Hangover

What I fuck is that we take the media, manipulated by businesses, politicians, etc. by idiots above them ... now we have to thank that does not cost more .... excuses for thieves.

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/economia/Espana/lidera/bajada/gasolina/paises/zona/euro/elpepueco/20080905elpepieco_7/Tes

Good morning, if the obsession is to control inflation and thus harden the guarantees to borrow money from banks to obtain credit will be very complicated so that consumption will be very "touched" people do not consume therefore lower prices, I get it up there. What they do not block me is that in 2006 such loans were granted almost "blindly" and inflation was around 3% not?. Actually I do not understand anything. If further harden the conditions for granting credits suffers consumption and therefore we will be worse.
Greetings to all.

Standard & Poor's denies the existence of a 'housing bubble' in Spain

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2008/01/16/suvivienda/1200501239.html

xDDDD

Anda those who are supposed to know, sabne lot ... and does not have much time.

I am going to make a compilation of archive, we are going to laugh cloth ...

Saludines

I think that the "knife" and company, know that the monetary policy they have acquired is not positive, but clearly not going to give his arm to twist and acknowledging that have been wrong with rate hikes.

Do not worry you'll have to give up and assume the economic needs of Europe that pass through lower rates.

Remember what happened in the U.S. and think about the saying "When you see your neighbor's beard peel, po yours to soak," but in a positive sense.

Good Friday

# 3, Dani

Totally agree Dani, the media like this all you do is manipulate. I remember when a minister (a) came out in summer on the TV saying that the price of petrol went down after the August holiday retail travel and other, and yet it has gone up at least in my area 1 2 cents.
The nerve of oligopolies of the gas stations are endless and their friends in the government, less.

Greetings

Good morning to all the hangovers s @ sy especially CLopez, which today has taken a bit redeemed in the undertow.

The news that the grandfather of Heidi left rates as they were was more than expected.
With the € in regard to the $ frank relapse, with the drop in oil and soft technique, still far from its floor price, with a GDP of the Euro Zone in frank and German recession, with rampant inflation, Trintechillo, whether to continue or has chosen to continue to follow.
Downs are not expected soon (for Christmas is very little) and neither will the style Federica a brutal (as do all Americans)
We are in crisis, the government closed the tap on immigration "legal" and illegal dies in Cayucos blue in the strait looking for "The European Dream," the strike stops more than 2.5M of small economies and yesterday, at this very forum, almost daggers appear on Racism and Xenophobia.
And the "burden" of Upupa continues with its daily litany of copypaste.
Dear Upupa Forero, someone I think I said yesterday, "then what?"

We drown and the water already reached by the armpits. Or swim and tighten your ass to get something free shore, or the water will come, that there is still time for crisis (my optimistic forecast 2nd T 2009) to the level of the eyes.
Those who are waiting to be drowning, to be saved and we must move fast.

Neither the Macarena or the Mareueta, or Madonna and San Pedro Martir.

PS Notice to Mariners investors, the cash Blesa and the bear will launch shortly a deposit at 6.5% APR, with no lower limit and up to € 100,000, with the payment of interest .... We will continue to report

A landing ECONOMIC EMERGENCY

"It was clear that the economic landing was not going to be smooth. The comments directed toward this direction were concerned. There would be no soft landing in a country where he had concentrated a brutal part of the credit and growth in the construction and property development, a business that was slowing and also fast. Obviously, from a political point of view and that of the real estate interest to move the message that the situation was temporary.

There have been many kinds of political interests. In fact, Zapatero added that this crisis was a "tiny" to create 'confidence', and what he has done is to upload your credibility a long time. Also, real estate, like the G14 [the lobby of the main promoters of Spain], resisted to accept what was happening. At the end have changed strategy and now say that if they fall "will be charged employment."

The same is happening with the loss of a loved one. In such cases, psychologists describe an initial shock of the family, after his denial of the facts and finally, acceptance of the loss. Thus, the G14 and the government took the first shock and wondered what was going on that nobody was buying houses. Then they have lived the denial of the crisis and, finally, in July, Zapatero said the word crisis, acceptance. By then, the real estate business had already passed the stage of the anger of depression ... But what is yet to come to the stage of acceptance.

