Sausage

There you can see where the black pudding, this humble product Gourmet, appeared for the eighth century BC in the celebrated "Odyssey" of Homer, from which rescue the following paragraph

"When a man next to a bonfire has filled a sausage fat and blood and turns to one side to another and waiting anxiously not afternoon roast '

But the story of the sausage is very sad for her because so perverse even be the sin to eat it, as well remind us in this article.

But does ay!, The morphology ill, that truism fálica, such rudeness enhiesta ended the sausage making it illegal: the church banned the lupercales and considered sinful to eat blood sausage. Then came Constantine converted to Christianity in the fourth century and became its flavor in flagrante delicto. The sausage became clandestine pleasure that the people enjoyed sneak up to the church and the emperor went through the hoop and legalized.

However, what the church nor the diets were light, it is possible to do so rising oil and raw materials because sadly I read that the change of sausage skin.

Collagen can make a solution more than aesthetics to the sausage from Burgos to survive the economic situation without dramatically increasing its price. The Manufacturers Association of Blood sausage from Burgos looking at this material as a substitute for cow's gut, which in the past year has increased its price by six, according to the president of this group, Roberto DaSilva. The belly collagen made from natural fibers would not make this product so much, and that amount rising cost of other raw materials.

If we wanted proof that the crisis came, here we have it in the sausage and the troubling fact that many of those who do not go up in price if the lower grades.

As things stand, and since the moment of eating is a vice necessary, many have to buy the sausage with a credit card.

Without employment, with mortgage and having to do the shopping every week. ¿Of many solution? More to tighten their belts, pull your credit card. And is that although the features cited still-not-shape the profile of a Spanish environment, the boom experienced by the issuance of credit cards in recent years did not refer to the start of 2008. In the first quarter of the year, the number of plastic in circulation stood at 43.78 million, following a 10.43% increase over the same period of previous year. If this trend continues, the figure could hang or exceed year-end 46 million, equal to the number of residents in national territory according to the latest census to January 1.

Fortunately for the environment and so indebted to curb predatory lending, we have a new law that regulates the rates of companies that offer credit.

Firms in financial intermediation and credit granting fast are in the spotlight. A couple of months ago was issued the first conviction for usury against a loan fast, and could not be the last. The credit crisis and the difficulty of families to get a creditworthy end of the month are driving up unimagined dues the old business of lending money.

The main problem was that many businesses that offer you a credit to facilitate the purchase are not financial companies and therefore are not controlled by the Bank of Spain with the consequent risk.

Yesterday I read in "The Digital Confidential," an article that frankly I do not think so and have a pint of crude rumor but that can give a lot of game reviews in zone and is for the government to revive the property market is going to launch a advertising campaign with the slogan "The floors are not going to go down over price." Should the government do something to revive this sector or let the market do?.

Undoubtedly, the real estate industry is wrong in the whole world, as an example we have in Manhattan where his extremely expensive apartments are sold many times below the purchase price.

Among the apartments that have fallen is a located no more and no less than in the financial district. Sold for $ 590,000. A price far below the 720,000 U.S. dollars that were paid in January this year.

What strikes me most about this article is that an apartment in downtown New York it costs almost the same as one in Madrid ...

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Written by Carlos Lopez on September 3, 2008 with 227 points.



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# 1, luis

September 3, 2008, at 9:22.

good days

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# 2, Miko

September 3, 2008, at 9:33.

Poor black pudding, in the end it will pay up the pieces of the crisis.

Now with regard to the subject real estate in Manhattan and Madrid, I leave with you a very good post on the housing situation in London:
Real estate situation in London

SL2 and good morning ;)

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# 3, 2041 years of liberation

September 3, 2008, at 9:33.

Good morning, I would like to know your opinion on the current drop in oil prices, and consequent easing of inflation at the European level, will influence the ECB for a possible drop in interest rates or if the Euribor will relax with this situation?

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# 4, hipotecadodeporvida

September 3, 2008, at 9:35.

You know where it comes from the words "To get Blood sausage"

In late 1700, rabies was a disease common in Spain and one way to eliminate the vagrant dogs, and rabid, or any other disease, was giving a poisoned sausage.

Le daria Morcillo, more than a .. especially to those "Chucho" class politics, we have ..

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# 5 ... The keys of "Blood sausage"

September 3, 2008, at 9:38.

Well, tell them what will happen?. Christmas this year, 2008, will be bad, much worse than they were those of 2007, but in the course of 2009 the situation will deteriorate rapidly. The rates begin to decline, unemployment rising, productivity growth, and working hours for those working to increase. Objective: matching supply with demand to fall, in an atmosphere of increasing competitiveness, and with a production capacity was shall not be oversized or with the level of demand and with the prevailing trend towards greater productivity. Ie: rates down and workshops (for whom they work, crucial issue) up. And the Euribor?.

