Santiago and Friday ...

Today is a day that could give enough to talk because the government has downgraded seven tenths, to 1.6%, the growth forecast for 2008 but, as is Friday, James and also a lot of people are on holiday, leaving only the commentary of the week and we go every weekend to rest.

# 30, Maryju
July 24, 2008, at 10:51.
Hello everybody, that no time to write, I've been matándome to work and the truth is that I have not had any time, the right to go leyéndoos and a little bit ... But last week there was a post called me that much attention, as many of you, is that of health, money / work and love, priorities in life ... And he has a lot of true ... I would like, if you let me, a little contaros my experience, now I'm on holiday and I have a little ...
Despite the fact that "only" 26 years I know what it is to live without health, without work / money and without love ... Also what is to be without any of the 3 things ... The theme of love is like everyone, people are going and comes and relations alike, you take disappointment, disillusionment ... nothing new that you may know not. The theme of money deserves a little more explanation ... When the crisis of the 90 put things more serious in my house I was about 12 years or so ... I personally at this age that was not suffered to reach the end of the month and pay bills (such as certain that you have suffered many Forero older than me) but what is see my mother looking mourn the bank passbook or nearly empty fridge ... And that for a girl, who failed to understand what is happening is also very hard. Alice Chaos ever since I've been saving to live but I did give me much more aware of the importance of money and save and manage know when you have it ... I now see people in full entry to another crisis happening all over, misses home the window with the European football championship, do not forgive the holidays, continue to spend and to waste and I do not understand anything ... Is it perhaps because no one remembers what we cry watching the bank's book 14 years ago? Is it that I'm the only one in Spain which saw his mother mourn for not knowing how to fill the refrigerator so that their children eat? It is true that the Euribor up up is always a bit tiresome repeating the same thing about saving save! (Euribor is up up right? to see if I have bundled ...) but has more reason than a saint, but in some ways to save does not agree with him (as evidenced in the pants in a store and then not take me looks like a trailing Pelin), each must find his way to save miguitas bread for the economic winter that is the way na ...
Then there is the issue of health ... It is sad to write this knowing that nobody will be worth nothing, because until you get something like this happens not learn, do not you realize what you have ... And it was because I But it has happened ... is because I need to write it like ... 2 years ago I suffered a serious accident that almost leaves me in a wheelchair and changed my life for quite some time ... It not only lost health, but was unable to work ( in fact could not do any activity other than lying in bed) and also lost the love, if you can call them that when someone sees that things warp and is no longer fun to be with you are looking for another ... And now is not only the loss of physical health, but also all the psychological problems that led to this: Complex, a feeling of futility, agoraphobia, anxiety, disgust and sorrow of myself ... I felt a human spoils ... Let that was not exactly the best stage of my life ...
All these experiences have helped me grow, mature and form a personality and a scale of values.
First is health, because without health you can lose everything else, is the base of this pyramid, the basic pillar, but it is sad that only when we realize we were broken. And health is not being perfect, we all have our little things, my back will never be the one that was, but it fills me with happiness every time I think it hurts but at least I can tell stand, I can run to catch the bus or I can stoop to play with my nephews or my dog ...
Second is the work, with exceptions that would be counted happy the whole day lying in the sun (and I doubt very much that never tires of a life well soon) I think we all need to feel useful in this society, to contribute to that wheel turn, create, help ... Unless the parasites of society to which I shall never ... I can finally get back to work and I feel really helpful and happy when my work contributed to solving the problems of others. I am also happy when I come home tired from long hours of work and lying on the bed as I think after that day I am a little bit closer to fulfilling my dreams ...
Lastly is the love, right now I'm starting to get to know a person, I do not have a relationship, but it's nice to feel that illusion of when a story begins ... Even so, you can live without love, I assure you, but it has cost me I have learned to do it, so you can not miss is never the love for oneself, to accept us as we want and value without feeling the need to have someone next to us telling us how much worth and what we are handsome ... It is quite important ...
Well forgive all this pain, the truth is that something is carrying around my head since I read the post and that I have finally been able to translate here ... Holiday Blessed!
Comrades, let me comment that if the thing is getting ugly, but while we have to work for health, employment (better or worse) to earn money with which to fill our refrigerators and our partner's love, family and friends, everything will be much easier, or at least should be ...
Plasma TV, the Wii, the latest phone model and the holidays things are secondary, dispensable, for anything that gives us happiness, unlike us create the anguish of not able to achieve, we do believe that we can not be happy without a new car, a 42-inch TV, a home theater equipment and a vacation in Riviera Maya, but ... Until when are we going to let us fooled? Look around at your peers, the better the Euribor is rising, prices also, the money scarce, but ... Are you sure that we do not have everything you need to be happy? I think even what we have ...
Greetings.
Maryju
PS: Sorry the speech "I hope that at least someone has made him think and feel a little better with what you have in place so bad it does not have ...

