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Confusion confusion

"CONFUSION OF CONFUSION, Dialogues between a philosopher curious sharp, a discreet merchant and a shareholder scholar" is the first book bag of history, written in 1688 by the Spanish D. José de la Vega. I leave a few lines of the book, I've found here.

Philosopher: What business is it that though I often heard him, nor understand, nor have I applied to understand, nor have I found any book that talks on him to be understood?

Shareholder: Well I say that you know nothing, oh Barbon [bearded] friend, because you have no knowledge of an enigmatic business, which is the most real and most true that Europe is the most noble and most infamous who knows the world, the finest and coarsest exercising the globe: the map of science and epitome of intrigue, a touchstone for the attentive and stone tomb of the bold, treasure and incentive earnings leaped, and finally, a portrait Sisyphus never rests, and a symbol of Ixion who always live in a wheel.

Filósfo: Do not you deserve my curiosity a brief epilogue of this trick, and a compendious statement of that riddle?

Merchant: I also beg you, go so tired poque commissions, heaviness and turns, which would apply to this new job, to see if I can Aquisto fotruna and one out, at the cost of risk, so many pains.

Shareholder: The best and funniest of all is that, without risk, poddéis der rich, and without exposing the flow of storms, for [correspondence], disbursements, warehouses, delivery charges, cash, bankruptcy and other accidents, serendipity, you are on the verge of achieve affluence, changing only the name on the errors: so if the Hebrews, suffering from dangerous diseases, they change their name to get the improvement, simply acknowledging that the shareholder is wrong, change the name to get rid of all the dangers that threatening, and all the scares that worried. "

The book also gives us some interesting tips:

  • "If suspicious, do not sort, and if ordered, do not panic"
  • "A thing, you, suggest a discreet"
  • "To hold pride with a loser is not a feat, but cowardice"
  • "There are speculators whose delight is not knit networks but do hooks"
  • "Not wanting to take precedence at the higher gain the greatest danger, but earn little and gain safe"

Interestingly, as after over 300 years many of the tips and principles shown in this book remain fully valid.

If I were now writing a book describing the current economic situation, no doubt also titled "Confusion of confusion." If not, tell that to the poor Icelanders, a small land with natural resources being one of the countries most affected by the current crisis. So what we have in the world: Iceland, a small country by a giant frozen financial crisis.

Since the beginning of the year, the Icelandic krona has depreciated by 25% while the stock market has plummeted 40% since last summer. Moreover, inflation rises to 6.8% and interest rates reached 15.5% last week. Moreover, the imbalance in their trade balance is charged, primarily because consumer spending in recent years.

You were talking about it the other day on the blog friend "gurusblog" in his article "Hedge Funds Iceland attack"

Probably, this forgotten island of 300,000 people is the main victims of the credit crunch that began last August. It is somewhat paradoxical that one of the countries with the highest per capita in the world (about $ 54,000), with an unemployment rate touching the 1%, the fourth largest country productivity rate in the world and that 99 % of electricity generation from renewable sources, and whose economy had grown at rates of 4-6% in recent years, this now seeing as his entire financial system (banking and state) is in check.

As you can see we are talking about sustainable development paradigm and can go bust.

Even if we talk of confusion, are the growth forecasts for Spain this year. The government says a number, the IMF says in half and Banco Santander reaches and stays between the two saying that believe that the Spanish economy will grow by 2.5% in 2008.

Banco Santander estimates that the Spanish economy will grow by 2.5% in 2008, more than a point lower than the previous year (3.8%), following an unfavorable environment and adjustment in the housing sector.

This forecast is above other much more pessimistic as the IMF (1.8%), Func (2%), and even the Bank of Spain (2.4%), but is still far from 3.1% who still holds the Government.

Well, at least everyone thinks that something will grow ...

And to finish and revive the debate "buy vs rent" and stop talking about transfers (with their synonyms) I leave an article that appeared yesterday in The Country: Spain wakes the car.

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# 1, H20 Maño
April 21, 2008, at 9:44

Buy or Rent DICES?

Who are the opportunists in now? Who is going to make or take advantage of the crisis? Who will benefit from falling prices of flats?

To give an example. Apartment of 127 m2 in the center of Zaragoza released 10 months ago by 468.000 € for transfer of city property owners. If the floor had been released 4 or 5 months earlier, would have removed from the hands. Several scouts are watching waiting for the opportune moment to sink its claws into the vendors increasingly need to sell. Last Saturday was offered the floor for 318.000 €. It is the seventh cut in ten months.

