The cache

Finance could be understood as the science that seeks to optimize resources while minimizing risk. Most of our emotional well as follow this pattern sound without often we realize. For example, when drive trying to find the shortest way to save money and time to evaluate various alternatives, including shortcuts, while we further optimize the route, usually with some sort of added risk (the famous "there is no shortcut unemployed).

In the book "The hidden logic of life" shows us some interesting, not least the book begins by analyzing the incredible increase in oral sex among young Americans. If we analyze "economically" oral sex is a "price" as low-risk pregnancy and contracting diseases is much lower than that of sex, therefore it would be the most appropriate choice for the small economist in all of us ( and that "small economist" is not a metaphor). Thus, what at first seems an immature behavior is much more rational than we think.

In computing, we have other methods to optimize resources, we can spend the dough on a server or we can install a large system cache. This system is what makes leaving memorized most frequently visited pages, so that when a user accesses the web, rather than having to load and access to the database page shows memorized. It is as if you work on your faq email address and opt, instead of reciting, have tattooed on your hand and save you spell your email.

As mentioned before, many times the resource optimization entails risks, this is what we did with the cache and some of our readers have been almost a week without seeing the site updated.

That was also what happened to banks in the famous subprime mortgage crisis, using a system of "packaging" mortgage (a shortcut to get better performance), but taking too many risks. Is the highest in finance and life, more risk than return, do not give you more turns.

In Cotizalia we read an opinion piece entitled: And the bomb exploded financially. When the search for profitability ignores risk (II). That is to summarize the current crisis on 3 points:

  1. Fatten the cow until bursting
  2. The speck in the eye of others and the beam in the
  3. Peep, peep that I have not been

In Spain it seems that this will not remain with us and to our world of fantasy and color and read with amazement the next release as Invertia "coupled to rapid credit: Spaniards pay more (9.25%) than Europeans consume" .

Consumer credit are two hundred basis points more expensive in Spain than elsewhere in Europe. The national average stands at 9.25% versus 7.21% applied to the forward transactions between 1 and 5 years in the Eurozone. Spain to invest more in the payment card and the recruitment of direct credit, a loan that is not based only on assets and guarantees to support a higher risk premium.

If at the end we will have what we deserve. Like it's because we know a lot of economy, not the poor that Warren Buffet recently said "Is it the economy? I have no idea "

Warren Buffett says that he has no idea of where the economy goes. And because you are not interested, he says, this is not your business. Are words that clash, coming of which is the richest man on the planet, and especially someone who has gained the nickname the Oracle of Omaha.

Of course, that what is involved is not to the economy if not to finance, which is certainly a guru. Meanwhile, other "gurus" are dedicated to predicting $ 200 oil, which go to whether you will or not but the truth is that it gives some fear.

In fine, friends, be very careful with the cache.

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# 1, Selectos

May 7, 2008, at 9:58.

Os dejos this theater, which explains the subprime mortgage market and those who are
Presenter: George Parros, you are an agent of investments
George Parros: I am, yes.
Presenter: And as you have checked the "pulse" of the financial market.
George Parros: Yes, one could say so.
Presenter: And last summer there were a lot of turbulence .... ... Volatility.
George Parros: If tremendous
Presenter: And what is the cause?
George Parros: Well we must remember two things about the market: The first is that it consists of very sharp and sophisticated people. Heads are the big world. And the second is that financial markets are driven by feelings.
Presenter: What does that mean?
George Parros: What does that mean? Well, things are going normally, and suddenly, without more, of these sophisticated people saying, My God! What will happen? Oh We've lost everything! What will we do? Ah ... .... ¿Salto for sale? Jumped out the window. Everyone. SOLD! , SOLD!
Presenter: Yes.
George Parros: Precisely ... and then one of those sophisticated people saying, "You know, I think everything is going well." And they all say, "I agree. We are rich, are rich "
Presenter: "Buy, Buy, Buy"
George Parros: Buy, buy, buying, yeah. And to call that "market sentiment".
Host: Yes .... Surely we are exaggerating a bit.
George Parros: Ah, well I do not know in August last year, when markets plunged in London is a well known firm issued a statement said, and I'm quoting, market players do not know whether to buy in rumor and sell on the news, do the opposite, no two, as the wind direction.
Presenter: Yes, and this is the kind of rigorous analyzes the salaries that these companies are huge.
George Parros: And some days later when the situation improves, a senior ABM said and I quote, back to happy days again
Presenter: No money to buy that kind of mature wisdom.
George Parros: Probably not. These people receive millions in bonuses.
Presenter: There have been actual causes behind the volatility of the market. Especially in the U.S. for many mortgages made to people who can not pay for properties that are losing value
George Parros: Where are the subprime mortgages.
Presenter: Subprime, if .... How does that?
George Parros: Imagine, if you are able to sit in a black unemployed demolished a porch, with a sleeveless T-shirt somewhere in Alabama. And a guy comes and asks Do you want to buy this house before it falls? We provide the money.
Host: And this guy is a banker.
George Parros: No, no. It is a seller of mortgages. Your salary depends on how many venda. So your assessment is very objectionable.
Presenter: Yes, yes, absolutely. And then what happens?
George Parros: Well, a bank buys the debt, the mortgage and other debts with similar packaging
Presenter: Without going into detail about ....
George Parros: No, no ... It's too boring ... so that is packaged and then goes to Wall Street. And something extraordinary happens. Somehow these packages risky debts, ceases to be and becomes a structured vehicle debt.
Presenter: A SIV
George Parros: If a SIV.
Presenter: OK, and then someone like you goes and buys it.
George Parros: Yes, and then call someone in Tokyo and I say, "Look, I got this package You want to buy? I wonder what's in it?. I would not have the slightest idea. I wonder how much I ask, I say $ 100 million. I said okay, and that's all. That is the market.
Presenter: And presumably happen several times with the same package. And if someone like you will make money with it.
George Parros: Do not expect to do anything. It is hard work ....
Presenter: On which these packages are very debt arriegasdas Why attract investors?
George Parros: Because these funds are very good free names.
Host: You mean companies that are respectable?
George Parros: No, no. Nothing to do with his reputation. You have very good names. They are very creative. For example, there is a well known firm, Bear Sterns, who has two such funds. They lost so much money they announced that they would get $ 3.2 million to keep one foot. Yet investors lost money