This last step is admitting that the flats being built are worth much less than we thought and that if we do not sell at a price more related to the income of the people, not going to sell. Until we reach the stage of acceptance, the crisis is not over, and I do not think we are very close to that. In general there is still that there's always that resistance to lower prices, at least in the intermediate stages. "

Tips before going out to drink:

Eating bread-crumb
Feel better-7 crown in 7 hours, q 3 in an hour.
-Avoid combined sweet (Cointreau, Malibu, triple dry ...)

Tips for getting to sleep after a good pedal:

Sleeping with a foot-supported on the floor (popularly known as "drop anchor")
-If the fart is monumental, lying face down, with the light on and eyes open, not help marearte and you end up beating fatigue.

Should we be positive? ... Hopefully, yes.

http://www.elmundo.es/suplementos/suvivienda/2008/550/1220565625.html

Greetings

Today is Friday and that Curros throughout August and today we begin the holiday muuuy happy ....

In addition to what is already solved the crisis, I heard this morning on TV.

"The government will freeze the salaries of deputies and senior"

My Mother! but these people how much is due to raise the salary? The government believes that this is going to recover everything that was not admitted for the truth that the building had planned an increase in hell are we going ...

Freezing their salaries (which are less charged € 4000 gross + + transport allowances) sure that I manage my rising mortgage, the rise in gasoline, bread, the milk, etc etc .... If instead of freezing it will cut 1 / 3 sure that they put a really Curran to fix something once. Meanwhile, selling smoke. The truth that when they have no idea how to go settle something with jets to distract attention (as the law of abortion ..., for VIVE or plan to relaunch the sale of cars, often cheating, you are obligated to finance the car (100% ) At Euribor +2.5 over a Porrón years, I think ... 6 ... osease more money for banks, such as do not give mortgages, to continue with their colossal profits on the other side)

By the way, that you may know it as saying the crisis is over, and I have found 2 things:

1st When recruiting now my trip in September, after a month in theory "bad", I'm going to any agency hopes to find "authentic Animals" now for September and nothing at all, bids? the usual Animals? none, in the end, one that pulls Internet and find it cheaper to 50% of what they offer the best agency.

During August 2nd went to an international fair that we look at Gijon and some small car (we have one that meets in excess of what plan VIVE and had hope that it could renew at the end revived my old car so you counted before the plan ...) I see a few 0 KM sellers that I assert that they are removing from their hands ... joer with the crisis ... I think the case, the fair and just call me because almost all "still had some KM 0 of equal interest to me, since not all sold, "or everyone, or half think, with the price we had were not Animals, but they are salesmen and they have to cheat to sell.

In the end the consumer fooled by all, government and sellers, to make us believe that everything is going well and that we spend our ahorrillos order to unfreeze the salary to the poor without their deputies to 6000 Euros gross per month will suffer a lot to get to months ..

Well, not wound me, I am happy that today (at last I am going on holiday !!!!)

Two semanitas not break anything, when you come back to see if it is true that if we did not come out of the crisis, at least we are recovering ..

Good weekend for all ...

Ruin - Rumbo
The two staring at the wall and write 1,000 times (not a good ctrl + c + ctrl v)
"If it was not to make, I will refrain from insulting"
That after the string of posts yesterday, for things like starting fights.
The ideologies are dissolved in alcohol and liquid money

Again, another smokescreen for our dear regulators for not doing their job: REGULAR.

Now he tells us that Trichet will harden access to credit from February 2009!! Febrero/09 Like what? Do it NOW! (should have done 5 years ago)

For years they have been allowing the excessive growth of credit worldwide with a careless political bubble, in part causing the crisis we now live. 1 year ago, the bubble exploded and after 1 year without doing anything, it descuelga with something that will WITHIN 6 MONTHS MORE!

