Is he saw yesterday?

Reviewing the same old news blog, I have come across this interesting article does nothing less than 2 years, when everything was still watching from rosy.

So I auto (though possibly in its day was a cortaypega), which is one of the most pedantic things you can do in this life.

Alarms before the exhaustion of the credit system and the rise in rates

  • The mortgage market has been able to reach its ceiling.
  • In an environment of rate increases, lengthening the repayment period of mortgages is useless.
  • The banks have to gamble less.

Banks and savings banks have made their jump alarms before the unstoppable advance of the housing market and excessive borrowing by Spanish families.

The news came from a speech by the president of the Spanish Mortgage Association, that this is supposed to know something, and the truth is that it could not be more appropriate. Too bad no one will make the event.

By then, the blog had only one comment was this:

# 1 a. ABBEY

June 29, 2006, at 13:26.

"The mortgage market has been able to reach its ceiling."

What does this conclusion?
- What do the banks not lend more money because of the obvious risk? (does not trust the bank)
- What the banks do not leave them in the capital market for mortgage money?
(who does not trust the bank lends)
- What individuals consider taking out a mortgage is no longer attractive? (does not trust the buyer).

In my case, I do not fiaría in any of the 3 cases.
A. Abbeys

We see that neither had to be the president of the AHE to be aware of the problem.

So if it was to be expected. Why nobody did anything?

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# 1, Mileurizado

July 22, 2008, at 8:20.

Well, yes.
It was noticeable summer vacation.

The mortgage market has reached its ceiling, but below that ceiling is still seeking and granting mortgages.
It should be borne in mind that the current economic climate, the Euribor tends to stabilize at around 5.25%.
I would like to be stable at around 5% or even below.
Not so long ago the Euribor was 0.4 or 0.5% higher than the price of money that mark the ECB.

Any time spent was better?

Kisses and hugs to them for them. Without acrimony.

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# 2, passed through here

July 22, 2008, at 8:42.

Do you really knew?. Rather, it is sensed, commented, was thought as a possibility but there are performances by real estate, for example, followed him all his income by investing in more and more houses and banks have continued to refuse mortgages until the day before yesterday

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# 3, One More

July 22, 2008, at 8:45.

1 .- Rise in Gasoline
2 .- Rise in Food
3 .- Presentation of you and regularization of employment in Real Estate
4 .- Real estate into bankruptcy
5 .- builders into bankruptcy
6 .- The bar's giving you eat and drink to workers in the construction and real estate, what to put on sale.
7 .- The neighborhood where they had lived these workers a shop desavio, to become the all to a hundred.
8 .- The kiosk in the neighborhood that sold the press, and does not sell anything.
9 .- Now in August are the weekends in the family van to the beach with the tortilla and snacks, because it leaves more cheap to go in his car.
10 .- The shop of the furniture and kitchen sees that the real estate and construction company that still exist do not sell their flats, and they do not sell their furniture and their kitchens (and have to lay off their workers).
11 .- Mama has been unemployed and only pope enters home Euro 1300 and have two children, a mortgage of $ 500 per month, a car to keep. And they realize that with 800 euros does not arrive and have to make bobbin lace.
12 .- Their grandparents try to help, but with a pension of 850 euros does not give them either for themselves.
13 .- ... ... ... ...
14 .- ... ....

But luckily have a captain on his boat called Spain, which is a gulf, transfullero, p. son, goat., Liar, you will save.
Because the only thing we have learned that their boat is the only bridge that is what it's like the captain.

Lynx by sheep.
11 .- El in

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# 4 repopulate

July 22, 2008, at 8:45.

Good morning to all, I left to pay 119,000 euros in 22 Anita, and apparently seen JESUSITO JESUSITO me to stay as I am to see if it touches the roof already, and all we will try to overcome all this, and not the politicians only those who expect nothing warms their chairs and our pockets
HEALTH AND STRENGTH TO ALL !!!!!!!!!!!

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# 5, eltonto

July 22, 2008, at 9:14.

The daily El Pais published: "Argentina Marsans and arranged the transfer of Aerolineas Argentinas to the state."
Question: Why the newspaper has not been horrified at the state-ownership of a privatized company?
Answer: Because Marsans left a debt of $ 900 million and failed to pay wages.

Looks come ... the states will take charge of what gives losses. Already do in the U.S., and we are suggesting in Spain.