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# 2, Ing-less

May 7, 2008, at 10:08.

Euribor seek to enter into google and hopefully find the site updated. That sad, what little I have to make in this forum. Not for lack of interest, but of knowledge. But nobody comes, I start telling jokes ....
I deserve some positive, even for ready

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# 3, hipotecaohastalamedula

May 7, 2008, at 10:11.

We covered the law?

Today I read something in a local newspaper, something that surprised me:

"Areces keep the" penny health "despite the fact that the EC considers it illegal"
(Source: http://www.lne.es/secciones/noticia.jsp?pRef=2008050700_42_633753__ASTURIAS-cree-ilegal-centimo-sanitario-recauda-Asturias-gasolina "

Comes to be something like this, in 2004 began to charge 2 cents per liter on gasoline and 0.6 cents per liter on diesel fuel retailers to refuel, and maintained until 2008 in the EU is determined to be "illegal."

Well for now, they say they do not remove while not "alternatives" to the "financing".

I fail to understand, in my words cumbersome, this means that we were stealing since 2004, but now at this point, or give them the penny on the other side or continue doing what they want. Until recently, I thought when something was "illegal" could not be done, but I see that there are two types of "illegal":

- Citizen: If you commit something "illegal" you are going to put a hold on fine, and they do not carried, or you go to jail (for example, illegal driving without a license, newly implemented and by which insurance and have raised thousands or millions of Euros).

- Government: If we do something "illegal," everything will depend on the time we get to keep the habit can be established, and to eliminate having to put something like that. Mayors building "farms" of 3000 m2, and charge a levy because everyone, absolutely everyone who bought an mp3, printer, mobile hard drive, memory card for camera and other digital storage devices, and PIRATES ARE there are songs by people like Victor Manuel, Ana Belén, and LUIS Ramoncín COBOS. Scared me when it is determined the canon digital ILLEGAL come and they say:

"No way, let's see now who will give us 380 million euros was paid SGAE (remember that it is nonprofit, which I do not know is where the money goes) that we raise in 2007"

Well, Ojito all that you do not have "power" as your "illegal", they will remain and will have to pay. Meanwhile, the "illegal" the government will also pay for ALL mmhhh! This does not block me, AH! TREASURY must be because we all are.

Good morning and to be optimistic that the day after tomorrow is Friday!

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# 4, Alejandro

May 7, 2008, at 10:16.

To see what it does today ... We will reach the Euribor approved?. The response within a little hour.

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# 5, Breogan

May 7, 2008, at 10:19.

In the morning while breakfast and see the fresh news of the day I am bombarded with ads made quick TAES with over 20% and I always asked the same people are there to hire such an idiot ... because there are, xD.

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# 6, Solvent

May 7, 2008, at 10:19.

I hope CLópez Echesa one hand and remove duplicados.He had a problemilla with servidor.Gracias and apology.

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# 7, ANO-Nimo

May 7, 2008, at 10:24.

Good morning to everyone:

How is the book "The hidden logic of life"?
Did you read?

Clopez, I read the economist camouflaged and I liked but did not see that this is before spending the 20eurillos ... and tell us.

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# 8, Coconut

May 7, 2008, at 10:30.

Hello Mario, the theater said "Presenter: Yes, and this is the kind of" analyzes "the stringent that those companies receive enormous salaries"

It reminded me of that "analyzes" my neighbor when 1 has made a "blood analyzes"

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# 9, ame76

May 7, 2008, at 10:31.

# 3 hipotecaohastalamedula,

agree to disagree with medical cent. But no mistake, the government or financed by one side or the other fund. Or not funded, and then cut services. As simple as that. Could improve management efficiency and so on, but really this is independent of the above.

And the canon does not say anything because I encabrono unnecessarily.

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# 10, Ayalga

May 7, 2008, at 10:32.

