Today, tricheretazo.

Much criticize Trichet, while there is even an online platform to stop the feet, but where you see, Trichet is on the one hand engineer Mine (I'm mineeeeero) and another degree in economics and who has all the qualities to go into Deep in the economy and financial engineering. The other day he made an interesting interview in the newspaper "Die Zeit" in which she blunt these phrases:

The central bankers have a big responsibility. If not resolved, there is a risk that inflation exploits but if we act decisively, then we can control the situation
For Europe is typical of the view that it is important to think not only in the short term but the medium and long-term thinking of responsibility to future generations

And ends with the following:

I learned from both sides. From left, the meaning of social solidarity and the right, the importance of efficiency and accountability.

Trichet will meet today with his colleagues on the ECB to see what they do with interest rates, in the past we had doubts about the decisions we take, but for today's meeting, 51 credit institutions contacted by the agency Dow Jones, 50 predicted that the ECB will raise the price of money and only one that will keep it at 4 percent. So the question is: Trichet wear blue striped shirt with vertical white collar and cuffs?

On all these occasions, and many more, Jean-Claude Trichet was presented with a blue shirt and striped vertical white collar and cuffs. It seems, therefore, it is his amulet. The talisman that employs when he has to say or do something important. His favorite outfit for the big moments.

And in the meantime we have to oil it does not help anything to the ailing world economy because today we have $ 145

Yesterday, Minister of Oil of Iran, Gholam Hossain Nozari predicted that this source of energy will remain the "principal" in the coming years. The minister explained that his country, which has 11% of oil worldwide, raised from 4.3 to 5.3 million barrels per day of crude production until 2014, and that in the same period will double its refining capacity .

That some countries are lucky, they have to ministries of oil, but here we do not need because there is no crisis.

José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero made yesterday to test his credibility with the rest of parliamentary groups, and especially to the citizens. The chairman of the Government was left alone in the House of Congress to launch a message of tranquility, defending his diagnosis of the economy and explicitly deny the existence of a crisis. At best it is to apply repeatedly found that speech, off limits to members of the Government, only to the construction sector.

Thank God that construction has a minimal impact on our GDP and that the bank is on alert since late payments could rise in September.

"So far we have seen in delinquencies immigrants and property developers. In September the start of the Spanish and SMEs, which may be an avalanche, "explained sources solvent sector.

Anyway, we complain that service.

UPDATE:

The Governing Council of the European Central Bank (ECB) decided today, as the market expected a 25 basis point increase in the price of money, to 4.25%, in order to curb inflation. After keeping rates for twelve months at the highest level in six years, the ECB will be the first entity that raises money in a context of tensions in the money market, strong oil price hikes and food and slowdown economy.

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# 1, fyahball

July 3, 2008, at 9:14.

Here I leave with you some of estampitas shame! thanks for arranging this brick Spanish landscape with your tochilllos so ugly!

http://www.greenpeace.org/espana/photosvideos/slideshows/destrucci-na-toda-costa?page=8

Trichet, QUÉMALOS TO ALL!

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# 2, holidays

July 3, 2008, at 9:14.

nothing happens, ZP said that we are at a stage of growth weakened, "is, according to him, Trichet, súbemelo another vezzz

# 3, sam

July 3, 2008, at 9:19.

Haber, I was beginning to goats ... I feel good (and that I'm hipotecadííísimo) that the ECB and its president Trichet to decide to fight inflation should be raising the interest rate, but why banks are adding this premium inordinate risk ??!!.

I am not worth what you do not lend themselves because they have no trust among themselves. If there is no confidence, if you do not know who until that point had problems, they have to do is to force the banks to present their accounts either Claritas, which is known Pring who is and who not. Thus cease to play once a hideout, which we are paying the other redie! Saying that it is no longer bear much time and are doing nothing!.

Or if not that the Euribor is by law the kind of intervention + 0.50%. They choose them .... CURSED!

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# 4, fyahball

July 3, 2008, at 9:19.

Indeed some brickwork to be missing in this landscape as natural ...

http://www.greenpeace.org/espana/photosvideos/slideshows/destrucci-na-toda-costa?page=4

Trichet, PÉGALES FIRE TO ALL!

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# 5, R. GROVE

July 3, 2008, at 9:23.

Gentlemen, the script is already written. If necessary, but late and insufficient, a rise of 0.25% minimum will be a relief for an economy with an inflation (5.1) unbecoming of the economic context in which he is, with real rates remain negative, but it could be worse if the the powers retained by the Bank of Spain, would be able to download (we take Mr confessed) because of demagoguery and immediate returns (of course politicians)

# 6, Euribor up up!

July 3, 2008, at 9:23.

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Good morning, everyone s! (and is not an affirmation but a hope ...)

