Confusion of confusion

"CONFUSION confusion, Dialogues between a curious acute philosopher, a merchant discreet, and a shareholder scholar" is the first book bag of history, written in 1688 by the Spanish D. Jose de la Vega. Os leave a few lines of the book, I've found here.

Philosopher: And what business is it that, although I have heard many times from him, nor understand it, nor have I applied to understand, I have not found any book that speaks in him to understand that?

Shareholder: Well I say that I do not know anything, oh Barbón [bearded] friend, because you have no knowledge of business a enigmatic, which is the most real and most true is that Europe, the most noble and most infamous hearing world, the finest and the most rude exercising the globe: the map of science and epitome of entanglements; touchstone for the attentive and stone tomb of daring; treasure of profits and incentive of increasing, and ultimately a portrait of Sisyphus that never rests, and a symbol of Ixion who always walks in a wheel alive.

Filósfo: Did not he deserve my curiosity a short epilogue of this lie, and a statement compendiums of this enigma?

Merchant: I, too, I beg of you, poker walk so tired committees, cargazones and turns, I would like to apply to this new job, to see if I can aquistar a fotruna and exit at the cost of risk, so many endeavors.

Shareholder: The best and most amusing of all is that, without risk, poddéis der rich, and without exposing the flow of storms, for the [correspondence], disbursements, warehouses, transportation, ATMs, bankruptcies and other accidents unthinkable, are ruined by achieve affluence, moving only the name in the deviations: So if the Hebrews, in suffering from dangerous diseases, move the name to get the improvement, enough to recognize that shareholder is wrong, move the name to get rid of all the dangers that it threatening, and all that worried Rider. "

The book also gives us some interesting tips:

  • "If distrust, not ordered, and if ordered, no topic"
  • "For what you, yourself, advises a discreet"
  • "Ostentatiously with a proud feat is not defeated, but cowardice"
  • "There is no delight bolsistas whose weaving nets, hooks, but do"
  • "Not wanting to put the biggest gain greater danger, but little to win and win safe"

Interestingly, as after more than 300 years many of the tips and principles listed in this book remain fully valid.

Now if I were to write a book describing the current economic situation, it surely also entitled "Confusion of confusion." If not, that is to say what the poor Icelanders, a small land with many natural resources being one of the countries most affected by the current crisis. So what we have in El Mundo: Money / 2008/04/17/economia/1208427177.html "> Iceland, a small country frozen by a huge financial crisis.

Since the beginning of the year, the Icelandic krona was devalued by 25% while the stock market has plummeted 40% since last summer. In addition, inflation rises to 6.8% and interest rates reached 15.5% last week. On the other hand, the game in its trade balance is charged, mainly because of the consumption expenditure in recent years.

I commented the other day on the blog friend "Gurusblog" in his article "The Hedge Funds attack Iceland"

Probably, this olvidad island of 300,000 inhabitants is the main victim of the credit crunch that began last August. It is somewhat paradoxical that one of the countries with the highest income per capita in the world (about 54,000 U.S. dollars), with an unemployment rate touching 1%, a country with the fourth highest rate of productivity in the world and that 99 % Of the generation of electricity comes from renewable sources, and whose economy had grown at rates of 4-6% in recent years, seeing this now with all of its financial system (banking and state) is in check.

As you can see, we are talking about the paradigm of sustainable development and can be ruined.

But if we talk about confusion, are the growth projections for this year in Spain. The government says a figure, the IMF said the half and reached the Bank of Santander and is left between the two, saying that he believes the Spanish economy will grow by 2.5% in 2008.

Banco Santander estimates that the Spanish economy will grow by 2.5% in 2008, more than one percentage point less than in the previous year (3.8%), as a result of unfavorable climate and the adjustment of the real estate sector.

This forecast is above other much more pessimistic as the IMF (1.8%), Func (2%), and even the Bank of Spain (2.4%), although it remained far from the 3.1% who still holds the Government.

Well, at least everyone thinks that something we grow ...

