Statistics traps

Many times we have spoken here of what they are traps and manipulated statistics, especially when we talk about prices. But this is not new, until I knew that Homer Simpson once said:

"Oh Kent, people would invent such statistics to prove anything, and that only knows what 14% of the people."

Although statistics from time to time we can give something curious, for example:

In the Vatican there are two popes per square kilometer.

And even reach some conclusion dangerous:

20% of traffic accidents happened when the driver is drunk. Therefore, 80% of traffic accidents happened when the driver is sober. As a result, it is safer to drive drunk to sober.

The worst happens when one starts to think these singularities and disregards the reality, this time the anger we miss the economic daily Les Echos that said: "There is no worse blind as those who will not see. Spain has reached the end of a cycle. "In an article very hard to reach this conclusion:

"But the Spaniards should not look the other way: the road will be long. His country did not have enough non-exporting companies and highlights precisely because of its high technology. And to make matters worse, Spain suffers from a competent educational system, if we look at the famous Pisa report, despite the presence of renowned business schools and some universities at the international level. Whoever wins the elections on March 9, must manage a brutal slowdown in the economy and painful reforms. The feast is finished. "

And the truth is that we are talking about structural ills, such that it does not create a legislature, but that comes from long, like our obsession and even in complex thinking that only we can be competitive in the services sector without investing in R + D.

As for the news "Mortgage" yesterday, we have the measure submitted by Solbes to lengthen the term of the mortgage to families in distress, and discussed a lot around here but I'm staying with the following summary in which it outlines 3 points:

This is a misleading
This is an impractical
This is a discriminatory measure.

As you see, has not been very well received because this measure is put out as many say fire with gasoline.

I once mentioned here that the great fortunes are made in major crisis, perhaps we should not temerlas both and try to find those opportunities (How much do you earn a collector of Frac?) In this environment we have at that Visa is set to become the higher output in the U.S. stock market, which expects to draw no less than 12,650 million euros. Undoubtedly, the debts are a negociazo.

How do you suppose that one crisis to affect your work?. For example, this website the day I had more visits was the biggest drop in stock market ...

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# 1, john with fear

February 26, 2008, at 9:44.

People must be with the hangover from the televised debate last night. I'm going to start talking about Homme Simpson: It is true that what happens in the famous American series is a reflection of American society and an imprest of what will happen in ours; Regarding the newspaper article referred to, I want add several multinational companies around the year 97 published studies that divfersos concluded that the economic situation in Spain at the end of 96 was similar to that Argentina lived just before being immersed in the great crisis, with the change of government (I would point to the shift of economic management) will rectify this and spent the surplus. And I refer to the figures. Yesterday, the future government of former president repeated again and again that the cuts were made in social policy during the previous legislatures: either that or a crisis for all. Sure, there's always some occurrence to extinguish the fire using petrol. Good comparison.

# 2, Spiderman

February 26, 2008, at 9:51.

What happens with people: I just read and never write but today I encourage you to see that all sleep; be a way of lifting the country. Incidentally, referring to the previous article, and in 96 of the government pp saved us the ass of a great crisis. Take note.

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# 3, Murdok

February 26, 2008, at 9:55.

Without wanting to talk about politics, to my yesterday's debate was "fun" Rajoy told me a story about a girl and then I went to sleep

and jokes aside, I think that the Spanish economy is not worse than the European one, everyone wants to think about what I think many are interested to believe that this is fatal (As you said clopez large fortunes are made in times of crisis and for that what matters now for investors to wealthy candidates is a monumental batacazo the bag to buy much below the actual price and sell cuanndo return to its real value.

# 4, Hipotecadohastalascejas

February 26, 2008, at 9:56.

