Faced

Whatever the blog and forum where you goals, there will always be two groups faced. Linux users against Windows users against Progressive Conservatives, merengue against Culès, spidermaniacos against batmaniacos, rented against mortgaged, playstationeros against xboxeros and nuncabajistas against bubbles.

Yesterday, Punset tried to respond in El Pais weekly to the question of why we split up into groups.

The herds are dog and chimpanzees are very loyal to their group, but unlike humans, these animals do not decide which of the other group are good or bad depending on their flags, but of some interest as the territory or sexual selection. Probably, we are the only species that behaves in one way or another on the basis of symbols. In addition, all our affiliations overlap. We have more than one way to qualify: by nation, language, sex or age group. It is also fascinating to see that we remain human divided into categories such as gender or ethnicity, but not by other standards such as left and right handed or ups and downs. This suggests that this is a special way of thinking. And the thought, like the soul, is in the brain.

The article does not give us the answer to this behavior so bizarre, but what do we have here is that they often talk about what they are talking, we find two clear groups. It does not matter if you come together here to discuss two men who are both white, of atleti, centrists and fans of the beatles it is safest to end up arguing because one was rented and the other mortgaged, instead of talking about how much that unites them. Strange is not it?.

Rescue another piece of the article:

Probably more damage has been inflicted because of the loyalties of individuals to a specific tradition, to a race or a religion because of economic change. However, everyone says that the rich and the multinationals are guilty of the evils that afflict us, as the difference of class or poverty.

That's right. The blame for all the other group has a spot, never ours. In economics the culprits are multinational corporations and information technology is Bill Gates

In the markets we also have two elements are easily identified, buyers and sellers who struggle faced under the law of supply and demand. It appears that at the moment are the buyers who have the shots as we can at least read the article I'm caught! How do I sell my house now?.

Buy house. Good location. Newly renovated. Urge. Price to negotiate. This is one of the ads you can read every day everywhere: newspapers, websites specialized in real estate market, posters hung on the terraces of houses, lampposts, bus stops .... This diversity of media to hang a poster for sale reflects the desperate situation that some citizens live.
Many are caught in the crisis in the sector of the brick that hardens with the delicate financial situation. They need to sell your current home, to get the money and able to fulfill the contract for purchase of another house (new, bigger and better services), who soon will deliver real estate. The clock has begun to flow, but the buyer still unaccounted for.

Without doubt, all a problem for those away from their intention to speculate, find themselves caught in a market completely stopped.

This week we will see that it has ported the economy this month because we have to know the GDP of Spain, Germany and the USA. We cross our fingers.

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# 1 flac

August 25, 2008, at 9:27.

Currito Poor's Cayenne have awakened suddenly
Poor millionaires out of money sold his soul to the bench by a piros-zulito.
Poor lawyers do not stop working soon.
pd. lack a week to start in September ...

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# 2, tranchetillo

August 25, 2008, at 9:29.

Hello everyone, I return to the forum after the holidays. Kisses for Forero.

# 3, Anonymous

August 25, 2008, at 9:30.

I think we all have a right to try to improve, that is an aspiration logical move to a better house. I know someone in that sitación you comment, but the question even without intent, if you buy through 8 and pretend to sell in five years by 30 to buy 45 what it is ... just like illusion ...

+25

# 4, Andaluz

August 25, 2008, at 9:30.

Very good article, it seems, we must give thanks to those who commented on the forum that Carlos was beginning to sin (believers and atheists, in questions of life Savater spoke of the man as the symbolic animal, a sentence that some ready before you know it Savater and make it a more lucrative benefit that the simple profit that you can translate that into a book).