Today we have a day full of good economic news:

Solbes cree now "very difficult" that inflation will moderate this year
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/economia/Solbes/cree/ahora/dificil/inflacion/modere/ano/elpepueco/20080507elpepieco_3/Tes

Goldman Sachs is likely that oil reaches $ 200
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/economia/Goldman/Sachs/ve/probable/petroleo/llegue/200/dolares/elpepueco/20080507elpepieco_1/Tes

unemployment and of course ...
The crisis raises unemployment in April for the first time since 1984

This latest news is bad because realmete Spain has cost a lot, always create jobs.
As mentioned these days there will be people who will more or less well to the crisis but it seems that society is increasingly polarized and they go wrong they go very wrong.

Social structure of New Spain:

5% of rich
70% of middle-class comes forward more or less well
25% of population in poverty or poverty line or poverty shameful.

or anything ....

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# 11, Sephyrot

May 7, 2008, at 10:39.

Hello everybody,

An issue to ponder: How will the Administration on oil?

There are excise taxes that have the following functions:

- Improve the allocation of limited resources in economic
- Replace a public price: The money raised goes to fund a public good or service.
- Direct control of the consumer: If the resource is scarce the price rises to reduce consumption.
- Taxing the consumption of luxury goods.
- Objective Collector: Certain resources such as snuff or oil have a huge potential collector.

In the case of oil, the Administration believes that private transport produces high social costs because the traffic congestion and pollution affects health.
It is a scarce resource so we must restrict their consumption makes the price.
Replacing a public price to build roads and maintain them.
Have a great taxing power because there are no substitutes i that makes the price can increase indefinitely because they will continue to consume a high volume of sales.

What does this situation?
Private vehicles that consume more pay more taxes. So when you see one or Maruja abuelete with Pathfinder or Chayane think you are maintaining or building more meters of road and traffic cops to maintain more than one coche1.400cc used.
For the Administration is a bargain that people buy these super cochazos engines and consume so much because it is a source of revenue like the brutal snuff and road tax.

Greetings!

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# 12, Fiby

May 7, 2008, at 10:40.

Very good morning to all,

First of all, then, that after several months of reading, is the first time I have participated in the comments. I should mention that my work is closely linked with the banking, real estate, economic and legal, and although my work may think that I'm from "ideas of risk," I am a conservative person who always encourages customers to head cold.
Now I have decided to write a few lines, as it is very interesting that everything discussed here, but today is particularly curious.

In the link of the comment that Carlos Lopez us today on the news Cotizalia, it is interesting that we refer directly to the UBS report posted on its website about the situation in which it currently is. Something that called my attention was that report that "in late 2006, the Treasury said a strong balance sheet growth, a significant reduction in the quality of guarantees and, in the last 12 to 18 months, assets have grown less liquid, in turn funded by liabilities in uncertain periods too short "

From my point of view, the situation is this: Pepito went to see Don José asking € 10,000 provided. Pepito had nothing of value with which to assure that, in case you can not repay the money, Don Jose could collect the debts, which had only paid on the job. "Not much money," thought Don Jose, and if that amount is added to the interest that would be higher to compensate "eventually earning twice what they gave him, so he decided to leave the money. As time passed, Pepito could not pay and as Don José was at first, but not the € 10,000. The problem arose when Don Jose, following the argument he had with Pepito, gave several seeds were found in the same situation. If you added all the money he lost, was ruined.

If we apply the fable to reality, we understand what has happened to banks, but if we are to blame, who would load the dead? A Pepito for wanting what they could not because it lacked the money or Don Jose, for being reckless and delivered? I think both are equally responsible, so who is to blame the banks or those who came to him?

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# 13, Flis

May 7, 2008, at 10:41.

Good morning everyone.

I think we have a crisis but mostly thinking. In Spain the law is not working and no one cares about that fear now, health is getting very Malita, denemos an unsustainable external deficit, ect. The common people are not able to analyze the situation and is fooled by the politicians in office, has no power of analysis, in an election does not punish mismanagement (see case of United Kingdom or France). There are people who vote psoe although this list as the head of an ass.
The people apparently lived well (good cars, vacations, bridges, dinners, clothing and sunglasses brand.) But if we do not pass it very badly in the future this country needs a thorough reform (labor market reform, health reform , pension reform, justice and above all zero wage increase for five or six years and that officials were working to bring those who do not as they should (dismissals)). I see short-term problems in the auxiliary automotive industry and this together with relocation of the problem, unfortunately the construction will we reach 4 million by 2012. Attila is right at the end many people will spend quite badly.

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# 14, Esparver

May 7, 2008, at 10:42.

# 3 hipotecaohastalamedula

I fail to understand, in my words cumbersome, this means that we were stealing since 2004, but now at this point, or give them the penny on the other side or continue doing what they want.

No. It means that a government says that another government is bad. Until there is a sentence no illegality. In fact, there is a conflict in a non-tax illegal (at least until the court of the EU rule, which is not in anyone's interests).

Anyway it is not quite understandable that a high rate of inflation for things that have nothing to do with the fee.

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# 15, jesus

May 7, 2008, at 10:46.

The floors have not increased!

I'm tired of hearing that if the flats have risen exorbitantly bubble ... that if all that is false and easily proven, thanks to the wisdom of my mother in law, namely:

Before the introduction of the euro my mother in law told me "this is the worst that will happen, things that are worth 100 pesetas worth a euro." Or what is 1 cent = 1 pta.

