Americans ....

One of the most famous films in Spanish history is "Welcome Mr. Marshall" in allusion to European reconstruction plan created by the American secretary of state Gerorge Marshall in 1947. Spain's plan that was on the sidelines as our country did not meet any of the requirements, mainly for having participated in the Second World War.

Basically, that plan could be found in the embryo of European unification and subsequent growth of the economy of the old continent which ultimately led to the Euro, the currency that competes more with each day the dollar. That if it is to keep cuervos.

Today we have another "Welcome Mr. Marshall" and is particular about my well-weighted and always admired Warren Buffet, who checkbook in hand, is willing to buy companies with the same ease as Victoria Beckham was buying some shoes. Therefore, sing that song you could hear in the movie Berlanga, specifically the chorus that said:

"Americans,
come to Spain
Beautiful and healthy
long live the tronío
of this great nation
with power,
Oleh Virginia,
and Michigan,
Texas and alive, that's not bad,
you receive
Americans with joy,
Oleh my mare,
Oleh my mother-in-law and
Oleh my aunt. "

In the undoubtedly economic news of the day, El Pais have also chosen the easy owner in his article "Welcome Mr Buffet" and tell us:

The president of investment firm Berkshire Hathaway did not want to disclose names or details. Only that will be companies that recorded annual net profit of at least $ 75 million (about 48.3 million euros). What we are not looking for big profits today, as their interest on them "is not geared to short-term." He did not give clues about the sectors for which tracks, but keeps an open mind. Has not even crossed out from its list of real estate companies because it is not particularly concerned about the slowdown in the Spanish sector.

No doubt, that if the company is one of the lucky traded, and its shares will rise much. The agency AFX quoted Adolfo Dominguez, Dogi, Dermoestética, Bavaria, La Seda de Barcelona and GAM, as values candidates. We will have to be very careful.

Yesterday I could hear in an economic famous radio station, which Warren Buffet did much of his fortune thanks to the Internet Start ups in the middle of the boom. Com. Curiously, at the moment I'm reading his biography and I can say that this is something totally false and that Warren never invests in businesses that do not know (prefers investing in Coca Cola and Gillette, for example). Ya see, to rely on radios and economic presses ...

What is real and must be rubbing your eyes to believe that either we see is the price of oil. Seems to lie, we saw nothing but the barrier of $ 100 like that, as a barrier and almost without realizing what we have at $ 130 and this has to continue to rise pint and go for very long. It's like what The Economist called in, "The day of the marmot oil":

"Another day, another record oil. Do you not think that every day we get up with the same story on a record of energy and a falling dollar? ". The quote is from Kevin Kerr, an analyst at energy of 'Outstanding Investments', a newsletter devoted to tangible investments (real estate, raw materials), which may Agora publishes a Financial (what sounds to me that me?). Well, Kerr raises the question that we all do: When did you finish the climb of crude oil and how far they can raise prices?

Their response was very encouraging for investors in this market and depressing to others: "I think the answer is that the oil can rise and rise much more, and that this summer will be extremely painful for U.S. consumers, myself included." His short-term goal is 140 dollars. A level which is just around the corner: a barrel yesterday grazed the 130.

Posts to make another similar film, we could talk about Buzz Light year from Toy Story and say that the price is going "to infinity and beyond."

Meanwhile, we have the data from economic growth to continue its path of rapid deceleration.

The sharp slowdown in consumption and investment were falling in the first quarter growth of the Spanish economy in eight tenths, to 2.7%, while employment increased only 1.7%, according to data from the National Institute Statistics.

Ojo, because we think "A 2.7% is not bad, and might well be all crises." If we look at quarterly data, which comes to us from January to April we have only grown by 0.3%. Because among other things, household consumption slows to 1.8% in first quarter

It is what it is, being all day glued to the computer. Exit out there, take a cane and do something for the economy of our country.

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# 1, Euribor up up!

May 21, 2008, at 9:54.

Good morning, everyone s,

I have been thinking and writing this morning ... so yes ... I have it ready! jeje! (freak that I am!)

Without intention to give you more humble view on the issue of rising Euribor ...

Since the day before yesterday we talked about the Theory of Evolution Darwin ..., I wanted to explain what would happen (in my view) if the Euribor more than 5% and which can trigger in different areas / sections / parts of the planet. To that end use another "theory" a little less famous.