-10

# 5, hipotecadodeporvida

August 25, 2008, at 9:34.

good at all ...
... I took in my sister's house at the beach ... ... ... Calafell pins wi fi for some unsuspecting vecion ... and to follow with attention the forum .. since my condition and flipo separate superhipotecado .. .. of the cars that I see for .. here and the posters of apartment .. you see around here .. and this is an urbanization of more or less 5 years ... this is sinking ...
contrasted with more than one .. you have said that after holiday .. .. if it fails to return is not to fix the roles of unemployment ... I think we expect some Christmas chunga .. and we will see the image seafood in other words ... I take that to felicitaros .. and wish you all a Merry Christmas and prosperous New Year .. (now that I can .. and I have yet to win)

+29

# 6, Ayalga

August 25, 2008, at 9:34.

Yesterday, the Wall Street Journal just published an article on this subject.
Basically permission to say that many people were able to accumulate huge losses in a bad investment because their pride prevented them from selling at a loss to the top and then was too late.
Although immediately saw that had made a bad investment does not want to admit it, reaffirming their positions with others in similar situations and usually claimed responsibility for external personal decision.
Although the article focuses mainly to accept the mistake and cut losses as soon as possible "to at least minimize them.

In this forum the same thing happens, nobody accepts that buy bad - or is not wrong and when should I buy, if we are going to the case - and now are trapped or in very high mortgages or rent more and more expensive, but nobody gives his arm to twist. He made all the blame on "the other". We are human.

+50

# 7, Alex

August 25, 2008, at 9:35.

Totally agree on what that all we need to belong to a group, are territorial and tribal beings and we need to feel identified with our people (as our football team, our neighborhood, our nation, our operating system, etc.).. I particularly belong to the group "pringaos" I needed to buy a flat to live in it and therefore was trapped in this speculative bubble in which another group was enriched through us.

A greeting

+23

# 8, Fran

August 25, 2008, at 9:36.

# 1 Flac

As far as I can see you are a millionaire, or embittered hermit. If you are one of the first two, you have no problems. Congratulations

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# 9, Chucky

August 25, 2008, at 9:40.

I suppose that is inherent in human nature ... Anyway I understand that all these conflicts are artificial in the sense that they are created by ourselves, partly because we are many people on this planet and in part because we are at the top of the pyramid food (we have no enemies that affect us as human race).

I think that is not bad to have a certain rivalry, but killed reaching for a few guys that run inside a ball and earn billions (that's where I think there are more exacerbated now) is ridiculous.

Incidentally, you forgot to mention the eternal struggle of non-smokers and smokers vs gasoline. diesel. I think with this article that it is going to mount a real flame against each other ...

And sign me declare: Linux user; anti; antifutbolero; spidermaníaco; ¿wiisero? and were ex-smokers. Ale.

+11

# 10, flac

August 25, 2008, at 9:42.

Poor country where he praises the cicada and the ant are criticized ... ... ..
keep singing.

# 11, XYZ

August 25, 2008, at 9:48.

Good morning, everyone.

Interesting article on the Euribor forecast by the end of the year.

http://www.eleconomista.es/noticias/noticias/717230/08/08/El-Euribor-cerrara-agosto-siete-decimas-por-debajo-del-nivel-de-julio-y-sellara-el- year-on-around-the-5.html

It will be important to us that oil from a breather in the coming months to see if that ECB rates have fallen and EURIBOR our soul step down, albeit slightly, from 5%.

Good day to all.

PD. Ah! Obama puts on the south, then it is clear that McCain wins

# 12, King Quinito

August 25, 2008, at 9:53.

# 11

Whether, and if McCain wins, will come out white cucumber saying it suspected that from the beginning and at the bottom of his heart, was his preferred candidate.

# 13, Murdok

August 25, 2008, at 9:56.

And we have to believe that these people do not buy to speculate?

As many of them if, as a man who wanted me to sell the flat for years, I had a great hurry pq if I had to be furnished in 2 months so that he could give the piece of Villa VPO Salia it more cheaply from what I wanted the floor.

For normal people, sorry.
For speculators, who Fuck.

+19

# 14, XYZ

August 25, 2008, at 9:57.

# 12

If that is Rappppel Cucumber is a first. And always makes good saying that "after seen, the whole world is ready"

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# 15, XYZ

August 25, 2008, at 10:08.