Good weekend.

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# 1, condonacion_jeje

July 25, 2008, at 8:16.

And nerve OF THE shamelessness ZP continued .... Lied before the elections by concealing that things were not going well and radio after the elections and the coming "rebajitas" in the forecast .... ZAPATERO liar !!!!!!!!!!!!

+10

# 2, Mano H20

July 25, 2008, at 8:21.

Hello Maryju

The first give you my congratulations for this comment. It's the best I have read in many months.

And secondly, the only thing I want to convey is that 26 years have not you done more than start life. The entire front and got to the base that you already have, for all that you have lived, surely in a short time you will have all three.

Health is because you're much better.
Job / money because they already have and that your insurance if you are productive and will have no problem to maintain and improve it.
And with regard to love, Who has not had threats of love that later were merely mirages? The truth, and you will come. If you serve, I thought that I was to dress as saints and least expected it appeared the most wonderful woman in the world and just went to fix me. In the end everything has its appropriate reward.

You've planted a lot in those few years. Sure that the crop is excellent.

Good luck. (That is the fourth ingredient we always forget).

And the plasma TV that you wait. There is no hurry whatsoever. Now what matters is that we move as quickly as possible between all achuchada this situation.

Salu2

+57

# 3, condonacion_jeje

July 25, 2008, at 8:23.

SUMMARIZING ... we have moved from the legislature for full employment to the legislature q in one year there will be more than 1 million unemployed reaching the 3 million (SOLBES admitted that this is what scared me more ...) ... jajajajaja solution star ZP: HELP ON WAY FOR CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES WHOSE TREMENDOUS BENEFITS FROM PREVIOUS YEARS WHERE ARE?

Spero q towards our well this term does not end ....

+26

# 4, TAHartl

July 25, 2008, at 8:30.

Hello to all the early risers.

Solbes showman and de la Vega in the embarrassing spectacle (not by the summer heat) with the growth forecast: 1.6 GDP.

Arguments: The escalation of oil and rising interest rates in the euro zone.

I wonder:

In 2008 if oil is cheaper than in 2007 because of a change Euro / Dollar higher (remember the kind of decreases in the EDF), it really is a fallacy, or continuous government of Spain?.

In the eurozone, where the escalation of oil has also been produced, has given other countries in a forecast of GDP growth in budgets of 3.8 and correction after correction forecast to reach 1.6 GDP?.

Interest rates in the euro area, namely, the Euribor has it gone up in the rest of the euro zone or only in Spain. Is it really a problem of international juncture?.

CHAIN E MASTER IDEA: 1300 workers at PARO.

http://www.elmundo.es/mundodinero/2008/07/24/economia/1216886028.html

MINISTRY OF EQUALITY.

The check-and the socialistes Bebeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee and social measures:

a) homosexual Union: no matter if one of the two is a foreigner. The check is in the name of the Spanish / a.

b) Marriage type A: Spanish foreign man and woman. The check is in the woman's name.

c) Marriage type B: Spanish man and woman. The check is not granted to the man, even Spanish. The check will be in the woman's name in the event that meets the requirements, among other leading 2 YEARS residing in Spain.

d) Marriage type C: men and foreign women. They must meet requirements similar to the case c).

