It's the economy, stupid

When we think of Bush the father did not usually have a very good picture of it, mainly because of its destructive reproductive capacity, but shortly before the 1992 election, Bush was considered unbeatable by most political analysts, mainly because of its successes in politics outside, as the end of the Cold War and the Persian Gulf War, then his popularity had reached 90% acceptance, a historical record.

In these circumstances, James Carville, strategist for the campaign of Bill Clinton, noted that it should focus more on issues related to the daily lives of citizens and their most immediate needs. And in order to keep the campaign focused on a message, Carville stuck a poster in the central office with three letters:

  1. Change vs. more of the same
  2. The economy, stupid
  3. Do not forget the health system

Although the cartel was only a reminder of, "It's the economy, stupid" became a kind of unofficial slogan of the campaign of Clinton, who was critical to alter the balance of power and defeat Bush, something unthinkable earlier.

In the 1992 elections in the United States, compared with tax cuts and spending proposals by Bush, Clinton spoke of a new fiscal policy to punish the highest incomes and an improvement in those aspects of society that, his opinion, made a big country (education, health, ...)

In Spain it seems that in the campaign, the economy was not a defining issue in the U.S. but it may be. Undoubtedly, we will have to be very attentive to the McCain-Obama fight because as we have seen, its crises affect us more than what is desirable. Will the economy which force the change?

Written by Carlos Lopez on June 26, 2008 with 254 points.
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# 1, INSA

June 26, 2008, at 8:13.

This is my business. Today in forums like this is talk of layoffs, of mileuristas and freeze salaries. Well, this is nothing with which they have mounted some companies. For example in the mine at a plant in Caceres did not have to do any of this because there is no need to fire an mileurista with the salary freeze, but just a bit of mobbing:
What you gonna revise the CPI for workers?
What are you going to pay him a salary if a fellow seeking the post and left malcontratrar for a year?
What you gonna renew the scholarship or raise the salary of this? If you do not want 600 euros post and another that wants to come
What are you going to raise the salary to workers depending on their job or worth, whether it is better "takes up only one that does not deserve it and you have 30 casualties" (no layoffs) and so there is room for 60 or 70 more trainees to exploit a year?
Well that, in many sites do not have to fire you, you only open the door, they teach you the way to it, even you comment that you're not going to reach the position you deserve (at present) until within 7 years . If this does not pass to swell the lists of unemployment ....

Just a year ago, thousands of news like this http://www.elperiodicoextremadura.com/noticias/noticia.asp?pkid=252839
one could read in every newspaper in Extremadura and now I see why a company such as this grows and works perfectly: 50 fellows at € 600, 50 vocational training with minimum wage, 50 workers with salaries of less than one thousand euros and 50 others remaining are the heads who support the policy of wage restraint from the government "except in their pockets.

Well, I better not peñazo this morning because I can "give a scholarship" (not firing) and say that in times of crisis if you do not miss, this is what we have left and we must accept that with a salary of less than thousand euros you can buy a lot of Vaseline.

So from here say that there is no sense in the war Cipotecados / cipotealquilados because in Spain there are cipocontratados and thank you do not miss it but what remains is the cipoparo.

A salute.

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# 2, jdx

June 26, 2008, at 8:16.

this if it is pain ....
http://www.lavanguardia.es/lv24h/20080625/53487730043.html

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# 3, krollian

June 26, 2008, at 8:37.

The system works to impoverish the majority and a minority enriched through the consumption:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5645724531418649230&hl=es

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# 4 COMMENTARY FROM YESTERDAY

June 26, 2008, at 8:45.

# VILLAGE PEOPLE

My God!, We are going wonderfully, yeah, great.

In coming years many of you going to be on the street, in the p street with nothing, sorry, least of all, on the street and with debts of thousands of euros. All we're going to have friends, siblings, parents in total ruin and here you are in the Inopia, like the rest of Spain.

Spain voted destitution and misery will have to espuertas.

I still think that ZP someone is going to deal with the crisis? Is someone who is determined to take the issue with the Seridan you have?