And to end debate and revive the "rent vs. buy" and stop talking about transfers (with their respective synonyms) I leave with you an article that appeared yesterday in The Country: Spain wakes up to rent.

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Written by Carlos Lopez on April 21, 2008 with 195 points.



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# 1, Mano H20

April 21, 2008, at 9:44.

Buy or rent it?

Who are the opportunists in the current situation? Who is going to take advantage of the crisis? Who will benefit from falling prices of the flats?

I put an example. Floor of 127 m2 in the center of Zaragoza put up for sale 10 months ago by € 468,000 for relocation of city landlords. If the floor has been put up for sale 4 or 5 months earlier, was allegedly removed from their hands. Several ojeadores are on the lookout waiting for the opportune moment to sink their claws into the vendors increasingly need to sell. Last Saturday gave the floor by € 318,000. It is the seventh reduction in ten months.

That is, in ten months, the price of this floor has been lowered by 32%

Sure that the price was more than bloated, but it was sold to what makes that time. The owners, who know well, were limited to ask which was the normal selling price and the poster hung by those 468,000, are ready, because they ran a hurry to cut up to 10%.

The situation is, sociologically, rather than interesting: pasapiseros and many speculators of all kinds, kind and condition, desperately seeking to succeed caught in the fingers they have suffered. By contrast, other individuals, who were looking for anything with their housing speculation (but not be branded as lelos or cardelinos by giving away the floor), were trapped by the madness of this real estate bull skin.

Do you know someone as they are called vultures which are currently awaiting strewn with corpses to be the big feast? Who has the fresh pasta to enter sack to buy flats at bargain prices? (Eye, for some bargains, others at the price they should be).

I suppose the easy answer is that banks, boxes, etc..

Are you sure? Did not know of any particular with the increasingly pale complexion who would grow up and sharpen it, surprisingly, the tusks (from age, that things), hanging a droplet of blood? (Yes, yes. And that is rubbing his bony hands nervously).

Neovampirillos eye with these because they are about to deploy its wings convinced that future pensions are at serious risk. In some ways the poor who have ensured the future. Or not?

It is war. Salvesen where you can.

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# 2, Nimo-ANO

April 21, 2008, at 9:49.

It seems that this is sinking at times ....

On the same floor in different ways and dates ... but less and less price (which rarely ever low because housing)
First 160,000 07-12-2007
then 150,000
and 140,000 21-02-2008
139,000

and now new downhill
132.500euros !!!!! 17-04-2008

17% drop in Zaragoza city EXPO 2008

http://zaragoza.campusanuncios.com/piso-1083642076X-PISO-EN-Zaragoza.html
http://www.mundoanuncio.com/anuncio/arrabal_economico_1158140745.html
http://www.segundamano.es/vi/10263336.htm

2 years ago that floor by 160.000e in zaragoza it removed from their hands ...

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# 3, anonymous

April 21, 2008, at 9:50.

People desperate to sell. Those who have sold fresh money in a few months, uqe not buying as well. Within a time people want to invest that money you have in the bank and buy again. The floors will go up and come back to spin the wheel again.

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# 4, hipotecaohastalamedula

April 21, 2008, at 9:53.

Since he won the elections took ZP thinking about how nose was going to do to return the 400 € and still not clear to me.

It said that will give us 200 in June and then the rest distributed until December, but ... it will happen when you close the year?

If my remove you give me now to finance these € 400, when it reaches the end of the year, calculate how much I retained, how much I had to retain surely come back to pay the 400 € that is, if you do not change these tables típidas 17%, 15% etc. .. as to be drawn down, because I imagine that what is going to do ZP "loans" 400 € we have to return next year to make the income tax return.

Someone can explain this?

The truth that these "400" € I am sure that:
A. - They are not going to be 400
B. - They are not going to be given away.

It's going to be something like the other crooks (banks) when you give away a TV by putting money to run. You give away, but then you have to declare to tax as remuneration in kind .. therefore often gift ...

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# 5, Erasmo

April 21, 2008, at 9:57.

The majority is needed when we buy and sell when there is no cure and it is very difficult to make money, if not pure luck.