Good morning

After the storm comes the calm ... ... ...
Nobody sent us mortgaged, but we wanted ..
Nobody made us a hand to live, but we do ...
Never fail to pay, but whether to stop eat what we do ....
The situation currently Spain has no comparison in either the time or in any country (developed) world.
Not only have interest rates, with mortgage spreads that are frightening, and that we be realistic, not dependent on the government of the day, but the "decisions" of Europe and Mr knife ....
Interest rates increase the movement of capital, encourage consumption, but if we add to this is not a balanced purchasing power with the prices (not worth raising wages by 4%, while the commodities go up about 9% ), And also some policies consistent with the actual market situation, ie can not be done with the budgets BRENTA barrel to $ 80 and is now touching 100 dollars.
Indeed, when we escandalizabamos (with bath) per liter of diesel oil rose 80 pesetas, is now (on average) at 1.11 € (183 pesetazas liter) and do not say or principle ... ..
Is there a black hand that he wants to spend even though they do not have it?
I do not follow that perhaps a lot more hot economy, that overheating in itself is already

I am for saving, with decent housing and wages, even more worthy

Good Bye Vietnam

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# 5, I

February 26, 2008, at 9:58.

You have reason few of the big fortunes are achieved in times of crisis in the majority.

I prefer the times in which the great fortunes of those few are lost in favor of the stability of the majority.

And yes, luck is to be found, but not all start with the same means.

6 #, pepipe

February 26, 2008, at 10:01.

Monolgo for the deaf, at least in my opinion this is what was the staging between Zapatero vs. Rajoy
But for me what matters to us is that I think the Euribor climb a little today till the 4.39 sorry but I am not very optimistic

# 7, sirialuna

February 26, 2008, at 10:01.

Well the only thing I know is that what is true of the statistical, van as the wind blows them. Came ciutadans when we were nothing, said they would not, were invented everything, as long discredit the party, rather than reported before, and if you do not hear anything sdaban statistics? because we are reprehensible in all we could .... he had to pay a company to make a statistical closed for the match just as real as possible, Huy if those statistics were more .... we first year three deputies.

that's why I like it because the statistics do not ...

I know is that I have to enter my sick grandmother in a residence, and are not public, the semi concerted waiting list and closed more than 1500 euros. They say that women reconciling their working lives to work and there are equal oprtunidades.
Might lie. After 5 years in an international company told me that I am a woman and that some day I will have to bear children and that no amount after telling me that if and be the last year as a gilip Pring ... as to what to show? I can not because they made me or dismiss me. Now I'm going to find a day care home the more sproxima friend, Huy the splazas are filled because losinmigrantes have a preference ... the other is closer semiconcertada takes paid 300 euros per month, a result I have to ask for reduced hours at work to take care to boy.

certainly have been learned this year two more Lyes for companies to collect more pasta, bone and an inspector comes to look all right and that this is enbolsa 400 euros but now I have to do a report that the same thing as technical and smuy Squee has to pay uun oingeniero and now pay to get it stamped, and have been EUR 1400, we are talking about spequeñas company who does this is going to endure?

no, this is not the phase of the tombola bearing four years and the problem sreales have not been solved, that we raise here that the country we are young and their companies, and we are drawing up your eyes

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# 8, font

February 26, 2008, at 10:03.

Solbes wants to help us with Euro 1000 than longer-term mortgage to pay less each month, but fill the coffers of banks.

What we do not understand is that we want to help in something that believes that it is not recommended.
http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2007/06/20/suvivienda/1182327718.html
That has changed now?, We are in campaign?

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# 9, lucas778

February 26, 2008, at 10:06.

Greetings to all-all!

Perhaps the concern about the work of each is what explains that consumer confidence has fallen, but when asked about the personal economic situation was said that has improved.

Never mind the current situation, but expectations. And the expectations are bad. If not, how is it that the government has gone from saying in December that there was no crisis at what month and a half later in the election campaign "has fallen from donkey" and say that there is "a gentle slowdown" and that the international situation is bad?

The answer may be that you can not hide the sun with their hands.

What worries me most is the article of the French economic period. If it is true that out of the crisis requires a structural change, first you have to do it (not child's play) and then wait for effect arises because it is structural and that is not adopting "x" tax measures electioneering who are are in 15 days. Therefore the road is long, starting with bad economic agents' expectations.

Finally, to launch a cry for help to the entrepreneurs of this country, those with the expectation of large profits and financial independence, they should try to generate such a structural change in high technology and high added value of speaking the article in its future business, which this dynamic picture we have today.