The minister of labor, Corbacho, made a suggestion on the "wage freeze"

It is curious because it said that wage moderation can ask more arouse conflict and have worse outcomes that speak directly to freeze wages.

Well, I do not understand. If called wage restraint at least you climb up something. If you freeze wages .... as that.

Anyway that face all have. 25 years as I've always heard the same song of summer "moderation".

Thus we find that in 20 years wages have risen about decimillas of anything. The other day and said this: if I go up to the salary levels of our European environment How have the card to get it to the level that taxes are for services that give us?

Anyway, the song of all time.

+48

# 16, Attila, King of the year

August 25, 2008, at 10:12.

Hello hello, friends!

Continuing with the wonderful article today, the blame for your cipotecas are banks and construction companies. Never your greed.

I see pain, a lot of pain ...

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# 17, Breogan

August 25, 2008, at 10:16.

# 9, Chucky

I would like you all over in less spidermaniaco and were ex-smokers. Tb antimonarquico.Con the wii I declare I am enganchao, but my wife any day I miss home. : S.

Those who bought the apartment to live if you do not do any business then sell it to buy another, because they will go further in relation to the price of that sold. By not counting the typical reforms and furniture on it to the floor and stay there.

+10

# 18, Sneha

August 25, 2008, at 10:35.

Interesting news:
The sale of fuels fell 15% in July, the largest drop since 1993 (http://www.elmundo.es/mundodinero/index.html)
For something is ...

+10

# 19, P

August 25, 2008, at 10:39.

And rising sales of bicycles.

+18

# 20, Noys

August 25, 2008, at 10:43.

I fully agree with this passage from the article "probably has inflicted more damage because of the loyalties of individuals to a specific tradition, to a race or a religion because of economic change."

I blame religion, and especially to its promoters and supporters of all the ills of the world: overpopulation, bigotry, hunger, misery, and everything that that entails ... ...

I identify as progressive, anti, atheist and asimoviana

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# 21, condonacion_jeje

August 25, 2008, at 10:46.

which lowers the sale of petrol ... They have searched TO Jodan!!

# 22, Kurbein

August 25, 2008, at 10:50.

It's curious the classification of "buyer to live" vs "speculator." The split into two groups but in reality, the border between the two is quite blurred. You can not be "leftists" and "right wing" at a time, and right-handed or left-handed, or black and white, but if a speculator who can "buy to live," or someone who bought to live, you can try to speculate home.

In fact, the current situation, many who are trapped
belong to this group. People who are happily buy a house to live, but with the idea of going into the game of speculation to go to a shelter that was initially out of their reach, seduced by the siren song of the nuncabajistas. And now are caught by the collapse of the market.

For this, much as their personal situations can sometimes be dramatic, I put in the same category as "pure speculation" and I say the same thing: bad luck, lad! The market is well, no small crisis (read marked with Argentine accent).

And regarding the topic of the day: I declare ... .. YO. I am not in any category. I would declare right-wing, but I do not like 80% of those who call themselves leftists. I would declare anti, but I can not but recognize that sometimes say things with a lot of sense. I would declare antifutbolero, but the Euro made me tremble. I declare Republican, but Juan Carlos has not done badly.

happy week

# 23, js

August 25, 2008, at 10:54.

# 22, Kurbein

I mean, in the vicissitude between "RESOLVED" and "UNDECIDED" you know where to put (If you look, there's always a place to take shelter)

# 24, Accept

August 25, 2008, at 10:55.

I have to be a rare species.

For some things, I consider myself conservative and progressive to another.

Maybe me because I rijo by a maxima that is, if something works, no change at the most enhanced. If one thing does not work and discard seek no other alternative but to seek to improve or change one thing that input is not working.

I do not think of any political party or from any trend, people like me, there are those who call us vanes, chaqueteros, etc ... no compliment, but what people do not know is that we are the ideas that we own and we do not let pigeonhole or talk about acronyms or symbols.