In other words, in ten months, the price of this floor has been lowered by 32%

Sure the price was more than swollen, but is what makes this time was sold. The owners, who know well, they simply ask what was the normal selling price and hung the sign for those 468,000, ready, because I was in a hurry to cut up to 10%.

The situation is sociologically more interesting: many pasapiseros and speculators of all kinds, sort and condition, desperately seeking a way out of the finger caught they have suffered. By contrast, others who were looking for anything with your property speculation (but not be labeled by giving away Cardelino telos or the floor), got caught by the estate of this insanity bull hide.

Does anyone know what they are called the vultures are currently a field of corpses waiting to see the big feast? Who has the fresh pasta to go to sac to buy apartments at bargain prices? (Look out for some bargains, others at the price they should be).

I suppose the easy answer is that banks, boxes, etc..

Are you sure? You do not know any particular with the increasingly pale complexion who would grow and sharpen it, surprisingly, the fangs (at your age, things), a drop of blood hanging? (Yeah, yeah. And rubbed his bony hands nervously).

Beware neovampirillos because these are about to spread its wings convinced that the future pensions are in serious jeopardy. Somehow the poor who have ensured the future. Or not?

It's war. Every man for himself.

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# 2, ANO-NIMO
April 21, 2008, at 9:49

This seems to be sinking at times ....

The same floor in various media and dates ... but less and less money (that's strange because the house never drops)
First 160,000, 07/12/2007
then 150,000
and 140,000 21-02-2008
139,000

and now further fall
132.500euros !!!!! 17/04/2008

17% drop in city Zaragoza EXPO 2008

http://zaragoza.campusanuncios.com/piso-1083642076X-PISO-EN-Zaragoza.html
http://www.mundoanuncio.com/anuncio/arrabal_economico_1158140745.html
http://www.segundamano.es/vi/10263336.htm

That floor for 2 years ago in Zaragoza 160.000e would take it out of hand ...

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# 3, anonymous
April 21, 2008, at 9:50

people sell to the desperate. The new money that will sell in a few months, the uqe not buy too. After a while people will want to invest that money in the bank and buy again. The flats will rise again and again rotated the wheel.

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# 4, hipotecaohastalamedula
April 21, 2008, at 9:53

Since I've won the election ZP thinking about how his nose was going to do to return the 400 € and I am not clear yet.

Now he says he is going to give 200 in June and then the rest divided into December, but ... that happen to end the year?

If I lose my now give you finance those 400 €, if it reaches end of the year, calculate how she held me, how I had to hold, probably to pay back those 400 €, ie if the tables are not changed these típidas 17%, 15% etc. .. as they charge, then I imagine what's going to make ZP is "borrowed" 400 € that we have to return next year to make the statement of income.

Can someone explain this??

The fact that these "400" € I am sure that:
A. - There will be 400
B. - They will not be given away.

It will be something like the other crooks (banks) where you give away a TV by putting money to run. I give it away, but then have to declare a property as compensation in kind .. often as a gift ...

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# 5, Erasmo
April 21, 2008, at 9:57

Most bought when we need and sell when there is no alternative and so is very hard to make money, if not sheer luck.

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# 6, font
April 21, 2008, at 9:59

I am sorry to say but let's by 5%.
This tranchete not going to do anything? only concerned with inflation?. There is no one who can bring order?. The price of money is at 4%, rather than 4.5% were with the Euribor to 4.8% -5% would be calmer, at least understand a little further.

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# 7, sirialuna
April 21, 2008, 10:00

good morning a tod @ s, the Euribor continues along the clouds, gasoline, food, electrodomésticios .... but we must be thankful that at least we have food to eat, a roof to be hot. I not your grandparents or parents if you have the war stories, but compare and say if there is a crisis (who was affected) but we can sleep and eat hot. Formerly there was a crisis, or had for nothing.
Our crisis alomejor van by taking away the internet, on vacation, and the extras, but not basic needs. (Usually because there are always people who are affected much)
I suppose that the boards of these books are like those of our grandparents are always useful.
as many times apply new things with new and returning otravez to use the old system ....

Some people are seen in very straitened circumstances for not administered well, but that s elo tell the family on Friday to be 80,000 euros and everyone's happy.

or as my mother did not buy the concept and with his slo 5 packs of sugar and comes on Friday with another package more, not to be listed or that he was addicted to sugar ....