Surely today that it has taken more than one and you do not believe it, see, see:

The other day I went to make a photocopy at the Uni and I wanted to blow 5 cents, with a self-seeking di 2,5 cent. per copy ... uhmm years ago, with the peseta 5 pts in it cost me the paperwork to my home, 2 pts in copycentro ... curious.

Going to the movies cost me about 550 pelas, now go to the movies about 5.50 euros ...
A menu on the Uni cost 400 ptas me, I ate yesterday for 4.20 euros ...

And the thing is still ...

A terrace cubata in 550 pts, 5.50 eur today.

The cars, for example, cost me my megane 2,100,000 of the past, now a megane cost you about 21,000 euros (1.9 dci)

And it puts gasofa before ... .. 120 pesetas per liter now $ 1.20 ...

Dios, ¡¡he said my mother in law!

The mobile ... 4,000 pesetas before and now around 40 euros

Bread ... before 70 pesetas, now 75 cents ...

The coffee is now 80 cent 80 ptas

And now what we like best: A house .... Before where I live, about 24 million will buy a little more or less, about 70 meters square with the euro ... now ... is worth attention: 240,000 euros ...

Unbelievable but true!

Ergo ... it appears that prices have risen not only has passed what many said PTA 1 = 1 cent, or what is a hard twenty euro.

But ... then they came the problems ... easy, something that my mother in law told me "everything will go up less salary and what is the same, which won 150,000 pelas 1500 not win today, but some 900 poor eurillos ( and hopefully will go up to 1,000)

That is the key. Or is there a housing bubble was? Or is it just a name to hide the parity pta / euro?

The blame is shared equally among real estate, houses, cars, boutique bread ... we are entrepreneurs in the implementation of the euro in the sale were ready and the workers that when revindicar were fools ....

It is easy to say that banks, these entities untouchables are bad and not the governments (of any nature) not only did their duties and felt in the pocket of a few.

There is little ... ..

(Go take that tomorrow ;) )

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# 16, ca.o

May 7, 2008, at 10:53.

As I said before yesterday. I do not think anyone knows for sure where the crisis is. I do not think you can doubt that we live in times of change. Not only nationally, but primarily at the global level. Some third world countries are beginning to wake up, even though our economic interests, we can not do anything but cheer. If there are fewer poor people is better, but no doubt we will have to allocate energy and raw materials and labor of the world in general will go up in price and we will not have gangs around a hundred. No doubt the oil will rise to 200 and no one will have only a matter of time, the question is how long to go before the march of two years. Only we can save this increase alternative energy sources, Biodiesel? undoubtedly with the oil to 200 pays very profitable, but who can pay for rice, wheat, sugar ... all basic foods, we mean perhaps 30 € in shopping cart that although much pay But what about those poor countries in the world do not get out of misery? Will even poorer? I assume that people will die from lack of food within countries, but in those countries more people die. (Perhaps it should have a biodiesel excise to offset rising food) as real alternatives to the energy experts all suggest that only capable of being nuclear is really profitable. Great dilemma, There is no price ecologico energy (oil, wind, thermal, nuclear ..) no doubt that higher energy prices has taken to date is the oil, not just the boats that unden, losses of pipelines, wells burning, leaks in wells in the sea war. And pollution, but mainly we are destroying our planet, our ecosystem, the atmosphere, diversity, Antarctica, glaciers .... and do not forget our health, asthma, allergies, respiratory problems, cancer .... and yet they all stand on oil as the best alternative, because I do not understand, let me doubt. I'm thinking that nuclear energy or look approaching destruction of this planet, if charged to a millionth of victims. On the other hand that is so controversial policy, if we all know that is the only solution, not without problems, but more practical and less harmful than any other, does not create wars, or ambruna or millions of deaths by cancer, ... .. Neither has our cities and our lungs black, who cleans the dust from your home is well aware. Nobody complains that all this seems normal. Not who or how, but politics, society will have to make a turn to the problem of energy.

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# 17, Novato_74

May 7, 2008, at 10:53.

Clopez, have you changed the design of the website or my computer? I liked before. It was more like a previous design.

Fixed. It was my computer.

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# 18, Carlos Hanini

May 7, 2008, at 10:55.

What would happen if all those who have a mortgage us to "strike" and refuse to pay us until the bank or who has not put an interest rate just for us hiptecados. I do not think the banks were left with hundreds of thousands of flats and would have to cede mortgaged.
Greetings

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# 19, anonima

May 7, 2008, at 10:55.

# 5, Solvent
because you saw the program of adjustment accounts more normal ... if you can see the previous fliparías. These, after all, were a pair of 20 with a child's life they had been great.
The above were families who deserved what they pasaba.A shocked to see me as a family unable to make ends meet and have children at home without twenties stick to Algua "can not find work because of his own" but if they drive , fads, clothes ...

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# 20, ANO-Nimo

May 7, 2008, at 10:56.

The crisis is good ... ..