Everything is summarized in DEPENDS ON WHICH TO YOU, AND FOR YOU WHEN, then some, or those of others beyond.

A greeting.

+11

# 25, Tuys

August 25, 2008, at 10:57.

Good thing there's always a progressive for blaming the religion of all evil ... (and if you can be the best Catholic).

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# 26, Noys

August 25, 2008, at 11:01.

I forgot .... I am 20% ist!
I hope that the Euribor will soon return to work and do it well.

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# 27, Breogan

August 25, 2008, at 11:03.

We live in the Siglo XXI. We do not need a church to take away the fear of death or award to the will of God as unjustifiable. Nor do we need a king, we are not in the middle ages!.

+18

# 28, David Guada

August 25, 2008, at 11:04.

We always want to improve, and it is not bad, but let's be a little cautious. The housing boom reminds me a bit to the internet boom and computers, where to learn web programming, webmaster be so 10 years ago was the future, not that it is not only that everything is like when we run the voice of "my neighbor took a correspondence course reports and takes 1500 euros! "Everyone wants to be a webmaster, to the extent that the market is saturated aspirants, then what is it, my neighbor has sold 40 million three months ago and bought it for $ 15 million, and with that we bought a 50 ... Everybody speculating that saltito to give a little better in the past, has been one of the causes of what we live today as a result. Sometimes we have to be a little more conformist, as most of the time is not out of necessity, if not by excessive ambition.

Greetings

+26

# 29, Sneha

August 25, 2008, at 11:08.

Well, it took a lot out the theme of religion and what is evil and wicked.
Of course, dictators and corrupt regimes (Cuba, Africa, etc.) have nothing to do with hunger in the world

# 30, Noys

August 25, 2008, at 11:08.

# 24, Accept

Everything you say is within the concept of progressive. The curator is the kind of person who keeps something at all costs, even knowing that something is not working, if only by tradition, while the progressive rejects it and try another method to create is better. If this one works well because there will be no need for change.

# 31, NOT CONSUMPTION! IF YOU CAN NOT spend!

August 25, 2008, at 11:09.

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Here my input bit to get cut costs that I believe without:

1) Reduction / Elimination of defects (This point is worth two! Do not spend on snuff, pastitas, bar ... and on top of our health benefits significantly)

2) Reduction of leisure (Go to the movies, restaurants, clubs, shopping ... if we hold our consumerist spirit and just do these things once a month we save a lot)

3) When going to throw petrol ... fill up the tank top! (I've seen people who travels 5 miles to go throw gasoline and then he misses only 20 euros ... with that within 2 days you have to go again! Unnecessary expenditure miles)

4) Run with less car, truck or motorcycle ... (If we're going to 100km / h on motorway / freeway / national spend half that if we go to 140 km / h ... a tank will last us a lot more if we apply techniques "reduction consumer "as: acelerones not hitting, not stepping on the accelerator more than half of the pedal ...)

REFUELING cheaper: http://geoportal.mityc.es/hidrocarburos/eess/

5) Buying on the Internet (I buy clothes on Ebay for 30/40 euros ... exactly the same as being there in the shop for 100/150 euros!! First I am going to the store and I try the clothes. When I know the size that I do well in that pledge, and I go looking in the ebay ... and if I find ... vegetables! the buy (I come from Asian countries) and savings INCREDIBLE!. ... By the way the clothes that are in the Stores do not believe that it is MADE IN SPAIN ... MADE IN CHINA ... is like that ... I buy so I set the benefit they get will be ... ... Greed!)

6) When you go to make the purchase ... what you're looking for and buying in quantities OFFER you can take advantage of that price (I, for example, I like much juice ... because if I see any offer 2 x 1 I bought 10 packages and draft a month with this juice ... and when the milk is equal to (do anything in the milk was Caprabo 2 × 1 and bought 10 bricks of 6 liters ... bringing the liter, where previously 70 cents / liter, I I've got 35 cents / liter) and with All that can be.)