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# 6, path to Zen

July 22, 2008, at 9:18.

Totally agree with the comment # 4
Do not expect anything from politicians, things change the people ... with his wit, with his desire to get ahead, but politicians? They act to bull past. Good morning, everyone.

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# 7, condonacion_jeje

July 22, 2008, at 9:20.

the last of ZP:
we will celebrate the 100 days of government ... is like the red numbers and unemployment and runaway inflation ... jajajajaja will limit the nerve and the shamelessness of this guy ?¿???? ?? XDDDD

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# 8, los_ube

July 22, 2008, at 9:22.

# 6, eltonto

Because where I come to work, beside that there is a company almost in suspension of payments.
Or all Christians or all Moors.

The state can not do that. In my opinion!

Worse, now that the government is in the red. I am not strange.

As to whether the government can do something to salvage the crisis, as the PP. Well, I would say the PP, which extend view, it makes the European Union, calling the EU measures, which are for something. Spain can only wait until the storm passes.

It is time to save and stand still. Life is very long and everything back to normal. A Hang has been said.

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# 9, marathoner

July 22, 2008, at 9:24.

To comment today Clopez
Nothing was done because the government (the color it is, because all administrations have been involved, especially local ones) has been the greatest speculator in this whole story. Promote the containment and avoid the excessive indebtedness of families posed for them a brutal reduction of injections of money that have served to finance their machines. A shame.
And then, the most serious is that not only are wrong in mitigation measures for this crisis because they are not taking action. Hide behind a column so that no one will see, the problem is that they have gained so much that you can see everywhere.
Now more than ever workers and entrepreneurs have to be united and common front. We are in the same pit and if it does not help us we are not going to leave, because these people with their divide and rule us are going to sink further into misery.

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# 10, CRC

July 22, 2008, at 9:36.

've Made the decision not to pay more taxes until the government proves to me to manage it, I refuse to give my money to be wasteful to give an vidorra my expense.

When I think of the number of people who can not get to the end of the month for the fiscal pressure is endured, and then I read in the newspaper talking about billions of euros spent on anything, I get sick.

The solution is not more money in politics soliciales, but a good management of available resources, for example, be 17 administrations to manage the public health is totally ineffective and unfair to citizens and workers, not all people enjoy the same assistance, and not all of those workers have the same benefits, apart from increasing the management and administration costs, those for infrastructure, storage, the research and development (of which serves to Andalucia and Valencia invest in developing them therapies because there is an administration that coordinates them, is completely ineffective)

Every day I am more disenchanted with politicians in Spain, I have already enrolled at a school for German, I think emigrare soon.

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# 11, Jony

July 22, 2008, at 9:38.

Now more than ever workers and entrepreneurs have to be united and common front.

The solidarity does not exist, we are our own destruction, has consistently been an save it, and if it falls nearby, but I still stand nothing happens then join at the beginning of the struggle we are given good, but if you get me away mio and to continue the rest.

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# 12, Fran Diaz

July 22, 2008, at 9:40.

Are being more things to come ....
The next fall: M begins and ends for SA

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# 13, Mandy

July 22, 2008, at 9:40.

The government will enter into an arrangement with creditors. I like what I am when everything is very cheap. Total, seen Apparently, I am sure that a good president for government.

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# 14, kaki1980

July 22, 2008, at 9:40.

A Forero spoke yesterday about the plight of certain savings, gave a name "box Madrid", coincidentally or not, the collapse of Martins-Fadesa has left a picture that accurately reflects the situation of financial institutions in the market for property developers. Savings banks are ransacked with 59% of the financial debt of the company chaired by Fernando Martin. Spanish banks take 23% of liabilities, and foreign banks, the remaining 18%. It is true that if we analyze the details, it is found that among the first 10 boxes of creditor Martins joined the 53% of the debt, ie 2766 million. Thus, the boxes are more involved Caja Madrid, La Caixa, Caixa Catalunya, Caixa Galicia, Caja Mediterranean; Bancaja and Banco de Valencia; Caixanova and Banco Gallego; Caja Castilla-La Mancha, Unicaja and Ibercaja. The rating agency Fitch highlights of the exhibition Caja Madrid to the sectors of construction and real estate accounts for 23% of total loans granted by the entity.
Also, according to Fitch, the rate of delinquencies of Caja Madrid will reach the 3% when you include the 900 million euros which still owes the estate Martins Fadesa, which has submitted the composition-former receiverships.
According to the latest available data from the Bank of Spain, the rate of delinquencies of the box is at 1.89%, but Fitch believes it has reached 2.16% in June.

