A place where there is no crisis.

There is a place in the world where there is no real crisis where constantly being bought and sold real estate speculation rather than a pure and hard, where the champion of champions, as it could not be otherwise, is a Spanish. We speak of Monopoly.

This game more than 70 years is modernized with the times and the most obvious example is that tickets have gone from using a credit card to each player Will there come the liquidity crisis?. In its international version Spaniards have been fortunate to have a city, Barcelona, which has been performed with the image of a bullfighter.

I recently read an interesting article titled: What things have in common with real life and the monopoly?.

As discussed in the article, The monopoly is a true school of entrepreneurs, because they simply playing is an entrepreneur who has the wood.

Regarding the monopoly of truth, that with bricks, mortgages and notaries have to house prices used falls to 15% by adjusting the CPI and is at minimum November 2005.

Prices of three years ago. The average price of housing used in the free market is marking its lowest level since November 2005, at 2677 euros per square meter, according to the latest data from the index produced by the IESE business school for the real estate portal Fotocasa. The fall on-year in August reached 8.4%, while slashing 10% from the peak reached in April 2007. This indicator, which has historic series until January 2005, is based on the price of intent to sell and its variations, so it can be seen as a barometer advance in the sector since it is based on the bid prices, not demand, and in the current paralysis in the sector tend to be above the final prices.

In this case, we speak of a study, no official data, however the statistics around this area are so confusing and unclear that it is impossible to know the real development. For example, here we talk about the "price of intent to sell" and the truth is to do a study with intentions does not seem very scientific.

Today we will have a news conference with Trichet which makes sure that the dancing Euribor tomorrow. Let's see if it remains firm in its fight against inflation or has been influenced by the figures of economic growth in European countries. Yesterday, a German deputy minister said his country could fall into recession.

So in this environment, it seems that we can only look to the oil and said the IMF as well: It will be easier to deal with the crisis if oil drops to $ 100.

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# 1, lui

September 4, 2008, at 9:13.

Good morning everyone

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# 2, DBM

September 4, 2008, at 9:18.

Certainly the monopoly and real life have certain similarities, but also notable differences:
1 .- I've played with friends at the monopoly, which in the worst cases are gamberretes casual. In real life playing professional chorizos
2 .- The value of my property remains constant throughout the game.
3 .- I can call hij Pu * * up banking and continue to take a beer with him.
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At least in spain the game does have a resemblance further. The results depend on the chance (throwing a die). Igualito that the government's current policy.

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# 3, dav

September 4, 2008, at 9:23.

"So in this environment, it seems that we can only look to the oil and said the IMF as well: It will be easier to deal with the crisis if oil drops to $ 100."

And what effect does this have for us? When oil goes up a couple of dollars a barrel, soon to lend to companies ride the price per liter. Now, it has fallen significantly in recent days, anyone noticed at the same speed to get off when the price of fuel?
I'm staying with the excuse of service of my people ... "is that until next Monday the truck will not tell us the new price."

Mangantes band!!

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# 4, elisendilla

September 4, 2008, at 9:29.

hola!
I have a lot of time following this forum, and had never written anything ... and finally today is the day ...
If you follow the game know who is a true entrepreneur seems to me that I have little .. because they always lose .. (as in life itself) ...
Let us hope that Trichet slightly to the side of inflation and focus on countries in crisis and we are going to come ... and we need a respite that makes us

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# 5, Flipper

September 4, 2008, at 9:50.

Hey hey
House prices are now marking those who are forced to sell, and those at the time of purchase.
Because he has an apartment (or several), with intent to sell, but it has no need, you still asking the same price as two years ago. And if you do not want you looking for another, and if you do not sell well, and better times will come and until then if there is one that will pay what it calls hey, welcome.

Those who have to buy because of course, the crisis has come just at the time of emancipation, of his need to make a nest for family. They have to go out and buy, see the prices of the flats they like, Y DO counteroffer to the owners. And if they do not drop the price because another, although not the floor of their dreams.

The fact is that there are cities in which there must be many people with a lot of money and many floors, because you are trying to buy a flat, or a 15% or 5% or anything, the floors are still just as expensive than ever , And nobody low. And if not, try buy an apartment in Honolulu.

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# 6, JAC

September 4, 2008, at 10:00.

# 5, Flipper

Completely agree, I think that leads us to the College of deception "axfisiados" who need to sell (which are increasingly).