A citizen.
(which in electoral campaign is very good).

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# 10, Murdok

February 26, 2008, at 10:07.

# 2, Spiderman

I go to with a story and I get up with another, jeje, good positions and then to talk about politics while not adecauado the site, you dire that the supercrisis of us except the almighty pp was reducing costs to a minimum, ( so my bag is filled tb) and on the other side just bought and spending money on the essential things, such as changing the route of the bird to fit through the land of Aguirre or buy pictures of the bride of helmets that those things that if were necessary.

# 11, aléalé

February 26, 2008, at 10:08.

murdok 3
it's very good story and sleep ha, ha, ha

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# 12, Solvent

February 26, 2008, at 10:12.

THANKS TO ALL AND ALL

Now I am a little less inculto.Me agreement when listening to politicians talk and talk about economics and thought that cults were, because I am not aware of anything.

Today, thanks to this major forum between all of us to believe and where everyone puts their bit, we are a little more economists and a little less ignorant.

Ignorant of what goes for me, I do not have big notions of economy, what the supply and demand than most know, but if something I have served these past months is regardless of the political party with which I identify, is to think that The crisis has not created the gobierno.Que could have foreseen and could have taken action sooner ... Ticket acuerdo.Que tries to avoid talking about it and the bishops make you a nice favor of talking gilip .. olleces who manage to distract attention on a real problem ... of course ...

Summing up because I do not want to extend a lot when I hear a debate, whether Solves, Pizarro, Rajoy, Zapatero and I hear the questions asked, me from my chair and got a response, independent, based on input from you all and I think correct.

Thank you all for avoiding that we handled once again.

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# 13, Ano-mum

February 26, 2008, at 10:12.

An example of misleading statistics:

Rajoy:
when we left government there were two million unemployed, Mr Zapatero. And now there are 2,200,000 unemployed.

Yes, but with 4 million inhabitants more than 4 years ago that percentage is much lower. Mix with absolute rates, to fool idiots.

Rajoy:
"And that is understandable, because in recent times have gone up in prices, mortgages"

Zp rising mortgage ???????? Like what has risen is the Euribor

Rajoy:
"When we left government, inflation stood at 2'1. And now you leave us again in the 4'3 ".

And what was the inflation in Europe 4 years ago? tb was much lower. With oil at 100dolares.

Rajoy:
Today there is a problem of liquidity; today no one gives a euro. And ask all those people who have to request a credit, small and medium enterprises, if someone gives you one euro. And that's the problem Mr Zapatero, we need to maintain our level decreased external financing and that funding in these
Currently it is very difficult to achieve.

Is the crisis in subprime mortgages should be blamed for ZP tb?

I see in demagoguery and economy commissary.

# 14, krollian

February 26, 2008, at 10:12.

In the debate (which were actually two rallies) have won the screenwriters and the monologue.
He has lost a citizen in a media spectacle where there has been a confrontation of "liars".
Someone else so far in all this who entrusted their vote? None ...
Ah, also won the bankers and continues to lose the Currito that ever bleeds more ...
And the Albertos strolling down the street ...

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# 15, adam

February 26, 2008, at 10:12.

In FRANCE by these social problemillas it solved in a week here and I wonder what else needs to happen so that the people took to the streets here there are rallies where such a raul is not going to the selection, when the other goes to the second , in operation ... so we as a triumph in 36 entertained us with bread and circuses

+44

# 16, Seelah

February 26, 2008, at 10:14.

# 6, pepipe
Today planito comes again, so we can go up or down slightly, but not shocking ...
EURIBOR 1Y 4.37 0.00 4.42 4.32 26-02 10:04
Remember the porrraaaaaaaaa

# 17, Font

February 26, 2008, at 10:15.

To # 16, Seelah:
Today lowers the Euribor.

# 18, Seelah

February 26, 2008, at 10:20.

# 17, Font
Do not you think yesterday was just as planito and rose 19 milliseconds ...

# 19, sirialuna

February 26, 2008, at 10:23.