I base that on what was proposed by Edward Lorenz (mathematician and meteorologist). who said:
The "butterfly effect" is a concept that refers the notion of sensitivity to initial conditions within the framework of chaos theory (let's call ECONOMIC CHAOS). Its name comes from an old Chinese proverb: "the fluttering of the wings of a butterfly can be felt across the world."

The idea is that, given some initial conditions of a natural system (that is, conditions of economic growth based on the brick), the slightest change in them can cause the system to evolve in ways quite different (say that the system evolves towards stagflation). Happening so that a small initial disturbance (that the Euribor limit of 5% and rebound significantly to the style when oil topped $ 100) through a process of amplification (Oil at $ 130, brutal strangulation of access to bank credit ( and pufo world's subprime), drastic reduction in consumption, lower house prices by 30%, 10% unemployment and inflation, according to the State 4% but the actual remains of 8%), you can generate a considerably larger (pain ... a lot of pain (as theory Atilano)).

Who Chorra an example for the pallet (whoever that is included in the "Theory of the Palette" Pareto) on the butterfly effect: If you release a ball just on the edge of the roof of a house several times; small deviations in the starting position can cause the ball to fall one side of the roof or on the other, leading to falling trajectories and final resting positions are completely different. Tiny changes that lead to totally different results.

This interplay of cause and effect occurs in all events in life (and not escaped the housing bubble as much as some wish). A small change can produce great results or poetically: "The flutter of a butterfly in Hong Kong can unleash a storm in New York" (the descent of the bag style crack ... 29).

The practical consequence of the butterfly effect is that in complex systems such as the weather or the stock market (or an economy so little developed and stable as the Spanish) is very difficult to predict with certainty in a medium time range (not to short or long !!!). Finite models that attempt to simulate these systems necessarily rule out information about the system and the events associated with it. These errors are magnified in each unit of simulated time until the error resulting reaches beyond the hundred percent.

Edward Lorenz was unintentionally one of the discoverers of the "chaos" (NOW WE NOTICE !!!). Among his most important works is the essence of chaos "(EJPAÑOL) where he recounts his experience with regard to this phenomenon, in which on page 137 includes its famous and unique story of the winter of 1961 (it will also be of anecdotes about the autumn -Winter 2008 ... where the pain is so great that last until 2012).

That's all.

I hope to have explained well ... or so I've tried.

And God's Will ... (if they still have ...)

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# 2, Euribor up up!

May 21, 2008, at 10:01.

By the way ...

Yesterday I found that I was a little hand to get to the "Pelocenicero" ...

Frikis are a bit ... but I do not think that is to insult, marginalize or anything like that.

They are the result of a generation of parents who have dedicated themselves to work like donkeys (both father and mother) and have left the education of their children to "street" and the school.

They have no family values ... and that is what is happening.

Pray so that you do not leave your children well ... because then dejaréis to get involved with them.

There is that.

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# 3, jdx

May 21, 2008, at 10:02.

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2008/05/20/barcelona/1211299273.html

q other more closed, the mythical bearer, princess, unno ... ..
q disaster!!

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# 4, erg

May 21, 2008, at 10:04.

# 1 Euribor up up,

I have read your brick and since then we must feel like to write this early in the morning.

I think it adds nothing new, you could have saved many letters explaining that a small change can lead to different situations in different ways. Then if you are a divergent be another positive and negative, so fifty / fifty. And then there mixing it with the cause-effect relationship ...

Very good morning for what was said, it remains so. You have a negative.

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# 5, FLIS

May 21, 2008, at 10:04.

Good morning everyone:

If we grow 0.3 in the first quarter is that we grow annual 1.2. In Spain they say that every tenth we grow below 3% are generated 50,000 unemployed, therefore, 50,000 x 18 = 900,000 more unemployed. If it seems like next year we will grow even less in two years we will have FOUR MILLION. What should have made the government and did not? What can I do now?. What can citizens do?. HOW THE THING you see.

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# 6, Euribor up up!

May 21, 2008, at 10:04.

What is my lovely Spain! that each passing day the news is more frightening, people everywhere to the strike, see textiles in the area of Catalonia, giving our friends the news Recorders style Atila, Chinese and others who do not see an immediate solution to the nonsense of these years, Endesa poniéndonos a further 77% their nightly rates, oil at $ 128 per scarce food and could well be tomorrow to collect the day's news why friends:
In the second half May God take confessed! And the pantheons Banking accounts healthy, because go to degüello without compassion.

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# 7, Mano H20

May 21, 2008, at 10:07.

