The beginning of the economy.

Always Troglo re talking about the world's oldest profession but rarely spoke of the economic process oldest in the world. It will be because there are certain things that arouse more interest than others. Perhaps one of the oldest economic activities is barter. Though it may seem a lie, still remains in place, such as "The Gift of Time of Cincinnati" in 1847 which created the first "Bank of Time", such as Wikipedia may explain better than me (and besides, I Monday) , I cut and paste:

A bank of time is a system of exchange of services by time. In it the unit of exchange is not money but a measure of time, for example one hour. It is a system of exchange of services for services or favors for favors. Proposes the advantage of promoting the social relations and equality between different economic strata.

Imagine, for example, that certain individuals, not being in need of money, it is time, and were willing to ask for a loan in terms of time. Thus, as in traditional financial systems, there is a shift (in this case time), from the surplus units to deficitiarias, in exchange for a certain profitability of course, paid in monetary or time.

I read in the finance section of Yahoo! a story entitled "You buy your house if I purchase mine" (in English). The concept of exchange houses has existed for a long time, but was used only for holiday. Now that the housing market in the U.S. is so touched, barter returns as an opportunity to change residence. Internet and technology has helped a lot with the creation of websites such as OnlineHouseTrading.

The truth is that the real estate sector has been very moved these years, while 13.3% of the park changed hands in less than three years.

The frenzied buying activity that has characterized the Spanish housing market sheds intriguing findings. When comparing the total number of transactions recorded with the number of houses that exist in each province that since the beginning of 2004, at which time begins to run statistics, 3.16 million homes, 13.3% of total park , Has changed hands.

Numbers Though curious what the news are not the numbers but it did not have statistics prior to 2004, shows without doubt that the opacity has been provided in this sector and how difficult it is to believe that you give any figure. I strongly recommend reading this article: The housing prices, who really knows what?

With regard to markets, is expected to provide a quiet day as it is a holiday on the other side of the pond, for now plays a small rebound after the blatant manipulation that we saw in the stock markets last Friday (futures contracts expired and had to disguise a little).

So I wonder, given that we fry a tax return to barter ¿some day?

Written by Carlos Lopez on February 18, 2008 with comments not permitted.
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# 1, scaly

February 18, 2008, at 9:46.

Change relative optimism by exaggerated pessimism

Why here

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# 2, felfas

February 18, 2008, at 9:48.

the only thing that is clear is that these elections will be defined to determine that there is truth in the promises of each party, that are not afraid and the market have much

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# 3, Fausto

February 18, 2008, at 9:50.

More or less that is what is called work, I paid for my time of 7h.

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# 4, firecracker

February 18, 2008, at 9:55.

Today is a firecracker Clopez

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# 5, cgloria

February 18, 2008, at 9:55.

Good morning,
And today bajadita touch?

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# 6, Zanshin

February 18, 2008, at 10:04.

Let's see if at least down to 4324.

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# 7, Paola

February 18, 2008, at 10:16.

clopez,

I'm trying to access the web, but I said that my password is invalid and I have not changed .?¿?¿?¿

Meanwhile, here I launch my question to see if any of you want to say I can ayudar.Qué acronyms TIN and that the difference with the APR When you say it applies, for example, a TIN 8.25% and 10% APR, really what you pay interest on credit / loan?.

thanks to all

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# 8, Fausto

February 18, 2008, at 10:18.

# 7 Paola

Nominal Interest Rate (abbreviated as nominal interest) to the percentage of money that occurs when running the payment of interest. Best explained with an example:

If you have a nominal interest of 6% per annum and is applied once a year, when it is applied is paid by 6% over what was saved.
If applied once a month, instead of a year, would be 6% / 12 = 0.5% of what it was saved.
But the following month, the TIN is about what is saved over what was produced by the interest. With regard to the end of the year is as if they had more than 6% interest.

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# 9, cosmic Barrilete

February 18, 2008, at 10:21.

Interesting Lopez!