"The prices of apartments for the summer crash by the crisis"

http://actualidad.terra.es/articulo/2446961.htm

The rent never low, je je

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# 21, Iceman

May 7, 2008, at 11:00.

Hello everyone.

Clopez, in relation to the article today, I think the level is falling. And with regard to 'small Economist', it all depends on the "hidden logic of each pocket."

In relation to the cache memory of staff, should be applied and a lot in Spain. Not if each retains its cache Forero developments in economics before and after the elections, but for the citizen (a) that has ido 9M travel when I get back before the summer or later and listen to Mr Solbes and / or Mr Zapatero is to ask whether the country has returned ...

Important news related to oil:

Nippon Oil and China National Petroleum refinery planned a joint

http://www.cotizalia.com/cache/2008/05/07/70_nippon_china_national_petroleum_planean_refineria.html

Take note Mr Zapatero:

Microsoft begins the construction of an R & D center in Beijing

http://www.cotizalia.com/cache/2008/05/07/28_microsoft_comienza_construccion_centro_pekin.html

When money is allocated to the project IT and R & D Ministry of Justice?

Forero lords, have commented on the fact of unemployment in the month of April.

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# 22, hipotecaohastalamedula

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 11:11.

#16, Espaver
Comprendo perfectamente lo de la discrepancia de Gobiernos (UNO DICE QUE ES LEGAL, OTRO QUE NO).Pero como asturiano, NO entendí el que me metieran un “impuesto” cuando echara gasolina. Si es para un fondo común como es el gasto sanitario, lo deberíamos pagar TODOS, y no solamente los que echan gasolina (y de éstos solo los minoristas, eso encima…).

A ver si entiendes este otro ejemplo. El gobierno dicta que a partir de ahora, los que entran a leer este foro tienen que pagar 2 céntimos por cada visita, pero tranquilo, que es para financiar obras públicas. Tú te cabreas pero no tienes más remedio que pagar porque no hay otra opción ( con este ejemplo no valdría, pero me dirás a mí a ver qué hago yo para no pagar ese impuesto en Asturias, lo de ir a echar gasolina a León o Cantabria lo descarto… prefiero los 2 céntimos por litro, que teniendo en cuenta que mi coche puede llevar 50 litros, son 1 € por repostaje).

Te tiras 4 años pagando esos 2 céntimos y luego llega la Comisión Europea y dice eso es ILEGAL, anda!! lo mismo que tú pensabas, pero ahora te dicen, ahhh!!! santa rita rita, te voy a seguir cobrando porque me da la gana, y si no me pagas por visita me vas a tener que pagar 2 céntimos por otra cosa. Así que te quedas como estabas, eso sí, aún más cabreado porque ves que alguien te da la razón, pero como si nada.

En mis palabras cutres, NUNCA ENTENDÍ ESE IMPUESTO, DESDE MI PUNTO DE VISTA, ME ESTÁN ROBANDO, a quién se puede protestar por algo que no consideras justo???

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# 23 , sirialuna

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 11:16.

los bicios y lae economía…..vais alucinar con esto

hay una persona a la que conozco que su marido retirado sigue cobrando un sueldazo, ella por enfermedad no trabaja , y su hijo es un vividor.27 años no trabaja se busca excusa para no hacerlo, convenció a los padres para que le pusieran el prestamos del coche a nombre de ellos…
tienen un piso en barcelona centro y una casita en las afueras , y un hobby muy interesante el bingo.
bien no llegan a final de mes , pero en vez de solucionar su situación económica prefieren ir llorando aa pedirle dinero a sus mas allegados diciendo que no tiene para comer, que tiene que pagar muchas cosas, dinero que le han prestado ya no lo han vuelto a ver ya la semana ya se lo estaba gastando en el bingo si no hay para comer que hacen en el bar todas las mañanas desayunando, su hijo tocandose los huev……en casa, se gastan mas de 400 euros en tabaco al mes ya que los tres fuman, pero se siguen sintiendo unas victimas de la sociedad y con derecho a pedir. Cuando ya se han visto ahogados, porque le toca pagar hacienda uno dineral, y por varios créditos que tienen, nos enteramos que resulta que tiene uno de esos que te prestan 3000 euros a muy altos intereses….y la solución que se le ocurre es pedir otro crédito para pagar los otros créditos(vay solución suicida)
el casa es que el piso de barcelona no lo utiliza para nada, bueno si para que su hijo viva alli estupendamente sin trabajar ni pagar nada.

no creeis que la solucion e svender ese piso den lo que le den porque está cuentame de hace 40 años , y pagar todas sus deudas, se arregla la casita la otra y le queda dinerillo para ir tirando…..pues no ella la mejor solucion es pedir a los demas dando pena.se lo das y claro a la semana ves que esta en el bingo.

eso tiene una palabra y se llama vividores a costa de los demás , de que es extrañar que el hijo le salga igual.

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# 24 , JAC

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 11:16.

#22, ANO-NIMO

Quizá se debería hacer distinción entre artículos de 1ª necesidad y artículos de lujo.

Lo coherente sería que los de 1ª necesidad, mantuvieran/bajaran su precio y los de lujo se incrementaran hasta las nubes.