Hello everyone:

Perhaps this news pretty well summed up the fundamental problem of substance that are being raised in the current situation in Euribor high housing prices to fall.

http://www.libertaddigital.es/noticias/kw/concursos/deuda/euribor/famlias/hipotecas/morosidad/procedimientos/procesos_concursales/quiebras/kw/noticia_1276330792.html

I also think that directly affect the ability of banks and boxes requesting additional collateral for the loan made pursuant diminishes the value of the mortgaged house.

Finally quantifies the number of people most affected by this situation.

Salu2 and we have respirito at 11 or 12.

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# 8, Carsola

May 21, 2008, at 10:07.

No shit because I get the Euribor Up, Up What happens here? Euribor Already I've Hakeado the computer? ... ... ... .. does not save you from burning the second half jajajajaja

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# 9, Fran

May 21, 2008, at 10:08.

# 1 Euribor up up!

As well say the systems are complex cuasimposibles to predict. To me, but for you too. Asi q follow your same theory I think the best thing you could do is shut up and not be as ominous because you either say we have no idea what a bitch q going to happen.

Greetings

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# 10, aleale

May 21, 2008, at 10:12.

Good morning, everyone / as
os story:
I've been looking at my bank the opportunity to make a novating variable mixed. (also a fixed rate, 5.70 is not that bad!)
I put it to 4.99 during the first 5 years (it is a promotion until July) and the rest to the Euribor +045, I left 16 years.
I ask him for expenses:
1% opening (which does not charge me), notary 350, registration 150 and
finance 225.
The real purpose of this change is to pull off 1 years and ahorrarma the interests of this year alone (3600 euros in my case) is leaving my hiccup in 15 years.
But what is good and:
I say that I do not take off also leaving the hiccups with the variable.
I ask him for expenses:
and these are:
225 of finance!! nothing more !!!!!
I am saving 3600 in exchange for interest expenses 225!!
I am flipo!
is the new mortgage law, is not there and we learned anything.
absolve you from paying notary and registration.
Boys / as pull with your bank, to extract the alternatives to improve the hiccups, take advantage now that they have more fear that eleven old

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# 11, FQ

May 21, 2008, at 10:13.

Good morning,
195 Single yesterday:

I liked your comment and your label of "happypotecado."
I said!, Something that may never make the "amarguialquilados." they do not think that there are many people, the majority, who pay less than the mortgage that rented tothe whom they never lower the quota. In order to continue and, if not them mortgages to mortgage their children themselves.

Greetings to all.

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# 12, Attila, King of the year

May 21, 2008, at 10:14.

Good post, Euribor up up!

If I may supplement it with a little state of the art, the economic discipline that considers the economy as chaotic is called "Artificial Economics." Currently there is some discussion among some economists' classic "Those who believe that everything can be predicted using relatively simple mathematical models, and the" chaotic ".

The artificial economy has been demonstrated effective in treating some problems, not only applied to the economy of money, but applied to other fields such as migration, traffic management etc etc etc ... Still, the economists' classic "do not want to lose his position of privilege before the defenders of chaos.

A few weeks ago I asked a German economist about the discipline "Artificial Economics," and why have so few followers. I replied that it was because they still had very few conferences and congresses on this and, therefore, researchers who studied economics in a Ph.D. could not publish enough articles in this discipline to do a thesis.

However, some time ago I read the book called "Discovering Artificial Economics," and, despite not being an economist, I understood very well. I think many of these concepts are applicable to other fields of knowledge, not just economic.

The book can be purchased at Amazon, but also is freely available on internet:
http://www.econ.iastate.edu/classes/econ308/tesfatsion/Batten.EntireBook.pdf

Although we do not talk about torture and fustigación to cipotecados, I recommend reading it.

I see pain, a lot of pain ...

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# 13, Almería

May 21, 2008, at 10:14.

Good morning, everyone s

As always I write, I do not have much time to write, but if you read before you reach the emissary of the attorney general, you count a poquillo as we are in Almeria, or at least where I move.

So we continue with embargoes and preparing more, on Friday picked 15 dossiers de Santander yesterday and 20, you do for an idea, I have come to have about 100 cases a week, and if we talk about Unicaja, 8 of the same family Gypsy We will remove the car, home and still have to be card carrefour and the personal loan, as banks could allow so many credits do not understand it, and the amount of negative steps that bring us to the courthouse pq 90% Foreign those who sought credit hour is gone and what happens to all of these loans?