I tell you another story of PICAP ...
Perdonadme but if you go to your market and all posts are of Swiss because all grown, as you do not cultivate the Swiss are Stienen to buy another clear and the price is more expensive, you're the most expensive of the entire market, since Decide planting potatoes. you go to the market and as ESEL single seat of potatoes you buy from you, but later put more replies epatatas d like you but the crops can be competitively priced.

if the few companies that have foreign pyran us, it is not clear whether there is room not eat, taxation, industrial land and so how expensive are going to compete?

Suna example and a company that has few competitors in your industry are manufacturers, but manufacturers of spain are many problems and are expensive, china will make you samples and require a certain quality and standards, the Products has much better quality than here and is half cheaper.

I want to say that our companies do not compete, is that many are marching, and billet that has no more rope.

puticlubs we end up riding in spain, because tourism s elo are charging.

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# 20, Ein

February 26, 2008, at 10:29.

Debate very, very ... flojito candidates did not have a strong case in any field is limited to Rollover all the points trying to get better than rival in the final photo ...
Disservice to this country and its voters, whose culture is much higher than the level shown in the debate. Loathing of demagoguery!

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# 21, SirJuan

February 26, 2008, at 10:30.

# 13, Ano-mum

I see partisanship and opinions interested xD

The crisis in subprime mortgages is not the fault of ZP much less, but what is clear (Recently someone put a link to be commenting) is that European banks are not FIAN a hair of the Spaniards, because they understand that The Spanish economy this jo.ia by mortgages that have been granted with the blessing of the party that prevails in this case ZP is guilty of failing to prevent speculation, and by having an economy based on the brick, something that ZP in 4 years did not try to change anything.

Yesterday the 2 lied to criticism and if you support the 2, but only to criticize one or the other ... I'm sorry but to campaign there are other forums ...

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# 22, laia25

February 26, 2008, at 10:32.

Uffff! I go to a hundred of the forum of debate yesterday, please care to comment on this character, I gave, that if you're not going to the courts to play basketball, or quit running in the bars where immigrants will be because there is a "Little" racist ...

# 57, Dalma

February 26, 2008, at 10:21.

In the neighborhood where I have grown up there is a tennis court, a soccer field, some swings for children, basketball court, etc ... but fijate that we can not use because they are from early morning until the last night occupied by hundreds of immigrants who do not let you zoom in or, you know? When you let things go as a estercolero (paper, plastic plates, beer bottles, aluminum foil everywhere ... ..) and I say you have no more rights than us? In my town there are two areas of progress, where a youth and another where we (IBAMA), 30 people up. Now we can not leave because they have appropriated all the bars. I have seen incredible beatings of immigrants to people of my city because if all life, because I get the wins split the face. It has been called the police and have neither been approached to bring order and stop the violent .... that's not have more rights ????? My sister earns 11,900 euros gross per year, was unable to access a protective housing official because the minimum required was 12,000 euros gross per year. You know the number of immigrants who had been on the lists if they had won the floor ?????? And that's not have more rights?

23 #, Breogan

February 26, 2008, at 10:34.

Do you have set as a long discourse of memory and time stipulated fair?. Took very well learned the lesson ...

Solves announced that the measure is only for the mortgage they really are very justitos, of course that in normal coindiciones anyone is interested in extending the term of the mortgage. (Well, you are interested in the bank).

The debate yesterday, saying that would help people to decide the undecided vote ... the only thing that was clear to me is that the two are pathetic X (

Of all mo

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24 #, Max

February 26, 2008, at 10:39.

# 22, laia25, my faith in the commentary Dalma.
In my neighborhood is impossible to use a basketball court, basically because they are always busy and if you want to use them should be paying them ...

+36

# 25, Breogan

February 26, 2008, at 10:41.

laia25

I do not consider myself to anything racist, and I stopped going to see the South Americans no Follonica riding down the street and liándose to fights every weekend. I assure you that it is not tasty dish pass them along to return home because they do not dare not to look at his face.