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# 8, Haa
April 21, 2008, at 10:02 am

We optimistically! ... .... today can be a great day! ... .. strength, faith and desire!! .... not everything can be so bad for all the people who work hard and live honestly and day with pay all obligations ... ... ... ... .. so for ALL !!!!!!

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# 9, pagessots
April 21, 2008, at 10:04

hola compañeros,

One question I have saved about 2000 and no where to invest, know any bank to give me an interest rate of interest regardless of the stock prices?

Thank you,

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# 10, CARLOS
April 21, 2008, at 10:04

Da 200 € xq corresponds to January to June ... 400 / 12 = 33, 33 € monthly

33.33 * 6 = 199.8 €

This money is not what gives, but you may descend from the Personal Income Tax% of your payroll, that is if before you retained a 12% for example, now will be 11.20% x example.

I imagine that these values will change in June on our payroll.

Nobody believes q € 400 you enter the account that is q I heard many people for the holidays.

On the Euribor, and the ON to 4.90 ... and is not going to stop ...

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# 11, Isolde
April 21, 2008, at 10:08

The Bank of England announces assistance to banks 60,000 million pounds.
Urgent News World

When you see your neighbor's beard peel ...

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# 12, Vitan
April 21, 2008, at 10:10

Good member, I have a question and I can not get into the forum (plese, take a look clopez ...) the fact is that I am not registered in my main residence and do not know if I have a problem if I am asked the Treasury to justify this. Fixture type I have receipts for all living in the same town as before (I changed only street). I called the City Council and tell me that I have to communicate change of address but they would clear me from now ... I'm worried about if I do return refunds of previous years ... You forgot?? conoceis someone??? what can I do???

Thank you very much for your help.

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# 13, krollian
April 21, 2008, at 10:18

# 1, Hand H20
This would be the million dollar question.
What is the percentage of people who bought housing need and which to speculate?
I think most people seeking a first home is not for speculation, but how many have swallowed the sobrepreciación?
From what I am glad that is thought to become "rich" with the sale of flats at a fair price. Did not thought about what anyone was supposed to pay 50,000 euros or more? For these, if not worse than the banks or even new-style politicians, who say it gets screwed by finely.
Hala, for sure you have brown pants ...

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# 14, krollian
April 21, 2008, at 10:21

# 3, anonymous
Very nice, but it will be those who can save a respectable amount right? Because the salary merde we enjoy and the CPI graciosillo the government says we have ... not to mention unemployment, immigration, population pyramid, pensions ...

http://www.ipcreal.com

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# 15, hipotecaohastalamedula
April 21, 2008, at 10:22

# 10 Charles

I understand that, I do not understand is this:

Imagine that this year I had to retain 12%.

June comes down to me that 12% to 11.20%. Since June, a 11.20% pass 11.80% (so I removed following € 33.3).

Now we come to year and how to set the system?

Treasury again made their calculations:
A. - 12% with what I would pay.
B. - 11.7% which in the end my company kept me well.

That's my big question.

There is no point in June, I retain a 11% year-end if recalculated on 12%. And I think I never spoke of changing the withholding tables, but that would give us 400 €.

mosqueao let me have ...

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# 16, CARLOS
April 21, 2008, at 10:26

They are expected to be already in the% that makes you take off their 33,33 € all next year ...

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# 17, Almería
April 21, 2008, at 10:28

Thank you very much for your support, sincerity and reality of the situation we here on the issue of water.

Thank you for your wonderful comenterio Village People # 198, article on April 18th.

AGUA PARA TOD @ S !!!!!

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# 18, Solvent two
April 21, 2008, at 10:29

The rent vs. buy debate, I think there in my opinion a factor prefers the option to purchase and is inflation.
If inflation were very close to zero is the best option may be renting, but since inflation less than one percent is always preferable purchasing.
Of course we're talking long term, not too short, for the purchase / sale make the purchase feasible.

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# 19, Pratenc
April 21, 2008 at 10:30

To see when such declines in Barcelona, because here are also falling, but very little and very slowly.

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# 20, poor enculator
April 21, 2008, at 10:33

# 1, Hand H20

That is the question, man. You hit the nail. The floors Nosferatus will only fall to those you describe. For the rest does not matter to fall, if all are not going to give them a mortgage.
Because that's what will happen, people who a year ago could buy a flat for 240,000 €, and he did, now can not buy the same floor for 180,000 €. The bank says no.

Do you you believe that low because housing was overvalued?
The lower housing because the banks have closed the tap, and the market price of apartments is set by the conditions under which the bank makes mortgages. Neither more nor less.