Without saying as much data as names or the other time, you count a bit above this story as real as we are worse than before:

A woman called me the other day at the office, crying.
I asked Mrs happens.
And I said, my son has requested a mortgage of € 80,000 to Santander and it turns out that we had been the letter embargo.
I told him not to worry because, I tell the lawyer and will contact you.
I said, not whether the problem is that my son is gone with a Colombian at a village outside of Almeria and we do not know where you live or neither of na na, and the problem is that my husband and I assume my son and "you" I am going to remove the greenhouse and the house pq do not have that much money.

Imagine the woman with more than 65 years, she and her husband endorsed his son and now the judge and not as we think it has ruled that it be removed everything.
Santander, like other banks do not want houses, no cars or land or anything like that, he wants money, but will not pay you and I say this really, nobody, as this gathering everything we can.

Sometimes we want so much to our children, we do not see where
signed and it's going to ruin this family, who will take the entire bench warrant by a son, who has been with a Colombian.

I leave with you that I already have here notifications.

Greetings to everyone s.

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# 14, Ramo

May 21, 2008, at 10:16.

# 1, Euribor up up!

I fear that this billet, but not what you have written to him to see if you get the comment of the week. But even so I give you a +1 because I think you've explained concepts well ...

And much better than the chaos theory would dominate the Psychohistory to know where and how we will be in a few years.

Note: I had to edit the message ;-)

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# 15, Attila, King of the year

May 21, 2008, at 10:16.

# 4 erg,
We have lifted wafer bad, eh?

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# 16, Attila, King of the year

May 21, 2008, at 10:18.

# 14 Ramo,

say that chaos theory is useless in practice reminds me of when he went to elementary school and studied the polynomials. The teacher told us "this is useless."

No, it is clear that if you make the change when you buy a kilo of tomatoes you will not serve more than subtract know. I suppose that for a school district worker, with that there are already enough ...

So goes the country ...

It will be a degüello and without prisoners, for borrregazzos, mostly illiterate and greedy ...

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# 17, ANO-Nimo

May 21, 2008, at 10:19.

For all those who believe that the floors are not going to go down over price ....

"The potential demand for housing in Catalunya fall by 25% in five years"

the decrease in demand can reach 42% in ten years due to the reduction of migration flows and demographic decline in the number of young people,

http://www.lavanguardia.es/lv24h/20080519/53465482626.html

That is latent demand juas juas

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# 18, Eu

May 21, 2008, at 10:19.

Hello,
we hope that Mr Buffet could boost the economy a little Spanish, maybe other investors follow their example. Besides within about five years corterá of all EU funds and Spain will have to pay to be in the U.S..
If the economy does not grow (or there is only one sector on which the economy of the country) the risk that Spain is back again for a decade.

I hope that this will not pass because the truth is that they live very well here

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# 19, Anonymous

May 21, 2008, at 10:23.

Half a million unemployed in July will begin their return to work

Spending on unemployment protection will grow at 2,500 million by the upturn in unemployment
About half a million unemployed in July will launch its occupational rehabilitation, aided by a tutor. This was said yesterday by the Minister of Manpower and Immigration, Celestino Corbacho, who unveiled the plan Extraordinary Guidance, Training and Job Placement is "very prepared" and will enter into force within a month and a half, after which the autonomous communities den approval.

Corbacho explained that the beneficiaries will come from all provinces, and in its repositioning, will take into account the personal characteristics and territory of each, because, despite the fall of the placement in the building is large, the rise in unemployment ahead will "not be the same everywhere."

The minister stressed that it is "imperative" that the municipalities are present in employment policies and regretted the dysfunction between what they are studying youth and the needs of business. In this regard, he called for providing vocational training for prestige so that it no longer be considered the option of school failure.

Spending for the provision

Corbacho acknowledged that unemployment will rise in coming months but launched a reassuring message because there is enough money to cope with the cost of the provision, which was routed in about 2,500 million euros over the initial budget of 15,500 million.

The holder of Labor insisted that the coverage of unemployment will always be the number one priority. In his view, we must avoid any risk to endanger the provision, since it is an acquired right and funded with contributions from employers and employees. The latest data available (December 31, 2006) stood surplus of the Public Employment Service (formerly INEM) at about 3,800 million.

In fact, he argued that the existence of the coverage of unemployment and economic points of work prevent the Spaniards from communities where unemployment exceeds the average for the State, such as Extremadura, Andalucia, Castilla y Leon and Castilla-La Mancha, is shipped to other autonomies in which employment works best. "We do not have to emigrate to survive," he said at the time commented that the situation is quite different from foreigners, who probably will return to their country.