"LINCOS by sheep."

# 5, Zoo Station

July 25, 2008, at 8:38.

Good morning,

I'm finding lately in the forum many links to news of the "El Mundo". I understand that it is a newspaper of national circulation, and with some very good professionals, but with a credibility that has bottomed out with the theme of the 11-M.

It would be desirable to include all links in each post to various media, so we can check the news and form an opinion based on more things.

# 6, kiriccioni

July 25, 2008, at 9:10.

Where are the laws, matarile-rile-rile, where are the laws matarile-rile-ro, FP POM

-17

# 7, TAHartl

July 25, 2008, at 9:12.

Hello everybody.

To "# 5, Zoo Station", and therefore OK to put different media (diverse and plural). But one question, according to you is there any way in Spain with a credibility that has not bottomed out on a certain topic or another?.

SUSPENSION CHAIN MASTER-IDEA.

http://www.galicia-liberal.com/20080724-master-cadena-e-idea-en-suspension-de-pagos-.html

http://www.antena3noticias.com/PortalA3N/noticia/Master-Cadena-anuncia-suspension-pagos/1929408

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/economia/Master/Cadena/Idea/suman/suspensiones/pagos/elpepueco/20080724elpepueco_6/Tes

In relation to the message of the weekend, I would put it in the mouth of Mr Zapatero, and added:

I have deceived you, I have voted, now apretaros his belt, will be strengthened after the slowdown and not IROS holiday that I and my party from Doñana I will remember all of my constituents making a toast to the sun ...

"LINCOS by sheep."

+17

# 8, Primer

July 25, 2008, at 9:15.

Hello Maryju

You do not know how you understand what the scale of values and in terms of dispensing with it dispensable. I said a person who has no sunglasses or mobile phone, or LCD / plasma, a car 15 years ....

Still to be agreed and carried an austere life, I think your comment can help wasteful and that we are not so much to find evidence with which to strengthen our positions.

Congratulations for the very informative commentary, so clear and so well written.

Without more, wish you good luck

+10

# 9, Antonio V

July 25, 2008, at 9:17.

Good morning everyone:
Once last week, with the arrival of Friday, the body relaxes and just try that move as soon as possible to reach the weekend. I think that is why I have been following the debate.
"From the mistakes and learn from this situation should things get clearer," and I do not mean who has not made the duties and to save but to something different. At the moment the stock of housing that exists is not to build any more in a season.
Not so long ago the houses were like churros, was sold off plan, and if you do not already had one behind interest waiting to acquire it. They were the moments where a large number of houses penalty gave see them just once. Pseudopromotores pseudo officers and masonry to his Aug. selling her "professionalism" in delivery of products that were bad.
Today is such a need to sell that has driven a change in the sector, not all, but if those who "went from good finishes, and sold MOUSE TRAPS." With the aim of capturing the poor customer who walks down the houses have gone up their standards, small extras have ceased to be and neither is paid by them, we get directly.
As this is a sector where the developer or builder should not prove their conociemientos or training and where cases of malicious practice has to abound, the economic crisis may cause a change in the quality of construction.

+16

# 10, Jose V.

July 25, 2008, at 9:21.

Hello:

First to greet all those who follow this forum, which I feel great about the economy and to people who like me, we are not as Espert in these things.

Second, to congratulate Maryju for your publication, I was soprendido and has come true, as I have been encouraged to write for the first time in the forum. I have 30 years and also has touched me, from tiny, the issue of doctors by a back problem that I have, but now I'm married to a wonderful woman, I have a job that I love and the topic of money, better not to talk , Jeje.

Third, I wanted to make a comment condonacion_jeje. Let us not deceive ourselves, to be a little realistic, I think that this crisis looked to come from before the election, and took time with these things, the Euribor rising, oil, etc etc ...