Until four days ago thought the Euribor was going to plunge into the abyss as in the depths sink is interest rates, but no longer as clear as I have. The Euribor is many things, and one of those things that is, is the measure of the degree of confidence that financial institutions will have to do. As we enter the darkness of the crisis, the confidence that financial institutions have to decline more and more, so that the Euribor will tend to rise more and more, ... unless the wave of regulations that the crisis will bring the Euribor becomes something else, and measure other things, but not 'pricing of mortgages,' among other reasons because very few mortgages are going to be requested and granted.

SIGNED: Santiago Becerra Child

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# 6, marathoner

September 3, 2008, at 9:39.

The problem is that so notícia especially contradictory and negative, most of us have chosen to stop everything in hopes that the picture is clarified. This entails a halt escalating a crisis situation such as we have, and now the councils of government will hardly be believed, as his credibility is under minimum. The problem is serious, and I still think (as I said) that the solution lies in an end once and for all with the famous financial crisis (AND IF YOU WANT TO BE). It settled, a new panorama will be possible to see, and our lives will be able to enjoy new perspectives that will lead us to a certain tranquility and stability

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# 7, and the other key Morcillera

September 3, 2008, at 9:39.

The trick in all this is the demand, ie consumption. When consumption starts to fall because the unemployment of labor begins to grow, because the average income start undermined, because the debt levels are reduced (a few days ago a manager of a Spanish financial institution will be being revised downward to the limits of cards), will want to reactivate using the manual just as it now applies to curb inflation: now, the manual is useless, unless serve tomorrow.

SIGNED: Santiago Becerra Child

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# 8, SAVE! Spend NO! COMPRÉIS NO!

September 3, 2008, at 9:40.

******

Thanks!

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# 9, Euribor up up! --->>> REACHES THE WORST

September 3, 2008, at 9:40.

************

WHAT WE ARE HIDDEN!

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# 10, Mano H20

September 3, 2008, at 9:41.

# 4, hipotecadodeporvida

That the good black pudding from Burgos. But I would black pudding, like you, more than one of which I quote below.

For as White Cucumber would say: "as it is not going to see more unemployed people with so many people working"
Come on, that is not consolation is that they do not want. First black pudding for Cucumber.

This is something of complex numbers, because things must be viewed in absolute and relative terms.

For example, say that there are 2,500,000 unemployed as 10 years ago How should we interpret it?

1 .- In absolute terms do not cease to be two and a half million people who can not work or wanting to have a job where doing so. The figure brings to scare us and the situation 10 years ago.

2 .- In relative terms, 10 years ago in Spain had 38 million inhabitants while there are now 45 (to know). That means there are fewer percentage unemployed today than then. Prior was 6.58% of the population, while today it is only 5.55%. Then as ZP would say "we are better than ever." For him the second day of sausage.

3 .- In terms relativísimos and compared to the vastness of the ocean, what are two and a half million unemployed? In fact some notable ruling has had the impudence to say that he is not aware of any standing. Well it would be, as someone said, that our President walker (because it makes walking, not because of the Shining Path) walk to any office of the INEM. There he could present to one another.

The banks, of which numbers you know for a while, it seemed that are beginning to worry about this situation, because now the defaulters will not be primarily immigrants and real estate. Now they will begin to be Spanish and SMEs. Already there is talk that late payments could reach 3% and that stores forced the Bank of Spain to make the entities, during the era of fat, may be insufficient because it will last unless the crisis. For this, banks, giving them a lot of black pudding and they give us enough for us.

http://www.cotizalia.com/cache/2008/09/03/noticias_69_banca_tiembla_peligro_ladrilleros_hipotecados.html

Meanwhile, the sons of the kingdom, of which I remember yesterday, was put to work and the government announced yesterday a series of measures aimed at facilitating access to housing for the British that includes tax breaks and grants in the payment of mortgage loans. Among the most striking aid is to finance the mortgage to avoid evictions. To these, more than sausage, ham would give them. Pata negra specifically so they know what it is worth a pig.

http://www.cotizalia.com/cache/2008/09/03/noticias_97_reino_unido_manos_financia_hipotecados.html

Salu2

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# 11, Alvaro

September 3, 2008, at 9:44.

"The floors are not going to go down over price." Largely to encourage the purchase of flats ... I feel that the Spanish citizen who wants to buy an apartment or should have sufficient information and means to draw their own conclusions. No need to go very far to see dramatic decreases in the price of housing, and you wear a suit. A year ago it began promoting a visit to costruir, the price of a two-room house was 268,000 + vat. Two days ago I sent a relative to see such a promotion, and handed the keys and the price of that housing is 174,000 + vat. Nearly 100,000 euros less. One that can not be created but I have two documents on the table. As of today the homes of 3 habiitaciones cost the same as those of 1 room a year ago. This data makes me wonder; So great was the benefit of the promoters? So looted are they now?