Today. Matias Prats has described as "curious" the aberrant act of Congress to discuss, for the second time!, The human rights of apes.

That is not a joke!, Is that these people seriously, that the rights of apes care about most, yes, yes, more than the crises that the disaster of justice, that the problem of energy ...

Do you remember what Caligula made his horse?, Would it be a protosocialista Caligula?

The priority for the government is just that, the free abortion, euthanasia, freedom of monkeys ... and tomorrow in what will surprise us, "Are we undertake to take dogs from the kennel before slaughter, are entitled to a Piazza hospital, "Do monkeys are entitled to a pension?, is free legarizará suicide? You will pay the state? ¿Revert seigneur of the right ... to the politicians?. Come on, think of the most brutal aberration, that you are staying short!

The father of Mari Luz outraged that the corrupt judge who vacated the murderer of her daughter would have only fined 6000 euros, which will recover in a month and a half for the salary that you have. That is worth a life, and a half months' salary.

Crisis?, In two years of violence in large cities will have the level of South American cities, is going to fear going out. The robberies are a constant, so we are going to happen all too well. It will be the result of a government focused on the propaganda of their secular religion, which neglects the economic health of the country, the health of justice and the real foundation of our society.

There are some out there who refuse to vote. Well, looks, because there are valid people, hey! and not even say excellent, but valid. I sincerely believe that the crisis is the best thing that we are going to happen.

Ah! I remind you that pensions in 1996 were paid with a credit. So you save, because it will not be strange if we have to buy food grandpa, too.

In the building are throwing people to the streets to mansalva. After the construction is the industrial and transportation. After consulting services and associated IT -. Later, tourism and finally wage freeze for civil servants.

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# 5, anonymous

June 26, 2008, at 8:49.

# 4 COMMENTARY FROM YESTERDAY

"Crisis?, In two years of violence in large cities will have the level of South American cities, is going to fear going out"

uyyyyyyyyy ten cuidadoooooooo, which for a phrase like that here you can call from all over ... you do not see that this forum is full of good people and supportive? Now you get the strike out of racist, xenophobic .... etc etc

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# 6, official

June 26, 2008, at 8:59.

I fear that the freezing of salaries of civil servants will be the first thing .... seen the budget cuts that have been raised by the government (central and regional), after a study surely "comprehensive" and "seriously" the needs and priorities, and possibilities of cutting ....
Clearly, given that the wage has been updated to 2%, rather than the annual CPI, because what we came smelling ....

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# 7, Guest

June 26, 2008, at 9:04.

Yesterday I read a comment from someone who suggested that the Forero looked like those who had to flee. Because we do not put in positive and we love to read and why. These are mine
Size: Write things always interesting, albeit sometimes very balanced in favor of work
Copero: Very interesting
Alma: Ironic, though at critical times you lose the thread or lose it
Krollian: Do not know why but I like
Sirialuna: Very realistic and honest

Or any one I forget but these are the ones I can think of

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# 8, holidays

June 26, 2008, at 9:09.

if something was characterized by this country, is due to the high number of Spaniards who were included in the so-called "middle class" base of stability.
2008, we look around us: richer, poorer.
Disappearing middle class.
The luxury companies are installed in our country as mosquitoes attracted by the new rich. The families are increasingly impoverished. Young idem.
¿Return to class society of yesteryear?

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# 9, holidays

June 26, 2008, at 9:16.

# 6 official

sincerely feel that the wage freeze is likely, officials may have (with sincerity). But perhaps, in times of crisis, you would think that you are a privileged group.
For others, check in the crisis, we are also "freezes" the wage, just the revisions to the CPI. However, as well .... we do not have hours continuous hours, caring for children up to age 12 or older, payment of gyms, books, glasses, suvencionados apartments, workshops within hours of labor to move up a level (with savings of academy) ..., etc. etc ....
I think one thing compensates the other, no?

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# 10, krollian

June 26, 2008, at 9:19.

# 7, Guest:

Well, thank you for the part that touches me. As I said a few days I am only a humble mortal mortgaged to 63 years. I am 38 now. And I bought my covacha to live. I apretao. When you can not rent the pisito. A sixth that with the low seventh ago. And if it does not give more than they sell.
It is one thing and another is being hipotecao be a neoesclavo.