7) Before you buy anything ... 3 times if you think it is really necessary ... and if you think 4 times the price we are asking is worth it and if not cheaper elsewhere.

Reduce spending on water (turn off the tap when not to use the water ... especially in the shower. There are people, and much, that while soap leaves the TAP OPEN ...! Hacedme please turn off the tap! Al style "BANK". Jeje!) Also when you brush your teeth ...

9) If your partner spends much at all this ... try dialogue with him / her to understand that it is not necessary to dispense live. And they consume does not give happiness. It is better for the relationship of a couple walking hand in hand agarraditos and commenting on what it is the beautiful landscape that does not buy a perfume or a jewel or a watch ...

10) To eliminate share gym (well you can go running through the city park ... and if you do it with your partner better than best! You put on a free)

11) Reducing the cost of telephone / mobile (not call for spouting how "I'm coming." Using the SMS. No games downloaded to your phone! They are a jets and a scam. Do not participate in competitions ... "sends a message to 5555 and win a car or a dog pilot ... ") (between my girlfriend and I spend 40 euros per month)

12) Have a good mood and wanting to get up LIVE (spend less if we live with joy and good humor).

13) Do not buy anything in the stores of gas stations. Theft is a fully fledged ... everything costs twice that in a supermarket ... LADRON neither more nor less.

14) Do not compréis the newspaper: leedlo internet (the general sports + = 2 € a day that means a saving of more than 60 € per month).

15) No fuméis ..., the snuff is very expensive. At the time of my grandfather that if he could smoke, it was good and cheap.

16) To drive with the windows closed.

17) Turn off the lights when we are in a room (not obsessed).

18) Do not be two hours in the shower but the time needed (saving water and gas)

19) Review the bank to detect commissions strange, that banks are fairly given to these things. AND NEVER be taken not in the red to avoid fees for overdrafts.

20) Regularly review the pressure of the tires of the car.

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AND IN RIO:

-) In the evenings, go to the mall to taste all the tastings and so you save the snack.

-) Steal toilet paper from the office, every day you take a roll and that you save.

-) Stealing sugar bars. Note: the bar is only going to accompany a friend to take something, but that does not come out profitable. You have to take a friend from work that is consumerist, but you can not count your theories will not be saving you the hassle plan.

-) Take all gels / soaps from hotels. You can also try to meet the lady of the cleaning and when to leave the cart only to give the assault total.
Note: This only applies if you travel for business or invite you, but also profitable exits.

-) Pins to friends, you can go for a drink with friends (dinner is more profitable) and say that you've forgotten your wallet and you pay for another day, then do not call him again and in peace.
Note: incoveniente as you can stay without friends, but enjoy entertainment without spending anything.

-) Steal clothing that is left in the container of the parish, it's likely that it is received not need it and this leaves a lot cheaper to buy in any store or on Ebay.

-) Dine little bit. What you save on paper and lose weight if you're on top Gordin!

-) Listen to the new release in the exhibitors of music stores. What to buy?

-) Read hat in the Cortinglés, the FNAC or the like. Why spend money on books?

-) Donate blood. In addition to making a good play because you save the dinner you get sandwiches and soda.

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# 32, Noys

August 25, 2008, at 11:10.

29, Anonymous

There is no worse blind as those who will not see.

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# 33, Murdok

August 25, 2008, at 11:10.

# 28, David Guada

What we do not have realized most of the sheep is that 5 years ago her flat Valia 10 kilos and a chalet 20 then needed 10 more to buy it.
1 years ago gave them their 50 per floor, that right, q pasta, what we sell and buy a villa, (foolish of them to the chalet Valia 100 and change now supposed 50 kilos instead of 10)

# 34, Sneha

August 25, 2008, at 11:12.

# 32, Noys
There is so blind that he sees only what is written in the book of topics that have given him.

# 35, Murdok

August 25, 2008, at 11:13.