Well, nothing, the red light next to me jump, hit a couple of pedestrians and when the judge asked me, I will say: "I thought that was slow within a year and a half."

hola tropa!
he visto muchos mensajes hablando de que se penaliza el consumo. pero quien va a consumir? como siempre un link:
http://www.cotizalia.com/cache/2008/07/16/32_deudas_estrangulan_economia_espanola.html
Como siempre me quedo con una frase, esta:
“¿Es viable un país cuyos ciudadanos deben a los bancos el 130% de su renta disponible? O dicho en otros términos: ¿Qué se puede esperar de una nación que acumula una deuda externa equivalente al 150% de su PIB? Ítem más. ¿Son solventes las empresas españolas teniendo en cuenta que deben al conjunto del sistema financiero 962.333 millones de euros, de los cuales casi la mitad corresponde a empresas del ‘ladrillo’ (constructoras e inmobiliarias)?”
Asi que lo que proponeis muchos aqui, es que todavia se daba mas pasta, pasta que por otro lado supera la que se tiene.
Lo siento, pero esto no tiene logica. el nivel de endeudamiento (en este caso sobreendeudamiento) no es viable y las consecuencias se pagan (se esta viendo claro como esta la cosa, no?).
asi que lo que toca es bajar precios, si se baja precios se consume. el problema es que nadie (o muy pocos) lo hacen.
Por eso estoy de acuerdo con la medidas de trinchette, en este caso, españa, debe bajar su nivel de endeudamiento tanto empresarial como el de los ciudadanos.
salud!
PD: los que estan equivocados son los “politicuchos” que buscan descensos de tipos para ocultar sus nefastas politicas economicas, no trinchette que busca lo mejor para el mercado europeo aunque este suponga un crecimiento bajo durante algun tiempo (no es su competencia el crecimiento sino la estabilidad de precios).

Hola a todos:

A veces hago la tontería de leer cada día de la semana un solo periódico. Me refiero a leer por ejemplo el lunes el País, el martes el Mundo, el miércoles el Heraldo de Aragón, etc. y no necesariamente cuando estoy de resaca.

Ya digo que esto lo hago de vez en cuando. Lo normal es que les eche un vistazo a los titulares de varios periódicos y lea con atención alguna noticia que me llama la atención. Casi siempre noticias de carácter económico.

Esta semana si que estoy en plan selectivo y hoy viernes, en concreto, me ha tocado ojear uno de los medios mas subjetivos desde mi punto de vista. Me refiero a Libertad Digital, el que patrocina Federico Jiménez Losantos.

No creáis que no intento separar el grano de la paja cuando hago esto, porque creo que hasta el más subjetivo tiene siempre algo de razón en lo que dice, por mucho que se abuse de la demagogia. Supongo que porque siempre me ha gustado esa frase de que “hasta un reloj estropeado tiene razón, al menos, un par de veces al día”.

Hoy Libertad Digital destaca estos cuatro titulares:

-Aido solo consultará expertos proabortistas para elaborar la nueva Ley
-El padre de Aido y trece asesores del PSOE se suben el sueldo 3.000€ al mes
-Bono propone congelar el sueldo de los diputados ante la crisis económica
-Eliminar la contratación en origen favorece a las mafias y fomenta la llegada en pateras.

Sobre el primero no opino en este foro.
Sobre el segundo solo me hago la pregunta de cuantos de nosotros, al volver de vacaciones, nos hemos encontrado con una subida salarial de 2.650 € netos al mes. Casi nada. Yo todos los días no gano ese dinero.
Sobre el tercero opino que parece una medida coherente si está propuesta con honradez.
Y sobre la cuarta no opino y mas después de lo de ayer.

Me viene a la cabeza aquella máxima latina de “la mujer del Cesar no solo debe ser honrada sino, además, parecerlo”

Lo de los Aido no solo no es honrado sino que, además, no lo parece. Y mas a alguien que como yo -y como supongo que la mayoría de vosotros- me tengo que preocupar constantemente de cómo anda el euribor cuando me revisen, a cuanto está el gasoil, por qué suben tanto las patatas, y que palo me han dado otra vez con lo puñeteros libros de los críos.

Sobre el tema propuesto por Bono, solo se me ocurre pensar que esta medida parece higiénica, aunque, viniendo de alguien que cobra mas de 10.000 € al mes, parece que pierde fuerza. Yo con ese sueldo no tendría ningún problema en plantear la medida. A alguien que gane 900€ al mes le costaría algo más. ¿No?

¡Que miedo a lo que pase hoy con el euribor después de las palabras de ayer de Trichet!

Buen finde a todos.