In the end, turn on the same thing as always, but data are beginning to be conclusive. Does houses are not going to lose more? Each will draw our own conclusion and buy when we won the Mr. Zapatero y Cia.

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# 12, kiriccioni

September 3, 2008, at 9:44.

I already know that has nothing to do one thing with another and we should not mix churros with black pudding, but I had a nasty fall this morning to see the subidita price of gasoline, 1 liter centeuro, after superbajada the price of a barrel yesterday, they have no shame, but be careful expecting lower 6 or 7 centeuros within a month of approx. to fill up the tank filters, the carafes of sunshine of goats that have long empty at home and look up the last of zippo house, if I get to go back to smoking that does not cost me 3 centeuros every time you turn the burner ...
it seems that this cap but the sun eventually coming out today to everyone equally, and if not tomorrow, or the other, someone in a hurry? ...

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# 13, jdx

September 3, 2008, at 9:48.

or touch the sausage !!!!!!!!!!!!! where are we going to get !!!!!

In food, encourage the owners of stores to directly contact the manufacturer (farmer, rancher ...)
Yesterday I saw on TV, I believe in malaga, a chain of 5 stores, which buy directly from farmers, for in this way, farmers do not lose money, and no mobster or a thief, is a broker without doing anything, by taking the money who really grown and manufactured. Outstanding from my point of view.
The customers of these stores, said q in all savings products from 10 up to 30-40%. (Ojito to intermediaries inflationary ... .. God) - that's why ... nothing new.
This measure should be extended to several fields, and both inflation and rising prices would be moderate, directly or liquidated. I leave it there for someone to think ...
Another issue that deranged me ... and I do not understand (I can only blame the dollar's recovery ...)
Super 95 to $ 147 a barrel - 1.29
95 to surpass $ 120 a barrel - 1.22
Super 95 to $ 105 a barrel - 1.22 someone can explain it to me?

pd enculator man, how long! we will urge our dear index to fall, although I do not think it will lack much in a short time, is going to lose him alone ...
excellent news that Trichet suggested that the post was played by the cabezonería in rates, and putting Europe into recession.

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# 14, Nadal with 400 €

September 3, 2008, at 9:50.

After learning the details apocalyptic "official" unemployment, a day yesterday, and knowing first hand, when they return from vacation and see two friends on the dole, I make a ranking among these people that I needed:

Stopped type A) Women, married 27 years, a son of 1, rented, worked as a commercial real estate, unemployed for two months, unable to reposition and within 3 or 4 months or will not have to eat. Actively looking for work because of that I'm sending you a resume. "I need to work because" words textual.

Stopped type B) Men 35 years, lives with parents, for 5 working on logistics, he realized that he could collect unemployment during 1100 € to 2 years, began to demand low, to give problems to his head, until I got . No partner or expense of any kind, only mobile, and Juergen whims. "Now I'm going to play the p. 2 years' actual words.

I have some doubt transcendental in this regard, if the Treasury until we remove the hair from the eyebrows, is not it should put some sort of control so that there are no unemployed type B? Are the governments unable to detect these lazy?
Ojo there are many unemployed type B, working 5 years, caught parité 2, PARASITE, have no other name.

An example of the multitude of cases of mismanagement of resources in the State of paella, castanets and mangantes.

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# 15, under Euribor pa

September 3, 2008, at 9:57.

# 3

Q I think it is obvious it is. Growth in Germany down, down Euro, Oil down, inflation down ... .. are sufficient reasons for decreases in rates in January or February .... Sorry for the euriboralcistas but everything looks to that in a few months the price of money will go down

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# 16, Deimos Fenix

September 3, 2008, at 9:58.

Good morning to Tod @ s

Adding an addendum on the excellent article by CLopez.
As we put the batteries, and especially the rulers of this blessed ¿? country, we're going to eat sausage for breakfast, lunch and dinner because while the prices go up and lose purchasing power we will not take no for pipes.

Continuing the thread of some post yesterday, the houses are going to go into a soft landing, without downs supine (as expected the estimated Willy) or a brutal crunch.
On the problem of sales, always come back to the same point: FLUIDITY market. The banks, and therefore the Euribor as a reflection of confidence, not relying between them, they do not know who is who is dead and therefore does not want to put pasta in the niche.

Knife, it is known today as the quarterly indicator of GDP in the euro is going to have to rethink and re-clad hold on interest rates.

Among the proposals that Forero JAC yesterday are excellent from a theoretical point of view and economically. The problem of application is legal. The prosecutor in Spanish translation of these proposals pass the first by placing them on the law, and that is another question.

My dear Carsola has more reason than a saint, the excesses in the last half-decade of economic boom are going to pay far over the next three years.

The boxes, especially the CAM what will happen in the fall ill, is a hands full disposing of assets.