I have checked several pages and 100 real estate ads, there are about 5 or 6 that the price go down, the rest are still there.

In short, I believe that the drop in house prices will be directly proportional to the owners need to sell (as always), but not widespread.

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# 7, the worst is to come

September 4, 2008, at 10:00.

*********************

SAVE!
Spend NO!
CONSUMÁIS NO!
DO NOT go to bars!
DO NOT go SHOPPING!
NO COMPRÉIS THINGS THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY NOT NEEDED!

JUST SAVING THE BEST!

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# 8, Invitada81

September 4, 2008, at 10:02.

Hey, I need you aconsejeis a valuer, is with DB and I need a good Taxation for a house north of Madrid. I get to choose between Ibertasa or Tecnitasa.

Any suggestions?

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# 9, for compulsive savers

September 4, 2008, at 10:08.

What you do not see:

Valeo Thermal Zaragoza (Automobile Industry)
Personal 2006: 607 people
Personal 2008: 482

With this I believe that what I say everything

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# 10, My opinion

September 4, 2008, at 10:08.

If you allow me I will give my opinion on the real cause of what we were ahead.

What we are going to happen is the result solely of the holding.

EXPLOITATION OF EVERYTHING: human beings, natural resources, migrants, low wages, ...

Neither more nor less. Any fault of "I want more and more" and the greed of man.

That is what I think. Greetings.

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# 11, Purification

September 4, 2008, at 10:09.

# 5, Flipper

Do not worry, Flipper, who will arrive in Logroño the downhill. According to INE, in the first half of 2008 still grew sales in Galicia and Castilla - La Mancha. What seems clear is that the areas that most were slow to raise prices, will be the last to suffer irreparable downs. About what you comment from Logrono, with a fall of 46% in the community of La Rioja, if there is no decreases in price will have to see some specific factors (which are no longer build anything, not that there were multiple purchases by Investors ...). But it is clear that the adjustment will come, though it will not be of the same magnitude as on the coast or on Dummy type Seseña locations.

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# 12, outraged

September 4, 2008, at 10:09.

Has bottomed out this government?

Corbacho abolish the recruitment of immigrant origin in 2009

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/economia/Corbacho/suprimira/contratacion/inmigrantes/origen/2009/elpepieco/20080904elpepieco_5/Tes

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# 13, JAC

September 4, 2008, at 10:09.

# 8, Invitada81

Tecnitasa not know, but for my area (lift) Ibertasa is famous for its "low" valuations.

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# 14, condonacion_jeje

September 4, 2008, at 10:11.

WHERE'S THE GASOLINE falling? Shamelessness !!!!! THAT THIS IS ALREADY IN NO PLAN shameless?

REFUELING LADRON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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# 15, OJO

September 4, 2008, at 10:13.

Solbes spoke when it seems that what makes my grandfather. It is an endearing you to be a suicide described it as something remarkable little or no importance, which speaks of crisis and recession slowed down and did not recessive you look unable to take the opposite is not going to be that of a cardiac arrest him. But appearances are deceptive and demonstrates his twisted way of generating expectations that resolved completely misleading and very bad future. For example, our link with the upswing pricing differential Spanish to Europe and settle forever does not serve to reassure those who see it as our daily consumption capacity is limited.

The second vice president and Economy Minister Pedro Solbes, has acknowledged that the data confirmed inflation is "not positive" and has justified the increases by the increase of oil which, according to their data, increased by 86% in the last year, and food products. Something that I guess but we could not justify that much, because this increase has been producing in tune at all stages of the economic world, not at all as to affect our country. But the nonsense does not end there, but when Solbes attributed the rebound to the transit strike that paralyzed for almost a week to the country, does nothing other than insult to the intelligence. Moreover, it aims to trust in a predictable reduction of inflation at the expense of an evolution of crude to fall, when all international analysts warn that it will not happen probably ever since the state and current energy systems no longer allows the return to the starting point.

Solbes admits at times that we are going wrong but does not say clearly, uses numerology and interpretative euphemisms with great brilliance. The problem is that for many synonyms that sound better than the really thick, the reality is that it is and people seem to know the true meaning that the government has the word "slowdown", which is none other than fully fledged crisis . Soon we must incorporate new relationships with our rich way of talking: for example, "not in a stagflation" would mean "we are in stagflation."