Vale here we have the data (copy-paste of several articles) but ... I arises when the outrage in times of crisis, we all see reel to a greater or lesser extent our economy from home, or that of our sons or uncles, or friends, or our company or our co-worker, the most of the forum older recall that our pension system more than once have been questioning his solvency ....

Well, we have seen the movie Popyns Mary, and as she appeared in a few bankers, loan sharks, unscrupulous who wanted to steal the small child I had a penny for food for the pigeons. I will not forget this Banker white beard, and with data like this I still think they are all about desalmados unscrupulous.

NOTE: The crisis of the brick and its affected are raising their voices asking for help. On this occasion are the associations of banks and savings banks that claim to the Spanish Government on measures to ensure liquidity in the financial sector.
They propose to use the State Reserve Fund for Pensions to address the crisis, a fund that was created to guarantee the pensions of Spanish workers. So what explains today's edition of the newspaper El Mundo.
That way the banks would gain access to funding that are restricting them from the international market, which manifests itself with suspicious-dependent countries in excess of the real estate sector.

NOW THIS IS ALL FOR THE PASTA !!!!!!

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# 15, deshojandolamargarita

July 22, 2008, at 9:41.

Well gentlemen, "is over" what was, we have "Tima" there is no hard to peseta. Any action has its consequences and ours are, there are low rates feast, high rates are just and we do not know what to do. Therefore touches depression or innovate, that is to do the same or better with less money, there is nothing ... those who succeed will be those who survive. So Curran .... Because what are the politicians do not have helped us or help us more than we do ...

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# 16, Mandy

July 22, 2008, at 9:43.

# 13, Fran Diaz
Do not kid you all of these:
Colonial, Chamartin, Metrovacesa, NOZAR, Rayet, Realia, Restaura, REYAL Urbis, Vallehermoso, Rent Corporation, and Hercesa Parquesol, in addition to Martins-Fadesa

Just be Realia, and Restores Hercesa.
It's just cuestióin of time. What is worrying is that people will stay on the streets in an indirect way. That we welcome all this fall.

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# 17, Mano H20

July 22, 2008, at 9:46.

Hello everybody.

That stuff! Today I have not seen a lot of economic news that caught my attention. Perhaps for this reason that we already have deficits instead of surpluses. But I think it was something I could see this coming so clear, that we had not caught by surprise.

We can stick hours, days, ... .. discussing a theoretical level of economic issues. But it is clear that someone is who has to implement "their" ideas. That is determined by winning an election. That gives you LEGITIMACY to implement the way you have of seeing things. And that is indisputable in a democratic society.

That gives you the right to even wrong.

Of course others have the right to criticize and forcefully, with a warning that we are not going in the right direction .... But in the end, they have every right to do what they think fit.

I, of course, criticize the economic policy that is done. I think it's wrong. I think that leads to a situation more serious than what we have in other European countries.

Solbes no longer led to ruin years ago. I can not surprising to do so again, because it expresses the ideas that are identical to those held then. They were wrong and remain so now. But it is my particular opinion and not discuss it at its absolute right to do so.

But now you see: held by the heights that in a hundred days have been polishing the whole wheat bread basket. Too bad that none of them happen to sowing another crop that we have.

Well I do not wound. Today has left me somewhat melancholy news that I have read that the "mouse", this peripheral has been adapted to our hand for so many years, has counted the hours. Jo, as they miss less!.

http://www.elconfidencial.com/tecnologia/

Salu2

PS: I think yesterday I dismissals and not to any questions answered. Feel. The day was rolling.

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# 18, Euribor up up!

July 22, 2008, at 9:54.

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Compañerosdefatigas Good morning!

What I am going to count that ... if not you may know is that this is going to Guatemala to Guatepeor and no one says or does anything.

The data and contrasting facts are there for those who want to analyze.

You only have to say that you can save, because they are not saved or the Macarena.

I just want to ask Carlos Lopez, the chairman of this forum, a little ...

That, if possible, figure the price of oil works the other way around ... that would put color RED when the value goes up and down when color GREEN. It would be appreciated in view verdecito low when the price of something that does not come from ... but dislikes! O no kids ...