Others, like the group SOS to be Zampa 70% of Bertolli, an Italian group, it seems that if you have options business, to have pasta available. This, as we shall see, that rice, oil (Carbonell) and cookies (Cuetara) will be the one who pays the ultimate cost of this acquisition.

PS, Dear Upupa, please put links to anyone who wants to read billets apocalyptic Mr Child Becerra, and not the ctrl + c + v crtl

Neither the Macarena or the Mareueta, or Madonna and San Pedro Martir

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# 17, jaivas

September 3, 2008, at 9:58.

And I say, as well as Paid Neyorquinos that we have to buy these apartments? ... .... I doubt it.
In the end we will end up migrating to New York

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# 18, JAC

September 3, 2008, at 9:59.

# 14, Nadal with 400 €

... ... A "llamadita" anonymously to the office of the INEM ... ....

We can regulate ourselves without increasing the cost to society with inspectors, bureaucracy, etc ...

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# 19, oreidubic

September 3, 2008, at 10:02.

Uyuyuy .. the subject of fresh produce is conflicting ..

First of all it is easier to multiply the price of low unit price ProQuad the cost of logistics is important, such as watermelon ... it is clear that a kilogram of straw weighs the same as a kilogram of lead, such as clear is that a kilogram of straw is more than one kilogram of lead.

Then the operators at the big central markets (Mercamadrid, mercabarna) are not unique and are subject to the law of supply and demand from major buyers, who are already buying more and more in origin (or farmer cooperative). There is the difficulty that the producer can absorb the demand of the buyer-level quantities and qualities.

The profit margins on the last point (supermarkets and specialty stores) are ordren of 35-40% on sales (in supermarkets ... in markets or specialty stores or category kilelrs is more variable) that seem high but deducting the cost of personnel and An estimate of the rent of the area is not APRA made millionaire, unless it achieves high levels of turnover (with márgnenes closer to 28-30%) and controlling shrink ...

The producers (and I am a producer of grapes for wine) we have to let disputes nineteenth organize ourselves and look for the marketing of our products. Even at this stage focus efforts on production when it would have to derive resources in the marketing ...

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# 20, Spartano

September 3, 2008, at 10:03.

Making sausage !!!!!

A greeting.

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# 21, Incredible

September 3, 2008, at 10:05.

The cushion of the banks is just the sock is being emptied and some boxes are only cobwebs in the safes

http://www.cotizalia.com/cache/2008/08/14/8_bancos_temen_aumento_morosidad_provisiones_genericas.html

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# 22, Mandy

September 3, 2008, at 10:07.

You have to do is give the government another 400 €.
It was a very good one.
Now that give away € 1,000.

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# 23, Purification

September 3, 2008, at 10:08.

Less demagoguery with the issue of petrol prices. Yes, it is very expensive, but neither have quadrupled the price of fuel when it did the price of a barrel. The price of gasoline is a fixed percentage of taxes, the cost of refining, and so on., Plus VAT of course that it is a percentage. Thus, the impact of the price of a barrel can not be translated into an identical increase or decrease in prices.

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# 24, Raul_VLC

September 3, 2008, at 10:08.

EP 03-09-2008
The mortgages are carried 46.1% of the household economy
The expense of the domestic economy to finance the purchase of housing whose cost is 10 points above that recorded four years ago.

The Spanish families spent 46.1% of their gross income available to finance the purchase of housing in the second quarter of 2008, nearly two points more than the same period last year, although four tenths less than in the whole of 2007 , According to the latest figures from the Bank of Spain.

Think that this news? like where they say, that the mortgage in half this € 150,000?

What is certain is that I for my mortgage on 34%

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# 25, Kane

September 3, 2008, at 10:09.

# 14, Nadal with 400 €

Ojala could detect the unemployed type B.
And the officials who do nothing any day.
Or the people who catches low to go to IKEA.
Or to those caught a year by depression.

If you catch all the scourge of society we asustariamos of how many have.

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# 26, JAC

September 3, 2008, at 10:09.

# 22, Mandy

Ironic mode on, I suppose ... .... Come on, I'm sure.

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# 27, jaivas

September 3, 2008, at 10:11.

# 22 Mandy
Remember that no one has given you 400 euros, the really less next year in your income, so if you do not back the call.
And we want to "advance" 1000?
Bread for today, hunger tomorrow. Many of us are good that we came back 400 euro a declaration, before we ask for 600 next year

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# 28, WHO YOU THINK NOW?

September 3, 2008, at 10:11.

# 5 ... The keys of "Blood sausage" (say Child be Santiago Becerra)

Man ... now tell us that the Euribor muchiiiiiisimo climb when you've recently done an interview for a radio saying exactly the opposite ... and Euribor rates low in Japan as well .. ... look the other that changes every 2 x 3 .. or you or anyone knows what will happen why you have to believe you and not to other futurists who believes completely the opposite? Who you think now? .. futurists shoddy, looking for a fleeting popularity with the ignorance of people.