Indeed, throughout this wave, my favorite minister, Miguel Sebastian, and admits the term recession. The internal batallitas within the government are taking shape and some may indeed be very nutritious ideologically and semantically. The Cabinet of Minister of Industry is being increasingly in a more realistic in their forecasts on our economy. The minister himself has entonado the word recession. While this is no guarantee of anything, because what is important to take steps to cushion its effects, it seems good news: there is someone in government who do not miss a class when they explained the "crisis".

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# 16, Mano H20

September 4, 2008, at 10:14.

I would rescue a comment that was hung last night. The less controversial and has had positive acceptance. In my opinion holds great truths. Perhaps sad, but true.

# 209, LEON

September 3, 2008, at 23:39.

I psychoanalyze myself and I have come to the conclusion that I'm racist.

Let me explain:

1 .- I thought that when we talk about integration we referred to that which comes from outside is part of the customs here. But is it the other way around. We will integrate and adopt the habits of alli.

2 .- We advocate that Muslims will throw to the floor several times a day geared to Mecca and observe Ramadan, in any business, but we ask that the crucifixes be removed from schools because we are secular. Who is integrated? Is that we are very respectful.

3 .- My daughter (and is 100% true) receives a plate of vegetables without chorizo sausage or (theme of the day that justifies the raison d'etre of this commentary) in college because his two companions are Muslim. Before you wore one to the other and sometimes one to the other. Who is integrated? Is that we are very respectful.

4 .- The mothers (especially) of the class of my daughter was pulling their hair out at meetings of the APAS arguing about whether or not kids must wear uniform or dress to you. Triumphs by the thesis of the most consistent (all equal) and then I get to go to the Muslim that kind of bag of potatoes that I do not remember as it is called, and with that kind of scarf raincoat in the head. That is, going different. Who is integrated? Is that we are very respectful.

5 .- As Carsola said, I bullet with a group of Muslims and I feel weird in my own city. And look at me with disdain as if I were a weirdo. Who is integrated? Is that we are very respectful.

6 .- It is a group of Muslims in the children's hospital where they took my son who is bad and I meet the requirement of a slap in the face and threatening Mustafa, demanding that his wife (I assume that what was inside the bag potatoes) he meets a woman and not the doctor who is on duty. And on top of him lelura case. Who is integrated? Is that we are very respectful.

7 .- I visit last Saturday, the Monasterio de Piedra (I recommend is precious) and I find another Mustafa comfortable with jeans and a T-shirt (made a hell of heat). A few meters away (after, of course) a sack full of potatoes (face covered 100%, which I think is a burka or something). Here I was obliged to hold my wife because I wanted to Mustafa literally eaten (and not just kissing). Who is integrated? Is that we are very respectful.

8 .- And finally, and I do not follow. As I said in a previous comment (which I've written badly because I have eaten a word) to my wife in a Muslim country to be dressed like any Spanish in the summer, he is called PUTA with all the letters. How to integrate my wife? ¿Well, we are not as respectful?

Well. Apparently seen. I am a racist. For me to get all these black pudding and in quantity. That grab their sacks of potatoes and their ramadanes and will take to the desert wind in their countries of origin.

If. I am a racist. And at least have the balls to say it loud and clear.

But it makes me a racist lelura the supine that we have here.

Luckily pillaré notes that take my children in citizenship education and that will cure me.

Well, nothing, racist and xenophobic.

(I hope you understand the minds clear the background and literature of this comment)

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# 17, condonacion_jeje

September 4, 2008, at 10:15.

# 12, outraged

September 4, 2008, at 10:09.

Has bottomed out this government?

Corbacho abolish the recruitment of immigrant origin in 2009

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q bottom most would say it is a measure of the most logical (something quite rare in this government true .. x) XDDD

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# 18, And More

September 4, 2008, at 10:16.

Today, in the kingdom, the employed population amounts to 20 million people in 93 amounted to 12, ciertísimo, but on Tuesday who presented the data of registered unemployment are forgot to say that the trend in productivity in Spain is today less than in 1993, MINOR. And another thing, how many of those 20 million jobs will be alive in 2009?, And in 2010?, And in 2011? Is, How many of those 20 million jobs are needed ?. (Let no one would respond to happen 'all, if there ...').

The opposition. They criticize the current government for the growth of unemployment, the Government is open to criticism by many things, but not for this, because the entry of the current situation and had started who now criticize, why do you think anyone will criticize the current government to hold that if it is guilty?.