Pero como estamos en la ley de oferta/demanda, y ante esta crisis, el lujo se demandará cada vez menos, por lo que el resultado es inverso al coherente… resultado:

Alquiler de vacaciones = lujo = baja demanda = disminución de precio

Alquiler vivienda habitual = 1ª necesidad = mayor demanda = aumento de precio (a esto ayuda la ayuda(valga la redundancia) de los 210 € famosos.

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# 25 , Pratenc

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 11:17.

#17 Jesus

Por curiosisdad, ¿donde vives? Soy de Barcelona y por lo precios que mencionas aquí nos han tomado el pelo todavía más. Debemos haber sufrido una parida Peseta/Libra Esterlina, por que:

Entrada de cine 6,80 €.
Barra de pan 0,90€.
Cafelito 1,20 €.
Piso por 240.000 € = Zulo a reformar sin ascensor de 50m2.

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# 26 , isolda

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 11:19.

hipotecadohastalamedula, yo también soy asturiana, y estoy totalmente de acuerdo contigo, pero lo que más me sangra es que esos “beneficios” sanitarios no se ven por ningún lado. Ni hay más médicos, ni es más rápido a la hora de las citas a los especialistas ni hay nada nuevo, y encima el hospital de Oviedo (en construcción) tiene unos sobrecostes de la leche.
Amos, que pagamos y va todo a una bolsa rota, por que beneficios ninguno.

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# 27 , anonimous

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 11:20.

#14 Te planteo otra historia.

Don pepito consigue su préstamo, y Don Burbu siente una terrible envidia porque
él no tiene ese dinero. Entonces le empieza a comer la olla a Don pepito: “Mejor dame ese dinero a mí,
porque he leido el horóscopo y dice que mañana no podrás pagarla. Tu vida se arruinará. Lo dicen los números.”

Don pepito no puede contener la risa y le manda a freir monas.

Entonces Don burbu va a pedir un prestamo similar a Don José, pero Don jose le dice que no es de fiar. Extrañado, Don burbu dice: ¿Y don Pepito es más de fiar que yo? A lo que Don josé responde: “El tenía ahorros, su familia le avaló, y además vino a pedirme un prestamo cuando yo todavía tenía dinero. Ya no me queda dinero que prestar”.

Al pasar el tiempo, pepito no pudo pagar los 10.000€, y Don José le reprendió y le arruinó a base de embargos.

Don Burbu se alegraba de la desgracia de Don Pepito. No sólo porque Pepito ya no le restregaría su dinero, sino porque Don José se había cobrado la deuda y ahora tendría dinero para prestarle a él.

Entonces Don Burbu volvió a ver a Don José: “Préstame dinero, ahora que se lo has embargado a Don Pepito”

Entonces Don José sin moverse levantó la mirada a Don Burbu y le dijo: “¿Tú te crees que después de lo que me ha pasado voy a darle mi dinero a seres miserables que no tienen donde caerse muertos?”

Don Burbu se fue cabizbajo asumiento la realidad que nunca quiso aceptar: que era pobre, y que siempre lo sería.

Así que todo quedó como al principio. Don José era rico, y los demás pobres. Chimpón.

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# 28 , Anónimo

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 11:24.

yo alucino con algunos foreros, de verdad!
20#
huelga de hipotecados… cuando pediste la hipoteca te pareció justo que te dejaran un dinero que no tenías? te pareció justo el precio que pactaste con quien tú quisiste? no creo que a nadie le hayan forzado a firmar una hipoteca que necesitaba para la casa que libremente eligió comprar. Otra cosa es que compraras una casa más grande de la que podías pagar o en un sitio mejor del que podías permitirte, pero venir ahora con que no la vas a pagar, ufff me parece muy fuerte. Qué tipo de interés consideras justo??

23# Iceman
hipotecas a 25 años??? quién no te la hace a esos años? cualquier banco que se la pidas te la da a 25 años, luego lo que estás pidiendo es que al resto no se la den a más años. Supongo que de esta manera piensas que al tener menos acceso a las hipotecas, se venderán menos pisos y bajarán los precios. Pues nada, limitamos también a un nivel de ingresos, a un nivel de intelectualidad y que sólo compren unos pocos para que les salga más barato.

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# 29 , Fausto

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 11:24.

Euribor Semana 4,255
Euribor 1 Mes 4,386
Euribor 2 Meses 4,676
Euribor 3 Meses 4,856
Euribor 6 Meses 4,879
Euribor 12 Meses 4,96

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# 30 , JAC

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 11:25.

#29, anonimous

Buena la fábula, faltaría el final, indicando que hizo Don Jose con todos los pisos embargados y sin querer dejar dinero… ¿montó una inmobiliaria?… de cualquier forma, bonita fábula… ¿es de Esopo?

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# 31 , anonimous

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 11:26.

#17

900 euros al mes???

pues vaya mierda de sueldo, aún en los tiempos que corren. No se como alguien que gana eso se plantea si quiera que puede aspirar a algo…

Si uno gana 900 euros al mes, no puede dar muchas lecciones de economía, creo yo….

Los que tienen pasta, no reprenden a sus vecinos por su manera de gastar el dinero.

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# 32 , JAC

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 11:28.

