Marching one of Keynes

Keynes It is a pity, because it could could be talking about the brand of beer, but I fear that plays to speak of John Maynard Keynes one of the most influential economists of the twentieth century and also one of the most controversial, given its defense in the state interventionism . Celebrities were following their appointments:

Another of the classic phrases of Keynes was one that read: "If they get away economists to become competent and humble people, the level of dentists, that would be splendid" The truth is that he took a bad example to the dentists, maybe 70 years ago would make more sense, but at the price they are or orthodontic implants, almost better than economists remain as están.Sus theories are discussed, but it is interesting to review them from time to time as they tried to cope with more than 75 years ago the same problems now, specifically had a very important role in the measures after the economic crash of 29.

A term coined and now has a lot of force is "liquidity trap" which shows a paradox in which, monetary policy has simply lost its effectiveness in influencing the economic situation of a country because people do not spend the amounts increasing money that produces the central bank. Let's say that even though the central bank injected money, is useless. The cause of this is the pessimism of consumers and their reluctance to spend.

That pessimism or lack of expectations we can see it in the "parable of the nannies" and then I explained that we saw in the area of comments a few months ago and which brought another translation of the original.

nanny Imagine a cooperative composed of 150 couples willing to become nannies (that unfortunately the neighborhood, none was Scarlett Johansson, as in the movie) when others in need. In return they could receive the same service when needed. The manner of payment was made with coupons whose value amounted to an hour of child care. As the couples started from the idea that it was not hard to look after children outside, the system had a good basis for trade-hour nannies.

It was originally handed a coupon to each couple and the system worked well. The welfare of each rose as they were leaving because it was easier to get the service. But you had to have an adequate volume of coupons in circulation to ensure the smooth functioning of the system. As there were few coupons in circulation, if a couple wanted to get out more often needed more than it had. Some couples began to build up reserves, others felt that the need for emergency and began a treasured and exits night fell.

But the evening departures of a couple were the demand for service nannies. The less demand, the speed of movement of the coupons was reduced. Since the available non-circulating, couples were forced to keep their vouchers to be used only in emergencies. The possibility of winning coupons will be reduced still further because members of the cooperative were more concerned about savings.

All this led to a vicious circle: members of the cooperative were left at home for fear of spending their coupons. And although they wanted to win for emergencies, could not do it because other couples also left out for the same reason. Everyone wanted to provide babysitting, but nobody wanted to hire them. The cooperative became so bored in a group that no longer went out at night.

The clearest example of the "liquidity trap" in Japan and we can see how some non-existent interest rates (absolute liquidity) did little to revive the economy. Could this be the main cause of the strength of Trichet, in his message? Will it be a Keynesiano Trichet?

Following this theoretical roll, let's see now that no matter how dark it is, it's always better to think that we know it in a story by Walt Disney (which, incidentally, won 26.5% less in its fiscal first quarter but managed to exceed the expectations of Wall Street).

Written by Carlos Lopez on February 6, 2008 with 302 points.
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# 1, tomaslangostino

February 6, 2008, at 9:40.

Euribor rises climbs!

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# 2, Lorena

February 6, 2008, at 9:47.

Hey, I can help. Check my mortgage in February and now is not that the Euribor apply to me. The December, January or February. Would I can help?
Thank you very much

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# 3, JavierML

February 6, 2008, at 9:49.

# 2 Lorena,

If you check after the February 21, the date of publication in the Official Gazette of the Euribor January (more or less), that of January.

If you check before, in December.

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# 4, Paco (Cavallet)

February 6, 2008, at 9:54.

Today I think it touches bajadita.
My baton to 4.327 today.

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# 5, Fausto

February 6, 2008, at 9:56.

Lorena,
Leet writes of the credit goes there reflected, is usually 2 months ago.

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# 6, aléalé

February 6, 2008, at 9:56.

ENCULATOR good days!
ajuegas to you today that "you're not" down the Euribor?

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# 7, Andgar

February 6, 2008, at 9:58.

Lorena, any of us can give an opinion that the Euribor you going to implement, but it is best to call the bank and you confirm. Anyway if you check in February, do not tell the Euribor February (for logical reasons), could be the January depending on the day to renew, but what would be the normal of December (I'm sorry), which is This means that already published in the Official Gazette.