Two things above all I enervate:
The borreguismo and ignorance. Indeed, the crisis will cause many to rethink their way of life ...

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# 11, holidays

June 26, 2008, at 9:21.

forgiveness for the misspellings (speed), "subsidized"

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# 12, One More

June 26, 2008, at 9:23.

Good morning,

This country is going to hell.

Anonimo Correct accents and more, just think of that nonsense.

Borregil

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# 13, R. GROVE

June 26, 2008, at 9:26.

It seems that Americans already are realizing that the road is not going through a reduction in rates indefinitely, that the inflation parameter is the most dangerous and that erodes the economy most of all (of debtors and the oligofrenicos of deposits) . And that is precisely extraordinarily low rates and the joy in the granting of credits has led us in part to the current situation. We hope that the ECB will take good note of and appropriate response in the next few days.

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# 14, marathoner

June 26, 2008, at 9:31.

Despite my age, 37, this is the 2nd economic crisis that I have in my meat. I dedicate it to the construction company and my family are dedida it for over 30 years. One could say therefore that I'm not upstart, and that the training received (bachelor's and master's degree) and the accumulated experience, that the crisis should be a cyclical problem.
The reality is that I am baffled. For more laps that I got clearer every day that this mega is artificial, and therefore a good day we wake up with sounds of bells announcing the end of the problem and a return to calm (though with few side effects ranging to last in the economies of the middle class and low over 2 years).
I think it weather the crisis (you never know, and now we are a sector stinks), but the damage will compel me to be a long time in a corner licking the wounds that are many. Weather the crisis because my people (my employees) supporting me despite the varapalo who have suffered in their payrolls, my suppliers renegotiating payments despite the fact that they too are going wrong. And if by the Bank, had already closed the doors, because they do not deserve even the slightest consideration. They consider them the most guilty, by trickster and snake charmers, those which have led to ruin for many families and small businesses. And do not forget the Government, which all agree with his passivity such tropelías.
My alias is the only way to be at this moment in the economy, brick sector, and is like a marathon that takes only a quarter of career and beyond uphill.
On the other hand, and while not serve anything, I wish to comment to all those who are stated in inelegant and rejoice in the pain of others, is that in life we must convey positive and avoid the evils, less desearlas, because as you sow refranero said the wind storm gathers, and not because they will spend anything to write four tropelías in a forum, but because the attitude towards life will determine your fate.
I wish you the best for everyone and that this varapalo pass as soon as possible. A hug

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# 15, Alma

June 26, 2008, at 9:35.

R Grove
Simplifying a lot. It gives the feeling that "we can not be left alone." I mean, eventually it seems that it is best to make us more difficulties (high rates, more seriously in granting mortgages, etc.). I think the evidence is clear, when it promotes the idea that "we are all rich" we are all investors' passes what happens to us or buy stamps or mortgaged to the bone.
I am not elitist but I sincerely believe that not everyone is ready for play to be an economist. How can you fix this? With a more paternalistic government as to ensure that what interests of the people (with what they mean) or a more liberal government in terms of risk that we all need to win (or lose)
PS: thank you. However, as I said once I am a sweet and not a girl efebo

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# 16, ca.o

June 26, 2008, at 9:38.

Does anyone remember what was the crucial point to win these last elections in Spain?
What was the crucial point to win the above? From this we all know the answer
But what about the last?
Well, so we will.

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# 17, circular

June 26, 2008, at 9:40.

Hello,

Today I have lifted a little more than usual socarrón ...

# 1, INSA: and, above a picture so bleak, why not change of scenery? I am sure that there is any company in Spain or anywhere in the world which has a seat for you to match your worth. But of course, we have to move and search ... Incidentally, if this is for you "mobbing", the day that you do not really going to last nor a television news program. Let's see if we do not use something as serious as is "mobbing" so happy.