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# 6, font

April 21, 2008, at 9:59.

I am sorry to say but we go for 5%.
TRANCHETES this is not going to do anything? only concerned about inflation?. There is no one who can bring order?. The price of money is at 4%, which would prefer to 4.5% in the Euribor to 4.8% -5% would be more quiet, at least understand the situation a little more.

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# 7, sirialuna

April 21, 2008, at 10:00.

good morning to everyone s, the Euribor continues by nuves, gasoline, food, electrodomésticios .... but we have to give thanks because at least we have food to eat, a place to be hot. I is not your grandparents or parents if you have the batallitas, but compare and say if there is crisis (to whom it is concerned) but we can sleep and eat hot. Previously there was a crisis and were not at all.
Our crisis alomejor by van to sweep the Internet, on vacation, and sundries, but not of basic needs. (Usually because there are always people who are affected a lot)
because I guess that the boards of these books are like those of our grandparents who are always helpful.
how many times they apply innovative new things and come back again to use the old system ....

There are people who are in no hurry to situations very well administered, but that s elo say to the family on Friday to be 80,000 euros and all so happy.

or as my mother did not buy the concept and only yours with 5 packets of sugar and comes on Friday with most other packages, not to get a list or that we were addicted to sugar ....

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# 8, Haa

April 21, 2008, at 10:02.

we are optimistic! ... .... today can be a great day! ... .. strength, faith and win!! .... Not everything can be so bad for all the people who work hard and live honestly and days with pay all its obligations ... ... ... ... .. lucky for ALL !!!!!!

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# 9, pagessots

April 21, 2008, at 10:04.

Hello comrades,

One question I have saved around 2000 and does not know where to invest them, you know someone give me a bank that interest rate interesting without taking into account the stock prices?

Thank you,

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# 10, CARLOS

April 21, 2008, at 10:04.

Da € 200 DQ corresponds to the January-June ... 400 / 12 = 33, 33 € per month

33.33 * 6 = 199.8 €

This money will not give you, but you have fallen from the personal income tax% of your nomination, is retained if you before 12% for example, now will be 11.20% x example.

I imagine that these values will change in June on our payroll.

Anyone who creates 400 € q you enter the account that is what q I have heard a lot of people for the holidays.

As for the Euribor, and the ON to 4.90 ... and is not going to stop ...

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# 11, Isolde

April 21, 2008, at 10:08.

The Bank of England announces aid to the banks of 60,000 million pounds.
News of El Mundo emergency

When you see your neighbor's beard peeling ...

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# 12, Vitan

April 21, 2008, at 10:10.

Forero good, I have a question and I can not get in the forum (Plese take a look clopez ...) the fact is that I am not registered in my usual home and do not know if I have any problem if I am asked the Treasury to justify this. I have receipts of all tipoy live in the same town as before (only I changed my street). I called the City Council and tell me I have to communicate change of address but of course I would do from now ... I'm worried about if I do return refunds of previous years ... he has gone? know someone? what can I do?

Thank you so much for your help.

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# 13, krollian

April 21, 2008, at 10:18.

# 1, Mano H20
This would be the question of a million.
What is the percentage of people who have purchased housing and which need to speculate?
I think most people looking for a first home is not by speculating, but how many have swallowed the sobrepreciación?
What pleased me most is the thought that made "rich" with the sale of flats at a fair price. Is not thinking about what anyone supposed to pay him 50,000 euros or more? Well, those who do not know if the banks are worse than politicians or even new-style, which is to say finely annoyance.
Hala, surely you have the brown shorts ...

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# 14, krollian

April 21, 2008, at 10:21.

# 3, anonymous
Very nice, but this will be those who can save a respectable amount does not it? Merde because with the salary that we enjoy and the CPI graciosillo said that the government ... we have to say nothing of unemployment, immigration, population pyramid, pensions ...

http://www.ipcreal.com

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# 15, hipotecaohastalamedula

April 21, 2008, at 10:22.

# 10 Carlos,

I understand, so I do not understand is this:

Imagine that this year I had to withhold 12%.