Is it possible to barter in a society in which our only desire is to have and display, and have displayed? Is it possible that someone prefers to receive time instead of money when one of the great mistakes of our time is that many prefer to earn money (and houses, cars ...) but do not have time to spend it properly?

I think it is possible but only circumstantially, that is only a valid point for some. For others ... Hale pull more money, more Cayenne, more pisitos on the beach ...

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# 10, JavierML

February 18, 2008, at 10:24.

Would you like to save on the fixed costs of the house?

Well, even if you do not have much to do with what we speak here today, Gas Natural has taken what is called "Online Savings Plan." Is that if you use the Internet for his efforts with them, including receiving their invoices via email, etc., you reduce the bill by 15%. Look for "Savings Plan Online" in google and you get the link where you click.

In my case, which in the past 12 months I spent approx. 600 euros in Gas Natural, saving up to 90 euros a year approx. It will be a little less, because it is 15% on fixed-term gas.

So if you are interested, you know.

Among others, is a savings in paper, ink for printing, postage, etc.

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# 11, Merche

February 18, 2008, at 10:27.

if it were the barter exchange that economic society had wanted to, is that any tax

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# 12, Seelah

February 18, 2008, at 10:27.

I suppose it is more clarification on loans:
TIN: applied to pay interest on a monthly basis.
TAE: interest you pay on a monthly + commissions. This is the real interest, because although you say you pay your car to a TIN 6.25%, if the SAD is ie 8.50% more than a good TIN to a bad APR, because it has many committees. The APR is not the one you pay each month but includes what you pay for opening, paperwork, formalization, insurance, etc. which gives you a much closer odea how you gonna the total loan.

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# 13, exAlquilada

February 18, 2008, at 10:39.

# 9, cosmic Barrilete

What happens? now we must aspire to be poorly?
because I want 3 or 4 floors (a beach somewhere cadiz, another on a beach in bizkaia, my mortgage payment and another in the village), a pair of cochazos, and someone that I cook and I ironed.

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# 14, Loquehayqueoir

February 18, 2008, at 10:43.

And if all of us to take it ... I want you cocinaría and plancharía you?

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# 15, Loquehayqueoir

February 18, 2008, at 10:43.

# 13, exAlquilada

And if all of us to take it ... I want you cocinaría and plancharía you?

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# 16, exAlquilada

February 18, 2008, at 10:46.

# 15, Loquehayqueoir

but it's not going to get all that we not have seen that some people do not want money and are satisfied to some?
the worst thing is that neither do I'm going to get :-( but I will try.

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# 17, exAlquilada

February 18, 2008, at 10:46.

"That has"
I have no forgiveness -> "to this"

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# 18, marron_cillo

February 18, 2008, at 10:47.

My time:

I am selling my time and when you work, I sell a little of my and my family. To see my daughters grow, to laugh with my wife, playing with them, and so on.

I can appreciate my time is worth far, no serious purpose, are others who value it for me. Okay my time less than that of a doctor or an architect? For if, by that I started selling my time with a doctor 19 years and began to sell it later, after studying in reverse for years. (we already know that investments are a risk, there are graduates mileuristas). So which sells soon, does not receive the same benefits that saves and invests it, selling it later.

They also buy time. Buy the time of orchard, the doctor, the gardener to plant fruits, etc.. Also, of course, buy time for his family, his friends, his people.

That's why I think that is not new money, just change the currency.

Regarding the barter, I think ... What do I have that you may need throughout the world?. I know enough people with enough knowledge so that, what I do, so I changed to what I need?

Because it will not be. Nobody is going to the town square to find a mechanic and pay him with a plane ... if a house is an architect?? A capoeira class? Do you represent hamlet, where the car of an actor?

It's going to be things, we like it or not, are fine as they are. With nuances, like everyone, but are fine. Besides, if there were no taxes, would have to pay on time, right? and what else win, would have to go through, for example, 15 days a year to roads, or building a bridge, for example.