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# 8, jordicat

February 6, 2008, at 10:05.

# 3, JavierML
February 6, 2008, at 9:49.

# 2 Lorena,

If you check after the February 21, the date of publication in the Official Gazette of the Euribor January (more or less), that of January.

If you check before, in December.

Depends on what they put in scriptures, as not all say they are using the latest published in the BOE (some explicitly used the penultimate as they made me see yesterday). They might even apply to the November depending on the day of review and read what the writing

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# 9, laia25

February 6, 2008, at 10:08.

Good morning!

Today bajadita Euribor, is not it?
My bet: 4319

Enculator, do not you go man, the best of this forum is the diversity of views, and the difference in intensity with which we discussed the same opinion.

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# 10, CRISTINA

February 6, 2008, at 10:08.

My writing brings apply Euribor + 0.75 but does not bring that month. Last year was the Euribor February, but not if you always work like that.

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# 11, Fausto

February 6, 2008, at 10:11.

Christian, it has put, what happens is that you write all that driving test .... more pompous impossible. Vote to do so readable and thus save on trees.

Greetings!

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# 12, sabina

February 6, 2008, at 10:13.

I copy and paste the comment yesterday on whether someone has it sounds:

Some day someone commented that it had obtained a mortgage with ing to the Euribor +0.29. How to get this differential? Negotiations? hiring some type of product?
if anyone remembers or has, I am grateful response.

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# 13, cgloria

February 6, 2008, at 10:14.

good morning,
I have a few days off because I did Bridge on Monday and yesterday was holiday here in Tenerife which is why the Shrovetide, and that happened to the Euribor god not go!
A greeting to all Forero and if they want to come to the Carnival there is still this weekend anímense!

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# 14, sabina

February 6, 2008, at 10:16.

# 10, CRISTINA
In theory if your review is annual, and last year you got the Euribor of February this year and when you catch the February.

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# 15, Granaíno

February 6, 2008, at 10:18.

Da think that the article in the Wall Street Journal, nothing
fetched around 900,000 unemployed more ...

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# 16, sirialuna

February 6, 2008, at 10:19.

therefore ask the bank that does not cost, but these things do wonder foreclosure before rather than after, or you do not know what you have signed.

we are in lean times and saving, as the hormiguitas by what might happen to me ... pardon me because a friend vielorusa said that the banks do not leave there because not one alomejor hard and what devices a month had gone bankrupt and lost money ... .. then with another anecdote does not cogían your child in school for lack of beds and got mad because we had not bribed to d ela school ajjajaa is normal that there is going bribing the entire world.

My question is whether we end up like them and as they were in spain formerly put the money under the mattress or in a sock

in order to wait for the rain and wait to clarify and that is that until the rain is in crisis, we are ready to charge the price of water as if it were gold ....

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# 17 Charles zgz

February 6, 2008, at 10:22.

And what are the ECB's thinking on the current situation?
What the interests of Japan should also serve as an example here, imagine an interest of 1%, would be the end of all crises. As we are Spaniards, with the cheap money to buy the card so we need to be sold and millions of plasma and LCD, vacations, alteration, cars, etc ...
At least with Spanish culture, some low-interest if it reactivated a lot of the economy.

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# 18, Resignao

February 6, 2008, at 10:26.

Let's see .... guiandome per page Infobolsa, I bet a bajadita soft, I take positions (this being the bag yet, something I have to stick to their jargon ...) in a 4325. Let's see how we go out today.

Indeed, according to analysts, brokers, as of yesterday were bad macro news. But it seems to me that I also wanted to collect profits from the stock market sharks.

Moral, not fall on the stock for now, and if you do, that is what INSURANCE not going to need long-term.

Saludetes Forero

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# 19, mercu3

February 6, 2008, at 10:27.

Very good article from the recession of Spain.
The truth says that only truths as fists ..

Let's see if the euribito is today by 4339

It is curious, one day it would have to count how many times people have asked about here that the Euribor is applied in its review and all that. Will we be an endangered species that people read the scriptures of our mortgage?
If it is then that we have what we deserve ...

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# 20, JavierML

February 6, 2008, at 10:30.

Sabina # 12

I called last year and offered it to me, although the website puts Euribor +0.33. I think it's because domiciled payroll.