We could go on what are the factors affecting the bank, but that would be another matter. I'm talking about the price of apartments.

How many of you podriais buy a duplex of 300 m2 in La Castellana, new, beautifully furnished, € 100,000?

Please, think a moment, a hundred thousand euros, chollazo ...

Who has raised your hand? Is that if the bank does not give you the money, very few people can buy. I buy Dracula. That is the key, the crux of the matter. The interest rate, the borrowing limit and% on the assessed value are the parameters that determine the final price of an apartment.
And do not be naive, these price declines are an illusion. Only benefit the vampire who has described his hand. The price drops to the same speed as the ability to buy the majority.

A saludete!

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# 21, sirialuna
April 21, 2008, at 10:33

# 1, Hand H20

looking for my first home hand I took a year of reforms, and I got knowing that I pay, second hand, should be like with the first car, I started sharing my mother when I saved I bought a second-hand and now that I have I bought a second-hand newer (has 5 years) if I have 27 years, 4 years saving to give a good entry and a year of reform spara save for decoration and not ask for more créditod. When I see young people 24 to 25 years without any input and putting in flats of 40, 42 45 million new lashing paying 1200 euros and then get high mortgage to a fortune and can not afford it, sorry but I think as you do not probrecitos say (although not want for anyone evil alien) everyone knows what Peudada pay.

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# 22, Vanessa
April 21, 2008, at 10:36

Las Palmas 15 companies have suspended payments.
Mostly related to real estate and construction, this represents a recovery of more than 50%, which reflects the difficult economic situation in enterprises today.
These same sources indicate that the near term are expected to increase the companies declared insolvent.
1. But what happens to these housing developments stop? For the builder - developer has gone without a trace. That other and leave everything ready so you can see that there is movement.

2. And the question that makes the customers who have made deliveries to account to reserve your housing where are the keys?
Do not know why but I remember that song Where are the keys where they are matarile rile rile rile matarile keys rum
"AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA".

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# 23, euribortarra
April 21, 2008, at 10:39

# 20 poor enculator

2 months I've been hooked to this forum and I tell you, that your comment has been the most successful of what I've read so far. You can not better describe the existing reality.
In short ... you have hit the nail completely!

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# 24, Pratenc
April 21, 2008, at 10:39

I get angry when reading news like this:

The efforts always have to employees, managers ever.

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/economia/Sueldos/record/directivos/elpepueco/20080420elpepieco_1/Tes

When the economy is doing well tell us that salaries must be to contain inflation will not rise. And when it rises, too, to come down. We always blame that is ours, and we always have to be that we tighten our belts.

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# 25, sirialuna
April 21, 2008, at 10:40

# 22, Vanessa
I loved your post you positive couple

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# 27, cojonDsastre
April 21, 2008, at 10:44

Best of all, I have a dudilla. Let's see if I can help. I have before me a chance (at least I think so) to buy a flat. 4 Bedrooms in Teatinos area (Málaga) by 37M. It is 2nd hand and antique VPO (16). In the pipeline to declassify as VPO and turn it into free income. They ask me for free rent price, so I need the mortgage for that price, my question is: Does this affect me when tasarla still be the VPO? Should I wait until he was disqualified? I will not pinch your fingers reservation.

Thanks in advance.

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# 28, hipotecaohastalamedula
April 21, 2008, at 10:44

# 16, Carlos
That's what I hope, but for now .. you've seen tables of regulation??? Right now I have my father dropped the program for the tax return this year and this year's tax return is not nothing.

Hence mosquee me ...

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# 29, Manonegra
April 21, 2008, at 10:45

Bon dia a tod @ s

# 9, pagessots

You Openbank and bankinter deposits in one month to 11% (APR) that is not bad, you first get on one, then another, ah, all of cas des @ ...

Salud2

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# 30, sirialuna
April 21, 2008, at 10:45

# 24, Pratenc
not to minister once remarked that for a single person could not spend more d euncantidad namely that water can not remember. They recorded a video as they had to do to not spend that amount which resulted in these measures:

-not flush the toilet only once finde week.
utulizar one-barreñopara and rinse the dishes in dirty water MSIM all week and another bowl to wash up (no shower) also all week.

misnistra you think that would do that at home? since then as recommended by that? one thing to make good use of resources and one that will laugh in your face.

simpre pay the same, you do not spend, you do not buy, you do not nothing I will do all that you can not

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# 31, sirialuna
April 21, 2008, at 10:49

# 9, pagessots

Caixa Terrassa one years 20%

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# 32, Fausto
April 21, 2008, at 10:49

I do not understand is how they have been disappearing as fast estate for suspension of payment .... if for every sale we had 2 or 3 million and profit before houses were sold which churros ... ..