You can not vote for political parties by the promise, there reflesionar and to think. I think we have what we deserve, and secondly, we must acknowledge that it is a crisis of the European level and we all have to put our gratin of sand and gradually exit.

As Maryju said, on the 90 and we play crisis Moreover, I am for 31 years, I remember something better, and also I remember when the credits were paid to 14 or 18%, but the world does not stop ...

A greeting to all
PS I am not a partisan thing and I do not believe in any politician.

+15

# 11, curious

July 25, 2008, at 9:38.

Do not miss the last ...

The guild of builders Valles, requests the woe-untamiento a Catalan population that buys excess stock price of flats to VPO, in exchange for public land, (that has no waste) to restart the cycle constructive! !

Nothing, we abound floors? "AIVA paxi" because we remove and which appears to an accident! and start again!

+22

# 12, demiurge

July 25, 2008, at 9:48.

Good morning,

# 5, Zoo Station
July 25, 2008, at 8:38.
All are good politically, the economy only speaking a little less.
You must set it on the front page of El Pais recently, there are only international news ... Nothing happens in Spain?

# 13, kaki1980

July 25, 2008, at 9:50.

Tell SOLVE:

SPAIN VA ALMOST A 100 PER HOUR

Unemployment rose by 207,400 people in the second quarter and the rate reached 10, 44%

207,400 unemployed / quarter

207.400/3meses unemployed = 69,133 / month

69.133/30 days = 2304 unemployed / day

2.304/24 hours = 96 unemployed / hour

ALMOST A 100

+32

# 14, Silver

July 25, 2008, at 9:52.

Maryju

Often a comment of the week, the best that has been written here in a long time ... ..

Congratulations girl, you got the roof but well furnished room.

I also agree to the crisis of 90, at home we were 4 brothers and a single wage malavarismos ... my father did with the money, I never had any whim, but to learn to earn good things if we wanted the truth, and I really feel great hormiguita now ... but occasionally I still my whims with the mentality of saving, "Whoever saves when he has, when you want to eat! That said my grandmother

Cheers and happy weekend

+12

# 15, Carsola

July 25, 2008, at 9:54.

What is my lovely Spain! I have to confess one thing, I want to confession Forero!, a priest here? .... I see that no one cure here!, Because I'm going to say anything ..
In the beginning when I came here and saw several characters, struggling to body discovered with swords and machetes and attacked people who I thought were hiding behind figures in the style of the churri of post 131, because that is a reflection of Many others in our beautiful Spain, I told myself, here is a fierce struggle between those who have been mortgaged to the Trancas churri and those who are not and they want to open your eyes ... ... leías things more or less like this: you are a Cipotecado and the answer was, and you more, because you're a Cipoalquilado, suddenly left the Maîtres of the forum with their crates of champagne and celebrating bajaditas Euribor some as Enculator that certainly is a character worthy to study in any kind of Applied Psychology, is delight of their income from their flats boats, I read yesterday that house, if the true Enculator, I wish him the best, although it does not want to marry coñ.o do that? Ah ya! Do not fall! ... ... ..
It has rained a lot since then and those who believe the alma mater of the forum, both my Stigma Forero Atila, Chinese, fyahball, Manonegra, Upupa stigmatizados and others, such as those held by bajaditas they do not stand a word that is against their actions , As Remission jeje, the same Enculator, and others, I see a partnership today that makes me think a lot.
What is the reason for such a partnership? I am not saying the saying that when the Spanish singer is because he has given little ass or missing, but really to evil of all or many, consolation of fools, we can not console us day in and day out, or attacked, but we must raise voices, although one, said ad nauseam!, is neither leased nor Cipotecado, I always cry a logical, fair and honest.
Again I stress the post 131 and I say, as a coñ.o Bank has given such credit, starting this to be true, no doubt, because if you do not have been 362Mil Eurazos, have been among 150Mil and 300Mil Eurazos the average loan granted, including the vagaries of the moment and other gustazos with unstable incomes, does not seem normal, I never felt it was normal and we have always yelled at such nonsense, but none of those here I am absolutely certain he has done for rejoicing but for indignation and to know that this does not hold in any way.
The World Bank is moving threads that I know and I think that many know, the overhang of individuals and societies should have a background that we need to clarify, it is not logical, I do not think we've all become overnight subnormal deep in the morning, there is something!, something that really friends Forero is what I am asking for some time and now I see I draw conclusions, which I have always taken it very clear is the second half and as much vaunted criticized, but that's water under the bridge and now we are all drinking, some more than others.
Forero here on the other side, where the Cipotequil I have to say that in all this time I have not seen so much nonsense in them as the post 131, which really pleased me by that party, removing one or two, that one day came out spitting venom and I do not mean Cupid is today, and we put a chicken broth, today it seems to be going down and I am glad!, as long as the union is strength and all of Spain at this moment needs to be united , Really!, So let us among the gay community, because if we do not, then it is when
We will not save the Macarena

