The Club of the five.

For my generation, "The Club of the five" (The Breakfast Club) was one of the most interesting comedietas youth and commented upon in the recesses of the school.
This was a group of five students, each more peculiar and distinct, forced to spend 8 hours in the library of the institute.
In a way intended to show the typical fears of the 80 adolescents.

23 years have passed since the premiere of that film, and now the club of five, I am afraid that has another meaning entirely different and that instead of showing the typical fears of our century, the produce. This is the club that has mounted the shed and subsequent subprime mortgage crisis that affects us at this time. The film would start exactly like this:

(Voice-over)
Representatives of five of the major investment banks on Wall Street came together on a table one night in February nearly three years ago. Their conversations, while on the table had to order Chinese food (*), ended up in the perfect formula for the collapse of the housing market in the United States ...

(*) According to Cinco Dias, instead of Chinese food, the menu was sushi.

And see who manages the threads in this world, gather 5 big fish (Deutsche Bank, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, JPMorgan and Bear Stearns.) Invent a new financial instrument, it stuffs and then lead us to bankruptcy. It's that easy.

So in Five Days, we summarize the movie, with final included:

Mostly, what these guys play, is the dismissal, but yesterday he commented that citigroup we recommended buying shares despite the uncertainty in the market today comes Credi Suisse stock market panic by announcing in 2008 by the economic slowdown. And part of a premise that is true and good is that the global economy has experienced over the past four years as strong an expansion that is unparalleled in almost 40 years. So a small and controlled crisis, it could be beneficial to purge the market of certain kinds of speculators.

Ya see, everything is very clear and we only have a doubt about the gestation of this crisis. ¿Ate lunch Japan or China?

PD: Put the batteries, which the website of the Tax Agency launches the simulator Income Tax 2007

PD 2 (read reviews in zone): The ECB now offers unlimited liquidity far below the interbank rate. The monetary institution announced yesterday that it will address all requests for cash to make the bank at an interest rate of 4.21% or higher (well below the Euribor)

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# 1, jdx

December 18, 2007, at 9:41.

PFF, for more liquidity than the ECB, the Bank will continue cursed "blood" with a high Euribor. It's all greed, as you know: the more you have, the more you want.

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# 2, jdx

December 18, 2007, at 9:41.

first

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# 3, Jose Antonio

December 18, 2007, at 9:44.

If Cópez, I have been me that has put it in liquidity from the ECB .. the problem is that I no longer know if this is good or bad ..

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# 4, the robertito

December 18, 2007, at 9:49.

did not think anything

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# 5, CRISTINA

December 18, 2007, at 9:50.

I just know that I know nothing.

Bonita sentence to say if the Euribor will drop or rise.

good morning to all the early risers.

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# 6, Hg

December 18, 2007, at 9:58.

The banks have a high interest, because they are not relying, but it affects who take "more pasta" mortgaged to the citizens.

And on the other hand received from the Central Banks, in our case the ECB, dinerito baratito (dinerito that ultimately the Central Banks are ... the governments that have money for taxes on citizens) ...

And white in the bottle, this is how to make the train, the banks are around the middle ... and they like.

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# 7 Rented

December 18, 2007, at 10:02.

A good news, not to say that enculator always put things catastrophic:

Spain looks beyond per capita income Italian
http://www.expansion.com/edicion/exp/economia_y_politica/economia/es/desarrollo/1069718.html

The question is, So what's wrong are the Italians?

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# 8, Enculator

December 18, 2007, at 10:06.

Scoundrels that true? citizens paying the Euribor and the central bank giving the vultures bank at an interest lower. You can not ask a mortgage on the ECB? jajajaja

"Rent": Neither is good news ... in short, you have no solution. But better get with the Bolognese.

Today I expect a good drop in the Euribor, let's see what happens.

We have plateaued. Government of Spain.

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# 9, Johnny

December 18, 2007, at 10:07.

Good morning:
Yesterday I went to search the documents for taxation of my two houses, and as I signed the mortgage for 7 months, I have doubts about its reliability. The company is called valuer Society of Taxation, SA, and I would like to know if this company does appraisals with objective criteria or make them adapt to what the customer and the bank needed. Have told me that, for example, Tins strip to the bottom, but it does not have any reference. A greeting to all Forero.

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# 10, mgdkaya

December 18, 2007, at 10:08.

euribito today we are on the 4.9!
burn dem all!

to consolidate the average of 4.8 in December!

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# 11, kokito

December 18, 2007, at 10:17.

Good Morning, Vietnam.

Euribor up today, that there is no liquidity to fix it.

That emotion to see what happens, then I see him at noon (axis, je, je), as the Kings to see that we bring

See you later

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# 12, Font

December 18, 2007, at 10:19.

If today does not drop the Euribor, I do not understand the website of Infobolsa.
If that happens, that is, to raise the Euribor, I explain these alleged quotes in real time Infobolsa. Thank you

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# 13, lefonque

December 18, 2007, at 10:26.