Among so much history, a light: at last beginning to speak of trends! 'Growth rate of unemployment': 24.7: brutal!. But it continues to speak of 93; I repeat: this WAS NOT a systemic crisis, this IS: have nothing to do. (We will have to go back to say)).

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# 19, is too fat

September 4, 2008, at 10:19.

Let us continue, not just with all the growth and numerology toy, there are other elements to tremble and indignant. In fact the rate of unemployment, where the forecast is that by the end of the year we will be in rates of 10.4%, reflecting a tomadura hair since the end of June we have already exceeded slightly. If the unemployment figures are bad, are the worst for job creation. The government says it creates jobs. Should apologize for saying things like that. According to the Ministry of Labor, have created 22,000 more jobs. If using the method officially recognized in the surrounding countries, which recognizes science as the basic economic or echo do in the United States, France, Germany or Britain, ie with the analysis desestacionalizado, we know that the last quarter the actual number of employed fell by 140,000 people, that it is interesting to compare it with that of the past 20 years, stands out as the second worst. If we take into account that this has only just started, it would be interesting to meet that yield to us. The adjustment of templates in the autumn, the mass closure of shops and factories will be put on the streets thousands of workers of all nationalities, especially the Spanish. Call me again ominous, apocalyptic, irrational, I drink it all, but remember that the strike Dec. 31 to reach 13% by the method invented by INE a couple of years ago would be equivalent to 15% following methods of calculation similar to those of the nineties. 2009 is not necessary to talk, right? it is easy to predict where the shots go. Suicide is one more option. It will be hard to discard the entire field, the little house on the beach, those holidays, those private school, that clock, those dinners and form tail, as a Bolivian more in the offices of INEM.

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# 20, 1000iu

September 4, 2008, at 10:20.

Good morning, everyone s, while failing to passing by here, but this has made me grace explanation for the crisis with a famous phrase:
"The banker is a gentleman who gives us the umbrella when the sun and we are required when it starts to rain" Mark Twain. How much right.
A hug.

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# 21, outraged

September 4, 2008, at 10:21.

# 17, condonacion_jeje
is logical?

Measure star of the Government to curb illegal immigration: contratacion in origin.

Side.choose wins in March, is charged in the Sept. contartacion in origin.

That it is better to engage in illegal origin or to come?

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# 22, Flipper

September 4, 2008, at 10:22.

"All Spaniards are equal before the law, without distinction based on sex, race, religion ..."

That night I read in a book that was out there at home. It is a book without argument, full of numbered paragraphs and each paragraph you talk about one thing. Signs such as Juan Carlos, although the authors puts it are many.

The fact is that I read last night to also:
# 208 Carsola
Leon # 209
# 217 Mollet
And I do not know whether some other, and I can not be fully agree with them. What we have is true. And it is also true that here there is much racist, but all come from outside.

The fact is that in the book that talks about that all are equal, all Spaniards, but the Spaniards should not be different, or at least does not put anything.

True that affirmative action is destroying us, and it was very brave to speak in a country like this that the minimum they call you a racist as the worst thing that one can be.

In this country where I can tick a box in one hand of fate if my taxes to social causes, and I say that it is not necessary that the marquéis, Spain itself, this state and all of us who live as individuals, because we are a large NGOs, and if it does not look accounts of how many millions and millions of our taxes, state, regional and local van for social causes, and protection to foreigners, give them health, money, unemployment, etc., all those who pay nothing to State.

I also pay my taxes, state, regional and local. For the state, callable at least it seems to me that if a foreigner wants to come to live and work here, ole. To do so and that quoted as everyone, but who knows where it comes from, and all our customs that are contrary to theirs, that fits, and if they are contrary to his religion, to find ways to practice it without disturbing others . And if you come here and not traded any rights, to give it to do its part to set this in a box in the statement for social purposes.

But by the autonomic part of my taxes ... it's the same thing happens to me when any of the other Spanish community comes to Curran to mine, and further, as is not registered, do not pay municipal taxes, and the autonomic part of their taxes going to And their community is in my community by removing a job, spending our streets and our roads, our health? Anda and to be his.

But eye, which is that in my city, where I pay my taxes, the same thing happens, that it is not quoted Spanish and enjoying my free parks, my public transport, including access to housing, such as those listed in my city .