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# 26, Resignao

February 26, 2008, at 10:42.

you have seen the proposal in France:

will open an investigation to clarify the costs of production and transportation of raw materials and basic foods and check the capital gains generated by their sales at farmers, transporters and sellers at retail. And it will take legal action if those gains are unfair and if they find an agreement on the price rise disproportionately.

Oleh, Oleh and oleh.

And while we here swallowing shit in rallies and debates of pantomime. Not see each swept for home, said neither supreme truths, and as long as there are politicians and those who miss us. Os dísteis account that an as yet another in several moments of the debate they escaped the word "voters" instead of citizens?

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# 27, Laplace

February 26, 2008, at 10:44.

Speaking of statistics ...

The paradox is that the inventor of statistics drowned in a swimming pool whose average depth of the water was 8 cm.
At least that is what they told me I had the pimer professor of statistics.

Changing the subject: Look who do not know what a BOBOBUS! (YYU forgiveness, Bonobus wanted to say that I would be thinking?)

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# 28, poor enculator

February 26, 2008, at 10:49.

A debate under conditions as stringent, in turn, beat, flat-contraplano, really serves no purpose. Who feel the two and talk for hours and then put that plan into big brother, and each canal repeating the "most interesting moves" to their ideology.
Ahi market would be the authentic candidate. And I had fixed hearing.

If they want to win the undecided vote, for me yesterday what has exactly the same value as a parade of candidates at thong. None.
And I agree with all my strength to comment # 14, krollian:
"And the Albertos strolling down the street ..."
But there have not entered either, nor has it been given much hype in any way. I do not think I'm going to go out and vote.

# 29, OLGY

February 26, 2008, at 10:50.

# 22, laia25

February 26, 2008, at 10:32.

Rather, you will not know this situation. It is not being racist to leave them where to go if not more good is that sometimes you play or just be where you are afraid that if they are seen as a fight and look like the police does not do anything which comes out with a navajazo caveza or you can be your departure.

And as the debate has been a monologue, you can not rely on 2 characters that they simply tirase dirty on each other

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# 30, krollian

February 26, 2008, at 10:53.

Anyone following the debate ooyó RNE 1? The calls were not wasted ...

# 31, Ein

February 26, 2008, at 10:53.

Laia, I am sorry, maybe I taches as racist as well, but believe me that I endorse the comments and writings.
You have to get off the sidewalk because you do not want to miss while touring with your partner, or that when you go to walk into a bar you get a couple at the door to invitandote things are not going to because I do not take it. Not to mention the fights that I could be avoided ...

+41

# 32, laia25

February 26, 2008, at 10:55.

# 29, OLGY

Will be that there are no fights Spaniards, is that there are no Spaniards who go with knife, is that there are no hitches Spanish pasting of bags ...

To me, if you commit crime are just as bad for here, those in there, and beyond.

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# 33, Dalma

February 26, 2008, at 10:55.

# 22, laia25

Good morning Laia25. I assure you that this character like you call me is not at all racist. Te dire that I have worked in a clothing store for women and I have very good friends I made in the store from Roma until Colombian, Brazilian, Peruvian ... If you can not go into the bars is because they are exclusively for them and it is they who We prohibit the entry. If you dare to look them in the face and think that racism is the Christ and have mounted. In the athletic basketball, if you want to go play them I have to pay to use them. When I go out on weekends and go back to my home I have to give you a pretty big detour to avoid certain streets that are full of immigrants and is not the first time I've come home out of breath because I have followed since it is where I live a quiet and 4 in the morning not many people there. Now dare to call me a racist.

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# 34, OLGY

February 26, 2008, at 10:56.

LAIA guess that there will be no INTERPRET THE MESSAGE WELL.
DQ A SIGHT THAT WE HAVE Most people said the same (and we assure you CAN NOT HAVE BOTH RACIST) WHAT YOU CAN NOT BE THAT IS WHAT WE THE Gridlock I have to go coercion and NOT GET OVER THE SAME AID.

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# 35, Hipotecadohastalascejas

February 26, 2008, at 10:57.