#31, Fausto

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 11:24.

Euribor Semana 4,255
Euribor 1 Mes 4,386
Euribor 2 Meses 4,676
Euribor 3 Meses 4,856
Euribor 6 Meses 4,879
Euribor 12 Meses 4,96

Parece que llega una estabilidad dentro de la inestabilidad…. ¿no?

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# 33 , TRI

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 11:32.

SE ACERCA EL 5%

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# 34 , JAC

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 11:34.

#32, TRI

Esto me suena a aquello de ¡ que viene el loboooo !!!!!

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# 35 , TRI

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 11:40.

Auuuuuuuuuuuuuu que mañana se reune Trichet ….

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# 36 , Fausto

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 11:42.

#33, JAC

Si… parece que si… despues de la reunion volvera a bajar hasta el 4,7 o asi supongo, el mes que viene rondara el 4,5 otra vez.

Dios… este foro continua igual de contaminado con los trolls…. creia que despues del puente se quedarian en el.

Buena estrategia de la cache pero no ha funcionado xD

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# 37 , JAC

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 11:43.

#34, TRI

Mmmmm.. ¿Trichet?….. ¿quien es ese Sr.?…..

¡ Ah ! ¡ya!, ¿no es aquel que habla mucho, pero no dice nada?

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# 38 , Martínez

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 11:44.

Estoy con Fausto, por mucho que duela admitirlo, estamos en un euribor de lo mas normal, (estoy hipotecado) tenemos dos opciones, o acostumbrarnos a esto , un punto arriba otro abajo, o esperar a que la crisis obligara como en EEUU a bajar tipos, que de sto no depende España sola esta toda Europa, yo prefiero un euribor estable entre el 4 y el 6 me estrañaria que subiera al 10 como dicen algunos por aqui.

Un saludo.

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# 39 , JAC

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 11:52.

#35, Fausto

Sería lo coherente, pero ya se buscarán algún dato/notícia para justificar algún tipo de “nueva desconfianza” para que los que SI pagamos religiosamente, corramos con el coste de la prima “enjuagante” de su morosidad creciente.

Justifico (para los incondicionales del “te jodes ¿porqué pediste dinero?.. ahora lo devuelves con el interes que quieran”)

Cuando solicitamos nuestras hipotecas, deberíamos haber sido conscientes de que el tipo era variable y haber previsto que el BCE no los mantendría siempre entorno al 2%, pero lo que no es de recibo es que paguemos una prima, de 50 puntos básicos, sobre el diferencial porque entre los bancos haya desconfianza o por lo que ellos quieran contar.
Se debería regular de alguna manera el diferencial TIPO BCE/EURIBOR

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# 40 , ANO-NIMO

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 11:55.

#24, JAC

Está claro que uno es necesidad y lo otro no pero en alquiler de vivienda habitual también se moderarán los precios porque muchos vendedores de pisos de segunda mano que no pueden vender su piso acaban por alquilarlo, porque un piso vacio es un gasto. Además las grandes inmobiliarias también están comenzando a apostar por el alquiler. Oferta va a haber mucha en alquiler ya que sobrán pisos, unos 1.500.000

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# 41 , isolda

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 11:55.

Ais, quien ganara 900 euros al mes, anonimous, para pagar una hipoteca y vivir no creo que de, pero si que te pueden dar lecciones de economía para como pasar el mes con 900 euros y no morir en el intento, Dios, que de provecho se le puede sacar a un pollo jajaja :P, filetes, croquetas, caldo, psé y eso que es un ave de 2 kilos y poco, si llega a ser un avestruz acabo con el hambre en el mundo jajajajaja.

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# 42 , iceman

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 11:57.

Hola a todos.

Para “#27, Anónimo”, simple y sencillo.

a) Jubilación tranquila.
b) Inmobiliaria/Promotora/Constructor fija un margen de beneficio NO BURBUJIL.
c) Alquileres más baratos sin necesidad de ayudas (220€).
d) Realidad de cuota en el caso peor para el futuro hipotecado.
e) NO al negocio con la vivienda como un bien de primera necesidad.
f) Esta medida obliga a nuestros gobernantes a NO CENTRAR a la 8ª potencia económica a base del ladrillo y buscar otras fuentes de desarrollo económico: industria.
g) NO al problema SUBPRIME.
h) Ordenación controlada del suelo.
i) No a la edificación masiva en cortos periodos de tiempo.
j) Aumento de la NATALIDAD.
K) Aumento del consumo.
l) Baja la inflación.
ll) NO a la posibilidad de aumentar y sobrevalorar una vivienda por la posibilidad de aumentar una hipoteca hasta 50 AÑOS.

Podría seguir todavía más, pero creo que es suficiente. De nuevo reivindico:

FIRMA HIPOTECA A 25 AÑOS 1ª VIVIENDA.

sugerenciaHIPOA25@yahoo.es - Se necesitan colaboradores.

firmahipoveinticinco@yahoo.es - Recogidas 100 contactos y en aumento. Nombre + Apellidos + email de contacto (NO NIF NO DNI)

“Linces por borregos.”

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# 43 , Jarril

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 12:11.