First of all I would like to give you my opinion on # 3, Manuel Pinto Ramos yesterday.

The first thing to thank him for giving their opinions and contribute their experiences. Any amount! Knowing not take up any space and allows us to see things from a different prism.

And in my opinion (if you also let me make it), I feel very well that Mr. Pinto was how we remember our beloved Spain for more than half a century. It is important from a historical point of view, and that we do not forget we avoid falling into the same error. Good for Manu! (not me angry that Manuel is in a good mood tone).

And it is that I do not think they are comparable situations ... to see if I explain ...

I think we were mistaken if they think that what we live today is "Child's Play" and a "chorradilla" compared with what we lived Manuel. Every moment is unique and different, and like Manuel sucked the banana peel to try it, we must adapt to what we are experiencing. This means ... that was just LA FIESTA ... and we must stop using without concern for thinking that we are as rich have made us believe in the upper echelons.

I think that he is going to happen so bad the empufaos (40 to 30 years to win Kilak siguendo mileurista) to stay on the dole as it tried to survive in the era of Manuel. In addition, we must analyze how at that time were 14 children and went forward ... and now we can not have a barely came out ahead because NO.

The experiences and lessons from Mr. Pinto should not fall into the complacency of thinking ... "It's true! we are privileged ... "because each time is different ... and we should not destroy everything that consiguierons fighting our parents, grandparents and great-grandparents.

I am not worth what some parents say (these are mine): "I have not ever gone on vacation (outside Spain)" or "I've never gone disco" or "I never had a computer" ...

That's not true because if we have made progress toward better ... we can not ask future generations to return to go hungry because the richies that move threads want tighten the noose and make more money (even in times of crisis ...).

We must confront is today as it did with two CoJ Manuel ... ... and adapt to new situations struggling to retain all come since the nineteenth century.

This is my opinion. There is that.

And changing the subject ... Yesterday and today have repeated quite the following news:

"An attack left at least four dead and over 40 wounded in Jerusalem. The Israeli authorities called it as a terrorist attack. A Palestinian attacker embistió with a bulldozer overturned several cars and a micro. No organization was awarded the event. "

They say at the news that the man, while moving forward with its huge bulldozer through the streets of Jerusalem were shouting "Allah is great! Allah is great! ".

But I believe that they have not translated well to the Castilian. According to eyewitnesses, the man (palette automatically according to the news) shouted: "NO DOWN THE STORY NEVER! ACCOMMODATIONS NOT DOWN NEVER! ". Jejejejeje!

ZP ordered to amend the news that the news was not that someone follow the example ... (do not put your hand in the fire ...)

And by the way, yesterday ZP continued without describing the current situation of crisis.

... When he was really worthy to call it as such will be muuuuuuuuy afternoon ... and now we mi.er.da up to the neck.

It is the pu ... to reality.

And my prediction of a situation on July 30, 2008 is $ 150 a barrel, the Euribor at 5.60%, rates at 4.25%, unemployment at 10% to 15% real CPI and the CPI-false official to 5 %.

Sorry to be realistic but is that that was how Manuel Pinto overcame their situation ... to tackle the problems ... and not as we are doing ... we're looking to avoid stepping on one side or the mi.er.da.

Again ... good morning to everyone s.
(Sorry to be heavy but insist and try not to consume beyond your capabilities. Just what is strictly necessary.)

Thank you very much and good luck!

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# 7, Panacea

July 3, 2008, at 9:24.

After the cheap money, after thousands of new businesses opened under the impetus of a uero peseta, now touches almost at triple pay. Wanting to control inflation will be due to the closure of many businesses to the dismissal of many people that these people and these businesses have to raise their prices to pay its debts. And when we are all really the knife-edge then the lords of the central bank left its chess and remove the rope for us .... And again ... to start, but I hope that this time the Spaniards we are more ready and let the speculation housing to generate new business to sustain themselves and not by mortgaging many for the benefit of a few.

+22

# 8, Hg

July 3, 2008, at 9:26.

Up top or not, that's the question ....

The truth is that since September it saw it coming, and finally arrives.

In times of crisis governments, despite the tendency of all parties on either left or dchas should launch clearly interventionist measures, tackling the issue of brokers / speculators, protect the industrial sectors of his country, limiting the entry labor, etc. (even some of the very frowned upon) ...

... But they will not, because they do not send, they do not want to goats and then they will employees. That is so, eg the clear "inclito" D. Sigfrido Herráez in Madrid, which step of directing a manager of Urban Construction without even blush.