And eye, that my taxes ... I like to work more. But utopias me tired, I'm more than fix what I have to combine what they do not know.

Sorry for the plate and good days at all.

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# 19, Don Juan

February 18, 2008, at 10:50.

DES NO IDEAS ... ... ... ... ...
What's certain is that barter has always existed and has been spared, until today, the existence of intrermediarios that, although somewhat manipulate the product (packaging, marketing ...) so if you do always is to increase its price . Po So, what to tell you not because of ideas is certain that some political cunning he can occur with the idea of taxing such transactions tax that would affect even the children in the courtyard of the colleges in their daily work of change prints of footballers, as happens in the transfer of assets from parents to children, inheritance, etc., there is always someone who profits (recorders, notaries, government) in a transaction almost compulsory and free "economic benefit" to which gives the well, because he has died, or because it was a gift to a descendant.

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# 20, Paola

February 18, 2008, at 10:50.

Fausto i Seelah,

thanks to two.
Seelah, from what I've answered the question that I have done is precisely because I have been dead the car and I have to buy one. It will be second hand and cost me 7500 eur.
The conditions they give me are:

1% commission opening.
0% commission cancellation or partial repayment.
0% Commission shall study and deintervención broker's commission trading.
* includes "loan protected."
TIN: 6.75% annually Revisable: DKK 12 months + 3.95.

According to this hidden charges or commissions are going to charge me, a part of the "loan protected"?:

thanks,

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# 21, cosmic Barrilete

February 18, 2008, at 10:53.

# 13 ExAlquilada,

I do not aspire to be poor but what I mean is that they do not aspire to have a Cayenne if I did not flip the car and I do not have time to take my kids on a trip there (I put the example of the Cayenne because I think its very striking Recent growth).

Man, my real aspiration, I will not deceive you, you have to Mogollon pasta without hitting a stick to water. But that's what I presume impossible unless I see an unknown benefactor, and I think therefore that the barter-time money would be nice, talking about the subject that opened the forum today, but not many people seem willing to put it into practice .

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# 22, oscar

February 18, 2008, at 10:53.

Unlike the bloody Euribor today or low rises or falls as

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# 23, Font

February 18, 2008, at 10:55.

To whom it may concern:
I am a client of Deutsche Bank (for now), they call a few weeks ago to see what kind of mortgage I could offer. When compared with ING, I have chosen to deal with this entity. I have called you 10 minutes of the Deutsche Bank asked whether he had signed the mortgage with another institution, I said that yet. Have told me that today (I've looked over the Internet and not yet) has left the "mortgage breakthrough" that is at the Euribor +0.17. No further details because my conversation with the deutsche is over when I said that it is for amounts in excess of 200,000 euros and that is not my case.
When you have the more information you give is of interest if any.
Greetings

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# 24, A question?

February 18, 2008, at 10:56.

Good!!
One question:
If I were in 2007 "I have been able to" pay my monthly mortgage of 850 € and I've repaid € 7800 (reducing time, not capital), that is I've paid my beloved bank a total of 18,000 €.
In the tax return I will return 15% of the 18,000 € between my partner and me?
Thank you all.

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# 25, Loquehayqueoir

February 18, 2008, at 10:58.

# 16, exAlquilada

I do not think anybody is in line with recently. You just have priorities and I, before losing quality of life (for me not marked by money but by the time doing what you like) I prefer not to have 4 houses and 8 cars. And no longer go into the topic that, normally, to earn money someone has to lose, and there are several people who neither likes that.

But the economy is moved by people whose greed is greater than I said, and if it were not for them as we do not know if better or worse.

And yes, you have forgiveness, we all write fast and we slip Delta.

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# 26, Murdok

February 18, 2008, at 10:59.

# 23, Font

Look at the fine print that with a spread as low as is normal that you have insurance, cards ... Certainly there muypocos deutche bank and other banks to take advantage of this card is paid (I have).

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# 27, Concuñao

February 18, 2008, at 10:59.

I love bartering.

- We eurotrueque today quoted upward.