+15

# 16, Carsola

July 25, 2008, at 9:54.

Yesterday slope of Moderation ... ... ... ... I do not understand!

-1

# 17, kaki1980

July 25, 2008, at 9:55.

Do you think that we want too fast? spain if it were a road, we would be a mountainous district of 2nd Europe

Is not that 100 per hour are not going to give a big milk ... ..

# 18, DBM

July 25, 2008, at 9:56.

# 30, Maryju

July 24, 2008, at 10:51.

"All these experiences have helped me grow, mature and form a personality and a scale of values."

What you've achieved not provide any bank, nor corrected any plastic surgeon. Many people will exhaust their life without being so perfect (in full, consistent, responsible ...) as TU.

+14

# 19, joer

July 25, 2008, at 10:03.

Genoese IROS to ... .. discursito neck polo NOOOOOOOO

That would echo the PP, jajajaja better not think about it, alomejor had invented an attack so that people do not talk about the crisi, ahh that does not work, I get ASCO EL PSOE, but there is no alternative at least pp noooooo

-11

# 20, manu

July 25, 2008, at 10:05.

You do not burn "joer" reasonable least 5 here, all the others are a bunch of fachillas and PPER, not if they do, they send messages directly from Genoa, just do not give problems and solutions, we like pp

-9

# 21, End of the world

July 25, 2008, at 10:06.

# 4 Iceman

Clearly, q is an excuse for bad government pays rioja. In France for example, at times, fuels have come to be cheaper than the previous month by contrast. And here is not to climb over everything. Paar where an observatory OF TRUTH prices and whether intervention is needed?

+11

# 22, Lopez

July 25, 2008, at 10:06.

That most people fac .... No? I thought that this was not a forum for economics? that this is going to get worse on the website of People's Alliance musica

-10

# 23, Euribor up up!

July 25, 2008, at 10:10.

*************************

Good morning to all s,

We're already through Friday ... and we are entering the desired weekend.
I hope that s what we all enjoy to the MAX but very much controlling all costs.
And not bothered by what I say ... that you may be aware that we REALLY IN CRISIS. And this is becoming worse, especially with regard to the strike ... that will come quickly in 2009 to 15% (say it is not lying or deceiving the cliff).
It is more ... I'm going to have a conversation I had with my parents several times ... you explain:

My parents were born savers. My father has neither primary education because they worked from the 12-year pastor, then he worked in Germany, then moved to Barcelona and my mother was also a young pastor, then at 20 went to Germany and then to Barcelona)

3 because we are brothers, 25, 24 and 23 years ... and of course, now we go the party and allegedly did not save anything ... (that according to my parents, who save everything)

Well, my parents always have been telling us what to "buy an apartment that costs 20 today what tomorrow is 30", then "you can not afford it," not ahorráis nothing!

And I always tell them what I have always maintained ... that since the introduction of the euro we have timado as fools.

An example: my parents bought the land where the house was made (eye! Made my father with the help of a palette) will cost three million pesetas ... when his monthly salary was about 40 billion pesetas (they said).