I do, to buy the apartment "I did a masters degree in economics (including regular visits to this site, especially to find out the multicurrency), but now that people talk about their mortgages (only for three days has given football) I Considering that muuuuchos did what they advise "her friend the bank", were not reported at all ... and as I speak with them, I begin to think that perhaps it is true what some say here that "we have what we deserve ... For sheep. "

But those "sheep", have children (that here in Madrid at the pace of privatization of education, leaving expensive to teach them), have parents who help at the moment but will become a burden (on Espelandia, ie the CAM, the residences are "Rifadas"), etc.

Although mortgaged and with some optimism for 2009, I think we are at a stage in which people (those who become voters every 4 years) must move by our interests through partnerships, events, ... IF you see someone organizes something "As you are agree to move, the chair will be there when you return. VAMOS.

+51

# 9, Deimos

July 3, 2008, at 9:28.

# 1, fyahball
July 3, 2008, at 9:14.

The blame for billets on the coast, is not only the speculators brick, but of Egyptian politicians, who are given with one hand, to give with the other.

And the problem is even greater when there is someone who pays lot of money you pay for having these billets, especially of Andrax.

Demand creates supply, if no one buys bread, pastry would have to do, if nobody buys cars, petrol stations sell tupperwapers.

If no one paid the € 360,000 for a zulo of 60m2 in the center of Madrid, the seller should relax the bid, lowering the price.
When the grandfather of today Heidi paste the patadon to interest rates to 4.5%, (I am satisfied that cipotecado), will begin cold sweats, and nervous glances, but the medium to long term measures will be effective.

The economy is not overheating that is, chirping and misses sparks as a locomotive of old coal. Drivers knife is straining the reserves of water to cool it.

The Euribor has already discounted the rise (remember the Doom's Day 6/6/2008) when the pepinazo was 300 bp
It has been discounted by 0.25% commented that, over 0.25 which is a gift, for which we are in sales.

Today is behind the mystery.

Today we will know the truth.

Today the stock market once again be on the fall layer.

And on top ZP as theirs, with l @ s @ ministers sa its roll, and Solbes calling the move to Brussels, which is more refreshing, because Sebastian has shut down the air conditioning in Congress, to save (but not says head that we do not have CRISIS?, why would you save?)

Billet number one. (I hope it is one & only)

Good Bye Spain, Wellcome Trinchetland

+51

# 10, www.aedru.org

July 3, 2008, at 9:32.

Tranquility, we must trust in Providence, for the moment nothing happens, Zapatero is calm.

-11

# 11, Mano H20

July 3, 2008, at 9:35.

Good morning, everyone, all mononiks, multiniks and / or poliniks.

While the indicators tumble from the top or down, we Zapatero refrota the mood behind and ahead.

Yesterday at the session of Congress used another euphemism that is not whether he was on the list that was made at the forum a few days ago: "A weak growth scenario"

I did not hear a single new action against the crisis, but by what he said, "with everything he can."

What I think of genuine banter remember is the theme of the 400 € and the abolition of the tax Heritage and read quote: "In no European country has adopted a more ambitious plan" but for what or what? For the non-existent crisis? Against the weak growth scenario?

With less income will face increased spending, like it or not want, because the benefits of Social Security and unemployment benefits (increasing) the going to have to continue paying with fewer people contributing and therefore with less income.

On the other hand it seems that if in Europe who are concerned about the situation in Spain since it appeared we assume 12% of European GDP, while the Irish (similar situation to ours) concerned at least in the set, because it only involves 2% of European GDP.

Spanish banking concern because it is expected that in September it's true delinquencies. Sorry that I laugh at this news. And I am surprised that worry the banking is something that we have some better results than those of the neighbor.

What if I really worries me is the news of the terrible situation in which it is GM (General Motors), mainly because here in Zaragoza GM is the largest company of the entire autonomous region. It employs about 8,000 people directly and many thousands more indirectly. It is truly a stone block for the economy of Aragon.
Yesterday he fell down in the U.S. stock market by more than 15% and stood in values of the'50s.
It seems that you have a serious situation of lack of liquidity (about 15,000 dollars) and could go into receivership. Any news.

Well, if that is the backyard interesting, because it seems that the stock market starts with descents.

Salu2 and good luck with the ECB

+54

# 12, sam

July 3, 2008, at 9:35.

oysters! I put "having" (odd that no one has jumped even ...), sorry I was blind anger and has hurt my spelling (and my blood pressure, at least 10 yesterday in the review of the company)

# 13, sirialuna

July 3, 2008, at 9:36.