#5, Breogan

Lo chungo de esos anuncios de créditos, aparte de los extraordinarios intereses, es el público al que va destinado.¿Quién puede necesitar pasta rápidamente, al interés que sea (posiblemente sin saber lo que es el “interés”) ya la vez estar viendo la tele por las mañanas de 9 a 12 aprox.? ¿Parados / Jubilados?
Y no será precisamente el público al que va destinado un colchón lomonaco… (Aunque vaya usté a saber si el crédito lo quieren para un colchón)

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# 44 , jlumietu

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 12:13.

#27, anonimous

Ahora te planteo yo unas modificaciones;

Resulta que deon Burbu es una persona de similar nivel adquisitivo y estrato social que Don Pepito, no es ni un sin techo ni un muerto de hambre, ni siquiera un despilfarrador de los de BMW serie M financiado a 10 años.

Su único pecado es hacer nacido 8 o 10 años después que Don Pepito, y en lugar de acceder al “mercado” (sic) de la vivienda en el intervalo 1998-2000, lo intenta en 2006-2008, cuando se encuentra que por los excesos cometidos por promotores, banqueros, timbiliarias, pasapiseros y, por que no, pepitos, ni puede acceder a unos precios de ladrillo estratosféricos, ni consigue financiación…

Conclusión, están apañados, tanto don Burbu por no poder acceder, como don Pepito, que se comerá la hipo puente cuando no pueda vender su pisito actual para comprar el duplex de nueva construcción… y ya sabemos como sigue la historia

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# 45 , sam

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 12:13.

Firmé en marzo mi hipoteca con revisión anual excepto la primera revisión que es a los 6 meses. De esto último me alegré cuando firmé porque en esos días el Euribor estaba aun por debajo de 4,5% y lo más importante, a los bancos (ya Solbes) se les llenaba la boca con lo de que el euribor iba a bajar, y con aquello de que “el euribor ha tocado techo”, que quedará para la posteridad como aquellá célebre frase de Bush Sr.: “read my lips, no new taxes!”.

Felices me las prometía y me estoy viendo venir el ostión cuando llegue Septiembre y me revisen con el euribor de Julio. ¿Alguien me podría aventurar (abstenerse Solbes, BBVas y resto de iluminados, ah! y Atila y sus fustigadores, que para amargarme ya me basto yo solito) por donde andará la media del euribor de Julio?

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# 46 , krollian

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 12:13.

#3, hipotecaohastalamedula

¿Ilegalidad? Zaplana, Taguas, los Albertos y un larguísimo etcétera. Políticos mediocres, justicia y banca van de la manita. Y al ciudadano corriente y moliente con nómina le dejan pelao, pelao…

Sólo en el sector de la construcción, no damos abasto con los titulares… y la Justicia de este país tampoco.
Leyes que se cambian o no se cumplen, burocracia inoperante. Y si no nuevos marcos políticos (llamense estatutos de Autonomía o como se quiera) que sencilla y llanamente buscan legislar a favor de unos pocos para fastidiar (por decirlo finamente) a la mayoría. Buscar mas dinero para administrarlo a su manera.
Y la plebe, ahogadita…

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# 47 , JAC

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 12:16.

#40, ANO-NIMO

Lógicamente cuando la oferta supere ampliamente a la demanda, bajarán los precios, llevas razón.
De momento, en cualquier página inmobiliária, la proporcion venta/alquiler es de, como mínomo de 200 a 1……
Todo depende de la celeridad en el aumento de la oferta.

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# 48 , mario

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 12:17.

Las finales de la Champions League para España:

- España, país de UE con mayor caída interanual de ventas minoristas en marzo
http://www.invertia.com/empresas/noticias/noticia.asp?idDoc=1948826
- España encabeza los países de la UE donde más subió el paro
http://www.elmundo.es/mundodinero/2008/04/01/economia/1207041841.html
- España, país de UE con la mayor caída de producción inmobiliaria
http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2008/01/17/suvivienda/1200568046.html
- España, el país más afectado de la UE por la subida de las materias primas
http://www.abc.es/20080422/economia-economia/espana-pais-afectado-subida_200804220251.html
- España es el país de la Unión Europea que más incumple los objetivos del Protocolo de Kioto
http://www.eldiariomontanes.es/20071128/sociedad/espana-pais-union-europea-20071128.html

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# 49 , Pratenc

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 12:17.

Sobre lo de la hipoteca máximo a 25 años me parece que va a caer en saco roto. Los bancos no van a renunciar a chuparle la sangre a la gente durante 30, 40 o 50 años. Y la gente que tiene más de 25 años, mucha, montaría en cólera.

De todas formas, pienso que sería una buena medida. De echo, uno de los muchos motivos de nos han llevado a esta situación ha sido que los bancos se hayan saltado sus propias reglas a la torera. No sólo los años de hipoteca, sino dar más del 80% del valor y por encima del 40% del sueldo.

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# 50 , sam

7 de Mayo de 2008, a las 12:18.

encima el diferencial del primer periodo (6 meses) es más bajo, 0,17% ya partir de Septiembre me aplicarán el “normal”, 0.41%, luego hay que añadirle un 0,24% extra…menuda “Trinchada” me espera…

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