# 4 COMMENTARY FROM YESTERDAY:
"Crisis?, In two years of violence in large cities will have the level of South American cities, is going to fear going out. The robberies are a constant, so we are going to happen all too well. It will be the result of a government focused on the propaganda of their secular religion, which neglects the economic health of the country, the health of justice and the real foundation of our society. "

And, yes ... And the sun is going to turn off and leave the earth in its orbit ...

# 9, holidays: totally agree.

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# 18, Cinéfil

June 26, 2008, at 9:54.

Yesterday I went to see "The Incident". Some say it is based on "The Euribor" does anyone know why?

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# 19, T

June 26, 2008, at 9:57.

The implications of boredom can lead to unpredictable: write here with two different screen name (the cop "bad" "donkey" and "good" "WILLY"). Amazing when one of them "commends" written by his alter ego. Hallucinatory

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# 20, TAHartl

June 26, 2008, at 9:59.

Hello everybody.

FEEDING REGIME AS AN ETERNAL IN DEMOCRACY.

HEALTH competitions in Spain.

Opposition (from the Latin oppositio) is the action or effect of opposing. Position of a thing in front of another. Contrast between two contrary things. Focus on the opposition PUBLIC ANDALUZA:

Opposition in personnel selection, is a selective process for obtaining certain jobs.

Opposition (review).

The opposition is a selective process in which several people contribute to one or more positions in a company or organization. The opposition usually consist of several tests (test, psychological, development of themes, scenarios, languages, etc.) to assess the ability and capacity of the aspirants (opponents). Equality is a principle that should govern any development process.

The opposition is a very normal procedure for entry into the administration. Other entry procedures are: competition and contest.

"LINCOS by sheep."

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# 21, manonegra

June 26, 2008, at 9:59.

Wenas

# 14, marathoner

"And if by the Bank, had already closed the doors, because they do not deserve even the slightest consideration. They consider them the most guilty, by trickster ... And do not forget the Government, which all agree with his passivity such tropelías "

You are absolutely right, banking is the ultimate blame for all this, has financed speculators, and has laundered the Mafia, including mayors. Now that has squeezed the currantes into believing that they were "investors" leaves them with your ass in the air!

The government does not do anything: You can do anything? ever done anything?
No, neither this nor any other can do anything, you can not bite the hand that feeds you.

The system is rotten to the bowels

Good luck

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# 22, manonegra

June 26, 2008, at 10:01.

As stated earlier, I am very funny ence & TAHartl as elements that are trying to convince us with how well they would do the seeds.

For descojonarse!

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# 23, Carlos

June 26, 2008, at 10:02.

Marathoner,

I like what you write and as you type
I like what you want to convey
I like to sow positivism
I like that you're not in my situation
I like not going to be in my situation within 12 months
I love this country and its citizens
I like the resilience of the Spaniards when things go wrong
I have to sign a mortgage within 1 month. and not just going to leave the 'crisis' but within 8 years I sell the house purchases another and I will again put in more mud ... .. asin semos.

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# 24, gerthins

June 26, 2008, at 10:04.

# 9, holidays

Well, you know, man, become official, for which I now have a very good job I had to swallow 9 months of academy on the peninsula (live on an island), after a year in practice (if you are wrong you done), then back to the mainland but this time for 4 (yes 4) years so that the final destination where I wanted. But also working to shift continuously, as you say, but that does nights holiday, Easter, for years, ... .... People remember officials in times of crisis when there is no crisis nobody thinks of them poor. Well, nothing to consider an opposition and try their luck, I took about 16 years and I'm very happy. Certainly my first salary, alla by the year 93 was 150,000 pts, the change is about 900 € for some time that I was mileurista when nobody had even coined the word. Logically years ago that far exceeds that amount but that is what it has to be official. I feel the tostón, good day and good luck to all. Anyone who wants to study to do so already, I think the cobbler wants to reduce the creation of public employment, ... ... ....

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# 25, Alma

June 26, 2008, at 10:04.

Manonegra, marathoner
It is more or less what we raised. But do we really think that all governments are equal? Do you think that postmodern as good as there is no left or right?.

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# 26, Carlos

June 26, 2008, at 10:07.