June and reaches down to me that 12% to 11.20%. Since June, step by 11.20% to 11.80% (for which I removed those who continue to € 33.3).

Now we come to the end of the year and how it fits the system?

Finance returns to make their calculations with:
A. - 12% with what I would pay.
B. - 11.7% at the end with what my company kept me well.

That's my big question.

There is no use to me in June if it retains a 11% at the end of the year recalculated on 12%. And I think we never talked about changing the withholding tables, but we would give 400 €.

I have mosqueao we go ...

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# 16, CARLOS

April 21, 2008, at 10:26.

It is supposed to stay longer in the% that makes you removed the € 33.33 throughout the next year ...

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# 17, Almería

April 21, 2008, at 10:28.

Thank you so much for your support, sincerity and reality of the situation we are living here on the issue of water.

Thank you for your wonderful comenterio Village People # 198, in the article of April 18.

S WATER FOR ALL !!!!!

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# 18, two Solvent

April 21, 2008, at 10:29.

In the rent vs. buy debate, I think it is in my opinion a factor that favors the option to purchase and is inflation.
If inflation were very close to zero is possible that the best option was renting, but from an inflation rate equal to or greater than one per cent is always preferable to purchase.
Certainly we are talking about long-term, not short, because the cost of purchase / sale unfeasible make the purchase.

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# 19, Pratenc

April 21, 2008, at 10:30.

In order to see if such decreases in Barcelona, because here are also falling, but very little and very slowly.

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# 20, poor enculator

April 21, 2008, at 10:33.

# 1, Mano H20

That is the issue size. You have given the nail on the head. The lower floors only for those Nosferatus you describe. For the rest does not matter to fall, if all are not going to give them a mortgage.
Because that is what will happen, people who a year ago could buy a flat for 240,000 €, and it did not, now can not buy the same apartment for € 180,000. The bank said it does not.

Do you think that the lower house because it was overvalued?
The housing low because banks have closed the tap, and the market price of the flats marked as the conditions under which the bank provides mortgages. Neither more nor less.

We could go into what are the factors that determine the bank, but this would be another matter. I'm talking about the price of the flats.

How many of you could buy a duplex 300 m2 in the House, new and superbly furnished, for € 100,000?

If pensadlo a moment, HUNDRED THOUSAND euros, chollazo ...

Who has lifted his hand? Is that if the bank does not give you the money, very few people can buy. Dracula will buy it. That is the key, the crux of the matter. The interest rate, the limit of indebtedness and the% of the value of taxation are the parameters that determine the final price of a flat.
And you are not naive, these decreases in price are a mirage. Only benefit the vampire who has described size. The low price at the same speed as the ability to buy the majority.

A saludete!

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# 21, sirialuna

April 21, 2008, at 10:33.

# 1, Mano H20

I look at my size as the first shelter took a year of reforms, and I've got knowing that I can pay, second hand, I should like to be the first car, I started sharing my mother saved me when I bought a second hand and now that I have I bought a second hand newest (IS 5 YEARS) if I have 27 years, 4 years saving for a good entry and a year of reform spara save for the furniture and do not ask for more créditod. When I see young people with 24 to 25 years without getting anything in and on floors 40, 42 45 million new lashing paying EUR 1200 and then the mortgage will go up to a lot of money and can not afford it, I'm sorry but I feel like you do not probrecitos say, (although you do not want anyone else evil) each knows what peude pay.

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# 22, Vanessa

April 21, 2008, at 10:36.

Las Palmas 15 companies have suspended payments.
For the most part linked to the real estate industry and construction, this figure represents a turnaround of more than 50%, which shows the difficult economic situation facing the companies at present.
These same sources say that in the short term are expected to increase the companies that are declared in a state of insolvency.
1. But what happens to these promotions housing stops? Because the builder - developer has been left without a trace. That left everything ready so that you will find that there is movement.

2. And the question that makes the customers who have made their deliveries to account to reserve your house where are the keys?
But I do not know because I remember that song Where are the keys matarile rile rile where the keys are matarile rile rum
"On the seabed."