Greetings.

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# 29, Mandy

September 3, 2008, at 10:12.

JAC
Why do I have to say to ironic mode on, and not the president?

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# 30, JAC

September 3, 2008, at 10:16.

# 29, Mandy

Among the reasons that 1245 will occur to me, I choose this:

Because you're not either trickster / or a liar / a, and the SI.

Are you worth? ;)

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# 31, Mano H20

September 3, 2008, at 10:17.

# 25, Kane

Or the leaders of many unions that do not give you a stick to water.
Or to not re-elected politicians who live in those pensions that we do not see either in dreams.
O a todos los golfos que trabajan en negro y no pagan un duro de impuestos.
Or ....

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# 32, SirJuan

September 3, 2008, at 10:18.

Well, I see this leaving the issue of INEM and I'm escaldao casually with the subject ...

In this case I speak of my mother, divorced (which does not receive neither a hard-board) in charge of my younger brother (13 years) and my grandmother (ridiculously inadequate pension everywhere).

She will get you to the end of the month had 2 jobs half-day (one of them fixed discontinuous, the fire in June and hired in September for more than 10 years). In June the company he works (not fixed the broken contract) closes and start fighting for CCOO to try to recover in May and June as well as some sort of compensation (that is another issue that is beside the point). On the other side as the one made in always the other company being completely unemployed. Asks the strike and so far no problems ... until now. She has been named the permanent job as a batch every September, has begun and as always going to notice that now works in the evenings to INEM, you indicate that you can not collect unemployment for the other company. 2 companies are different and sometimes has caught the stoppage of the discontinuous during the summer while still in the morning without a problem and now it turns out that you can not collect unemployment for the company in the mornings because the company continued working on fixes discontinuous ... I'm the only one who sees no logic in the issue?

If anyone knows of these issues and tells me I can do, I appreciate it ...

PD. Do not metals costs, I was going to buy a car but let me check bad because if the INEM pays no unemployment, sentire the crisis ...
I feel the speech "

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# 33, Paniagua

September 3, 2008, at 10:18.

First came the ham, sausage now ... this Christmas bread and water. Interesting advertising campaign and step could announce that this Christmas instead of asking for an i-pod to the kings they ask us to foot the bill of the mortgage. I do not think anything would be the height of the last straw. Yesterday I went on TV that a lot of people to whom they had touched a VPO have had to relinquish it, even pq to meet the conditions of the loan the bank does not give either a hard, then I can buy today? Bargain-hunting as speculators or privileged to be some savings (I do not know of none). The banks are suffering because they fear bad debt, Uy penalty that gave me! perhaps should stop this unjustified and disproportionate rise of the Euribor and so people came to pay their share, because I will say that the Euribor is determined by the degree of mistrust, but the more we raise the Euribor more distrust there, so this is tranquis unstoppable ... but now they do not like mortgages, provided there are credit cards so we can eat this Christmas sausage, but then you have to pay the price of pata negra.

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# 34, saspiki

September 3, 2008, at 10:18.

# 19, oreidubic

I read something intelligent, what's good farmer and the intermediary and it smells bad .... Or is that if the farmer pays the costs of transportation, personnel, taxes, local business, declines in fresh ... will continue selling prices of the vegetable garden consumer.

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# 35, Mandy

September 3, 2008, at 10:20.

La rentabilidad del bono a diez años baja hasta el 4,48% en la apertura.
En Alemania Idem.
Todos los caminos apuntan a Roma.
Trichet, compañero, te juegas el puesto. (Que tensión)

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# 36 , Juan

3 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 10:21.

Gran comentario de Flipper que merece la pena rescatar:

# 222 , Flipper
2 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 22:01.

Pues que digo yo que ahora acabo de trabajar, después de todo el día, si esto no es crisis, al menos es una putada muy gorda.

Que miro y leo por el foro y por otros lugares del cibermundo y sólo veo y leo nada más que futuros negros, paro, hipotecas impagadas y pisos que no se venden.

Sólo puedo acordarme de mi amiga argentina para sentirme optimista y salir corriendo a disfrutar de la vida, olvidarme de políticos, de crisis, de mi cuenta corriente y de la persona que debiera contratar mi jefe para ayudarme, y decirme que nos quejamos de hartos.

Que quizá como dice Vicente es necesario sentirse pesimista de vez en cuando, pero yo digo que es necesario ser optimista al menos una vez al día, aunque sólo dure un minuto. Que si el indicador de sentimiento económico de la Unión Europea registró en agosto un descenso de 1,9 puntos, arrastrado por la caída de la confianza en Reino Unido, España y Alemania situando al indicador en su nivel mínimo desde 1993, yo el sentimiento económico le tengo ahora más vio que nunca, que nunca como ahora miro la cuenta corriente todos los días.