In the year 93 150,000 pesetas was a pasta ...
(The article is well put, he was just a shade)

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# 27, Lazaro Carreter

June 26, 2008, at 10:08.

gerthins
With officials like you're ready. MADE WITH H. The opposition did not approve an opposition but a lot

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# 28, Bentzia

June 26, 2008, at 10:10.

for # 1

Everything you say is true and not just on campus. But the worst thing is that INSA is a company that has existed since 1992 for the INTA can do all that you say.

INTA, which belongs to the Ministry of Defense ...

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# 29, Unamuno

June 26, 2008, at 10:11.

Made with M comes to Make Out, as of negative growth or crisis.

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# 30, manonegra

June 26, 2008, at 10:11.

# 25, Alma

Yes, I believe strongly, and if people knew this, the system would have no choice but to change.

But people are afraid to change, and this man accustomed to adapt to the conditions.

We prefer the security imposed, that the uncertainty of Liberty.

DEFAULT SYSTEM

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# 31, baskets

June 26, 2008, at 10:12.

# 24, gerthins

Yes, because ... 900 € = 150,000 pts ... 15 YEARS AGO! In other words, the King of Mambo.

And it's just not true that we remember from officials in times of crisis. When everything goes well, and in the window or not you served God, we also remember them.

Outside coña. It is also true that we should take a couple well-placed to opositar (opositar as God commanded, not as a hobby to see if it sounds like a flute).

Everyone has their things: employees, on a tightrope and exploited in many cases; officials, exposed to freezing, autonomous, so I stew and I like it ...

Encouragement to all, it is almost Friday.

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# 32, fyahball

June 26, 2008, at 10:15.

# 14, marathoner

Let me make jejejejeje grace of the positive advances! And his stockholm syndrome! They were not otherwise happen which suck the p ... to those who have empufao! FYAH BURN DEM ALL!

Come and marathoner!
Tell us about the benefits you get these years of bubbling? llevao how much pasta you have to draw?
Well, well, jajajaja that if banks, that if the government looks pa'otro lao ... that we would have been if the poor builders had not given its extreme example of honesty during these years? Less talk and more sting ...

A lot of people will suffer tonight,
a lot of people do not dining tonight ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OBafgG9SpQ

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# 33, sirialuna

June 26, 2008, at 10:16.

is that there are things I do not understand ... if your gonna buy a TV and not explicitly puts you now is whether or not these DTT in your
you change the law that you return the money .. is done to you comprams products from consumer protection.
Where was that department when banks and incited recommended to include the dog in the mortgage? we know that everyone is free to accept or not, but many people are ignorant on these issues and they have misled and cheated you. Your bank has warned him not to plan a crisis comes if you can not pay this, so you only borrow so much money. No. hecerlo incited him.

Thus the bank is not in sight, not ever object to the state department to warn consumers on TV. In Plan.
It is reported that the banks want to put Grandma in the mortgage from the bank that now no report of the risks facing (a punishment or whatever).

I therefore unworthy querealmente periods in which solutions are needed, unions duck his head, (basically because they are socialiestas)
and please to come now with the monkeys? I feel very strongly that it is talking mainly of parliament where there is now more urgent things.

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# 34, condonacion_jeje

June 26, 2008, at 10:16.

Today rubbish ... APOR step OEEH THEM!! XDDDDD

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# 35, Lazaro Carreter

June 26, 2008, at 10:17.

Manonegra
I do not know, or think it will not be completely well or do not want to believe (I suppose that with age I'm becoming more skeptical or less enthusiastic). Anyway I think there are always nuances and, frankly, I prefer to Simancas before Esperanza Aguirre A, I prefer that the new Rajoy ZP. I mean, governments will always happen and in themselves do not think that will change what can we do to force these changes?

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# 36, Anonymous

June 26, 2008, at 10:17.

# 24, gerthins

But that front, the year 93 ERA 15 years ago, and 150,000 pts, was a dough by those then, I gained in 93 pts between 100,000 and 120,000, and remember that it was not anything wrong.