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# 20,'m poor

May 21, 2008, at 10:24.

Go brick morning Euribor up up! quiet, but now you are attacking Chinese and Attila ahiora connect to the hard core and support.

These are good cycles, it is clear that if banks do not sign credits by the Euribor, as are those who earn credits for signing dienro always be the Multi, and been thrown down that road, it is clear that in a state of freezing, its growth is zero and therefore thanks to globalization, no longer will have Spanish and European banks, they end up Japanese banks, American, Chinese, who will lead the market for credit to their markets, as it is a market that does not stop, each year there are people who want to compare a house, a car, and if you do not grant him the credit as their right mind will be made in order to buy it.

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# 21, Juan

May 21, 2008, at 10:28.

# 14, Ramo

Already, as a Psychohistory Harry Seldom (pardon the frikismo)

Edited: I just saw your change in the post, Ramo. Much freak reading the lock ;-)

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# 22, ZP

May 21, 2008, at 10:29.

# 5, FLIS

If we expect the government to do something?

BAD, VERY BAD.

What can we do?

To begin NOT expect anything from the top, of course. Not intimidate us nor get carried away. Although paint clubs, continuing our daily routine as far as possible and as far as everyone can. We should not take more risks with the necessary, but not stay unemployed, those who can not even let the wheel stops. Something like we have lived before us and no government policy out of the mess. When compreis something and you can choose, always choose what has occurred here. If you've got to do something to start by dispensing with what is not produced here or whose benefits do not impact on our country.

Could contribute more ideas or suggestions, but they in my opinion I think are some of the most basic and almost everyone can do.

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# 23, anonymous

May 21, 2008, at 10:30.

# 16, Attila, King of the year

May 21, 2008, at 10:18.

It will be a degüello and without prisoners, for borrregazzos, mostly illiterate and greedy ...

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ILLITERACY PU BE YOUR MOTHER ...
I am fed JOERRRR
the whole bloody day insulting ...

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# 24, NeoHipotecado

May 21, 2008, at 10:32.

Good morning, everyone. I have bought a house a few weeks ago ... IF YOU, ME HE MORTGAGES ...

I bought a house to a bank that had recovered after the failure of previous tenants. The house is a bit spoiled ... A good cleaning, disinfestation, some reform ... and live!.

It was a good buy, the house is large and well located.

Had long sought and in the end I found this house ... the current situation makes the difference. Before these things were not leaving the bank, within the same was done business with these properties. Now ... I saw an ad in a real estate portal with no more ... I do not know anybody in the bank or anything like that.

Rent, buy, who each do what it's up to you. I'm putting the egg and have a mine site (the bank, little by little me) with my stuff, hobbies and family. Not looking to do business, profitability or anything like that. I am 33 years old and my economy is not like to move money back and forth looking for income, apart from that is not within my area of expertise. I seek only to live.

As additional comment to clarify ... The house has cost me almost half the value of valuation. It is not a plum or even less, but if a sensible price.

Greetings.

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# 25, Elias

May 21, 2008, at 10:35.

good morning:

Mensjae a summary on the messages of today, and I leave with you this afternoon that I review (or of trabajr and studying is a bad thing, I say to you I)

Euribor up up, your first post for my taste, and you've got a brick in two sentences could be leaving, but good, was not one of you destroyer, but in the pelocenicero you I have a positive, the blame is the parents you , Are not with the children quedeberian what they are given all the vagaries, we can not say no because they were traumatized, so goes the country.

Flis, what they had to have done the governments (not this one, those of the past 12-15 years) is having used the wealth that built the genre in R & D, in anticipation of the lean (these)
. What is shameful is that builders now come with that 'Daddy, Daddy, we are ruined. " Oh, and when I say the same thing as having wealth, that there needed to count the black economy and various scams, that the figures for unemployment have never been real, but with unemployment figures of 15-20 years ago should have been in a Civil War (which hopefully will never happen)

aleale, what you say is interesting, but taking the Euribor +0.45 about 80,000 euros little cut I can do.

almeria, are you saying that the problem has been, people have been buying like crazy, without thinking about its limits, putting to parents, family members, and have fared well. But that is not so much cuñpa of banks as people who do not think.

I start with my studies, bye

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# 26, anonymous

May 21, 2008, at 10:35.

Atila

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# 27, demiurge

May 21, 2008, at 10:37.