Ahorréis only tell you that everything that you can, not wasted or compréis caprichitos. We must understand that we are in crisis ... and we must internalize in order to survive.

It is my opinion. Anyone wishing to take the advice of SAVING best for him. Greetings.

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# 19, Mandy

July 22, 2008, at 9:54.

# 15, kaki1980
It would be the height of impudence, 'remove' pensions to the elderly to give to the brick. I know that it is not, that is what will the banks to invest in fixed income, risk-free, obtaining more profitable now and blah, blah, blah, but banks are afraid to give.
I do not think it necessary. The big pension fund to give pensions to pay half a year. (58,000 M € is the pension fund, and 98,000 M € is what cost pensions annually). The government is not going to let the deficit exceeds 3%, and get hands fixed.

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# 20, Tranchetillo-standing

July 22, 2008, at 9:55.

We should not rejoice that "falling out" any company, regardless of whether its management is good or bad because that affects us is going to todos.Asi us, the ideal would be that all were well. However it is clear that the crisis is global but practically I sincerely believe we should bring forward the elections and to change the game to see if they do something to save the situation because these do deliver clear, both to give, both to give all foreigners when they have children, 400 euros of which were not, neither have been seen at the end deficit in the accounts of the state, and this clown celebrating 100 days of government. Sorry, have nothing to celebrate.

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# 21, SOLBES

July 22, 2008, at 9:57.

# 14, kaki1980

July 22, 2008, at 9:40.

NOTE: The crisis of the brick and its affected are raising their voices asking for help. On this occasion are the associations of banks and savings banks that claim to the Spanish Government on measures to ensure liquidity in the financial sector.
They propose to use the State Reserve Fund for Pensions to address the crisis, a fund that was created to guarantee the pensions of Spanish workers. So what explains today's edition of the newspaper El Mundo.
That way the banks would gain access to funding that are restricting them from the international market, which manifests itself with suspicious-dependent countries in excess of the real estate sector.

NOW THIS IS ALL FOR THE PASTA !!!!!!

WHERE ARE those who voted in ZP; THIS PLAY POKER WITH OUR MONEY AND FUTURE, OUR PENSIONS FOR THE BANKS, AND OUR WORK FOR BLACK AND SUDACAS

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# 22, Mandy

July 22, 2008, at 9:57.

# 17, Mano H20

Solbes did not so bad in the crisis of 93. Measures were taken and 96 the situation improved. They let him do it Gonzalez.
Buenismo with Zapatero and we lost the first Solbes.
I hope we do not do anything this government in economic matters, because everything you do will be for cagarla.

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# 23, KAKI1980

July 22, 2008, at 10:03.

# 21, SOLBES

I have not said that pensions for banks, and even less I agree with your position xenophobic, but this is only a statement of the associations of banks and boxes at the World newspaper, also the world is not ambiguous on the sources said that partnerships, and I am surprised that no mention FUNC but I still indignant.

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# 24, condonacion_jeje

July 22, 2008, at 10:12.

# 21, SOLBES

WHERE ARE those who voted in ZP; THIS PLAY POKER WITH OUR MONEY AND FUTURE, OUR PENSIONS FOR THE BANKS, AND OUR WORK FOR BLACK AND SUDACAS

Voters ZP star around here because ... insurance q most thinking and repent of their vote and therefore not q unable to say anything is pq q long ago that there was no where to get it .. SURREALISM itself is ESO .. XDDD

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# 25, Euribor up up!

July 22, 2008, at 10:12.

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"You do not know if you do lsa same questions but ... to see if someone can give me answers to the following:

- With a bunch of analysts who have the banks ... how do you have left enmarronar in the debt of real estate and construction firms?

- If you had surplus 6 months ... how is it we're already in deficit?

- If there was no where to draw ... why would you give 400 euros to the whole world? Let's be honest, the rich do not need (Rafa Nadal, Fernando Alonso ...)

- If you sold the land to the construction ... now we are going to buy back? What do we play?

What do you think?

Greetings and thank you!

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# 26, inmopiso

July 22, 2008, at 10:15.

come you guys going to go on vacation amragaillos pussy
We raised him and that the oil appears to flight of the 130 bucks does not pass, the king is already in mallorca holiday and all so happy.
the return to school will be complicadilla but it is less to begin to recover.

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# 27, Euribor up up!

July 22, 2008, at 10:15.

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Ahhhh! And as the great economist ... Isaac Newton:

"EVERYTHING THAT RAISES LOW ..."

