Regulation (ERE) that will affect about 1,300 workers a total of about 7,000. According to the spokesman confirmed to Reuters on CCOO-PV in this factory, Miquel Rosaleny, workers who would affect the ERE are mainly from the night shift. According to unions, management justifies the ERE by falling sales of vehicles that is being recorded so widespread in that sector.

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# 35, Ojo what Solbes said ...

September 10, 2008, at 8:04.

"The risk, the possibility of recession is there, and that is a concern. What I have always said and I repeat now what is that we do not at this moment we are working with that hypothesis, "Solbes said in an interview on Cadena Ser.

So, Solbes accepts the possibility of recession but ... DO NOT WORKING WITH SCENARIOS ESA!

My God! So, what is? In what is working ...?

God saves us or not ...

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# 36, Mandatory Reading ...

September 10, 2008, at 8:09.

... On the Euribor

It's going up! Since. ¿Scramble more?, Will remain where it is?, Because I do not know the truth. To be completely honest, I felt ECB that the slight decrease in rates this spring, which would have any reflection on the Euribor, but M. Trichet & friends are more classic than a tailor in Old Bond Street and being applied to the manual Erre Erre. Anyway, as the option of productivity for the time being no, because we will continue as we are.

Well, if so far rates have stayed where they are and the Euribor leads the march that goes into it is obvious that until November is not going to move a thing (down, of course). Beginning in November rates in the EMU will start to go down and no longer will stop until virtually 0% in 2011. The question is, in this scenario, what will the Euribor?.

The Euribor, let us not forget, is the price at which the entities that store the pasta is rendered. You can say what they want, but the final truth on the Euribor is at the level that is because it is stored pasta is not relying on one another, nothing, not a hair (which, on the other hand, has all the logic of the world: if one of these entities look at the portfolio of clients who have, is as if he were watching from the other, so ...). The questions then are: how will evolve confidence among those grocer pulp and that impact is going to have the system in such a trend?.

Since November the crisis will begin to manifest itself, both above and below: worsening macroaggregates, yes, but also workers who see their businesses closed or reduced staffing (I commented recently a director of a financial institution that Spanish there will be people who, when he returns from vacation, you are lowering the shutters of the company in which worked). In that scenario, what will happen to the Euribor?.

Two possibilities. First. Displaying the ECB's progressive collapse of economic activity (in the U.S., rates may be placed at 1.5% between December 2008 and January 2009), you will begin to reduce the interest of money, but when the activity decreasing defaults and non-delinquent-shoot was; requests for loans will increase, but not so much to undertake new activities, but simply to survive; face the dilemma of enhancing their business and increase the number of problems, financial institutions decide reduce business, maintain positions, and expect inefficiency clean, so the Euribor, far from down, grows even more.

(This possibility is a variant: the end of the year, early next comes the bankruptcy of at least one major financial institution; of this happen, mistrust will be even greater, so the risk premium on interbank loans will be even greater, so the Euribor will grow even more).

Second. If the fall in economic activity is much more sudden or abrupt than estimated, the demand for loans will be reduced, so too will the lending between financial institutions: if anyone calls or calls very little, what is the point that the price is high?.

(Also this possibility is a variant: if the evolution towards the above scenario becomes more rapid than anticipated, the Euribor, regardless of their level, it will become merely a reference testimonial: Study will be case by case and the request by petition, from which will emerge as a Euribor for each customer and for every occasion).

The first possibility is terrible: only those archisolventes may obtain a loan, the impact on the economy, in terms of volume of activity will be devastating, not productivity. The second is death by inactivity: everything stopped, frozen, nobody moves, the perfect stillness, the dead zone.

Today I am not clear to where we are, really. We continue to believe, and where it is clear, I assure you that. Will be the first to know.

(They say, they say, that there are financial institutions that have employed their instructive to / for you, when someone enters one of its agencies and is interested in a mortgage, respond with a panoply of arguments disincentives, including that ' the floors are going to lose more. "Yet if it is said, and no matter what the argument lucky, this is absolutely true: the prices of property will be reduced more, much more, much more).