# 1, Euribor up up!
May 21, 2008, at 9:54.
A tip: let the wikipedia and read a book of science really. Because copying and pasting run the risk of saying antics ...

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# 28, Attila, King of the year

May 21, 2008, at 10:38.

Anonima, I have not insulted you. You've been given by you've mentioned.

... You'll have your reasons.

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# 29, erg

May 21, 2008, at 10:38.

# 15 Attila,

pues creo que no, porque he leido tu post y he ido a tu link, (intentaré leer algo si tengo un rato), y te he dado un positivo….asi que mirate lo tuyo si eso vale chatín????

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# 30 , orbytus

21 de Mayo de 2008, a las 10:39.

#23, anonima

No te piques anonima… a los trolls ni caso…. yo ni leo los comentarios de este personaje.

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# 31 , gauss

21 de Mayo de 2008, a las 10:41.

Para #10 aleale

Hola aleale, creo que intentas decir algo de interés general, pero no logro entender el que, me he perido en:
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y ahora biene lo bueno:
me dicen que por que no me lo quito igualmente dejando la hipo con el variable.
le pregunto por los gastos:
y estos son:
225 de gestoria !!!! nada mas!!!!!
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podrias expliar exactamente que es eso tan bueno? no lo veo, sorry

Gracias

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# 32 , anonima

21 de Mayo de 2008, a las 10:42.

30, orbytus

es que me supera porque se creen dioses del universo, dueños de la verdad absoluta, y no son más que mierdecillas que pululan por aquí.

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# 33 , Single

21 de Mayo de 2008, a las 10:43.

#30 Orbytus

Es que Atila es un troll institucionalizado y muy profesional. El día que diga cosas interesantes, ¡será lo más! Por ahora, se limita a copiar el humor macabro de los maestros del cine, eso sí, con escaso éxito y acierto.

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# 34 , orbytus

21 de Mayo de 2008, a las 10:43.

#33, anonima,

Son trolls… y cuando les de el sol se iran secando… lo dicho, ni caso.

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# 35 , ZP

21 de Mayo de 2008, a las 10:43.

#16, Atila

“Así va el país…”

Sobre todo como nos creamos lo de la Teoría del Caos.

Su propio nombre ya deja a las claras que quien la elaboró y la denominó como tal es que debía tener la picha hecha un lío.

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# 36 , Fran

21 de Mayo de 2008, a las 10:51.

Me haceis gracia Euribor up up, Atila y cia. ¿En serio creeis que el que suba el tipo hasta el 6% va a ser la debacle que preveis?. Es una situación jodida. Pero el mundo ni se va a acabar ni todo el mundo q haya comprado piso lo va a tener que devolver, ni nada por el estilo. Es más. Si ocurre eso, lo que pasará realmente es que igual que Neohipotecado ha comprado a buen precio para vivir, quien tenga dinero fresco o credibilidad hipotecaría comprará a precio de ganga. Y en un tiempo tendrá bienes actualizados. Esto ha pasado ya algunas otras veces. Luego el ciclo volverá a empezar. Y vosotros mientras, podeis hacer lo que querais. Alegraos : pero tened en cuenta q hay mucha gente humilde cuyo único fin era tener una casa lo pasará muy mal. Y hay mucha gente con pasta q se forrará y lo más q le pueda pasar es q momentáneamente pierda un poco de valor sus “inversiones”. Tb podeis estar tristes porque al fin y al cabo este tipo de cosas al final siempre pasa factura a los mismos - entres los cuales estamos casi todos los q estamos aki . Sí, vosotros también a no ser que seais ermitaños.
Para mí lo triste realmente es que España eso tenga tanto peso en la economía, yq en estos años haya ocurrido lo q ha ocurrido. Lo triste es que teniendo el sol y el viento que tenemos no haya empresas tecnológicas que los exploten, q la gente invierta en eso, que no dependamos tanto del petróleo. Que haya un montón de gente q tb está en contra de las nucleares aunque sea como paso momentáneo para no hundir nuestra economía importando energía, q no haya mas gente preparada en TI que está siendo el fuel de economias como la India, irlandesa o rusa. Pero el hecho en sí de que la gente quiera tener casa, descontando este efecto pernicioso, no entiendo q sea malísimo. Es más. Es q quien lo vea así, para mí, es un progre (ser progresista para mi no solo no es malo. Es necesario) descerebrado con unos cliches dictados por un sector de la prensa. Veis ? Esa es otra cosa mala de este país. Como puede ser q la prensa tenga tanto peso???Como puede ser q un periódico como El Mundo pueda tener tanto peso como para poner en jaque a un gobierno??? O La Cope para un partido??? O El País???