# 31, NOT CONSUMPTION! IF YOU CAN NOT spend!

If we are going to 100km / h on motorway / freeway / national spend half that if we go to 140 km / h

That must be a 140 pq you get 100 € fine, jejeje.

+24

# 36, Noys

August 25, 2008, at 11:19.

# 34, Sneha

Funny what you say without thinking, of course. I do not rijo my life with a book of myths and stereotypes. I think for myself, is the advantage of not being subjected to any sect.

Ye are believers who follow this book, not me.

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# 37, Isolde

August 25, 2008, at 11:19.

I like someone said up there for me to think about things liberal and conservative for others ... nu is, I will be Raritan or argo: P.
Now you wiimaníaca am and my husband too well that there are no fights at home, the only thing when he grows up a little more girls, we do not cease playing jajaja.

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# 38, Rub

August 25, 2008, at 11:21.

12 Month Euribor (360) 25/08/2008: 5.319

-2

# 39, Sneha

August 25, 2008, at 11:22.

# 30, Noys
Equvicas if you think I am a believer, the only thing I say is that religion is not the root of all evil in the world as you've commented.
The church is in this century is somewhat outdated, but the work he has done for education and to eradicate hunger is superior to any of the NGOs that are defined as Progres.

-1

# 40, js

August 25, 2008, at 11:22.

Come on, today euribor 5.319, -0.002

Catching carrerilla for September

Does anyone know what day this week leaves the CPI advanced?

-1

# 41, to live and buy mortgage bridge

August 25, 2008, at 11:24.

I bought a flat for investment, not "to live" in 2004.
In 2006 I offered by a significantly greater amount of pay.
Just at that time I saw on planes, a villa with pool very cool.
So I sold the apartment to buy the house.
To pay the difference extend the mortgage on the house where I live (for less than what many are spent in a car).
Now I have my house and a villa and a high but manageable mortgage for me.
Certainly not buy the house until I was in my pocket the money from the sale of the floor, I'm not gilip * bottles.

-16

# 42, PRI

August 25, 2008, at 11:28.

# 39
Temita not to start with, the church made a lot more harm to people than it has helped and if you put on a scale insurance that echo the most damage in the humanity of what has helped

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# 43, Murdok

August 25, 2008, at 11:28.

# 41, to live and buy mortgage bridge

No, you're a mirror

# 44, js

August 25, 2008, at 11:29.

"Anybody know what day this week leaves the CPI advanced?"

I answer to myself on 28 leaves the front of the HICP for August. With this bajadita on oil, I see it below 5%, what do you think? (I recall that in Julio'08 stood at 5.3%)

# 45, Anonymous

August 25, 2008, at 11:31.

# 39, Sneha

The church, at the request of power, is what has worked side by side in the generation of hunger and misery in the world.

Religion has always promoted the lie to achieve the subjugation of peoples.

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# 46, Noys

August 25, 2008, at 11:31.

The 45 is mine.

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# 47, Juan Palomo

August 25, 2008, at 11:34.

# 44, js
August 25, 2008, at 11:29.

"Anybody know what day this week leaves the CPI advanced?"

AS JUAN PALOMO .... YO YO Guise and ME WHAT WE LIKE ME!

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# 48, Sneha

August 25, 2008, at 11:37.

Okay, let the discussion that I do not want to leave the area.
I admit that the church has killed more people starve to communism and if the church does not exist in Cuba tie the dogs with sausage.

Fin.

# 49, Euribor up up!

August 25, 2008, at 11:38.

up up!
up up!

Above the Euribor, arribaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!

BE SAVING! NO CONSUMPTION!

Or better SAID .... CONSUMPTION IF:

SAME WITH YOUR CAR
SAME WITH HIS WORK
SAME WITH YOUR GEAR
SAME WITH YOUR PHONE
WITH ITS SELF ....

Put WHAT ye

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# 50, Rex

August 25, 2008, at 11:40.

Before blaming the Church of the ills of mankind half, if we do not think that would have echársela to poor people directly ...

Eye. I am not a practicing Catholic.

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