Are we all Spaniards alike? I think not. I should not speak too high, because I am in the case above, outside my home community, in addition to other Provincial Finance has its own, and which therefore did not declare declare the general scheme in my hometown Castilla, and my hometown where I registered. I can not perform my habits because they go from here canes costs twice, but I am not going to demand equal treatment and that charged me the same thing ...

Anyway, all this "mental straw" to say that it is very courageous to complain about the situation of privilege that we give to immigrants and Nice and we also require us. But it does not detract from what brave polite.

Because if you come to our country, is not dressed for swimming in the pool, or to laugh on us. They come because we give them work. Therefore, put on your site, tell them what to say: Eye lads, you are in Spain and things are well here, and if you do not like road and blanket, and if you want to be quedáis you, but here all equal and anything to get with others, and to respect the rules of the pools.

In the end the vast majority of those who come what we are doing is work that Spaniards do not want to do. Go to unemployment, where there are 2.5 million people "waiting for work" and say: I need a shepherd to the sheep, I and lodging, for him his entire family, plus a salary of 1000 euros clean. And you can not find anyone. Or to go to pick strawberries. Or the vintage. That there is not, in the end you have to hire a pastor for moro, or a gypsy for strawberries. For gitano is true that the Spanish are all Spaniards are equal? Before the law? Does the law or the law heating beach? And if not for immigrants, this country was not working, and just that we want to work with soiled hands, and sentaditos with a computer while we pay less, and we all of us now, and it can take a mid-morning coffee and talk with colleagues by mail.

This whole roll to qualify: Yes, you are right, you have to adapt to the site where they are. But they are contributing enormously to our economy. To stay, but to fulfill all the rules of peaceful coexistence, all laws and maximum respect for all others. And that requires them now, and if you do not like to be Fuck, which will see as they are not going to go from here.

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# 23, impressed

September 4, 2008, at 10:25.

h size-20 over the course agua.lo happens that this country of which we are subnormal mu solidarity fijate then what happens so much tolerance, and other gilipolleces mood of our time.
and yet we do not realize the crap that surrounds us but in order to live spain and we think we are still in the lead, aaaa that is true but at the head of the strike.

Have a nice day

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# 24, condonacion_jeje

September 4, 2008, at 10:27.

indignant:

logical? q that ... more unemployment rising to 100.00 in one month would not aim was not to hire? ... ajjaajajaja XDDDD

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# 25, Flipper

September 4, 2008, at 10:30.

My Mother who put bricks, and this time of carrerilla and reread or anything, I hope to avoid misunderstandings.

Well, I'm going pa Logroño, I do not know if it is time to eat, but if not tonight at 9 am as a nail in the bay and an Vinita taking a champi in Soriano, in case anyone was pointing and talking about it.

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# 26, Corbacho

September 4, 2008, at 10:31.

Hi I'm Corbacho, your minister of labor. I have been a very good case for unemployment to fall: to throw all foreigners from Spain.
Well not all: the Germans and those who are not blond, only those who are most directly either black or Arab prick inside better.
A greeting to all.

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# 27, I

September 4, 2008, at 10:32.

209 LEON thinking I have become racist, I feel sad but true

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# 28, outraged

September 4, 2008, at 10:36.

# 23, condonacion_jeje
I work at an American multinational, my job in half the people are recruited at home. We talked about technical, training people ... the high is going to leave out of Spain?

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# 29, tralala

September 4, 2008, at 10:37.

It is difficult for someone not to become racist racist.

The most likely is that those who say it would become racist, but it gave them recognize shame for being politically incorrect. But now they feel justified.

We are in a hypocritical world ... when things are going well and we should come ... so we cuadno crisis and unemployment that there are pyrene ...

: (

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# 30, MURDOK

September 4, 2008, at 10:42.

When oil was at 147 and € to 1.58 dollars in exchange for diesel was to 1329 words.
Today with the oil to 109 € to 1.45 and diesel this to 1189

Asi q liter had to be at 1.07 and no to 1189

We are stealing 11.9 cents per liter more than before!!

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# 31, Johnny

September 4, 2008, at 10:47.

Gentlemen, let say, "I've become racist", because at least the comments yesterday is not distilled racism, is distilled common sense. Todas las acciones descritas indignan si las hace un español,un moro,un chino o c.lopez :)

C.Lopez pon de nuevo el link al chiste aquel de la censura y cambiadlo por racismo.