# 8 Jordicat.

Well, you're right. There may be cases in which specifies enrevesados weird stuff, but most people refer to the last published in the Official Gazette.

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# 21, Orlando

February 6, 2008, at 10:30.

# 17: That is precisely the trap of liquidity. If there was too much money in circulation, demand would increase, but supply would be in the short term, more or less the same, so that prices would rise.

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# 22, moebius

February 6, 2008, at 10:38.

Good morning graduates.
Clopez very good from the trap of the liquidity of the nannies.

Indeed, lately I'm quite fond of the economic impact of the radio talk shows, and I love the Doctor Rodriguez Braun, is buenisimo. Lately the truth, or the carousel, or tomatoes, the most interesting of today is the eonomía.

Greetings liberals

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# 23, Daniel g

February 6, 2008, at 10:40.

Hello to everyone s.

Today is a day of hangover, yesterday the IBEX-35 crashes, European exchanges are the same thing happens on Wall Street loses a peak and the Nikkei now has one of its biggest falls and news are very soothing to investors. The growth data are worse than expected, unemployment rises (but only in Spain) and good that count if you already know everything ...

Anyway, a bad day good side, tomorrow the lord of the ECB, Jean-Claude Trichet has it easier, the euro lower against the dollar, investors today recovered a little optimism and the data are bad for inflation and the slowdown Europe is not as exaggerated, but it is very slow, and the bags need a dose of reality and see how capital and its investors lost money, then kept rates at 4% and will continue with its policy inflancionista (it is almost the same as said in his separate meeting, will say the same thing?)

I say, 4318 Euribor today and tomorrow ECB 3.75

A greeting

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# 24, sabina

February 6, 2008, at 10:44.

JavierML, so we offer them to you directly, because to call and see if I am lucky. Was about to begin completing the application over the Internet but there does not appear anywhere on 0.29, only 0.33.
Thank you very much, and call to see if I'm lucky.

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# 25, manonegra

February 6, 2008, at 10:45.

Good morning to all s!

Man Clopez, your article today does not do much to return to the forum Enculator!

Although I do not think that afternoon to appear, is going to bore much of prefabricated hut in the sale of flats that nobody wants or can afford, in some isolated place and full of ghostly skeletons of buildings, where there are no workers ...

Uy, who left a post-me ...

Good morning everyone,

(I hope that the Euribor was mantegan much time at these levels)

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# 26 aleph.pukk

February 6, 2008, at 10:46.

Hello,

To # mercu3
Well, imagine what they will do when they read the scriptures and see that they have caps on up and down as far as interests are concerned. And the reading that has the cap above 20% (I know some of my friends) hits a cry cojonudo, after the bank said that they never come to that. Jjajajajajajaj.

Indeed, for months leading up screaming that the mortgaged have to suffer, I imagine that now no longer such slogans as we realized that the "punishment" of a few will become the "calamities" of the other. The economy is very interrelated, globalization and all that.

We have a tough 2008 but 2009 will be better still.

Incidentally, in my city, the suppliers of beer are concerned about the number of pubs that are closing so far this year. In leakproof without the possibility of paying by card sales have declined fertilizers monthly transport and instead buy Marlboro buy the brands (but people still smoke). One thing, the cards must be paid and no longer worth it to "do an expansion of mortgage debt and remove."

A greeting.

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# 27, Font

February 6, 2008, at 10:55.

Do as I know it has increased unemployment?. Not by the press, not by statistics INEM etc, just from experience. 4 months ago we published a job advertisement in the press (publco is for 3 days), we just called about 5 people. Yesterday we published again another job offer that will last until the publication Friday and we have drawn 15.
This smells bad.

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# 28, moebius

February 6, 2008, at 10:55.

Clopez, there is a bug in the server
if you dawdle, you see the name of a person you've written before, I get my name daniel g, but these are very outstanding could cause considerable confusion with the topic of names, look to see what you can do

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# 29, Carlos Lopez

February 6, 2008, at 10:58.

I updated the article with this news:
Madrid and Barcelona, among the 31 most expensive cities in the world

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/economia/Madrid/Barcelona/31/urbes/caras/mundo/elpepueco/20080206elpepieco_9/Tes

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# 30, aléalé

February 6, 2008, at 10:58.