Que si los políticos generan incertidumbre y pánico, yo no puedo evitar reirme de ellos, que su cara y su cruz es tener un cargo público donde todo el mundo vea sus imcompetencias y sus falsedades, y de cómo pretenden ganar con un paseo por las montañas los votos que pierden haciendo su trabajo.

Que si uno de derechas y otro de izquierdas no pueden hablar de la crisis, yo quisiera haber estado en el bar de rafa para haberme reido de los dos, que saber reírse de sí mismos es el pilar fundamental para no sucumbir en este loco mundo; y no les cobres rafa que ya pago yo.

Que si jac nos da 12 muy buenas medidas para mitigar la especulación, y quiere que le digamos más, ya mí me da la risa y me voy otra vez al bar de rafa, que mientras los que tienen que tomar esas medidas sean los mismísimos especuladores, estamos mejor en el bar y con un par de cervezas hablaremos del futbol y del resto de opios del pueblo.

Que si las entidades financieras mundiales deben afrontar el vencimiento de obligaciones de deuda a medio y largo plazo por un importe de al menos 787.000 M$ (534.600 M€), según cálculos de JPMorgan Chase, yo tengo que afrontar a las entidades financieras, y siempre se afrontan mejor con una cañita en el bar de rafa o en el que sea, y si se deja invitar al director de mi sucursal a cenar, que si la consecuencia es un encarecimiento notable de la financiación, que va a deteriorar aún más sus márgenes, y si las entidades financieras continúan encontrando dificultades para obtener financiación, serán mucho más reacias a conceder créditos a empresas ya particulares, con el consiguiente perjuicio para la economía real, por lo menos a mí que me sigan dando crédito que sabe que luego lo uso para irme de cañitas con él.

Que si un tal Gustav es capaz de hacer bajar él solito un 10% el precio del petróleo, pues que se venga también al bar de rafa con nosotros, que seguro que el de derechas, el de izquierdas, el director de mi sucusal le invitan a una caña, incluso rafa se paga una seguro.

Que si hay que hacer políticas de estado a largo plazo, el que las quiera hacer tendrá que pagar una ronda a todo el ejecutivo, que bien saben ellos que más votos se ganan subiendo a Picos que haciendo políticas incomprensibles a largo plazo. Rafa ponnos otra que ahora pago yo dos rondas, una para brindar con la mano izquierda y otra para brindar con la mano derecha, que el primero que nos haga una política de éstas le invitamos a cenar, y brindamos con la del centro.

Y que se venga la macarena, que yo le rezo una oración y le pongo 5 velas (no negras), y lo que haga falta, que esta bonita españa bien lo merece, y este bonito mundo, hay que disfrutarlo, y dale alegría a su cuerpo rafa, y ponnos otra que pagan carsola y enculeitor, que no nos salva la maca, que no que no, que no nos salva ni dios, pero esto tiene una cosa, que sea como sea hay que hacerlo funcionar, porque si no funciona los especuladores no pueden especular, y por eso, justo por eso, nos vamos a salvar, que si que si.

Que leo artículos de profesores y de otros foros, chistes de economía doméstica y anécdotas económicas de empresas como google que nos pegan aquí, y digo que esto se merece un brindis por tener un espacio donde entre todos recopilamos tanta información, tanto buen humor, y tanto berrinche, y me acuerdo de un viejo chiste, que además puede completar la lista de medidas anti-crisis y anti-especuleitors, que si a Javier le ha gustado el post de jac, a mí me ha gustado el post de javier, y me digo: voy al bar de rafa a contárselo a mis paisanos.

CONSEJO INVERSOR PARA EL 2º SEMESTRE DEL 2008 y …. VISTO LO VISTO PARA EL AÑO 2009

Tatúese un euro en el pene y….. disfrute de cinco ventajas:

1º Disfrutará moviendo su dinero.

2º Verá crecer su inversión.

3º No le importará que su mujer se coma sus ahorros…

4º Sólo usted decide cómo proteger su inversión, y…

5º Sólo usted decide dónde meter su dinero.

Siempre pensando en usted, le saluda su asesor de inversiones.

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# 37 , jdx

3 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 10:22.