This is not normal is that 4 years ago my sister comparra a flat on 17 million and it sold by 36 ... that was not normal, nor is it normal to grant a mortgage of 100% of 44 million pesetas to a couple with a job casual and the other with an average salary, who are paying EUR 1400 mortgage .... this is not normal with a 1 differential. (do not give tedrían qe).
These things are not normal.
But even less that the bank will pull the margin that it's up to you ... ... ...
in times of crisis should aver more interventionism by the government ... because instead of creating more market what they do is that the sector is agreed and all prices go up.
by the way I went to chafardear by rebates and is a fraud, deceit with the prices d ago that was worth 50 euros now 50 places above 82 bone that cost you the same thing and to deceive before it is illegal.
and second haytanta not say it would cut as aver .... that if the shops filled up the ball, I went to buy a thing to me and I `failure to pass an hour's tail.

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# 14, Lazaro Carreter

July 3, 2008, at 9:38.

Válgame God, some of the abusers and other periphrasis not use them when they can do it. I just lift after a night of nightmare and I find a "CREDIT" instead of "to do"; SAM, it stays in your "having"
By the way, Panacea it knows of the existence of the commas and not as the usurper who has taken his name that have been eaten. Eat a coma is the height of cannibalism Forero

# 15, sam

July 3, 2008, at 9:41.

# 12 sam
# 14 Lazaro Carreter

I missed my ....

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# 16, Mandy

July 3, 2008, at 9:43.

# 5, R. GROVE

The truth is that Spain will benefit most from the rise in rates today. (Unfortunately for me).
I'm with you R. Grove that if the Bank of Spain drive the price of money in Spain, Zapatero, now we put some types of 2%. And this president is that we do everything that makes you look good. In times of crisis we need structural measures, anti-popular, make 'pupita'. This president is not going to do either now or within 6 months. Makeup, consensus, dialogue and mood. May God caught confessed, within 2 years when the U.S. and Europe are emerging from the crisis ....!

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# 17, Deimos

July 3, 2008, at 9:45.

As note that those with pasta (I do not have it) have some miedito.
Before yesterday, batacazo IBEX more than 2% of lost yesterday to take a little air and throwing up, "that this cheap, and I take them very cool lady," and a bit of rebound (for Timofonica and the Grand Banks)
Today cod (see ECB) has started to smell bad, it's Doom's Day Version 2.0.4,5%, and again to make pasta market.
The batacazo can be memorable, and soil, according to some estimates, is still down (- 10,600 + points,) something like 40% less than in October last year.
We will see far

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# 18, Mandy

July 3, 2008, at 9:46.

# 13, sirialuna

Political anti-interventionism + Left = = Crisis of Public Spending 5-6 years + 15% OFF
Anti-rightist political liberalization = + + lower taxes = comepetencia Crisis 3 - 4 years + social cuts + 10% OFF

You choose.

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# 19, Copero

July 3, 2008, at 9:47.

Good morning everyone:

# 3 Sam

I totally agree with you. A few days ago, commented some of the possible solutions to end the crisis, and the principal, and as I said, which surely would never be this: to improve transparency in the banking sector, the root of all who suffer from this crisis (subprime -contraction of credit-shelter in oil-inflation-rate-rise and increase the Euribor rising delinquencies). Why they are not going to do?. Imagine that X Caixa said it has a lot in their subprime title: panic among its customers - output to tornado and bank closes.

Then, other measures are labor flexibility, osease, dismissal cheaper: there are many businesses that closed for not being able to cope with a series of layoffs. It's always better to leave in unemployment by half of the employees of a company, which leave them all out. What you need to regulate is that companies do not abuse the cheap dismissal, but you know how to walk in our parliamentary level ...

# 5 R. Grove

They also agree. A rise of 0.25% when the EU is setting all the records of inflation in its history is nothing short of a measure to the gallery, but should go up at least half a point, although it would be theirs to a point, but what could happen in the U.S., so it is discarded.

Particularly I do not think that a rise in rates is the solution, but it will be more likely to happen.

Why did not I think is the solution?.

Because unlike what has been happening so far, inflation does not increase by a "joy" in the consumer market like that of 2002-2006, where he called for credit to buy a blender at the crossroads. We had to help France and Germany in their growth with low interest rates, and while in those countries succeeded in its objectives, in countries that grew at a strong step, resulted in a high indebtedness.
At present, inflation is not high by a problem of excess liquidity, but because Aal price of oil, it triggers the price of all commodities, which have a direct impact on the shopping cart. And as we must eat lunch, then pay whatever, and so is inflation.

Sincerely yours.

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# 20, sirialuna

July 3, 2008, at 9:49.

# 17, Deimos

there will be around, which makes pupita and that is not a tombola ... ... ....

# 21, Lazaro Carreter

July 3, 2008, at 9:50.