Where's all the dough splintered society?? As you can close so fast???? The construction goes, reinvested all the dough to start more projects, but those who did not buy and just put his hand .... ande andara????

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# 33, Fausto
April 21, 2008, at 10:49

# 31, sirialuna

Wide sirialuna info that interests me: D

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# 34, poor enculator
April 21, 2008, at 10:52

# 27, cojonDsastre
The official evaluation will be considering that housing is subsidized housing, or is that far below the value that you pay.

There are entities that can give you more of that value, but always in a rather clandestine. No, you see.

# 23, euribortarra
Thank maño is that it very well with the new species of vultures ...

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# 35, Concerned
April 21, 2008 at 10:55

# 15, hipotecaohastalamedula

The same question I have. The logic is that those 400 are not to return (pay) in the income statement of 2008 (which we will present in 2009) because if so, will not be a "devolution" of 400 euros, but as a tease a cathedral ...

I do like they do, it will be difficult to account for business. In my case I retention is very low handicap, so low that it does not even reach 50 euros per month.

How am I going to return 200 of blow in one month?
"Negative income tax with a%?
"With a 0% income tax every month to compensate? What if the year ends and I have returned still 400?
Do you have to put money to compensate the company for later?

In the same case that I will be gross salary of 12000 EUR 15000, those with new contracts (with 2% of retention) and the like. In these cases do not reach 200 euros a month retention how they do it?

I guess we'll wait to come out in the boe as approved in the Board of pigeon peas (sorry, of ministers).

Another thing to consider. For those who have mortgage and retention rates (the cases discussed above), it is not money that will give us more, but an advance on the income statement from 2008 to present in 2009.
In my case, for the mortgage and held me back all last year, so it will only make will overtake the 400 euros (which I prefer so).

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# 36, Carlos23
April 21, 2008, at 10:57

# 32, Fausto
I tell you, under the mattress

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# 37, Lourdes
April 21, 2008, at 10:57

# 12 Vitan

I have been exactly the same. The first year did not change anything and had no problems, but I recommend that you ask for a sheet, 030, fill in the registration number, etc, and delivery farm.

The thing to do is change the tax residence is not necessary to register "In principle there would be more problem if you benefit from a subsidy because it is such a new town, but nothing will happen because you change later.

Greetings

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# 38, Vitan
April 21, 2008, at 11:03

With Lourdes, took off a load off ... by the time I request a change of address at City Hall and go to the Treasury to do what I say.

Thank you very much again.

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# 39, hipotecaohastalamedula
April 21, 2008, at 11:03

# 35, Concerned

So tell me and what I've read, I fear that you will be one of those people who are not going to return the 400 €, but less. For all the latest news I have ever read say that the 400 € is not for everyone, and the least "pay" they will return fewer, so I guess if you just hold up and give it back and everything, not going to play much.

I truly hope I'm wrong, because otherwise, at the end of 400 € will benefit those who pay more to finance, ie the most gain, namely businessmen, politicians and others, the hustle of life toa , we finally cheated to win the vote and then divide the money among the rich of all, let a Robin Hood in reverse.

Regards,

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# 40, cojonDsastre
April 21, 2008, at 11:04

# 34, poor enculator

Thanks, that's what I figured. I'll wait until I get the clearance and from there begin to move. I will not pinch your fingers and do not want to give anything "black" ...

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# 41, Fausto
April 21, 2008, at 11:05

Week Euribor 4.22
1 month Euribor 4.378
2 Months Euribor 4.58
Euribor 3 months 4.805
6 Month Euribor 4.817
Euribor 12 Months 4.825

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# 42, OMS
April 21, 2008, at 11:09

That's odd anywhere else I've seen the value of 1 and by 4.85 Euribor

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# 43, Maverick
April 21, 2008, at 11:09

4.825! Mother of Beautiful Love! as it is firing!

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# 44, Kane
April 21, 2008, at 11:14

# 39, hipotecaohastalamedula

I am a currante of lifetime and I see no reason why I will return the 400 euros. So benefit also benefits more people than the rich.

Anyways, said before the election-it was the return of 400 euros. But to work, do not pay much or anything, do not know where this deception to voters.