Upps forget the baton,

26/02/08 4,367
Close half February 4324
Euribor 6m 4.56
That knife down and interest rates ..
Certainly I'd prefer not to talk about the debate, because in my case (and my house) will be extended to the many and today I had to up early with a leganes with colacao

36 #, Cipotekeitor

February 26, 2008, at 10:58.

Please disputes racism to the forum, or to ring in any case.

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# 37, OLGY

February 26, 2008, at 11:00.

FOCUS IS NOT WANT TO UNDERSTAND WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY NOT BE VIVES TO COME OUT AND PUBLIC IS AWARDED ONE THING (AND NOT MY CODE FOR THE CODE FOR CHILDREN AND GRANDPARENTS are scared TO CALL THEIR MONEY NOW)

+25

# 38, sopelmar

February 26, 2008, at 11:00.

I recognize that this is a stupid question, but among all the participants as one dares to respond

the VPO to be built in this country, besides the minimum economic conditions, not to own any other house, take years apuntao (Basque Country believe that the old weighs) ... ... well because in addition to all these premises, the question is this:

the unborn in spain call tramitao immigrants who have residency papers, have priority when receiving a social housing over the Spaniards who lleban more time apuntaos requesting housing blessed to live as individuals

Eye do not need me home with mine left over, but if my suspicions are true will have to change my vote, because in the end the marginalized are going to be my own compatriots, the truth and we went from good to end abuse to future generations and the jubilaos and neither commented, many worse than dogs, I really do not understand the path taken by this country.

ui 11: 10, which lower the Euribor man but will have to pay more taxes to save your ass to mileurista decided that sold for life by an in zulo the center of 189000E

+24

# 39, nagoiri

February 26, 2008, at 11:00.

Yesterday reinvented the term "debate" .... I thought I was discussing something else. Soliloquios de 2 personas sentadas una enfrente de otra cada una hablando de una cosa en turnos no es un debate, es una farsa. Yo queria ver el debate para ver si me decidía por uno de los canditatos y ahora lo tengo claro, a ninguno por mentirosos y demagogos!

Y siento la incursión politica que ya se q esto es un foro de economía. Porra para el Euribor de hoy 4.38

+11

# 40 , Maverick

26 de Febrero de 2008, a las 11:01.

#32, laia25

Que facil es criticar a los demás y llamarles “racista” tan a la ligera. Ponte en el pellejo de más de uno/ay te lo pensarás dos veces antes de volver a utilizar este calificativo. Hay zonas en que todos esos casos que se comentan están a la orden del dia, y el que no quiera verlo que se quite la venda de los ojos y deje de ser “tan guay” por llamar racistas a los demás. Un poco de respeto por favor.

+43

# 41 , Resignao

26 de Febrero de 2008, a las 11:02.

laia25

Lo siento pero me adhiero a los demás comentarios que no te dan la razón. No estoy seguro, pero creo que no has vivido esa situación. Yo si, de no poder jugar en pistas de futbol y basket porque las tienen ocupadas todo el sábado y domingo y tener que pagarles si quieres jugar. Yo he sufrido la situación en el parque que está entre valdezarza y barrio del pilar, un domingo por la tarde dando un paseo por allí y tener que salir del parque porque estaban multitud de hispanos de domingueo, con las puertas de los maleteros abiertas, con cascos de litrona tirados por los suelos, rotos, papeles por los suelos de haber comido allí y bastantes borrachos y alterados.

Yo te puedo hablar con propiedad y no sé si será el caso de esta chica, pero el mío lo es. Y te animo a que te “documentes” en primera persona y luego opines. En lo de las navajas y palizas también me adhiero porque he tenido que esquivar tres.

+50

# 42 , poor enculator

26 de Febrero de 2008, a las 11:04.

#33, Dalma

Totalmente de acuerdo.

# 43 , Cipotekeitor

26 de Febrero de 2008, a las 11:05.

Y hablando de estadísticas manipuladas, vuelvo a hacer una pregunta que hice en su día y quedó sin contestación:

¿Cuales son las causas de que la inflación en España sea mayor que en el conjunto de Europa?

Porque las excusas de siempre, son globales a mi entender: Precio del petróleo, materias primas en origen,…o quizás es que por nuestro caracter picaresco y sinevergonzón se nos ha ido de madre el redondeo del euro?