# 13, sirialuna
It's an epidemic! The Revelation !!!!!!!

Periphrasis verbal call to the union of two (or more) verb forms that function together as a unit. They are normally composed of:
a. an auxiliary verb conjugated (ie, that it is in person).
b. an element of link-preposition, which may appear together or not: I have to go; was going to leave, you must (Ø) work.
c. The verb that provides the fundamental meaning, which is a non-personal (infinitive, gerund and participle).
If I write "to do" before the always go to an auxiliary verb conjugated "we are going to lynch a Trichet" "we're going to write for the love of Jesus Christ Our Lord" "I'm pliers mortgaged my house because I do not know what I am going "
If what I want is to use the verb "have" always write it with h and with ever by trocaré its meaning with the periphrasis previously indicated.
Cópiese in waxed 100 times

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# 22, fyahball

July 3, 2008, at 9:51.

# 13, sirialuna

This is not normal is that 4 years ago my sister comparra a flat on 17 million and it sold by 36 ... that was not normal, nor is it normal to grant a mortgage of 100% of 44 million pesetas to a couple with a job casual and the other with an average salary, who are paying EUR 1400 mortgage .... this is not normal with a 1 differential. (do not give tedrían qe).

What fucking sirialuna is that this has been the norm ...

But even less that the bank will pull the margin that it's up to you ... ... ...

As far as I know usury has nothing to do with the NGOs ...
Banking is such a radical capitalism "and cares about later."
Well, you have to worry bancpiros given advances in prices of your imaginary friends valuers ... wing to wing burn!

in times of crisis should aver more interventionism by the government ...

That, as we lined, more wood, more wood ... When it comes BURN DEM ALL! Dad to help us ... Do not think that is disgusting and typically liberal?

FYAH BURN DEM!

+12

# 23, Haa

July 3, 2008, at 9:53.

NO to everything we say "Attila" and his followers as they think of what that self is "king" ... ... ... ...

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# 24, Deimos

July 3, 2008, at 9:55.

Notice to Mariners
SACYR-VALLERMOSO
13/11/06 54 €
02/07/08 € 17.48
a "plus value" of - € 36.52 in less than two years, which chollazo ....
BUY, BUY CURSED, THE DOOM'S DAY NOW HAS COME! (ironic mode off)

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# 25, Mandy

July 3, 2008, at 9:56.

The rate increases always produce a drop in inflation, the problem is what to rise, which damages and in what period.
The rise of the shopping basket, or the 'real inflation' fuel, will also be affected by a cooling of the economy. Even these sectors have grown too much during the years of prosperity (Harineras, pig farms, ...).
The problem is that in terms of cost and time.
Come on, I do not think the arguments of the page http://www.stoptrichet.com

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# 26, sam

July 3, 2008, at 9:58.

# 21 Lazaro Carreter
I'm not going to question your grammatical point, but then it is not correct to say simply "to see ..." (without going) plan in colloquial language or in the same way that there is the subject elliptical?

# 27, Euribor up up!

July 3, 2008, at 10:00.

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Carlos ... oh blanching?
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Good morning, everyone s! (and is not an affirmation but a hope ...)

First of all I would like to give you my opinion on # 3, Manuel Pinto Ramos yesterday.

The first thing to thank him for giving their opinions and contribute their experiences. Any amount! Knowing not take up any space and allows us to see things from a different prism.

And it is that I do not think they are comparable situations ... to see if I explain ...

I am not worth what some parents say (these are mine): "I have not ever gone on vacation (outside Spain)" or "I've never gone disco" or "I never had a computer" ...

Eso no vale porque si hemos avanzado hacia mejor… no podemos pedir a las nuevas generaciones que vuelvan a pasar hambre porque a los ricachones que mueven los hilos se dé la gana apretarnos la soga y ganar más dinero (aún en época de CRISIS…).

Debemos afrontar es día de hoy como lo hizo Manuel… con dos coj… y ADAPTARNOS a las nueva situación luchando por no perder todo lo avanzado desde el siglo XIX.

Esta es mi opinión. Ahí queda eso.

Y cambiando de tema… ayer y hoy han repetido bastante la siguiente noticia:

” Un atentado deja al menos cuatro muertos y más de 40 heridos en Jerusalén. Las autoridades israelíes lo calificaron como un ataque terrorista. Un atacante palestino embistió con una excavadora a varios autos y volcó a un micro. Ninguna organización se adjudicó el hecho. ”

Dicen en el telediario que el hombre, mientras avanzaba con su enorme excavadora por las calles de Jerusalén iba gritando ” ALÁ ES GRANDE!!! ALÁ ES GRANDE!!! “.

Pero esto creo que no lo han traducido bien al castellano. Según testigos presenciales, el hombre (paleta de oficio según las noticias) gritaba: ” LOS PISOS NO BAJAN NUNCA !!! LOS PISOS NO BAJAN NUNCA !!! “. Jejejejeje!!!