Estoy seguro que los de ayer se referian a esto,pero otros (los que tengan menos luces) hablaran de “soy racista porque …” en plan molón y al final se lo creeran.

Y se liará bien :)

Al que no cumpla, al talego o fuera de aquí…no hay mas debate posible creo yo

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# 32 , Andaluz

4 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 10:49.

Buenos días a todos, me estoy acostumbrando a no filosofar en este foro, hoy doy mi opinión acerca de la venta y del precio que poseen las viviendas:

Comparemos el negocio inmobiliario con el negocio de las auto-escuelas. ¿Veis muchas personas apuntadas a estas para conseguir su carnet de conducir?
Pues son la mayoría de los futuros compradores de viviendas, las inmobiliarias están vacías y las auto-escuelas siguen estando llenas, todo tiene su momento, primero el carnet del coche, luego el coche, y posteriormente la compra de la vivienda (es que existe quien cree que las viviendas en España durante estos años solo la compraban inversores para revenderlas). En mi pueblo existen si no recuerdo mal cinco auto-escuelas a una media de tres coches cada una, hacen un total de 15 coches, coches estos que poseen tres turnos de tres horas en los cuales viajan cuatro alumnos por turno, hace un total de 12 alumnos por coche, esto multiplicado por el numero de coches se convierte en 180 alumnos, 180 alumnos que deduzco podrán llevarse unos dos meses de clases practicas para conseguir el carnet, esto supone 90 alumnos mensuales, Umm 90 alumnos mensuales, son 45 parejas que necesitan en x tiempo comprarse una vivienda, (sea el tiempo que sea, son 45 nuevas parejas que salen cada mes de la auto-escuela con la necesidad de comprarse una vivienda), si este mes no se la compra ninguna, el mes que viene existirán 90 parejas con esa necesidad y si son cuatro meses sin comprarlas serán 180 parejas las que necesiten adquirir una vivienda, en definitiva llevamos un año en el que esas parejas no compran, un año en el que de 15 inmobiliarias que funcionaban en el pueblo solo quedan cuatro (y no están funcionando, solo aguantan el tiron por que tienen ahorrado de cuando las vacas daban leche). Un año, un autentico año sin ventas (calculadoras en mano) 45 X 12 = 540 parejas que durante este tiempo no han cubierto una necesidad que tienen y que han de cubrir en algún momento, y esto sin contar con la inmigración (mi pueblo absorbe una gran cantidad de inmigrantes todos los años). ¿Qué conclusiones sacáis?, ¿se volverán a vender viviendas?, ¿el banco seguirá dando hipotecas? Yo creo que los compradores bajaran algo los precios, es mas ya muchos de ellos han bajado sus pretensiones, pero vender se tendrá que volver a vender y no puede tardar mucho, es mas yo ya noto que se intentan comprar viviendas, y algunos consiguen comprarlas, hipotecándose claro, quizás sea optimista, pero creo que en marzo las vacas volverán a dar leche.

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# 33 , Gromenawer

4 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 10:53.

Flipper… sí menudo ladrillo! Me parece que no has hecho caso de la recomendación …” nunca escribas en caliente, piensa y respira…”
¿ Sabes cuando le cuesta al Estado- Sociedad la atención a la infancia atención sanitaria, educación, ocio… etc., hasta que un españolito, desde su nacimiento hasta que se incorpora al mercado de trabajo? Sin embartgo los extranjeros, vienen a trabajar, directamente sin ningún coste para el estado español en su educación , sanidad, atención social, etc. ¡ Qué útiles que son, cuando trabajan! y ahora que son los primeros en ir a la calle…. ¡¡ Sobran…. que se vayan…!! sí, eres un racista infecto y además sin argumentos.

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# 34 , FanFan

4 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 10:57.

#28 tralala
Nadíe es racista hasta que se la juega alguien de fuera…si es alguien de tu país, te fastidia, pero si es alguien de fuera, ya se suele meter la raza de por medio, no nos engañemos, he estado tiempo trabajando en gestión de inmuebles, y resulta que todo el mundo no quería la zona por que estaba llena de marrokis o de sudámericanos.. o de rumanos o de a saber.Pero nadie es racista, lo que ocurre es solemos callar. Chorizos hay en todas partes, pero si te roba alguien de fuera… Ahí cambía la cosa, ahí el que no era racista, mira tu por donde lo és.. de repente. Así está la cosa.Y que conste que yo no soy racista, solo es lo que la gente me ha ido dando a enteder.