Well, the guy did not make a mistake ... and see that years ago it said.

What a champ!

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# 28, condonacion_jeje

July 22, 2008, at 10:16.

# 25, Euribor up up!

very easy .. vote-buying with our taxes this leaving very dearly ... (checks, 400 and ...)

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# 29, fyahball

July 22, 2008, at 10:18.

juas juas how many post machete in hand against ZP and degüello jejeje
Tb will have done something wrong the other not? hahaha! reflect advances come ... ...
Someone into debt a bit more of the account? JIJI
Someone to underestimate the Euribor?
Someone was believed rich?

I see pain, a lot of pain ...

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# 30, Mano H20

July 22, 2008, at 10:19.

# 22, Mandy

Hi Mandy.

For me, Solbes did poorly finished and then do it again topped evil.

I am a bet: How much will it follows from what is spoken is that the problems begin with the accounts for Social Security?

Salu2

Thinks it's the only barn that still have wheat. And they love to these freshly made bread.

Pensioners can begin to tremble.

A clue. Already published in a form that is beginning to lose membership in the SS Communication policy of the things are unchanged. Then the system will stop falling only holds up .... then it will have to make adjustments ....
But that's if everything seasoned and well coated with strong gestures of the president that he will comply with all commitments, that his priority is retired, he is close to the workers.

"Garantizaré, I will be strong, we will do ...." Pussy. "Less words and more to do"

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# 31, A skinny dog ...

July 22, 2008, at 10:19.

# 3, One More
Why are you, is my same situation. Now the college in September Book, I have a child aged 9 and the books cost me € 500, to be speculating with education. It's a shame.

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# 32, crazy burbujil

July 22, 2008, at 10:21.

# 16, Mandy

Sorry to disagree, but also Parquesol survive ... And if not the time.

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# 33, condonacion_jeje

July 22, 2008, at 10:23.

# 29, fyahball

July 22, 2008, at 10:18.

juas juas how many post machete in hand against ZP and degüello jejeje
Tb will have done something wrong the other not? hahaha! reflect advances come ... ...
Someone into debt a bit more of the account? JIJI
Someone to underestimate the Euribor?
Someone was believed rich?

I see pain, a lot of pain ...

let's see ... that will do all that with q that ZP buy votes, wants to help prosecute the real estate without the pasta in tax havens or who want to celebrate it is not known q taking the hair all over Spain ...

I see q t like going to deguello jeje

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# 34, just missing

July 22, 2008, at 10:25.

24, condonacion_jeje
I voted for ZP and I do not regret what are the plans Rajoy star?

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# 35, Kanayo

July 22, 2008, at 10:27.

# 34

In principle does not deny the crisis

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# 36, Kanayo

July 22, 2008, at 10:29.

# 35, Kanayo
Ah well, I stay quiet. "There are crisis" then there is no crisis is this what you mean?

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# 37, JAIME

July 22, 2008, at 10:30.

just missing, you n indignant that this is a forum where there are almost muuuuchos other right-wing and right-wing few left, I did not vote in ZP and if I regret having echo, but the child RAJOY and his friends (those that if not be voting in life) have been many years since I do not have helped me in anything. They helped if the real estate

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# 38, condonacion_jeje

July 22, 2008, at 10:30.

# 34, just missing
24, condonacion_jeje
I voted for ZP and I do not regret what are the plans Rajoy star?

and A t t regret it when they stay out of work (q thing not clear desire t) jeje and let's see .. Kien governs? and then this .. ZP is a need to Kien q ask explanations ... if your defense is asking for ZP q q do not govern .. pos with forgiveness .. m river in your face macho jajajaajajaj

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# 39, JAIME

July 22, 2008, at 10:32.

I do not agree on how to have been distributed to 400 or 2500, k is the worst they had given others who have more than 4 children (quiqos) and its related industries. Or would have lowered taxes on the most is that I always had the right

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# 40, Mandy

July 22, 2008, at 10:32.

# 32, crazy burbujil
Parquesol meets all the requirements to suspension of payments:
- The majority of its business is residential promotion
- They are going to try to go out on the stock market in time for batacazos
- Purchased in 2006 (deduda generated)
- Lábaro is cannon fodder
- Outstanding Great opreación bad time for Chamartín

For a long heritage that has let San Jose, I feel that I do not ....

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# 41, just missing

July 22, 2008, at 10:33.