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# 37 , De acuerdo con Euribor Up

21 de Mayo de 2008, a las 10:52.

#1

Totalmente de acuerdo contigo Euribor up up!!!…como bien dices eres un friki!!!!!!..al igual que todos los trolls que alimentáis vuestras insatisfacciones alegrándose del mal ajeno…gentuza.
Euribor down !!

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# 38 , jvr

21 de Mayo de 2008, a las 10:52.

No os preocupeis por este Atila,
Ayer me llamó bocazas y prepotente.
No sé dónde está la criba de Clopez o si le tiene ahí para dar caña. Lo que tb hay que pensar es que por gente como ésta, ocurre que otra mucha gente se cambia de foro, y me estoy acordando de gente muy válida y que aporta algo como Dumper, Enculator, etc..
Saludos a todos.

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# 39 , aleale

21 de Mayo de 2008, a las 10:54.

32 gauss
pago 225 euros de gestoria y le quito 1 año a la hipoteca,pasa de 16 años que me quedan, a 15. Al quitar ese año me ahorro los intereses que ascienden a 3600 euros.
todo viene a raiz de la revision de la hipoteca ( reviso en julio, con el referencial de mayo)me sube la cuota de 650 aprox a 685
aprovecho la revision y la subida para quitar tiempo
segun la nueva ley hipotecaria no te cobran ni notaria ni registro.
no tengo ni idea de que formula aplican pero ahí está
225 de gasto= 3600 de ahorro

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# 40 , Mickey Mouse

21 de Mayo de 2008, a las 10:55.

Decía un Presidente del Gobierno, dando clases al vulgo que recesión es que la economía durante dos trimestres consecutivos tenga crecimniento negativo. Y que eso no estaba pasando. Que nuestra economía es fuerte y esta mejor preparada que ninguna otra. Deseo con toda el alma que no tenga que tragarse sus palabras, pero me parece que va a ser así.

Y hala aa hablar con Ibarretxe ya Crear antecedentes politicos de paridad. Fenomenal, no me parece mal, pero resulta que la economía ha crecido el 0.3% intertrimestral. Cuando eso lo ha hecho la americana, se ha puesto todo el mundo boca abajo. Se dudaa si la economía americanba entrará o no en recesión, y su ultimo crecimiento intertrimestral ha sido 0.6%, es decir, el doble que la española.

hacía donde vamos?

Como aquí acumulamos los crecimientos. es decir, quitamos el dato del primer trimestre de 2007 y añadimos el del 2008, pues nos sale tan mono. Ole! hemos crecido un 2.7% veis como no está tan mal. Hala ya vivir.

La verdad es que hemos crecido un 30% respecto a hace un año. es decir ha bhabido un decrecimiento del 70%!!! (3 decimas versus 10) y un 62,5% respecto al trimestre anterior (3 decimas frente a 8).

Esto es un batacazo morrocotudo.

Que piensa el Gobierno, irnos soltando las noticias a cuentagotas hasta que nos digan que estamos n medio de la M, y que ya lo habían dicho.

Nos lo dicen despacito para no alarmarnos?

en los ultimos cinco trimestres el crecimiento ha sido 1-1-.07-0.8-0.3.

Si hacemos una curva de tendencia sale alarmante y hecha una pena.

Estimados Señores del Gobierno, mientras nos engañan piadosamente para que el “populacho” no nos cortemos las venas, les importaría reunir un gabinete de crisis para tomar medidas de emergencia.

A los del PP (para que no salgan del post isn lo suyo) les importaría cudarse menos de sus puesticos y plantear alternativas. Que anda que no les pago sus comidas y sueldos con mis impuestoss, señores, a ver si se enteran que trabajan para mí y no al reves.

Gracias por la paaciencia el que haya llegado hasta aquí.

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# 41 , moloMUCHO

21 de Mayo de 2008, a las 10:56.

Yo creo que Atila le pierden las formas, pero dice muchas verdades, muchas…

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# 42 , garrote

21 de Mayo de 2008, a las 10:57.

Almeria:

¿¿¿¿¿Esa história no la has contado anteriormente?????… creo que te repites.

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# 43 , Kane

21 de Mayo de 2008, a las 10:57.