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# 35 , V. Gerulaitis

4 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 10:57.

Racismo.
Haciendo referencia al comentario expuesto por Maño H20 quiero opinar que la mayor parte del problema se trata de un hecho de discriminación positiva.
Por miedo a que nos traten de racistas tragamos con muchas cosas que no deberíamos tragar y como resultado se produce la discriminación de la mayoría.
Siguiendo los ejemplos expuestos:
- Las empresas no deberían permitir, o al menos deberían restringir, el tiempo que su personal se dedica a cosas personales en el tiempo de trabajo, como por ejemplo: rezar.
Aparte del hecho de que te pagan nada más que por trabajar, aquí el discriminado es el compañero trabajador que en lugar de rezar, trabaja.
- Ese colegio nunca debió permitir modificar el menú de las legumbres solo porque una minoría lo solicita. Se produce una discriminación con los que no tienen ningún tipo de superstición y desean o quieren completar su dieta con todo tipo de alimentos.
- En el ejemplo del médico del hospital infantil, no se debió permitir que el cambio de médico por su sexo. Aquí además de la religión, la discriminación es por sexo, el colmo.
Creo que este problema es de las personas, no de las instituciones u organismos. Debemos recordar que somos las personas quienes hacemos y creamos la sociedad.
Los ciudadanos, como individuos, no debemos ceder ante presiones de discriminación tanto negativa como positiva, lo cual no siempre es fácil.

Salu2.

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# 36 , Kane

4 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 11:01.

# 30 , MURDOK

A mi lo que me gustaria saber y si los camioneros ahora haran huelga para que les quiten los privilegios concedidos por la subida del gasoil.

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# 37 , js

4 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 11:04.

# 28 , indignado

Corbacho NO dijo que no se contrataría en orígen. Dijo que se aproximaría a 0. O lo que es decir, sería mayor que 0, que puede ser un 1% ó un 23%.

Y, además, en esa regulación quedaría exentos “los acuerdos internacionales firmados o por firmar”. O, lo que es decir, aquellos países que tiene suscrito un acuerdo de libre comercio y mercado, no estarían en el bombo del sorteo como cabezas de serie.

¿Estamos?

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# 38 , ¿Estamos?

4 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 11:06.

que chulesco suena

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# 39 , Pri

4 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 11:06.

Pues en el centro de salud de la barriada donde hay muchisimos marroquíes hay un letrero en cada consulta que dice: Las mujeres serán atendidas por el medico que les toque y no se cambia.

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# 40 , Emilio

4 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 11:09.

Un pasito p’alante Mariaaaaa…5.334 +0,207%

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# 41 , Delshannon

4 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 11:10.

# 33 , Gromenawer

Esa visión, disculpa, pero no es correcta, simplemente porque el Español que utiliza esos servicios que describes tiene un padre, madre, tios, abuelos, etc…que ya contribuyeron con sus impuestos a hacer “España” (como suena), incluso el suelo que pisan.

Sin embargo los que vienen de fuera se lo encuentran todo hecho, sin nadie de su familia que haya trabajado para ello, y por mucho que coticen jamás igualarían en cotización a una familia normal Española.

Por lo tanto esa observación tuya no es válida.

No se trata de racista, eso no vale, se trata de pensar un poco.

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# 42 , JAC

4 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 11:11.

5,334 +0,011

¿es que ha dicho algo el “imbecil de trichet” ?

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# 43 , indignado

4 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 11:11.

# 37 , js
Hola js, titular de pais: Corbacho suprimirá la contratación de inmigrantes en origen en 2009
EUFEMISMO de corbacho: se aproximará a cero

quedaría exentos “los acuerdos internacionales firmados o por firmar” Gracias Corbacho por respetar los acuerdos internacionales!!! No te j*de, se cree que somos tontos o que?

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# 44 , NAVARRRICOPUES

4 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 11:13.