(Catalonia as an example, okay. It has already rained, reserves reservoir will reach almost 50% are over restrictions!. What we said here: the rain that nobody will revert to four drops of superproblemón remember that we have over the lack water and waste ...: You knew. that, on some pipelines, reaches lost 50% of the water flowing through them?. It has already rained, then-all-politicians may say, 'and we will deal another day This item, and if we are lucky, will address other. "Viva efficiency!).

(It makes the hair stand on end (at my puts me): the outstanding amount of loans granted by the Savings-boxes only: Cash-only amounts to 80% of GDP in the kingdom. Da exactly like the pace of grant is slowing: it is an exaggeration, and worse: without that enormity of debt to GDP has not been that it has been. MORE. The boxes, to grant such credits have been granted, had to fetch an amount that equals 13% of GDP in the kingdom, why? because their deposits because they were not adequate for both loans. The Euribor rises, because if, but how is that the main problem?).

(More. Yesterday, Minister of Housing, in TVE: said it is the right time to buy a home. Yes?, Considering it has already begun the rising number of unemployed / ye, huh?, Considering that housing prices will fall too much, very much, yes?, if today is easier than bottom-up rain to get a mortgage. What would be the real reason that the Minister, said what he said? ).

Signed: SNB

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# 37, Manu

September 10, 2008, at 8:19.

Without doubt, any rumor is able to knock down a company at this time. If soltásemos a malicious rumor about the company more important than you you can imagine, the bankrupt at a time.
And do not tell you anything about the banks ...
There are agencies that are involved in monitoring the market and that should act in such cases is ... something else to do so or that new technologies have become obsolete.

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# 38, Anonymous

September 10, 2008, at 8:19.

Not sigáis councils or forecast anything that comes out on TV. It's Total purchases by politicians.

ZP said the economic performance again in the second half of 2008 ... and see what we are!

And now correcting, said it would be in the second half of 2009 ... and goes running to climb the highest mountain in the Picos de Europa ... so they do not beat him ...! Liar ... by the end of 2009, the truth is that there will be a 20% unemployment.

And Solbes, which in theory should be looking to avoid that go into RECESIÓN ... and uncle goes and says that there are many possibilities to get into it ... but it IS NOT WORKING WITH SCENARIOS ... what ESA MIEDOOOOOOO !!!!!

I do not know ... I'm the only one who realizes this?

Greetings!

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# 39, bloval

September 10, 2008, at 8:19.

Somebody put a link where peude say what volume of CFD's have been negotiated in Spain? I'd like to know how it operates compared to the traditional actions.
Thank you

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# 40, Euribor up up!

September 10, 2008, at 8:20.

*******

The comment is mine ... 41.

By the way ... ... Solbes ZP and some LIES !!!!!!!

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# 41, Manu

September 10, 2008, at 8:20.

By the way, great signing for the Web. I read your blog regularly, and their comments are always a source of reflection, very weary and very objective.
Welcome, Droblo.

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# 42, Paniagua

September 10, 2008, at 8:37.

Not that I get more scared if the economic situation or our minister of economy, saying that he does not work with the hypothesis of the recession, then will be working with the GDP growth of 3% and 0% unemployment?, If you are not listening today that the measures taken by the government for the crisis, because if that is his adviser, do deliver clear. OPEC cuts production to lower the barrel to no less than 100 dollars. (speculators do not want to get off inflation, because there is a way). ERE everywhere (especially automobile) ... It is difficult to have confidence, especially when who should generate contradicts continuously. In order not to go if a bridge or tirarme him. That day we wait ...

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# 43, MARIA LUISA

September 10, 2008, at 8:51.

I enjoy reading the articles in the droblo. It is simple yet explains things in a logical and coherent. I like their reasoning. Congratulations ... ....

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# 44, Salva

September 10, 2008, at 8:58.

Totally agree with the article, but wonder, who must build trust? It is clear that in our country rulers and politicians in the opposition.

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# 45, ginlabel

September 10, 2008, at 9:06.

# 15, VICTOR
your very wise comment, which also served to remind me the big surprise that I took this weekend reading the press. A real estate with an announcement OFFERS JOB and also INDEFINITE. Will be working with the same assumptions that Solbes :)

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# 46, Andalusia

September 10, 2008, at 9:24.

Ladies and gentlemen, what is promised debt, albeit with a day late, sorry.