On the other hand, by your comments I gather that belong to a body of state security, which I assume and hope that your work is a vocation, so without detract at all by your days at night and holidays, (that there are a lot People are not official who also does), and by the opposition that at the time did you have an added, is that you're working on what you like, and not everyone is fortunate to be able to do and that is to be assess.

I'm not saying that being an official is plum, and more when there are so many types of staff, but acknowledges that you are not a group you may complain that you have all the benefits you have, in comparison with any employee of a joint venture.

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# 37, circular

June 26, 2008, at 10:18.

Hello,

# 24, gerthins:

Poor:
- An initial salary of 150,000 pesetas in the year 93: What misery!
- 9 months of academy outside the home do doom!
- 1 year in practice: What injustice!
- 4 years working away from home: What loneliness!

Contrary to what you think, I agree to the officials during the good times and bad. (No, I do not have niguna envy of the civil service and do not want an officer post, before I think.)

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# 38, CARLOS

June 26, 2008, at 10:19.

# For FQ

The link to me pedistes yesterday:

http://www.mercadofinanciero.es/secciones/tablaInfobolsa.jsp?pIdPortal=6&pNumTabla=17

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# 39, funcionator

June 26, 2008, at 10:19.

Marathon:

I think you take the nail on the head with regard to ways to cope with this and the attitude of the banks in this: It is flexibility and accountability. Two things that banks do not take the slightest degree, simply act as one of 600's famous gorilla joke.

Personally I also blame them as directly responsible for the miserable situation of many families, families are not finance professionals they can not ask for macroeconomic forecasts, risk analysis and large drills. For that we are the banks and allow them to put in excessive risk, but it is obvious that they have not done anything to this, they should simply contribute the time to contribute to the warming of the economy.

The conclusion is clear: we can not afford to rely on financial institutions or count on your support, the people we are raising that we are alone and we have to asuminir alone the responsibility of our economic decisions.

I only partly agree that the crisis is artificial, on the one hand we see each other if provoked by irresponsible policy of low rates for too long, unusual things such as the mechanics of the subprime, speculation for more than 70% in markets Crude oil (report came out yesterday in the U.S.), and so on. That is, so desacertadas policies as irresponsible and could have been avoided.

It is also artificial because here in Spain we were unable to focus on the things that really matter in life than they are, the training of our children, and others, and we have preferred to entertain us with things as diverse as inconsequential and unnecessary revindicaciones cutting nationalist. The bill is already coming, and oblige us to reflect. I just hope that a deep crisis, at least, serve to correct this mindset so wrong.

On the other hand I do not agree because it reflects the order of things today, and because the consequences are far-reaching. What scares me more of this than others is the lack of resources in the domestic economy by overhang, I wonder where they can go out and the economic strength we need to remount in the 2nd quarter as Solbes said.

Holidays:

I am a civil servant, and I am grateful that someone of a balanced and sensible view than that of "you freeze salaries, total if you are all about vague." I'm tired of this kind of stupid statements generalists. Stupidity is not qualified to form opinions of people is one of the major factors of this crisis, because then unfortunately reflected in their valuations
policies, among other things.

The civil service has the theme of all forms must be seen as draft. The issue of salaries of senior managers is as has been amply discussed in the press a cosmetic operation that reaches the most absolute hypocrisy.

Moreover the cut of new staff a priori do not see it that bad, but not in such a disproportionate and foremost, if not, as always, with the hammer and without differentiating performances. An example: there are issues in the administration that are of great interest to the wider economy, such as the advancement of eGovernment in which it is carried by investing time, effort and resources and there is a shortage of important staff officer to carry them out. Besides this implies a high level of recruitment in the ICT sector, that is, and also generates employment in an industry that generates productivity. On the other hand witnessing a strip processing companies allows them to recover hoas productive.

In recent years progress has been made both in resources invested, results are starting to get more staff as ICT in government and that is necessary to maintain this, but I fear, now short of rennet, and that means throwing in the trash after much time and effort.