HOLA.
Solo deciros que ayer hablando con un empleado de una caja aparentemente civica con una supuesta fuerte colaboracion social, son ya varios los que has llegado con las llaves de su vivienda a entregarlas al banco y yo pregunto ¿socialmente como lo veis? ¿Socialmente el banco no tendria que hacer algo en vez de aceptar esas llaves de alguien que no puede afrontar la hipoteca? No se puede ser mas hipocrita,,,que destinen el dinero a esa gente que se queda sin casa por las continuas subidas hipotecarias y no a asociaciones en las que queda bien donar dinero y publicarlo en las revistas para parecer que colaboras con la ciudadania. Hipocritas, jugais con la gente…

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# 45 , maria haineala

4 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 11:14.

Yo pienso que a una persona no se le puede llamar racista solamente porque se queja, nos quejaríamos igual si fueran españoles, porque es la verdad.

Racista se les llama a las personas que te miran mal solo porque eres extranjero, a las personas que nos insultan y generalizan todos los males….

A mi no me parece racista una persona que se queja de una situación, argumentando y al mismo tiempo lo hace con educación y sin insultar, a esto se le llama expresar su opinión nada mas.

Para mi un racista es uno que no te acepta aunque tu le aceptas a el…
Yo soy rumana y tenia un compañero de trabajo español que me gustaba mucho y yo se que yo también le gustaba pero me ha dicho en la cara que no sale conmigo porque odia a los extranjeros…a esto si que le llamo yo rasismo……o que te acuse sin pruebas de un robo en el trabajo solamente porque soy rumana…y de paso despedirte…aunque luego se demostró de no había sido yo sino otro…A ESTO LE LLAMO YO RASISMO….

En mi opinión son mas racistas los que vienen aquí que el propio español…..
Ellos se juntas solamente entre ellos, se les llena la boca criticándoos y os lo digo por propia experiencia, mi marido es español y no sabéis el trabajo que me costo a mi que lo acepte mi familia…la suya me ha aceptado ensequida…….
También hay excepciones, hay que reconocerlo…..no todos son así….pero son pocos

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# 46 , JAC

4 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 11:14.

# 43 , indignado
Añado que, además, dijo que se excluia de la norma a los “cualificados”.

Osea, que únicamente dejarán de contratar “un poquito” en origen.

¡ Gobierno de perogrullo !

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# 47 , tralala

4 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 11:15.

# 34 , FanFan
Racista es quien cree que hay por ser de otra raza es diferente y cataloga a la gente por razas.

Mala gente hay de todas las razas.

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# 48 , generosofuturo

4 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 11:20.

Lamento profundamente la gente que se declara racista. El racismo viene del miedo y la falta de cultura. Por favor, todos somos iguales. No los españoles entre sí, todos, todos.

Y sobre la contratación en origen, otra calamidad del gobierno. Hay sectores que tienen demanda de trabajadores que no se cubren con nacionales: bien por su especialización o bien por que no queremos esos puestos. Se puede comprobar en la web del ministerio. Solo se cubre con contartación en origen. ¿Qué pasará con esos puestos, no se cubrirán?
Además, para llevar a cabo esa medida se debe tener la autorización de vaios estamentos, algunos internacionales. ¿Se tienen todas esas autorizaciones?

Deseo que el gobierno se centre porque no está ayudando mucho a superar la situación.

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# 49 , Paniagua

4 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 11:20.

El monopoly que gran juego, eso deben de estar pensando nuestros poderes políticos y nos están dejando a merced de la suerte. Es la triste realidad los peces grandes se están comiendo a los pequeños, nuestro dado es la dependencia del precio de petróleo y la banca como no, el rey de la selva. Nos están dejando a la deriva, escondiéndose tras baterías de medidas, pero sin medios para llevarlas a cabo y que se efectuarán tarde y mal. Solves, persona que admiraba, no se si ha convertido en una especie de Winnie the Pooh con alzheimer que donde dice digo, dice diego. En fin que el monopoly triunfa y serán los más despiadados los que ganen la partida.

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# 50 , kiriccioni

4 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 11:21.

dice la letra de un tema de canción urbana:
“yo no soy racista ni con los negros ni con los chinos, pero a los moros ya los gitanos no los quiero ni de vecinos, borreguería y estupidez, desde mi punto de vista, y qué quieres que te diga, un racista es un racista, y el que no es racista contigo pero conotro si lo es, verás que es racista contigo cuándo tengas un problema con él…” el tema sigue con este hilo argumental, y viene muy al caso de lo descrito por el post 35 de V.Gerulaitis.
Parece que el euribor hoy no deja salir el sol, ni para unos ni para otros, esperemos q

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