- The bank Santantrueque you want our money.

- We have the sub-prime barter with a high risk to those who in these times of pre-crisis need for strong emotions.

- Finally, highlight the CPI-Barter

Someone gives more?

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# 28, marron_cillo

February 18, 2008, at 11:01.

clopez ....

26 post to go now ... how many are on the proposed theme and how many should be in other forums elsewhere?

Come on, is that between mortgage deals and they say if pitonisas rises or lowers the Euribor (eye, which I am interested if it goes up or down like that but) this is becoming more distorted and end up talking, as well be said not long ago, racism or the government, as always, and not what matters.

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# 29, Murdok

February 18, 2008, at 11:02.

24 a question

Te "deducted" 15% of those 18,000 half with your partner which means less pay or charge more it all depends on whether you would pay no mortgage or repay.

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# 30, Paku

February 18, 2008, at 11:05.

# 24, A question?

Well, yes, provided that the conditions for long: housing usual, that the apartment is in the name of both ... That deduction is a maximum of € 9015.18 per statement. That is, every one of you will be able to deduct 15% of 9000 euros. Eye with the joint declaration, because you could only deduct 15% from 9000 (although between the two since you have 18000).

Greetings.

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# 31, Elijah

February 18, 2008, at 11:07.

For Murdock

I got the letter from Deutsche where he said that the collection of cards, I went to my office and told me it was a balloon catheter, which was not carried out. And to me, at least, I have never been recovered, and that I usually get the money in Cajamadrid.

A greeting

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# 32, Murdok

February 18, 2008, at 11:07.

What diriais me if I make a demonstration against the government to lower the Euribor axfisiando this to me or to me that the government return the 200 € to pay more now? I shit and pay me with METI conditions on the Euribor ...
Well today I read http://noticias.msn.es/articulo.aspx?id=302740&ds=EP and the truth is that I am outraged (who is exits the subject) but we will pay pq between the Spaniards to their afinsa have cheated you with the forum and ????, not be the same stupid to ask that give us the difference in the Euribor?

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# 33, Font

February 18, 2008, at 11:08.

To # 26, Murdok:
As I said I have no more information because I have commented over the phone. I can not read fine print because I do not have more information. Indeed charge fees for bringing in other ATMs that are not yours, even if they are to serve. Obviously not sack money from other ATMs that are not yours. In any way, and I said that I am a customer of time. As a client of ING am, I give orders over the Internet that I spend the money and then I'm going extracting cash machines that do not charge 4b expenses. The deutsche is not going to get from me or one cent commission for bringing ATM to serve.

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# 34, Gasteiz

February 18, 2008, at 11:11.

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2 kk 4,276 -0,002
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# 35, jesus

February 18, 2008, at 11:11.

MEETING 18/02/2008 11:07

Middle type
Euribor Week 4.115
1 Month Euribor 4.18
Euribor 2 Months 4.276
3 Month Euribor 4.358
6 Month Euribor 4.355
12 Month Euribor 4.355

15/02/2008 Eonia 4.008

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# 36, Carlos Lopez

February 18, 2008, at 11:13.

The truth is that Monday I have a lot to draw any topic at the moment there is very little economic news to highlight ... Basically, almost grateful for a little peace of mind from time to time.
I updated the article with this interesting link: http://www.gurusblog.com/archives/los-precios-de-la-vivienda-% C2% BFquien-sabe-realmente-cuales-son/14/02/2008 /

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# 37, another more.

February 18, 2008, at 11:14.

So are our neighbors:
The price of housing in the UK rose for the first time in four months in February, because the cut in rates charged by the central bank pushed vendors to ask for more money for their buildings, according to Bloomberg's portal contains homelessness Rightmove . The average price rose by 3.2% in a month to 237,856 pounds, 317,000 euros. In January, fell by 0.8%.

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# 38, Murdok

February 18, 2008, at 11:14.

# 33, Font

I have read it correctly, I mean that when you look at the data well, I smell a cat trapped ;-)

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# 39, Fausto

February 18, 2008, at 11:15.