Salu2 and effectively: let the fight for mortgage or no mortgage, use the Catalan, Galician and Basque in schools when we already have a language to understand each other and spend that effort on things that really matter to ensure a level of welfare acceptable throughout the country.

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# 40, dichotomous

June 26, 2008, at 10:21.

.- Animo, leave without problems, only a few months and will then be able to build a great nation. We have better ratios than the rest of European countries. They are the nerves in difficult moments. We have emerged from other worse.

.- As I tell my wife q me and we can not pay off the house, is going to increase delinquencies x3, the bank will stay with the house. Spain has the prices very high and very low incomes, do not know if our ratios are better, or what is not me.

.- And you of who you are?

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# 41, marathoner

June 26, 2008, at 10:22.

I'm not going to political positions because if this government out of the rut we are, well, and if another is, well, but that someone already taken out of the quagmire, please.
The left and right are diluyeon long ago, and only some rancid are concerned about maintaining the dichotomy at the expense of whatever. I do not like the extremes, much less in developed societies such as ours. I think that common sense will focus on intermediate lines, where the left brings large doses of equity and the right of practicality. The balance between the two is a single direction, and the meaning must be ahead of any of the ways.
Common sense, look for the realization of the greater good and above all not to lose the expectation that we live in community, and that the misfortune of others are not my benefit but to the contrary.

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# 42, dichotomous

June 26, 2008, at 10:24.

Funcionator:
I just hope that a deep crisis, at least, serve to correct this mindset so wrong.

Q optimistic dammit! change the mentality of the Spanish ...
and also with a crisis .... Uncle you are more naive to the Pere Navarro.

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# 43, manonegra

June 26, 2008, at 10:25.

# 35, Lazaro Carreter

Yeah, sure, the ear absolute black and dark gray, I agree.

We can do for the moment, aware, be critical, not allow ourselves to handle.

I also have an age (40) everything is relative, but at my age makes me more incredulous. I do not think anything of the data we use here in the forum. Why are we giving them data (banking, government, media handled, multinationals)

greetings

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# 44, baskets

June 26, 2008, at 10:25.

# 41, marathoner

Agree on everything. If the Admin of the neighboring community of the CagA, and you're looking for him ehcas to another, which is very buddy. That should also happen with the political class, which in the end is nothing more than a manager a little bigger.

But you ... who said that we are a society evolved? What happens is that we change the mules by bemeuves and SUVs, but we still like CAFRA.

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# 45, holidays

June 26, 2008, at 10:26.

# 24 gerthins

hola super-super. I think most overcome your 9-month academy, 1 year of practice, 4 years away from "home", your Euro 1000, 16 years your work .... just said to you quejéis not so much that you enjoy what you have ... but do not you try ... to appear.

to enjoy

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# 46, fyahball

June 26, 2008, at 10:26.

# 14, marathoner

MMMMMMHHHHAHAHAHHAHHA
Friends! At the parrot! to me the trick! that this crisis is artificial, that any day we got up and the sun rises and there are wonderful Mariposita and birds, and flowers and the floors are re-upgrade to double digits! ... And earn wuenos!

in the end, only one thing is true:

BURN DEM ALL!

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# 47, Alma

June 26, 2008, at 10:29.

Marathoner
I do not I like the extremes, that's why I think that although it is true that over left and right do not forget who really is the prevailing market economy. But I repeat, I do believe that there are nuances and that is not the same one thing than the other. So where is your key. Why Finland, Norway, etc. are so different to Spain, USA?

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# 48, funcionator

June 26, 2008, at 10:29.

Sorry, refueling, but I do not have much practice and I've even seen it in notepad to edit it was riddled with errors that they were almost unreadable. As is aimed at certain people get it again. Does not happen again ...

Marathon:

I think you take the nail on the head with regard to ways to cope with this and the attitude of the banks in this: indeed this is flexibility and accountability. Two things that banks do not take the slightest degree, just act like that gorilla of 600 kilos of the famous joke.

Personally I also blame them as directly responsible for the miserable situation of many families, families are not finance professionals, they can not seek macroeconomic forecasts, risk analysis and large drills. For that we are the banks and not allow them to put in excessive risk, but it is obvious that they have not done anything to this, just for them at that time contributing to warming of the economy with a view to the next income statement.