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# 23, euribortarra

April 21, 2008, at 10:39.

# 20 poor enculator

took 2 months "hooked" to this forum and I have to tell you that your comment has been the best of what I've read so far. No one can better describe the existing reality.
Ultimately ... you have the nail on the head completely!

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# 24, Pratenc

April 21, 2008, at 10:39.

I am unworthy to read news like this:

The efforts always have to make employees, managers ever.

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/economia/Sueldos/record/directivos/elpepueco/20080420elpepieco_1/Tes

When the economy is doing well tell us that salaries must be to contain inflation did not rise. And when it goes up, too, to get off. Let that the blame is always ours, and we always have to be us as we tighten their belts.

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# 25, sirialuna

April 21, 2008, at 10:40.

# 22, Vanessa
I have been delighted by your positive post you

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# 26, nefernef

April 21, 2008, at 10:43.

http://www.larazon.es/35626/noticia/Espa% F1a/El_Gobierno_gastar% E1_en_altos_cargos_3% 2C5_millones_de_euros_m% E1s_al_a% F1o

There is NO crisis for all

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# 27, cojonDsastre

April 21, 2008, at 10:44.

Best of all, I have a dudilla. Let's see if I can help. I have before me a chance (at least that's what I believe) to purchase a flat. 4 Bedrooms in area Teatinos (Malaga) for 37M. It was 2nd hand and VPO old (16 years). Are in the process of declassifying as VPO and transform it into Free Income. I am asking price of Free Income, so the mortgage I need it for that price, my question is: Will I be affected when tasarla which is still VPO? Should I wait for them to be disqualified? I do not want to pinch your fingers the reservation.

Thanks in advance.

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# 28, hipotecaohastalamedula

April 21, 2008, at 10:44.

# 16, Carlos
That is what I hope, but for the moment .. you've seen tables of regulation? I for the moment I have downloaded the program father to issue the statement of income this year, and in this year's tax return is not nothing at all.

That is why I am mosque ...

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# 29, manonegra

April 21, 2008, at 10:45.

Bon day to everyone s

# 9, pagessots

You Bankinter deposits and openbank in one month to 11% (APR) that is not anything wrong, so get in the first one and then another, ah, and all of des cas @ ...

Salud2

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# 30, sirialuna

April 21, 2008, at 10:45.

# 24, Pratenc
is not that minister once remarked that for a single person could not spend more euncantidad d of water in particular that I do not agree. They recorded a video as they had to do to not spend that amount that resulted in these actions:

not pull the chain of water just a week after the weekend.
barreñopara-utulizar a wash and rinse dishes in dirty water MSIM all week and another auger for asearte (no shower) also all week.

misnistra you think that would do that at home? since then, as recommended by that? One thing is to make good use of resources and another laugh in your face.

always pay the same, you do not spend, you do not buy, your not anything that I'll do everything that you can not

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# 31, sirialuna

April 21, 2008, at 10:49.

# 9, pagessots

caixa terrassa a year 20%

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# 32, Fausto

April 21, 2008, at 10:49.

What we do not understand is how could disappear so fast real estate for suspension of payment .... for each sale if we had 2 or 3 million before gains and houses which were sold churros ... ..

Where are all the pasta chipping to society? As has been shut down so fast? The building is worth, reinvested all the dough to start more artwork but not those who bought and just put his hand .... walk walk?

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# 33, Fausto

April 21, 2008, at 10:49.

# 31, sirialuna

Extensive info that interests me sirialuna : D

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# 34, poor enculator

April 21, 2008, at 10:52.

# 27, cojonDsastre
The valuation officer will be considering that housing is VPO, so far below the value that you will pay.

There are entities that can give you more of that value, but always a bit of a clandestine manner. I do not know, you see.

# 23, euribortarra
Thank you, is that the size put it very well with the new species of vultures ...

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# 35, Concerned

April 21, 2008, at 10:55.

# 15, hipotecaohastalamedula

That same question, I've got. The logic is that those 400 are not to return (to pay) in the income tax return for 2008 (we will present in 2009), because if so, will not be a "devolution" of 400 euros, but a hair as tomadura a cathedral ...