In this suepuesto, if we calculate the RATIO LAND PRICE / SALARY, gives us a ratio of 75.

Because if it is now a ground just as yours is worth 20 million (ie, 120,000 euros ... and pulling the price very very low) with a salary of 1,300 euros per month ...

Very good. Well today, the RATIO LAND PRICE / SALARY, gives us a ratio of 92.

So the question is: According to my parents, they found it very much to have what they have ... and SAVING what is not written (yet to have left Spain, or a trip or nothing at all ...) but SU RATIO Is smaller than the NUESTROOOO!

For us today it costs 13% more effort than them! And on top with prices of gasoline, food, housing, electricity, taxes ... much more expensive!

CONCLUSION: If my parents (and all of his generation ... of the 50s) sudaron drop fat to take what they have ... WHAT WE HAVE TO DO WE? Live as a hermit?

What you think? Because I see it very clear ... we, the generation of the'80s, we live it costs 30% more than those of the generation of 50.

I got very clear ... we are going backwards, as the crabs.

Greetings and mourn.

+40

# 24, End of the world

July 25, 2008, at 10:12.

Lopez # 22

Good with the q is falling and with Solbes saying yesterday that "hell is like this" keep on saying what I say q and what evidence is a fascist, I think at least i .... A

+17

# 25, Tranchetillo-standing

July 25, 2008, at 10:18.

Until we get to be half stoppage in spain this is not back. Relax, we're going to step in soon we will be there. Once reached that point, we will begin to recover.
Anyway I do not see that this government is doing nothing effective to alleviate this crisis, so we ask for the withdrawal of dignity and cobbler Solbes. Resignation.

# 26, kokito

July 25, 2008, at 10:20.

Good morning, vietnam

# Canyago, I think that you've nailed the date is August 14.

See you later

# 27, Captain

July 25, 2008, at 10:22.

# 25
You ask that of them, then I ask your resignation Tranchete.Dimite!

-10

# 28, Lopez

July 25, 2008, at 10:23.

I have not said it is not, but the others have not proposed more than cut social spending?
Taxes that go to those who earn more, because nobody raised it?
IU but if they are as clear about radical communists, ¿¿Does what I say that the talk of a single IS A FACH

-9

# 29, End of the world

July 25, 2008, at 10:24.

# 20 Manu

Forgive uncle, is that

a) Who has to provide solutions is the Government that this is for the Government. Or is it just q government is to put your face and make up laws that do not care about either his mother a bitch. Maybe to you if. And maybe me, if I have it insured bread, tb. But now me and a lot of people what we imxta q q know is we're going to eat. Not recover any memory, no history. Then when that it be clear, we speak of the rest and then maybe if I care.

b) I am not one of the q q I think I can fix the world by typing in a forum. If you? Well, wake up. And in any case if you think begins to write your solutions. Perhaps the Government notes

# 30, Zoo Station

July 25, 2008, at 10:26.

To "# 7, Iceman,"

Thanks Iceman, and totally agree with you on the credibility of all media.

My intention is to contrast podernos several ways to make a general idea. I really give it much importance to your comments, so my quest to make several points of view.

(For all) And please, not politicians the forum.

# 31 , Fin del mundo

25 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:28.

A mi cobrar mas a quien mas tiene me parece como idea, perfecta. Es lógico y dudo mucho q nadie lo discuta. El problema es q quien tiene mucha pasta suele tener asesores para hacer la trampa e incluso arriesga aq le pillen xq sabe q el sistema es imperfecto. Ademas dudo mucho q eso sea solución para los 3.000.000 de parados. Q haces con eso??? Darles de comer en el paro 1 mes mas???

# 32 , Lopez

25 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:29.

No pero tampoco es normal meterse en un foro a meterse con un solo partido, cuando esto viene de muyyy atras, esto viene del boom inmobiliario que sobretodo se dio en la epoca del BIGOTES y que solbes y compañia son unos gili….. ya lo sabiamos, pero que los prefiero a los otros tb, no quiero recortes sociales, Ademas hay mas partidos por ejemplo

-8

# 33 , kaki1980

25 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:29.