And this raises the Petroli through the roof:
The Venezuelan president, Hugo Chávez, today threatened to cancel oil exports to the United States if Washington attacked his country, in statements made during his weekly program, Hello President.

"If America attacks us or try to do us harm, we will have to decide not to send either a single drop of our oil," warned the leader.

Chavez made the program from oil facilities that belonged to the recent energy giant Exxon Mobil, which recently has 12,000 to freeze millions of dollars in Venezuelan assets abroad in compensation for the nationalization by Chavez enacted last year.

"The oligarchy and the Venezuelan opposition lost their homeland shame, because they do not deliver what they care most sacred or most wanted, in this case, our oil," the Head of State.

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# 40, Enculator

February 18, 2008, at 11:18.

UK house prices rise in February
11:11 The price of housing in the UK rose for the first time in four months in February, because the cut in rates charged by the central bank pushed vendors to ask for more money for their buildings, according to Bloomberg collects Portal Rightmove housing. The average price rose by 3.2% in a month to 237,856 pounds, 317,000 euros. In January, fell by 0.8%.

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# 41, Murdok

February 18, 2008, at 11:21.

# 31, Elijah

Well, I do not understand, I cajamadrid a bag with the card's deutche and I spend the commissions, but then I returned at the end of the month by the association deutche mails (my father works in posts and therefore did not charge me the first 4 Refunds in another bank each month)

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# 42, Attila, King of the year

February 18, 2008, at 11:25.

You know everybody, to buy housing in the UK "which ejto will p'arriba!".

I see pain, a lot of pain ...

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# 43, HipoTKdo

February 18, 2008, at 11:27.

For q are from ING

On Friday I get a letter where I extend the deadline for making deposits to 8% in everything q joining CTA orange.

Q The odd thing is not displayed on the website, nor will we promote?

Someone got the same? There distinatas offerings?

Would be good to know where to comment on press and enforce our savings.

Regarding the barter and sale of our TIME q do, but I like the concept of value. The time is not on whether it is worth, but the added value that my time.
Heat seats ... does not add value.
We stand productivity. ESP is, you work more hours q in other countries, but that does not mean it will be more productive, that add most value.

Enjoy!

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# 44, Sergi

February 18, 2008, at 11:28.

Someone may explain pq now climbing again in recent days if he is practically discounted rates for lower end of the year

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# 45, Murdok

February 18, 2008, at 11:29.

Attila already left from under his rock, opera.

If you see so much pain you may need hecharte some eye drops. ;-)

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# 46, Seelah

February 18, 2008, at 11:29.

# 20, Paola
Before you sign anything ask them for the APR is that you apply. ME 2 things seem rare in the loans indicate that:
- Do not indicate it as (bad sign)
- That you liguen to an index used mainly in mortgages, as is the Euribor. If you are going to be variable, the lower you fly, no?

Right now the loans for cars fixed interest TIN to a van similar to that provided. If you are going to put variable assumes that you have to offer something a bit lower, no? If you do not offer it, I would seek another loan with a fixed interest TIN similar. I can recommend to the General Electric, which is what I got, with a TIN 6.25%.

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# 47, Murdok

February 18, 2008, at 11:31.

Dioss! I took the prize for spelling donkey "hecharte"

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# 48, Kalu

February 18, 2008, at 11:35.

# 32 Murdok
I completely agree with you on this issue. Surely if it had gone well the inversion, would not have told the state that split the profits with him.
SalU2

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# 49, Burbu

February 18, 2008, at 11:43.

# 43, HipoTKdo
ING sends different offers to different customers ... my wife and I are customers, I do not have submitted a bid on the life beyond the 5% and was, however, you have sent in more than one occasion offers deposits to 10 % ... And you know who has the pulp of the two!! ;-)

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# 50, exAlquilada

February 18, 2008, at 11:43.

# 43, HipoTKdo

I'm from ing for years and I have no news of it ...

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