Por favor, alguien que debata conmigo de esto….

# 44 , Granaino

26 de Febrero de 2008, a las 11:06.

#22, laia25
Para nada ese comentario es racista (igual solo
cuenta lo que pasa). decir la verdad no es ser racista, mi
humilde opinion claro.

+42

# 45 , sopelmar

26 de Febrero de 2008, a las 11:07.

#38, sopelmar

de verdad me cuesta creer que seamos tan “buenos” con el alien especulador que llevamos dentro , regalar el ladrillo al primero que viene de africa america o norte de europa , me da igual que sea del color que sea

es que no me lo creo por eso pregunto ¿es cierto ?

# 46 , laia25

26 de Febrero de 2008, a las 11:08.

Bueno,
aparto tema racismo, creo que no nos vamos a poner de acuerdo. ´

EURIBOR 1W 4,08 0,00 4,13 4,03 26-02 10:52
EURIBOR 2W 4,10 0,00 4,15 4,05 26-02 10:52
EURIBOR 1M 4,17 0,00 4,22 4,12 26-02 10:52
EURIBOR 2M 4,27 0,00 4,32 4,22 26-02 10:52
EURIBOR 3M 4,35 0,00 4,40 4,30 26-02 10:52
EURIBOR 6M 4,37 0,00 4,42 4,32 26-02 10:52
EURIBOR 9M 4,37 0,00 4,42 4,32 26-02 10:52
EURIBOR 1Y 4,37 0,00 4,42 4,32 26-02 10:52

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# 47 , Anónimo

26 de Febrero de 2008, a las 11:10.

#33, Dalma

Probablemente tengas razón en quejarte, pero el tema de que sean inmigrantes o no es un tema más profundo. Además de que hay otros sitios donde, sin haber inmigrantes hay la misma inseguridad (podría poner ejemplos pero no me gusta clasificar a gente ni a barrios), hay que tener en cuenta que la misma sociedad hace que los inmigrantes acaben en ghettos sin posibilidades.

Ojalá mejore el ambiente en tu barrio porque supongo que será super-incomodo, peligroso…, pero no hay que quedarse en las ramas e ir a la raíz del asunto.

-18

# 48 , Emilio

26 de Febrero de 2008, a las 11:11.

Laia25,si me lo permites,te contesto aqui lo que has dicho sobre Pizarro y la opa de Endesa.Sin acritud,eh?
Te recuerdo a ti ya muchos, que Gas Natural(yo creo que lo mismo daba en un principio,que fuera catalana o de Soto del Real), ofreció a los accionistas de Endesa,sobre 18€ por accion y no en dinero, sino en acciones. A Pizarro le salió otra novia, E-ON, que llegó a ofrecer, primero 30,despues 35 y mas tarde 40, en EFECTIVO. Que le iba a interesar más a Pizarro ya sus accionistas? Vamos por favor!!! Lo que pasa que el gobierno,cogido por los cataplines por los catalanes, se vio obligado a forzar a Pizarro a que aceptara, cosa por la que aún estamos recibiendo sanciones de Bruselas. Ante la negativa de éste, y su empeño para que se la quedaran los alemanes (mejor postor), los del gobierno central y catalan, empezaron a enarbolar la bandera del patriotismo, diciendo que Pizarro preferia que se fuera a Alemania, que el que se quedara en España(si,patriotismo,quien dice que el concepto de España es discutido y discutible, y quienes quieren la separacion). Al final que pasó? Que los “patriotas” fueron a Italia a convencer a Prodi que una empresa pública italiana se hciera con la opa. Eso sí. Sobre 45€ por acción. (un 140% MAS DE LO QUE LE QUERIAN OBLIGAR A ACEPTAR A PIZARRO).
Seguro,que ningún accionista de Endesa, maldice a Pizarro, y si tu, y los que lo critican por aquello, hubierais tenido acciones, no pensariais lo mismo…o si?
Un saludo para todos.

+25

# 49 , Fausto

26 de Febrero de 2008, a las 11:11.