Enculator no longer get negative man!! Ha, ha, ha
Clear indicators:
low the stock market, low oil, bajadita today.

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# 31, cosmic Barrilete

February 6, 2008, at 11:00.

The march of a participant of the forum is always sad. Is that something is not working well.

The progress of an uncle who was involved in only insulting to those who have opinions different from yours and whose speeches were all destructive (at least most, I refer to the archive) is great news for whom we have no idea of economy and enjoy with exchanges of views and rational grounds to go to learn a little.

Follow the ignorant to believe that it will soon be able to join the discussions (between this and the Graduate Rodriguez Braun'm going cogiéndole the gustillo)

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# 32, pepipe

February 6, 2008, at 11:01.

By passing through a street in my town yesterday I saw a letreo in a work that had not ever seen pony (NOT NEED STAFF) that gave me to think of things like this in our country

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# 33, Seelah

February 6, 2008, at 11:04.

At this hour, the bag has already lost the first hour of arreón. Let's see if today there is no tomato ... again.

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# 34, Font

February 6, 2008, at 11:05.

To # 12, Sabina:
I, too, sounds like that of the Euribor +0.29 at ING. I talk with ING yesterday and asked if they could negorciar for the lower differential of 0.33 for example domiciliando the two nominations instead of a so and I said no, that this differential was unbreakable.
Greetings
: ninth:

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# 35, CRISTINA

February 6, 2008, at 11:06.

when it is gone enculador? Yesterday, not between me and I see that I have lost something.
someone put me up to date, porphyry.

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# 36, Granaíno

February 6, 2008, at 11:07.

aleph.pukk
Precisely because the maximum and minimum interest not attempt
renegotiate my mortgage. I took to the Euribor +0.35 with
Minimum maximum of 2.25 / 11, now give the Euribor +0.22
and the revisions will not be less than 2.75% and not more than
15%. Seeing as this thing, almost better not touch it.

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# 37, CRISTINA

February 6, 2008, at 11:08.

enculator forgiveness

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# 38, moebius

February 6, 2008, at 11:09.

clopez

I think the problem occurs only if you use mozilla firefox, with the internet explorer funiona well and not supplant personalities.

As if anybody asks firefox is an open source browser:

http://www.mozilla-europe.org/es/

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# 39, Lorena_G

February 6, 2008, at 11:12.

Hi, I have time reading this website and I would say that I can see what page the quote of the Euribor in real time.

Is that my review of the mortgage is in April but I pertoca of February, and I do not want to pull over, but it alight.

Thank you.

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# 40, Fausto

February 6, 2008, at 11:13.

ARTICLE quite interesting ...

Joint sign at this time between the major selective equities of the Old Continent. After an opening clearly bearish, some indices have been back-including ours-giving back samples of the huge volatility that the market is going through these days. The closures on negative Wall Street and Asia are still thought among investors, although many have taken advantage of sharp falls for purchase.

In our country, particularly at this time IBEX35 rises 0.22% to 12843.5 points. Of the values that fall, Iberdrola Renovables (-2.07%), Iberia (-1.72%) and Sacyr Vallehermoso (-1.41%) are the worst, whereas the values go up, REE (+ 2.76%), Iberdrola (+2.13%) and Criteria (+1.72%), they take the best part.

Today's meeting will be marked by the publication in the United States, applications for mortgages weekly, unit labor costs in the fourth quarter of 2007, non-farm productivity in the same period and the weekly crude inventories, but the highlight will be appearances by members of the EDF: Lacker, at 16:30 hours Spanish; Kroszner, at 18:30 am, and Plosser, at 19:40 am, who will speak on the prospects of the economy. On the corporate results met many Europeans, but stressed the news of improving the offer from BHP on Rio Tinto (147,400 dollars) and the confirmation that EDF has not yet taken any decision yet about his entry into the market Spanish after ACS confirmed that negotiations for the possible purchase of Iberdrola.

Why Spain falls more than the rest?

This morning's debate in early morning program "Capital" of Intereconomía Radio, which accompanied the contertulios Luis Vicente Munoz were discussing why the losses as of yesterday at bulky IBEX35. The voice most widely referred to the crisis we are living in Spain. "In our country there are more crises than in the United States, where, at least, monetary policy is stronger and more well organized. The latest data on unemployment, housing break, the fall in consumer confidence, are facts that are transferred to the market and undermine investor confidence, "they asserted.