They do as they do, it will be difficult to account for business. In my case I have retention is very low disability, so low that does not reach or 50 euros per month.

How am I going to return 200 of stroke in a single month?
Are% a negative income tax?
Are the personal income tax to 0% every month to compensate? What if just the year and I have not yet returned 400?
Will I have to put the money to compensate the company for later?

In the same case that I will gross salary of 12,000 to 15,000 euros, which have new contracts (with 2% retention) and the like. In these cases also reach 200 euros per month retention how they will do?

I suppose it will have to wait to get out in the boe as approved in the Board of pigeon peas (sorry, ministers).

Another thing to keep in mind. For those who have mortgage deductions and low (the cases discussed above), there's no money that will give us more, but an advance of the statement of income in 2008 to 2009.
In my case, for the mortgage and I returned everything retained the previous year, so the only thing that will be pre-empting the 400 euros (who prefer well).

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# 36, Carlos23

April 21, 2008, at 10:57.

# 32, Fausto
I tell you what, under the mattress

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# 37, Lourdes

April 21, 2008, at 10:57.

# 12 Vitan

I have spent exactly the same. The first year does not change anything and I had no problems, but I recommend that you ask for a sheet, the 030, to fill in the registration number, etc, and delivery in wealth.

The thing to do is change the tax domicile, it is not necessary to register in-principle would have more trouble if you benefit from any subsidy because it is such a new town, but nothing will happen because you switch later.

Greetings

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# 38, Vitan

April 21, 2008, at 11:03.

Thanks Lourdes, I take away a weight of over ... for now I am going to request a change of address in the town hall and also go to the Treasury to do what I say.

Thank you very much again.

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# 39, hipotecaohastalamedula

April 21, 2008, at 11:03.

# 35, Concerned

With me and what I've read, I fear that you will be one of those people who are NOT going to return the € 400, but less. In all the latest news that I read always say that the 400 € are not for everyone, and the least "pay", they will return less, so I imagine that if you retain little and above all since returned to you, you will not play much.

I very much hope you're wrong, because otherwise, at the end of the 400 € will benefit those who pay more tax, that is, those who earn more, ie businessmen, politicians and others, the Toa currelas of life , In the end we were deceived to win the vote and then distribute the money among the richest of all, let a Robin Hood in reverse.

A greeting,

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# 40, cojonDsastre

April 21, 2008, at 11:04.

# 34, poor enculator

Thanks, that is what I imagined. I will wait until I have the declassification and then begin to move. I do not want to pinch your fingers because I do not want to give anything in black "...

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# 41, Fausto

April 21, 2008, at 11:05.

Week Euribor 4.22
1 Month Euribor 4.378
Euribor 2 Months 4.58
3 Month Euribor 4.805
6 Month Euribor 4.817
12 Month Euribor 4.825

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# 42, OMS

April 21, 2008, at 11:09.

That weird, I was in another place I have seen the value of the Euribor at 4.85 per 1y

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# 43 Maverick

April 21, 2008, at 11:09.

4.825! Mother's love! as this is going to shoot!

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# 44, Kane

April 21, 2008, at 11:14.

# 39, hipotecaohastalamedula

Yo soy un currante de los de toda la vida y no veo motivo por el que no me vayan a devolver los 400 euros. Así que beneficiar también beneficia a más gente que a los ricos.

De todas formas ya dijeron antes de las eleciones que se trataba de la DEVOLUCION de 400 euros. Sino trabajas, no pagas tanto o cualquier cosa, no se donde esta el engaño a los votantes.

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# 45 , Fausto

21 de Abril de 2008, a las 11:14.

Naninonianooooo

En mayo se vera lo mal que esta el tema….. que suerte, nosotros lo notamos ya.
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Europa: Crece la divergencia en la Eurozona

Cada vez hay más señales de que la ldivergencia regional norte-sur dentro de los país de la UME se está intensificando.