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# 45, Fausto
April 21, 2008, at 11:14

Naninonianooooo

In May he will see how badly this item ... .. that fate, we notice it anymore.
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Europe is growing divergence in the Eurozone

There are growing signs that the north-south regional ldivergencia within the EMU countries is intensifying.

On the one hand, Germany and France benefit from exports of goods. But the Euro will hinder growth. Italy seems to be on the verge of a recession and Spain at risk of a major economic downturn.

The decline in house prices across Europe leaving countries like the UK, Spain and Ireland vulnerable to a sharp correction in his business.

The next study on the credit of the ECB, to be published in early May, should highlight how the tough credit conditions are hitting the Eurozone and a possible rate cut soon.

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# 46, stop
April 21, 2008, at 11:15

ON EURIBOR 3.90 2.63 3.95 3.85 21-04 10:54
1W EURIBOR 4.19 0.00 4.24 4.14 21-04 10:54
EURIBOR 2W 4.25 0.00 4.30 4.20 21-04 10:54
EURIBOR 1M 4.35 0.00 4.40 4.30 21-04 10:54
EURIBOR 2M 4.55 0.00 4.60 4.50 21-04 10:54
EURIBOR 3M 4.79 0.00 4.84 4.74 21-04 10:54
EURIBOR 6M 4.85 0.83 4.90 4.80 21-04 10:54
EURIBOR 9M 4.85 0.83 4.90 4.80 21-04 10:54
1Y EURIBOR 4.85 0.83 4.90 4.80 21-04 10:54

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# 47, engineer
April 21, 2008, at 11:16

# 35, Concerned

The June $ 200 range are 33.33 [January .. June].

From there you back 33.33 a month, if you hold 50 euros you retain enough to give you back the full 400 a year since 600> = 400.

A greeting

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# 48, nefernef
April 21, 2008, at 11:20

which is the value of truth, of calopez or cease?

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# 49, OMS
April 21, 2008, at 11:21

The Cesar

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# 50, hipotecaohastalamedula
April 21, 2008, at 11:23

Interestingly a few days ago we talked about the richness of language, and today I want to ask (no offense to anyone, and noticing ONLY and ONLY in the actions of our current government) between how close the term socialist sociopath. Reading the definition in the wikipedia (as sociopath is an informal term) of this type of disorder, fear me in the hands of who we are.

Deputy definition and, although not you share, set in what is their behavior similar to certain things done by our current government:

"[....]. Both (sociopath and sociopathy) define an individual asocial, apathetic and fixings for not taking roles or social group membership, in addition to violating the rules.

Una de las características generales del sociópata es un patrón de violencia, comportamiento impulsivo, aislamiento del entorno, elitismo y discriminación, entre otros. .. (–> Lo de violencia lo hubiera quitado de esta reflexión…)

Puede suceder desde temprana edad, llegando a progresivamente tener una incidencia en el ser adulto en la comisión de delitos, pero ni todos los sociópatas son delincuentes ni todos los delincuentes son sociópatas. (–> esto se podría aplicar a los políticos.. no???)

Se diagnostica al psicópata como sociópata por su conducta irracional y carente de propósito, falta de conciencia y vacío emocional. Son gente en busca de emociones fuertes, que no experimentan miedo. (–> crisis?? quién dijo crisis….)

El castigo casi nunca da resultado, porque su impulsividad no tiene límite; no temen a las consecuencias de sus actos. (–> hay tantas cosas que se podrían nombrar aquí… sobre las consecuencias de sus actos.. que lo dejo para vosotros…)

Para un psicópata una relación humana no tiene significado, por lo tanto son hábiles manipuladores y explotadores. (–> ummhhhh …. esto me suena…..)

El sociópata conoce bien lo que es bueno y lo que no lo es dentro de una sociedad. Se comporta con tanta sinceridad que hace pensar a los demás que cree en los valores humanos. (–> igualdad para todos…)

Son francamente intratables, al grado de que algunos leen libros de psicología con tal de imitar las conductas del esquizofrénico. Como sea posible tratan de manipular a sus captores oa los terapeutas.” (–> valores humanos… intratables… manipuladores.. ejem… )

En fin… repito, es un mero análisis pero no quisiera yo que de vuestra conclusión sacárais que todos los socialistas son sociópatas, ni mucho menos, nunca mi intención a la hora de opinar es menospreciar a nadie y esta definición podría aplicarse a todos los políticos, pero teniendo en cuenta que nos gobiernan socialistas, lo compararemos con ellos…

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