# 14 , Nadal con 400€
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cierto, pero por desgracia, y sin ánimo de ofender a ningún forista, la lista és algo más larga.

c) inmigrantes derivados de la construcción, q stan en sus países, y cobrando el paro de españa. sisi, cierto.
d) “niñatos”, que pasan olímpicamente de trabajar, ya que han hecho hucha en vacas gordas, y agotarán los 2 años de paro religiosamente.
e) gente, que, cobra el paro, y trabaja 4-5 horas en bares, transportista, o ayudantes de carga/descarga, y cobran en negro, total: paro+negro, curran 4 horas, y cobran 2mil euros.
f) currantes de los de verdad, q su empresa se ha ido a pique, y desgraciadamiento no encuentra trabajo.
g)paletas, que estan en el paro, y aspiran a seguir cobrando lo mismo, mientras no, cobran del paro y hacen chapuzas por las casas en negro…

conclusión: si de esos 2.5millones, restamos los que se las estan tocando en casa, los que se aprovechan de pluriempleado (paro+negro), y algunos de la lista más… creo q no llegaríamos ni al 6%. España, és el país del tocomocho con el tocho, y de sangrar las arcas lo que uno pueda. triste pero cierto, así, sin remar todos a la vez, seguiremos incrementando esa cifra, y podemos batir aunténticos records. al tiempo.
conclusión2: EL QUE QUIERE TRABAJAR, TRABAJA. DE LO QUE SEA.

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# 38 , Feliz día

3 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 10:23.

También estan los del tipo C, Funcionarios del estado tipo policias locales,(un ejemplo) con sueldos de 1700€(aprox.) que pillan la baja durante meses y meses cobrando el 100% de su sueldo, por un leve dolor de espalda. Injusticias las hay y las habrá siempre.

Buen día a tod@s

Pd. Las cifras del paro estan igual que en el año 1988,( esto me empieza asustar)

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# 39 , ACOJONANTE… LO QUE VIENE !!!

3 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 10:33.

*************

Una crisis TOTAL.

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# 40 , JAC

3 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 10:40.

# 39 , ACOJONANTE… LO QUE VIENE !!!

Otro que ha leido a SNB alias “ternero joven”

¡ Ála, machote, ya has redescubierto la sopa de ajo !

Aunque, alomejor, se te ha olvidado la preposición “de” y lo que querias decir es:

“Una crisis DE total”

Porque con los precios que tiene esa cadena de gasolineras……..

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# 41 , Andaluz

3 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 10:42.

Hoy me dejo de filosofía e intento explicar un poco que significa para un banco un 2 % de morosidad, que significa para un banco un 2 % de morosidad en el peor de los supuestos posibles, veamos:

- El banco no tiene fondos propios para conceder préstamos hipotecarios y solicita dinero interbancario a un tipo como todos sabréis de Euribor (pongamos que este sea un 5 % para que salgan cuentas redondas).
- El banco utiliza este dinero en préstamos con garantía hipotecaria, aplicándole al Euribor un diferencial del 1 %, (Euribor + 1) es decir un 6 % de interés.
- El banco concede 100 hipotecas con un importe de 180.000 €.
- El banco cobra en cada una de esas hipotecas una comisión de apertura del 1 % (180.000 € en total).
- El banco concede todas estas hipotecas a un plazo de 30 años.
- Ahora vienen las cuentas:
180.000 € con un plazo de amortización de 30 años a un 5 % de interés: Cuota: 966,28 €
180.000 € con un plazo de amortización de 30 años a un 6 % de interés: Cuota: 1.079,19 €
Diferencia: 112,91 €
Diferencia en 100 hipotecas: 11.291 €
Morosidad 2 %: El banco tiene que seguir pagando dos cuotas del dinero solicitado en el interbancario, es decir: 966,28 X 2 = 1.932,56 €.
Reserva: El banco cobro un 1 % de comisión de apertura en cada operación, es decir: 180.000 € en total, por lo tanto cancela en el interbancario 180.000 € de una de las dos operaciones que entraron en morosidad.
Morosidad 2 %: Como el banco abona 180.000 € solo tiene que continuar pagando al interbancario 966,28 €.
Totales: El banco cobra el 98 % de las hipotecas 112,91 € X 98 hipotecas = 11.065,18 €, a este importe hay que restarle los 966,28 € que el banco tiene que seguir pagando en el interbancario: 11.065,18 € - 966,28 € = 10.098,90 €.
Final:
a) El banco percibe mensualmente una vez pagado el interbancario 10.098,90 €.
b) El banco adquiere un patrimonio de 2 viviendas, que hipoteco en 180.000 € cada una, viviendas a las que quitándole el 20 % (tasación) y el 10 % (gastos cliente) pueden vender en 126.000 € cada una.
c) Mi opinión, YA LA SABEIS.

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# 42 , Cerberus

3 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 10:49.

Aunque el petróleo haya bajado, el euro también. Creo que lo vamos a notar más bien poco la bajada del primero.

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# 43 , Mandy

3 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 10:54.

Interesante artículo sobre los huertos solares.
Solo para aquellos que les gusta ponerse de mala leche.
http://www.cotizalia.com/cache/2008/09/03/opinion_1_huertos_solares_fraude_masivo_consecuencias_previsibles.html

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# 44 , gerthins

3 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 10:56.