#13, kaki1980

25 de Julio de 2008, a las 9:50.

DIGANLE A SOLVES :

PERDON “SOLBES”

-1

# 34 , Fin del mundo

25 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:31.

Me parece mucho mas razonable dar ventajas fiscales a empresas que inviertan, dar ayudas a quien quiera montar empresas, controlar bien q lo q haya que pagar por impuestos se pague y no se escape NADIE y fomentar el I+D+i en determinados puntos en los q somos buenos y son muy necesarios en todo el mundo (desalacion, energia eolica, automovil, agricultura,……). Formentar la instalacion de empresas de TI, etc… Eso son medidas. LO otro es pan para hoy y hambre para dentro de 3 horas.

+19

# 35 , Tranchetillo-parado

25 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:36.

#Capitan
De la misma manera que estos impresentables no van a dimitir porque estar enganchados a la teta,( les es muy rentable a nivel personal ), cuando no quieras leerme no lo hagas, eres muy libre de hacerlo o no.
Yo tampoco me voy del foro, porque aqui hay democracia y libertad de expresión, o no? o resulta que tu eres de los que vas de liberal y progre por votarle a los socialistas y eres de los que piensan al contrario.

# 36 , axa

25 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:37.

solbes es con b de burro

# 37 , Capitan

25 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:40.

#tranchete
voy y soy liberal. Tú pide la dimisión de ellos si quieres, que yo pido la tuya. Eso es ser liberal no? Lo que pasa es que es muy facil decir que todo va mal y echarle la culpa al otro. Que parece que hayamos estado todos fuera de España unos años y de repente a la vuelta nos lo hemos encontrado…Un poquito de por favor.

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# 38 , Elio

25 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:41.

Si nuestro queridisimo Ministro de Economia dice que para superar la crisis no hay que hacer nada, y que todo se arreglará por si sólo, ¿QUÉ CARAJO HAN HECHO EN ESTOS ULTIMOS 4 AÑOS CUANDO TODO IVA BIEN?

+13

# 39 , Melbian

25 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:42.

#23, Euribor up up !!!

A veces cuentas cosas interesantes!! así que voto porque en vez de 20 comentarios diarios spam, envíes los que quieras de este estilo…

A raiz de lo que cuentas, no es ningún secreto que antes los terrenos y pisos estaban más bajos, explicado por el aumento del periodo de financiación por los bancos, la incorporación de la mujer al mercado laboral, la disminución de tipos de interés y el aumento del componente especulador en ellos,…

Para mí, nos hemos comido una parte de nuestro consumo futuro, es muy grave, pero tampoco hay que exagerar en el sentido que no creo que haga falta vivir como ermitaños, simplemente tener en cuenta que:

Ingresos - Gastos > 0

# 40 , sirialuna

25 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:45.

yo hay cosas que no entiendo…. la contrucción se ha ido altraste eso ya lo sabememos, pero mientra slas empresas grandes se marchaban porque no tenían beneficios ¿donde estaban para impedirlo? les daba igual no??? porque teniamos el negociazo del tocho ahora que se acabo el negocio es cuando nos dicen que tenemos que inevrtir en I+D.

me hace gracia cuando veo una empresa que cierra y salen lo tipicos paletos… es que el cabron del jefe nos ha dejado sin trabajo , es que la mierda esta de empresa nos ha estado explotando.

1- no se pone una empresa de 500 o 1000 trabajadores para perder dinero , si la monta es para sacar beneficios.

2- en vez de pensar es que el tio viene todos los dias con un ferrari a trabajar (señal de que la empresa va bien y te estas asegurando tu puesto de trabajo).