The conclusion is clear: we can not afford to rely on financial institutions or count on your support, the people we are raising that we are alone and we have to assume alone the responsibility of our economic decisions.

I only partly agree that the crisis is artificial, on the one hand we see each other if provoked by irresponsible policy of low rates for too long, unusual things such as the mechanics of the subprime, speculation for more than 70% in markets Crude oil (report came out yesterday in the U.S.), and so on. That is, so desacertadas policies as irresponsible and could have been prevented with relative ease.

It is also artificial because here in Spain we were unable to focus on the things that really matter in life than they are, the training of our children, and others, and we have preferred to entertain us with things as diverse as inconsequential and unnecessary nationalist claims court. The bill is already coming, and oblige us to reflect. I just hope that a deep crisis, at least, serve to correct this mindset so wrong.

On the other hand I do not agree because it reflects the order of things today, and because the consequences are far-reaching. What scares me more of this than others is the lack of resources in the domestic economy by overhang, I wonder where they can go out and the economic strength we need to remount in the 2nd quarter as Solbes said.

Holidays:

I am a civil servant, and I am grateful that someone of a balanced and sensible view than that of "you freeze salaries, total, if you are all some vague". I'm tired of this kind of stupid statements generalists. Such stupidity in forming opinions of unskilled people is one of the major triggers of the crisis, since then unfortunately reflected in its political assessments, among other things.

The civil service has the theme of all forms must be seen as draft. The issue of salaries of senior managers is as has been amply discussed in the press a cosmetic operation that reaches the most absolute hypocrisy.

Moreover the cut of new staff a priori do not see it that bad, but not in such a disproportionate and foremost, if not, as always, with the hammer and without differentiating performances. An example: there are issues in the administration that are of great interest to the wider economy, such as the advancement of eGovernment in which it is carried by investing time, effort and resources and there is a shortage of important staff officer to carry them out. Besides this implies a high level of recruitment in the ICT sector, that is, and also generates employment in an industry that generates productivity. On the other hand witnessing a strip processing companies allows them to recover productive hours.

In recent years progress has been made both in resources invested, results are starting to get more staff as ICT in government and that is necessary to maintain this, but I fear, now short of rennet, and that means throwing in the trash after much time and effort.

Salu2 and effectively: let the fight for mortgage or no mortgage, use the Catalan, Galician and Basque in schools when we already have a language to understand each other and spend that effort on things that really matter to ensure a level of welfare acceptable throughout the country.

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# 49, Happy Day

June 26, 2008, at 10:30.

Officer # 6
Freeze salaries? officials first? and I thought that carry that wages frozen 12 years! Let's see if I'm going to be the only one!

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# 50, Solvent

June 26, 2008, at 10:31.

There are crises but can not dispense with the daily Marca, Via Digital, breakfast every day at the bar but I key 4 euros for an orange juice.

I can not dispense with the phone and eventually to 120 euros in calls to say that I arrive in 5 minutes, to call someone with that comment and just be silly, I can not dispense with this mobile when you're out the street and not it seems you're not wearing underwear.

I can not dispense with the van because I have a kid and that's what pega.No can dispense with the house of my dreams that costs 50 pounds, though, I have given my apartment that cost me 10 and I've sold 25.

My canes that do not remove me, my Canata, my terraces, my vacation .... ... More missing

In the same house are 4 cats, only works but you have to have a 4 vehicles for "egg" ... and clothing brand that if you do not spend 80 euros in Tommy does not wear a shirt.

I think everything is a matter of getting used to spending below what a cuenta.Pero in this country is well above the feign, and some people prefer to eat a pot and 7 days before thinking about the who will say.

Absolutely it gives me a U.S. model country, I have lived there for a while and I have many friends, friends who go from being a Bankers Plumbers of the night to mañana.No wanted to live in a country that every 45 seconds there is a violation, each two minutes a murder, but if I stayed with the couplet that is preferable to be the Plumber Don Pepe Jose mileurista the dealer.

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