If that is not aprendeis. That the problem is not the government, neither this nor the other, nor that of the bike: that the problem is the neoliberismo with Red, crybaby and brazen that when everything is fodder for him and when we put them all in there to save them the trouble ass.
But you still making the game: the crisis is the fault of ZP and the savior will come right and everything will be fine again. Dreamers
Incidentally, I prefer a law in favor of the members that a law that cheaper dismissal, look for where your

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# 42, condonacion_jeje

July 22, 2008, at 10:33.

JOEL:

q t notice I am not a rightist nor of any side if the q pp govern and had this picture of surrealism and impudence assure q t change the word by ZP RAJOY well qt not fuck the ask q forum with simplicity graciass!

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# 43, JAIME

July 22, 2008, at 10:34.

Certainly the buyer votes FUE pp VILLAJOYOSA jajaja but that's not to mintings but with fresh dinerito (CHANGE OF COURSE NI NI PP PSOE)

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# 44, Mandy

July 22, 2008, at 10:35.

Ibex -3%, telephone and Iberdrola sink to Ibex.
Soon appear Guru.

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# 45, JAIME

July 22, 2008, at 10:35.

remission

Look what you mean, this is not 4 or 8 years comes back, everyone had to see, but only speak of the past, and if I get jodo of ... well ... I do not fuck with lies

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# 46, JAIME

July 22, 2008, at 10:36.

because there is nobody who is right? all say the same thing and that's why I do not think so, you are not right, because some of your speeches are right and some of EXTREME

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# 47, just missing

July 22, 2008, at 10:37.

38 Remission
No child is not. What I am saying is that in this mess we have gotten us for fools (the Spaniards say, the less you, Carsola, the arsonist and the colt that you are extremely clever and parecéis Swedish instead of Spanish), we have got the banks and boxes, real estate and the concept of Neocon; first to be lining the company and already spread and
Tu sigue creyéndote aquello de que Rato, el PP y la madre del amor hermoso son lo que te va a salvar. Sigue buscando la crítica facilona de señora que sale en los telediarios de Telemadrid (ZP tiene la curpita de tó) y verás que bien te va en la vida

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# 48 , cartillas

22 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:38.

Pero es que sólo se dice que se han dado 400 euros y 2.500, pero no se habla que en estos años se ha bajado el tipo impositivo del impuesto de Sociedades y los tipos máximos del IRPF, que se recauda menos de IVA (menos ventas de pisos), que hay más gente en paro que cotiza menos, que se ha eliminado o casi el impuesto de donaciones a familiares en muchas comunidades, que se pretende eliminar el impuesto de patrimonio,todo esto reduce la recaudación del Estado.
Pero claro sólo con que saliese a flote todo el dinero negro, habría más que de sobra para volver a tener superávit y pagarles la pensión a todos los viejecitos, los que contribuyeron y los que no.

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# 49 , jdx

22 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:38.

bueno, respeto a la llamada de mi banco (caixa catalunya), para cambiar mi depósito de ahorros. os explico rápidamente.
tengo un depósito mensual, q me da poco,pero me da, a un 3.5.
me ofrecen 2tipos, 1 referenciado al ibex, fijo a 2 años, si sube o baja sin pasar del 17.5% tanto en + o en -, recibo un 20%. si lo sobrepasa, recibo un 10, y si pasa o llega al 25%, solo un 5.
El otro, es acciones en 6 empresas; vodafone,movistar,danone,telefonica,nokia,ing, y si suben en 2 años las 6, un 20%, si suben 5, 10%, si suben 4 un 5%, y si no sube ninguna, un 2%.
En las 2, capitall 100%garantizado, y aparentemente, a noser q el ibex baje/suba un 25%, o solo suban 2 empresas de las 6, pierdo intereses…
que os parece? que les hace falta pasta por un tubo esta claro, porque son fijos a 2 añazos!!!
gracias por vuestras opiniones de antemano!

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# 50 , condonacion_jeje

22 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:40.

#47, solo faltaba

Tu sigue creyéndote aquello de que Rato, el PP y la madre del amor hermoso son lo que te va a salvar. Sigue buscando la crítica facilona de señora que sale en los telediarios de Telemadrid (ZP tiene la curpita de tó) y verás que bien te va en la vida

facilona? jaajajaja digamos q ZP mas facil no nos lo puede poner jajajajajaja

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