ZP ordenó a los telediarios que modificaran la noticia no fuera que alguien siguiera el ejemplo… (no pondría la mano en el fuego…)

Y por cierto, ayer ZP siguió sin describir a la actual situación como de CRISIS.

Él mismo… cuando realmente se digne a llamarla como tal será muuuuuuuuy tarde… y ya estaremos con la mi.er.da hasta el cuello.

Es la pu…a realidad.

Y mi previsión de situación a 30 de julio de 2008 es: barril a 150 $, euribor a 5,60 %, tipos al 4,25 %, paro al 10 %, IPC real al 15 % y el IPC oficial-falso al 5 %.

Siento ser REALISTA pero es que así fue como Manuel Pinto superó su situación… AFRONTANDO los PROBLEMAS… y no como estamos haciendo… que estamos mirando hacia otro lado o evitando pisar la mi.er.da.

Repito… buenos días a tod@s.
(Siento insistir y ser pesado pero intentar no consumir más allá de vuestras posibilidades. Sólo lo estrictamente necesario.)

Muchas gracias y mucha suerte !!!

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# 28 , Lázaro Carrater

3 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:02.

#26, sam
Sí, es correcto. Como tu bien dices el “vamos” está elíptico. Lo que no se debe hacer es una elípsis con la separación del ay del ver

# 29 , Euribor up up !!!

3 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:02.

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Por cierto… ojalá trichet tenga dos coj… y suba medio punto !!!

Es lo que toca y lo que pide la situación.

¡¡¡ ÁNIMO TRICHET !!!

Up the Euribor 0,50 !!!

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# 30 , Euribor up up !!!

3 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:03.

yo creo que no subira un cuarto de punto, subiran medio punto los tipos!!!

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# 31 , sam

3 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:06.

#19 Copero

Yo no me quejo de que no lo hagan sino de que no les obliguen a hacerlo. Que sí confiesan se van a la mierd..?? Bueno pues que se vayan!!

Por qué está mal que despidan a no se cuantos empleados de Caixa X en vez de no se menos de la fábrica X, que se va al garete porque Caixa X le ha cerrado las lineas de crédito????

(la vena del cuello se me está poniendo gordota)

# 32 , Preocupado

3 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:06.

No entiendo, ni entenderé nunca la posible subida de tipos de hoy, aunque tampoco digo que los baje. Trinchete está meando fuera de tiesto, intentando apagar un fuego ahogándolo con madera…

Si la inflacción actual viene motivada por el alto precio del petróleo y por la especulación a nivel mundial en materia primas…
…que alguien me explique como una subida de tipos puede combatir lo que he expuesto antes, por qué yo no lo entiendo…

¿No sería mejor, como exponen algunos por el foro, intervenciones del estado (entiéndase Europa) para combatir la especulación, clarificar las políticas de los bancos, buscar alternativas SERIAS y VIABLES al petróleo, etc.?

Pero claro, esto no hay cojones a hacerlo, lo mejor es atacar los efectos (inflacción) con subidas de tipos, antes que ponerse a atacar las causas del problema.

…y encima algunos del foro dándole la razón al Trinchete… flipo en colores, de verdad.

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# 33 , Anónimo

3 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:07.

#25, Mandy
“Las subidas de tipos siempre producen una bajada de la inflacción”
No necesariamente y menos con un aumento interanual de mas del 200% del precio del petroleo. ¿O acaso se piden creditos para comprar futuros de petroleo?

A mí me pueden subir los tipos lo que les de la gana; si mi materia prima son derivados del petroleo y este duplica su precio yo no podré bajar el de mis productos. Lo mas fácil es que tenga que “cerrar la persiana” debido a que hay una China con petroleo subvencionado.

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# 34 , EL CIPOTE

3 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:08.

#13, sirialuna

Por una vez estoy con fyahball.

En época de bonanza, cunado nos creemos ricos, que nos dejen en paz.

Ahora que viene el tío Paco con las rebajas que venga papá ZP y nos lo arregle.

Se lo tienen merecido por borregos.

# 35 , holidays

3 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:09.

Sorprendidos estamos de que, pese a no saber inglés, hay que reconocer que Zp maneja la lengua castellana a las mil maravillas. Estoy expectante ante su próxima aparición pública, aprendo cantiduvi cantiduvidubidááá de semántica, sinónimos y antónimos…

Oiga Vd., que me da igual que diga crisis o pantufla.
Lo que quiero es que deje de HUIR, reconozca la gravedad de la situación, simplemente pa que todos nos pongamos de acuerdo y empecemos a actuar, juntitos. Y si no sabe, A LA CALLE, como toquisqui.

Nos estamos jugando mucho todos.

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# 36 , ame76

3 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:13.

Dice Trichet:

“He aprendido de ambos lados. De la izquierda, el significado de la solidaridad social y de la derecha, la importancia de la eficiencia y la responsabilidad”.