Por un lado, Alemania y Francia se benefician de las exportaciones de bienes de equipo. Pero el Euro será un obstáculo para el crecimiento. Italia parece que está al borde de una recesión y España con riesgo de un gran declive económico.

El descenso de los precios de la vivienda en toda Europa deja a países como el Reino Unido, España e Irlanda vulnerables a una fuerte correción en su actividad económica.

El próximo estudio sobre el crédito del BCE, que se publicará a principios de mayo, debería hacer hincapié hasta qué punto las duras condiciones crediticias están impactando a la Eurozona ya un posible recorte de tipos en breve.

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# 46 , cesar

21 de Abril de 2008, a las 11:15.

EURIBOR ON 3,90 2,63 3,95 3,85 21-04 10:54
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# 47 , ingeniero

21 de Abril de 2008, a las 11:16.

#35, Preocupado

Los 200 euros de junio son los 33.33 del rango [enero..junio].

A partir de ahí te devolverán 33.33 al mes, si te retienen 50 euros te retienen lo suficiente para devolverte los 400 anuales íntegros ya que 600 >= 400.

Un saludo

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# 48 , nefernef

21 de Abril de 2008, a las 11:20.

cual es el valor de verdad, el de calopez o el de cesar??

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# 49 , OaaM

21 de Abril de 2008, a las 11:21.

El de Cesar

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# 50 , hipotecaohastalamedula

21 de Abril de 2008, a las 11:23.

Curiosamente hace días hablábamos de la riqueza del lenguaje, y hoy quiero plantear (sin ánimo de ofender a nadie y fijándome ÚNICA y EXCLUSIVAMENTE en los actos de nuestro actual gobierno) entre lo cerca que está el término socialista y sociópata. Leyendo la definición dada por la wikipedia (ya que sociópata es un término informal) de este tipo de trastorno, miedo me da en manos de quién estamos.

Adjunto la definición y, aunque no la compartáis, fijaros en lo parecido que está su comportamiento a ciertas cosas realizadas por nuestro actual gobierno:

“[....]. Ambas(sociopata y sociopatía) definen a un individuo asocial, apático y con fijaciones por no tomar roles ni pertenecer a un grupo social, además de transgredir las normas.

Una de las características generales del sociópata es un patrón de violencia, comportamiento impulsivo, aislamiento del entorno, elitismo y discriminación, entre otros. .. (–> Lo de violencia lo hubiera quitado de esta reflexión…)

Puede suceder desde temprana edad, llegando a progresivamente tener una incidencia en el ser adulto en la comisión de delitos, pero ni todos los sociópatas son delincuentes ni todos los delincuentes son sociópatas. (–> esto se podría aplicar a los políticos.. no???)

Se diagnostica al psicópata como sociópata por su conducta irracional y carente de propósito, falta de conciencia y vacío emocional. Son gente en busca de emociones fuertes, que no experimentan miedo. (–> crisis?? quién dijo crisis….)

El castigo casi nunca da resultado, porque su impulsividad no tiene límite; no temen a las consecuencias de sus actos. (–> hay tantas cosas que se podrían nombrar aquí… sobre las consecuencias de sus actos.. que lo dejo para vosotros…)

Para un psicópata una relación humana no tiene significado, por lo tanto son hábiles manipuladores y explotadores. (–> ummhhhh …. esto me suena…..)

El sociópata conoce bien lo que es bueno y lo que no lo es dentro de una sociedad. Se comporta con tanta sinceridad que hace pensar a los demás que cree en los valores humanos. (–> igualdad para todos…)

Son francamente intratables, al grado de que algunos leen libros de psicología con tal de imitar las conductas del esquizofrénico. Como sea posible tratan de manipular a sus captores oa los terapeutas.” (–> valores humanos… intratables… manipuladores.. ejem… )

En fin… repito, es un mero análisis pero no quisiera yo que de vuestra conclusión sacárais que todos los socialistas son sociópatas, ni mucho menos, nunca mi intención a la hora de opinar es menospreciar a nadie y esta definición podría aplicarse a todos los políticos, pero teniendo en cuenta que nos gobiernan socialistas, lo compararemos con ellos…

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