#39, aleale

Pero si bajas un año la hipoteca, pagaras más todos los meses de capital no?

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# 44 , los

21 de Mayo de 2008, a las 10:57.

¿donde está aquel que se hacia llamar enculator? Según el trabajaba en una inmobiliaria con su secretaría y se pasaba conectado al foro todo el día… ¿ Habrá sido una víctima de la explosión de la burbuja? Es raro que no haya vuelto a aparecer… ¿ Lo hará con otro nombre?¿atila quizás?

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# 45 , Soy pobre

21 de Mayo de 2008, a las 10:58.

#28, Atila, rey de los anos

haciendo amigos.

#33, anonima

Esta claro que cada uno tiene su punto de vista, ellos estan exultantes porque estan sus predicciones, igual que en enero, pero luego mirar que febrero, esto es como cara o cruz, esta claro que los buenos tiempos no duran eternamente igual que los malos tiempos, pero si apuestas a uno de ellos, tarde o temprano será tu momento, y por tanto podrás disfrutarlo. Asi que no te rayes.
Esta claro que tiene razón ahora pero claro generalizando, pero esto siempre a ocurrido, claro que te hipotecas y arriesgas por tu hijo es normal, si te sale rana apechugas, pero si te sale rana en el peor momento… esta claro que son dos palos que te han dado a la vez, pero no por eso significa que este relacionado.

Un saludo

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# 46 , moloMUCHO

21 de Mayo de 2008, a las 10:59.

No, enculator está claramente en el paro y ya no tiene la conexión a internet gratis del curro…

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# 47 , Johnny

21 de Mayo de 2008, a las 10:59.

Buenos días:

Yo lo tengo claro. Por cada punto de subida del euribor, yo dejaré de hacer un gasto superfluo. Por ejemplo, cuando llegue al 5% dejaré de gastar en cafeterías; cuando llegue al 6 procuraré ir a restaurantes sólo en celebraciones familiares; si llega al siete, pintaré la casa con mis manitas; si por casualidad llega al 8, me ganaré unas perritas dándole clases particulares a hijos burros de los de “yo gano 4.000 trabajando a destajo (en B, y tú cobras menos en nómina, je, je). Ya lo dijo CJ Cela: “En España, quien resiste gana”). Un saludo a todos los foreros.

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# 48 , Emilio

21 de Mayo de 2008, a las 11:01.

Hola a todos. Ya estoy de vuelta de mi luna de miel. Y tras ver como está el panorama, creedme que me volvería a ir. HE pasado una semana en Suiza y unos dias en París y he observado que Paris,al lado de Suiza, es barato,y España…ni hablemos. Que nos cobren por un café 1 € es regalarnoslo. En Suiza el cafe valia sobre 5 francos(unos 3′25€) ya botella de agua pequeña, si la compras en algun super, 48 centimos de franco(0′31€) y 3-5 francos(1′95€-3′25€) en bares,tiendas y cafeterias. Creedme, entre que soy cafeinomano, el calor que hacia y que el coche en Suiza(ibamos con uno de alquiler) no se aparca en NINGUN sitio sin pagar, nos hemos dejado un pico en estos “triviales”gastos. Como miembro de este foro,por deformacion foril,he estado observando alla donde he ido, buscando edificios en construccion. Ni uno. Las gruas del paisaje de España, sólo se veian en las catedrales, casi todas en reformas y edificios historicos. Sólo en Montreaux, se estaba construyendo un Hotel de lujo, eso sí, sobre un edificio derribado anteriormente. Eso de construir en terreno “nuevo”,sólo lo vemos aqui, creo. Así que, si esto sigue así, estoy pensando en echar mi curriculum por alli, e irme una temporadita. Alli no hay mar, pero los lagos son para dejarlos ir. Y limpios. Como casi todo el país.

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# 49 , javier

21 de Mayo de 2008, a las 11:03.

Que verguenza! Tener que tratar a Buffet como si viviéramos en la España de los 50. ¿no éramos la octava potencia? ja!

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# 50 , aleale

21 de Mayo de 2008, a las 11:07.

43kane
al pedir los gastos para cambiar de variable a mixta y ver en cuanto se me quedaba la letra, pedí que en lugar de 16 años lo hiciesen a 15
por mucho que subiese la letra no llega ni de coña a esos 3600 de ahorro!!!! y sin contar que al rebajar el tiempo pago MAS DE CAPITAL Y MENOS DE INTERESES!!!
incluso me han dicho que los 225 seguramente sean deducibles.

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