Que es casi lo mismo que decir:

“Los de derechas son unos insolidarios, y los de izquierdas unos ineficientes y unos irresponsables”

pero queda mucho más educado. A ver si aprendemos de él y nos insultamos con más delicadeza, que esto últimamente parece una verdulería.

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# 37 , holidays

3 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:13.

34 EL CIPOTE

En época de bonanza gobierna cualquiera. Sobre todo cuando te han dejado las cuentas rechonchas.

Ahora, no es que venga ¿Papa Zapatero? a arreglarlo, es que necesitamos a un buen GOBERNANTE, a un profesional, a un buen negociante, a un representante internacional en condiciones, etc, etc… no a papi

# 38 , holidays

3 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:14.

36 ame76

¿aprender de cualo?

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# 39 , Mandy

3 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:18.

La subida de tipos reduce la demanda de productos, esto produce una contracción de la produccion (sean los precios de las materias primas los que sean). De hecho a mayores precios de materias primas, mayor será la contracción. En Eruopa todavía estamos creciendo por encima del 2 %, actualmente, y hay margen para la contracción. (0,8 el primer trimestre).
Otro problema lo tendremos en España, y es que quiera o no el Sr. Zapatero vamos a entrar en recesión y será este año.
Esta cabezonería me recuerda a Aznar con Irak y 11-M. Y eso siempre termina mal.

# 40 , auriga

3 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:18.

Buenos días a todos:

Empezamos este movidito día de previsible subida de tipos con las preocupaciones habituales. Yo quiero poner mi granito de arena con algún comentario al hilo de lo dicho hoy:

Para #3 sam:
Dices que los bancos deben exponer sus cuentas bien claritas para que todo el mundo vea su estado real. Bien. No es posible y la explicación es harto sencilla: SON EMPRESAS PRIVADAS.
No me gusta decirlo así, pero parece que aquí haya que recordar con demasiada frecuencia que los bancos son empresas privadas que hacen y deshacen con su negocio LO QUE LES DA LA REAL GANA siempre y cuando no incurran en nada ilegal. ¿Que alguien ha firmado una hipoteca a un millón de años con unas revisiones semanales de EURIBOR + 125 %? Bien, es mayor de edad y se le supone capacitado para tomar ese tipo de decisiones.
Señores, que parece que seamos nuevos. Jod*r, es el CAPITALISMO, y funciona así.

Para #13, Sirialuna:
A mí me parece bien eso del intervencionismo por parte de las autoridades en los mercados, pero hasta hoy no me consta que vivamos en la Unión Soviética, la Albania de Enver Hoxha o la China de Mao. Vivimos en España, somos un país capitalista y además neoliberal. Los negocios privados son simple y llanamente eso, privados. La administración pública sólo puede aspirar a mirar los toros desde la barrera y saltar a la palestra si ve alguna ilegalidad (y no están sobornados para mirar a otro lado…).
Si vivimos en un país capitalista para recoger los beneficios y nos dejan hacer cuando las cosas van bien, ¿por qué debería intervenir el Estado cuando las cosas van mal? ¿No dicen que el mercado se regula solo? Bien, pues ya está haciéndolo. Perdonad el sarcasmo, pero ocurre que no nos contaron que cada vez que el sacrosanto “mercado” ha de regularse deja una buena montaña de cadáveres en el proceso.
¿Acaso hay en las notarías un inspector público especializado en hipotecas y mercados financieros aconsejándonos cuando vamos a firmar una hipotequita que nos mantendrá con la soga al cuello hasta nuestro fallecimiento? Eso es debido a que somos mayores de edad y Papá Estado no nos tutela como se hace en las dictaduras comunistas. Ahora se nos deja decidir. Si lo hacemos bien, perfecto. Si lo hacemos mal, también perfecto.

Un saludo a todos.

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# 41 , Anónimo

3 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:22.

#12 sam

Perdonado, pero que no se vuelva a repetir. Aunque revisa los acentos (aun = incluso; aún= todavía).

#Lázaro Carreter

Cuidado, que luego te sale algún majadero llamándote talibán de la ortografía o algo similar. La verdad es que el nivel de la ortografía, la gramática, la sintaxis y el léxico que se ve en este y otros muchos foros es lamentable. Aunque no pasa nada: dentro de poco empezaremos con el lenguaje de gruñidos (proyecto simio) y será aún peor.

# 42 , Copero

3 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:24.

#31 Sam.

Buenos días. Lo de que el Estado deba obligar a ofrecer estos datos es inútil, ya que si algo saben estos bancos es de “contabilidad creativa”. De todas maneras, no es difícil intuir que bancos están en la cuerda floja (los que den más interés a menos tiempo).