1) State financing for the purchase of housing (not throw your hands to the head as he explained), provided they are within the following parameters:
- Funding maximum € 120,000 (this can not be attached another type of funding, because then one of the measures that we want is regulation of the price of housing not be met).
- Deadline for financing 20 years (they are 500 € quota when the quota change in a client who has 20 years by applying a 6% interest it rises to 859 €, with this fee we are paying € 206,160, for which we fuck to pay that, if we were costing € 120,000, and this good, no? Ladies stupid fools).
- Just for the purchase of the first housing (first and hopefully last, and this well, the houses are for living, and not for speculation, which wants to buy three homes that prompted the money to the bank, from the second home acquired, would lose state funding for even the first who acquired).
- Requiring minimum grades in housing, in addition to requiring a minimum floor area of 90 square meters (be regularized the market, since nobody would buy outside these parameters, we are not fools, who also managed to perform quality housing for all the world who wants to produce, there are 500 € to pay for that you have to work,).
- To get this money, began to make a generalized rise in personal income tax and corporation tax (instead of giving the money to the bank, what we give in to the state for the common good), plus complete elimination of the model and the VPO model GUARANTEE OF SOCIAL HOUSING (in these houses of the social guarantee that inhabit pay a monthly fee of 30 to 50 €, most of them ever becoming unemployed until the last consequences, and throwing farm laborers, they themselves are paid, and to leave the accounts, we will help them, but otherwise, without the scam to others, giving them the training they need).

2) radical change in the country's energy structure (that requires a large amount of manpower, jeje, you know what I fuck up at 7 o'clock in the morning, and that many others may do so at 11 a day, June, to be a Curran said, but good, but it is my envy of those who rise up to 11 days, oil and nuclear are loading the environment, apart from drowning and become a country dependent on others muchos países, por eso tenemos que ponernos a desarrollar tecnologías para la creación de energías limpias, baratas y rentables, ya exportar se a dicho, pero no sol, que solo exportamos ladrillos en Málaga, a exportar fuentes energéticas limpias, además de dejar nosotros de comprar energía fuera. PIB, joder.
3) Cambio en el sistema educativo (ya esta bien de que tengan a treinta niños metidos en la misma aula, mas profesores, cambiar el sistema de evaluación, incidir en los niños que no obtienen los conocimientos deseados, muchos de ellos viven en situaciones familiares no beneficiosas, y no hablo solo de los que viven en las tres mil de Sevilla).

Bueno señora/es con esto y un bizcocho hasta mañana a las ocho.

PD: Mano Negra, esto no supone un cambio brusco en la mentalidad de las personas, en quitarles la propiedad privada, ni mucho menos, pero si enfocarlos a un modo de vida mas sostenible, y en el que el objetivo sea la reducción paulatina del horario de trabajo y el aumento de la calidad de vida.

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# 47 , bloval

10 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 9:26.

Yo creo que los mercados son pura psicología y un trasunto de las relaciones humanas.
¿Confiaríamos en una persona que nos miente?
Pues eso debe aplicarse a las autoridades, políticas y monetarias. Y principalmente a los bancos centrales.
No se puede decir que dos empresas están suficientemente capitalizadas ya las pocas semanas intervenirlas porque van a quebrar…

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# 48 , mayte

10 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 9:27.

En ocasiones, desgraciadamente, es muchisimo mas sencillo creerse una mentira que aceptar una verdad..

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# 49 , krollian

10 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 9:48.

# 25 , Don:

Las armas, el sexo y las drogas son los negocios más sucios que hay. Bueno, el petróleo y sus miles de muertos también.

Y dudo mucho que aunque la prostitución se legalizase no habría explotación y abuso. Habría que inventarse una escala de humillaciones. Es algo demasiado delicado…

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# 50 , carlos

10 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 9:52.

Tienes razón. Hoy en día todas las fluctuaciones económicas se basan en las expectativas, y éstas se crean por los comentarios de gente irresponsable cuya opinión no merece la atención de todos los que la valoran.
¿no dijo el gobierno que facilitaría los papeles a los inmigrantes y al día siguiente habia hordas de sursaharianos entrando en España?
Lo que han de hacer la gente generadora de opinión es medir siempre sus palabras, porque si se rompe la baraja, ojo…

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