Have stressed also that investment in R & D are lower in Spain, in addition to the levels of productivity and competitiveness are below the rest of Europe.

In addition, it is also noteworthy that another contertulia commented. "Before the crisis, the IBEX35 was always ahead of other selective. It is normal for now, in the reverse process, is the largest falls. " In this case, we wanted to play down the fact that our selective down 5.19% yesterday and the other 3%. Recall that the Ibex has lost in 2008 and 15.6%.

What types? What will the ECB tomorrow?

In addition to the above question, this is one of the most these days is being formulated. While in the case of the Federal Reserve was already discounted a 50 bp cut in interest rates at the next meeting after recent negative data and, in the case of the ECB is more uncertain. Jorge Fernandez-Longoria, a portfolio manager of Credit Suisse believes that it is likely that tomorrow will keep rates at 4%, although not ruling out having to stop bajándolos. "They will have to lower them sooner or later, and change the tone of his speeches." He believes that could end the year at 3.25%.

And meanwhile, hopefully we?

Link Securities analysts expect further falls in coming days, but we can also attend a technical rebound after the sharp correction yesterday.

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# 41, mercu3

February 6, 2008, at 11:14.

nothing good ..

http://www.bolsamania.com/analisis/analisis.php?origen=bolsamania_com.Analisis&id=20080206102515&isin=&tipo=estrategiaExpertos

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# 42, mercu3

February 6, 2008, at 11:15.

and certainly bajadita sesual

MEETING 06/02/2008 11:12

Middle type
Euribor Week 4.119
1 Month Euribor 4.178
Euribor 2 Months 4.28
3 Month Euribor 4.359
6 Month Euribor 4.348
12 Month Euribor 4.324

Eonia 05/02/2008 4.034

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# 43, Fausto

February 6, 2008, at 11:16.

Lorena_G

The Euribor last year February was 4094%, or TRANCHETES low rates a Pelin or pay more :)

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# 44, Paco (Cavallet)

February 6, 2008, at 11:16.

# 33, Seelah
The stock market is bearish trend in the medium term from Jan. 8.

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# 45, sabina

February 6, 2008, at 11:17.

To # 34, font;
I said no? unchangeable? that weird, because it sounds to me that people had come here who had even contracted, JavierMl said earlier that it was offered to him when he called. Will be a matter of calling to see if it really all operators say the same thing.

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# 46, cites

February 6, 2008, at 11:19.

Best of all, you move a question I do not like the truth and I have no idea mortgaged:
The bank requested a series of documents for the granting of credit, imagine that today, the date of signature (say within twenty days), these conditions have changed, as this affects the granting? They have to know how these new circumstances and not to grant the mortgage?
The case is an acquaintance, who has selected housing and has emerged an opportunity to work, it is possible that it affects the old and guarantors to include in the current conditions pint relatively well, with a debt ratio that is less than 40 %, Their fear is that change forced to include warranties.
Trivia: this change of work is more well-led, in real estate and this is a rumor of dismissal, which by the way this could affect whether he gets to the study (price = cost) and that before the new addition is on the dole a few days?

I hope your comments. THANKS

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# 47, Resignao

February 6, 2008, at 11:21.

uyyyyy, that I stayed close ...

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# 48, Lorena_G

February 6, 2008, at 11:22.

Fausto

You think you are going to meet Tranchette to lower rates ... What think? if low, I can benefit from the cut ...

Knife and low !!!!!!

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# 49, Fausto

6 de Febrero de 2008, a las 11:22.

A mi me paso xD.

2 semanas antes de la firma, ni se empanaron…. otra cosa es que ahora lo miran todo con lupa :S.

Que no diga nada al banco y tire millas!!!!

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# 50 , fonta

6 de Febrero de 2008, a las 11:23.

Para #45, sabina:
Igual hace unos meses sí lo ofrecian, pero ahora con las turbulencias ya no.
Tambien puede ser que al ser ya cliente digan “este que se jod@”, y los que llaman y no lo son sea una manera de captarlos.

:evil:
Saludos y sigue bajando.

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