#29 Euribor up up.

Buenos días. Sólo matizar que Trichette no sube el euribor, sino los tipos de interés. Hace un mes no subió tipos y el euribor subió un 0,3 %. Aunque exista “cierta” relación, no depende de él el valor del Euribor.

#33 anónimo
#25 Mandy.

Los dos tenéis razón: Una subida de tipos produce una bajada de la inflación, ya que el dinero está más caro, sin embargo, si el peso del descenso de la inflación debido a la subida de tipos es bajo (porque haya poco crédito nuevo), se puede ver “camuflado” por una subida de la inflación debido a otros productos, que suban en mayor proporción y cantidad. Por ejemplo, si con la subida de tipos baja la inflación una décima, pero los alimentos frescos suben 9 décimas, se produce una inflación de 8 décimas (que siempre será mejor que una de 9 décimas).

Un cordial saludo.

# 43 , Haa

3 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:26.

Para #32 “Preocupado”, estoy absolutamente de acuerdo contigo………tú razonamiento es responsable, serio y solidario………

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# 44 , mario

3 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:27.

Lo interesante va a ser ver si el superabuelo, con la subida de un cuartillo, va a conseguir atajar la inflacion … se admiten apuestas. Pues este no es un entrono normal. Lo normal es que cuando la economia crece poco baje la inflacion y se recorten tipos. Ahora tenemos alta inflacion, bajo crecimiento y tipos “altos” ( o subiendo) … todo a la vez!

# 45 , Anónimo

3 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:27.

#41, Anónimo
Pues la verdad; yo prefiero los comentarios frescos (aunque haya alguna falta de ortografía) a los enlatados populistas (dónde además también se enuentran faltas de ortografía).

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# 46 , Deimos

3 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:29.

#22, fyahball
3 de Julio de 2008, a las 9:51.

Estimado Fyahball, “Lo jodido sirialuna es que eso ha sido lo normal”, lo que no es normal es que tod@s, en su afán de ser un poquito mejor que el de al lado, si él lo vende por 40, yo por 43, y si hay alguien que lo pague, pues bien, y en este momento entran los bancpiros y las timobiliarias.

El resto de la pelicula no te la cuento, porque ya nos sabemos todos, quien es el Asesino (Euribor) quienes son los malos (trinchet, los bancos, etc…) y quien es el muerto (los cipotecados).
El final, esta por ver, como en el mus.

# 47 , 1

3 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:30.

#40, auriga

básicamente de acuerdo contigo, pero, a los que pedís tantos datos de los bancos, os recuerdo que teneis totalmente disponibles las memorias anuales y balances en las webs respectivas.

El que se moleste en mirarlo verá quién está escondiendo cosas y quién no.

Por cierto, recordaros que en los Bancos trabajan personas, igual que en las fábricas de GM etc etc

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# 48 , ergi

3 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:31.

Buenos días,

ZP ayer realmente glorioso, que dominio del idioma….es más o menos lo que saqué en claro, en especial me gustó mucho lo de
“menos bien”; eso y su pregunta: “qué puede hacer el gobierno para ayudar a las familias aparte de los 400 € y suprimir el impuesto sobre el patrimonio?” y ?????…ya`tá??? Cuando ví esto ya me quedó todo clarito clarito, a esperar que pase lo que tenga que pasar que ya vendrán tiempos mejores, porque claro, la subida del petróleo y los cereales y los tipos como no es cosa nuestra pues oigan que no podemos hacer nada ahhhhhhhh se siente!!!! Pero que clase de república bananera es ésta?????????

Señor ZP esa pregunta la tiene que contestar usted que para eso es el presidente del gobierno de este país, por tanto tendrá que tomar medidas, impopulares o no, mientras nos saquen adelante, porque lo de apretarse el cinturón lo tenemos asumido y no desde ayer precisamente como usted.

+21

# 49 , De

3 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:38.

#32, Preocupado
3 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:06.
#41, Anónimo
3 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:22.

# 50 , auriga

3 de Julio de 2008, a las 10:39.

Para #47, 1:

Como aclaración, yo no he pedido ningún dato de los bancos.
En cuanto a lo que dices acerca de que en los bancos y empresas en general trabajan personas, totalmente de acuerdo. Pero, ¿acaso importa eso en el sistema en el que vivimos? No y mil veces no. Sólo importan las cifras (% de votos a favor y en contra, beneficios, etc.). Los dramas personales están muy bien para las novelas o las películas, pero no interesan a los gestores de esas empresas que comentas, y mucho menos a los políticos. A los primeros les interesa SÓLO llenarse los bolsillos ya los segundos les interesa mantenerse en el poder con todo lo que ello conlleva.

Un saludo a todos.

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