Si esto es cierto menudo pelotazo……..

BILBAO, 26 (EUROPA PRESS)
Inversis Banco, entidad especializada en el asesoramiento en inversiones a clientes particulares e institucionales, destaca que España sigue siendo una opción “interesante” y le otorga un potencial próximo a los 17.000 puntos de Ibex.
Estas perspectivas fueron dadas a conocer ayer en el Palacio Euskalduna de Bilbao ante más de 500 invitados ha presentado en el Palacio Euskalduna de Bilbao, a los que se dirigió el director de análisis y gestión de la entidad, Juan Luis García.
En su intervención, señaló que se está ante un año de “difícil pronóstico” en el que la renta variable “vuelve a ser el activo con más potencial”. No obstante, indicó que el binomio rentabilidad-riesgo es “más desfavorable”, lo que hará que la composición de carteras “tenga un corte más defensivo que en años anteriores”.
Según Inversis Banco, la renta fija, “un año más” no parece un “activo interesante”, debido a que la recepción de flujos en los últimos meses se ha producido por salida de los bonos corporativos y renta variable y no tanto por un efecto de impacto real en la economía.
A su juicio, los bancos centrales tienen en sus manos una de las labores “más arduas” de los últimos tiempos y de sus decisiones dependerá gran parte de la evolución de los mercados en 2008.
García cree probable que la Reserva Federal Estadounidense (FED) baje los tipos y apuntó que el Banco Central Europeo (BCE) ya ha dado señales de la “complicada” balanza entre inflación al alza y tensión en el mundo del crédito. “Parece probable una actuación, tal y como ha ocurrido hasta ahora, a través de inyección de liquidez en el sistema en momentos problemáticos, lo cual permitiría mantener los tipos de interés inalterados”, afirmó.
EEUU
En su análisis, se refirió a Estados Unidos, señalando que en 2008 “pierde tracción”. En concreto, Inversis Banco espera un crecimiento del 2 por ciento este año, una cifra que se sitúa “muy por debajo de lo habitual y también por debajo de su potencial”. No obstante, indicó que ésto “no supone una recesión severa”, aunque en algún trimestre se den tasas de crecimiento negativas.
Por otro lado, destacó que el consumo por el efecto vivienda no es “alentador”, pero como contrapartida la inversión y el sector exterior “ayudarán a paliarlo”.
Inversis Banco considera que el dólar, por su parte, seguirá con una tendencia de moderado descenso, aunque augura que, si el ciclo bajista toca a su fin durante la segunda parte del año, se empezará a ver un “rebote” de esta divisa.
En relación a Europa, destacó que previsiblemente volverá a crecer menos que Estados Unidos hacia final de año, aunque en este caso “la noticia positiva es que la demanda interna suplirá las carencias del sector exterior (euro)”. “Se producirán ciertas mejoras (Francia), y ciertos empeoramientos (España), pero Europa crecerá menos (1,8%), a pesar de lo cual la diferencia frente al potencial europeo no será tan grande como en el caso americano”, señaló.
Inversis Banco indicó que España sigue siendo una opción “interesante”, “más por la propia composición de su índice que por valoración del mercado en su conjunto, “que es uno de los más caros de Europa”. En concreto, le otorga un potencial próximo a los 17.000 puntos de Ibex.

# 50 , Resignao

26 de Febrero de 2008, a las 11:12.

Cipotekeitor #43:

en mi opinión, la subida por encima de la media europea de españa en los productos de primera necesidad creo que es el reflejo de como lo llamas tu “el caracter picaresco y sinvergonzón”. Yo lo llamaría la avaricia y las ganas de hacerse rico a costa de los demás sin importar el cómo ni las consecuencias. He puesto un post más arriba en el que menciono medidas que anunciaron ayer en Francia para estudiar si la subida de precios está justificada o es un fenómeno especulativo y amañado por agricultores, transportistas y vendedores.

Una medida así sería muy aplauidida por todos los españolitos de a pie (yo lo haría) y qué duda cabe que en estos días de campaña sería muy ventajosa en la carrera por los “votantes”.

+10

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