Buenos dias.
Porcierto, alguna sabe a cuanto está en conejo, lo digo porque a ver con que nos va a sosprender el Gobierno de este pais para estas fiestas de Navidad. El año pasado recomendaron conejo (y nadie sabia nada de crisis), éste año,……., no sé que nos recomendaran.
Hasta luego.

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# 45 , POM

3 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 11:04.

#13

A veces no es tan fácil comprar al productor pues dependiendo del volumen solo el transporte puede encarecer mucho el producto: no es lo mismo llenar un camión que enviar un par de palets…

#14

Se podría controlar aprovechando todos esos funcionarios que suelen “sobrar” en las administraciones: pe He tenido que ir últimamente varias veces al ayuntamiento de la población donde vivo y siempre he visto lo mismo: salas con 8-12 funcionarios (todos de atención) donde solo de 2 a 4 estan atendiendo y el resto estan hablando o pasando el tiempo (no hay suficientes visitas como para dar trabajo a todos). Este excedente podria dedicarse a controlar, entre otras cosas, los parados.

En general:

Por lo que veo, pude haber dinero para invertir en las empresas pero se están aplazando estas inversiones por todo el panorama tan negro que se está planteando. Se quedan a la espera dejando sin trabajo las empresas que han de contratar generando una espiral negativa. ¿No hará esto que la crisis parezca peor de lo que en realidad es o podria ser?

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# 46 , Jar76

3 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 11:08.

Como van a recolocar a todos los parados de la construccion podrian utilizar los tubos de los pisos medio construidos para hacer las morcillas. Si es que el que no se conforma es porque no quiere.

Los pisos no se venden, ¿por que la gente quiere esperar?, pues como decia mi abuela, que esperen sentados porque de pie se van a cansar y sino ya que estamos acostados, que la cama al menos no te la van embargar.

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# 47 , jdx

3 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 11:08.

# 45 , POM
no no, la cosa és mejor. Eran los propios agricultores los que llevaban la mercancía a las tiendas en furgonetas, y diariamente. Y aún así, ganaban más dinero. Estaban a 20-25km de las tiendas.
Para reflexionar eh?

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# 48 , EMILIO

3 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 11:12.

Eleuribor sigue haciendo la goma…o “Un pasito p’alante,uno p’atras”

5,323 -0,131%

Por cierto,yo de vosotros me leería el post de Cali de ayer, el 212. Lastima que lo colgara a las 7 de la tarde.

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# 49 , Deimos Fenix

3 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 11:13.

#41
Aún en ese calculo del funcionamiento de un banco que acude al interbancario te falta una variable, que son los ingresos financieros que el banco ingresa, ya sea por comisiones financieras sobre los productos, o los depositos que realizan los clientes.

Si pe el “gran banco” UBF, (ficticio of course) ofrece depositos financieros al 6% TAE, e ingresa 100 fondos de 20.000€ (2M€ a pagar un 6% 120.000€)
y da 10 hipotecas de 200.000 € a un tipo fijo (una utopia) al 6.30% (2M€ al 6.3% solo en intereses son 126.000€)
Si pagamos los intereses de los fondos, con los intereses de las hipotecas, aún al banco UBF tiene un fondo bruto de 6.000, sigue ganando.
La mora de un pago implica un tipo de interés de penalización en el pago.
En caso de impago, un banco prefiere seguir cobrando una cuota periódica que la dación del bien. El negocio de los bancos es el dinero, no los inmuebles.

Los panteones están casi vacíos.
Y sobre los precios del carburante, que no olvidemos que se pagan en $, sube hoy como no lo ha echo en 7 meses, si sube el dolar y baja el petroleo, pagamos el gasoil en €, nos quedamos igual.

Ni la Macarena, ni la Mareueta, ni San Pedro Virgen y Mártir

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# 50 , JUAN

3 de Septiembre de 2008, a las 11:15.

Como todos sabéis es una crisis muy compleja esta que tenemos, y precisamente de las grandes crisis se sale con medidas que regulen las ineficiencias que genera el mercado y que asoman precisamente en periodos de crisis … para mi el tema de las hipotecas familiares se podría regular con reformas sobre el Euribor, es decir, crear un Euribor de referencia Inmobiliario en torno al 2% sobre el que se rijan las hipotecas, ya constituidas y por constituir, impidiendo fijar a los bancos unos variables de mas del 0.5%. Con esta medida desaparecerían las morosidades de las hipotecas, resurgiría el ahorro, se relanzaría el consumo o demanda familiar y se solucionaría una parte del problema del sector inmobiliario … Así que zp ya puedes tomar nota y demostrar que eres un socialista de pro e ir a Europa a pelear por los españolitos y meter en cintura a la Banca, principal causante de la Madre de todas las Crisis como dirían al otro lado del charco … hay que empezar a cambiar las cosas desde dentro …

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