3. y luego estan los que abusan en este tipo de empresas de las bajas, los días del convenio etc solo digo los que abusan hay de todo.

pero lo que mas me rebienta es que el gobierno en vez de incentivar estas empresas para que se queden o vengan más , las estruja a impuestosy las asfixias hasta no poder mas. que sale más caro tener 1000 parados o bajar la presion fiscal para estas empresas y que haya 1000 trabajadores cotizando a las arcas públicas.

pero bueno yo me cojía una empresa grande y le decía si te vienes a mi país suelo industrial de alquiler a la mitad de precio los 5 priemros años, y rebajas fiscales sustanciales , ya veras como se lo pensaban…
si se quiere se puede.

pero para estar en el sofa del parlamento y pasar el rato y poner la mano para cobrar lo sabemos hacer todos.

# 41 , Elio

25 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:46.

Perdón, “iba” con B de BURRO.

# 42 , MIKEL77

25 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:49.

Maryju has dado con el corazón y las palabras adecuadas, los que solo piensan económicamente realmente no conocen realmente la fortuna de lo que es la felicidad.

# 43 , Elio

25 de Julio de 2008, a las 11:00.

Vamos a ver, Aznar creó mucho empleo con la construccion, creó muchisima riqueza para el pueblo en su legislatura y confianza en nuestro país. Levantó una España hundida, “tambien lo hizo Gonzalez al principio”. Lo que no puede ser es que este Zapatero no creara ninguna otra opcion de crecimiento y riqueza como hizo Aznar en su tiempo. En mi opinion, el zapatero este solo vale para engañarnos, ya veremos donde acaba esto. No creo que aguante 4 años.

# 44 , WTF

25 de Julio de 2008, a las 11:01.

#11, curioso

Jajaja! Adivina quien es de esta maravillosa ciudad!

-4

# 45 , nimileurista

25 de Julio de 2008, a las 11:05.

Maryju
Yo tambien me acuerdo de esa epoca de crisis, aunque yo no entendia de crisis, pero cuando mi padre se quedo parado, ( unico sueldo en mi casa ), estuvimos una temporada larrrggggaaaaaa ,
comiendo patatas fritas con pollo, ana vez sobre 3 dias solo patatas,
asi con 14 añitos a trabajar.

# 46 , Sephyrot

25 de Julio de 2008, a las 11:14.

#40, sirialuna
“pero bueno yo me cojía una empresa grande y le decía si te vienes a mi país suelo industrial de alquiler a la mitad de precio los 5 priemros años, y rebajas fiscales sustanciales , ya veras como se lo pensaban…”

Hola,

Ya lo hacen. Suelo gratis o alquiler mínimo. Un ejemplo es el aeropuerto, SEAT o NISSAN.
Lo malo es que se alquilan suelos a precios mínimos para los amiguetes como es el caso de las instalaciones deportivas en los municipios de Catalunya. Rafael Niubó, el secretari general d’esports suele usar esta táctica para afianzar cada día más sus empresas deportivas en las instalaciones públicas de cada municipio.

El enlace está en catalán, sorry:

http://webs.racocatala.cat/escamotscatalans/noticies/noticia_ampliada24.htm

Saludos.

# 47 , Relojero

25 de Julio de 2008, a las 11:15.

Cómo es posible que supuestamente nuestro PIB siga creciendo (1.5 % segun solbes) y el año que viene también está previsto que sigamos creciendo (es decir siendo más ricos que hasta ahora) y cada día hay miles de parados más ¿alguien lo sabe?

+10

# 48 , Anónimo

25 de Julio de 2008, a las 11:17.

#46, Sephyrot
Como “alguien” siga el enlace te va a caeer la del pulpo por leer según que cosas. Salut

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# 49 , Antoniet

25 de Julio de 2008, a las 11:20.

Mil gracias por tus palabras, me han dado mucho ánimo. Cuanto tenemos que aprender de personas como tú.
Te deseo lo mejor.

Mil gracias

# 50 , marianico1

25 de Julio de 2008, a las 11:25.

a todo esto: y los sindicatos donde estan???????
en el fondo del mar,como digas algo te quedas sin cobrar, matarile rile rile ,en el fondo del mar matarile rile ron chiiiiiipoooon

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