Hello, good morning to everyone. My question is as follows novice. ¿So many of liquidity injections by the ECB does not run counter to control inflation? Is it to say, most papers in circulation does not cause more inflation is precisely when its control what is intended?

A greeting to all readers and writing.

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# 14, Bill

December 18, 2007, at 10:36.

This is the largest global scam in history.
Very good sir. Lopez.

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# 15, villegreen

December 18, 2007, at 10:37.

If today is not the Euribor low liquidity after the ECB's unlimited and cheap .... There is no mechanism to punish with fines trimillonarias those who conspired to alter the price of things (money) which is a scam, a crime? .... that such a boycott throughout europe to banks? ... I remember a movie in that queues and queues of people cabreados would stick and draw a dollar and blocking ... .. You can also block their websites with thousands of visits and consultations and operations minimum of transfers and transfers of money in very low numbers .... like what you see?

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# 16, Bhaal

December 18, 2007, at 10:43.

Although yesterday fails, go back to think that the Euribor today will leave the ECB's injection of pasta, which is also unlimited, that we do not like them overdoses of the Euribor down a bit, but that if inflation in the merde , And at the next meeting of the ECB subidita 1 / 4 pt for ill and that the loan today is at 4.21%, to think? I'm going to see if it simulates the income and I get a p **** in housing account for something that I have to balance retained ing ... and I need to get into the housing account!!

Greetings!

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# 17, MACGREGOR

December 18, 2007, at 10:45.

Hello everybody.

Again I return to the issue of how good they are our politicians.
Mr SOLVE is a visionary, sees euro alli tips of where it goes.
Mr cobbler in two evenings that dominates the economy.
They return to put the ratings of a lifetime to students. Is not the zp removed by bad, wrong, outdated ....
zp says that our economy plays in the champions.
Last night in the program Buenafuente (Catalan) interviewed the minister (Catalan) from industry and did not know if cataluña autonomy would be the first in the analog blackout. Simply saying that it could be ... But often tarugo if it was the mayor of ECB up to 2 days ago and his government said that Barcelona would be delayed by various problems between 1 and 2 YEARS! in the analog blackout ...
(I'm from Barcelona ...)

If he as minister of industry do not know ... what the hell do in office?
I feel real shame of all politicians of widgets, they are not socialis more than in the name of the game.
As I said some time ago here in the forum 's ex-socialist botante and I constantly disappointed.
Can someone give me a choice of buttons that though the election now, since the PP is not out of conviction boto.

Radically changing the subject, as the former has no solution .... (I just wanted a little off).

On the Web http://spanish.fxstreet.com forecasts can be seen by all central banks, according to its estimates (which are based not know) the ECB will lower rates 0.25%.

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# 18 defense

December 18, 2007, at 10:46.

Lefonque, injections of liquidity are a "therapeutic" in the short term, not a policy objective in the medium-long term, in fact, may actually be inconsistent with that policy.

Serve the following metaphor: before a serious problem of insomnia (= high inflation) the patient is advised rest and tranquility (= rise in rates).

But if the patient has to go to the hospital by car at 3 o'clock in the morning because his wife is dying (= inability of the banking system to meet its commitments to pay short-term) be advised to take a good long coffee ( = injection of liquidity) not to fall asleep at the wheel and mate. While this short-term it will hurt your insomnia (= inflationary outbreak)

Anyway Keep in mind that injections of liquidity from the ECB does not consists in creating their own sake and put money into the pockets of banks: that money must be returned with interest at maturity, such as loans to individuals, occur then a monetary contraction which in theory should offset the inflationary effect of previous injections.

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# 19, manonegra

December 18, 2007, at 10:51.

Hello to everyone s!

Esot of liquidity in the financial system there is not anyone referring. On the one hand the ECB provides money to private banks to 4%, in addition to the "injections" ... The bank charges us what we gave them the win, for now 4.8% ...

So the question is, that the bank is offering one-month deposits to 10% and 11?

Someone understands?

Greetings

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# 20, Enculator

December 18, 2007, at 10:55.

We are richer than the Italians. In addition, step by step, we approach to the posts of head in the EU. GDP per capita in Spain has grown two and a half in a single year and is 5 points above the average, reaching 22,152 euros. Forward to Italy, where GDP per capita is only 21,730 euros. The government has estimated that at the end of 2007 the average income for Spanish could almost 23,000 euros, 800 euros more than a year ago.

The second edition of the Financial Survey of Families published by the Bank of Spain partly explains the miracle Spanish. Unlike many other so-called advanced countries of the OECD, most household wealth is concentrated in Spanish properties detail about the property, and the lowest in trust products. The real estate boom of the last decade has made our country a significant step forward towards the posts of head, while other economies were suffering the ravages and vicissitudes of financial markets. Between 2002 and 2005, not least, Spanish households have "won" on average almost 80,000 euros to the dwelling in which they live. 81.3% of households had a home in property, whose median value stood at 180,300 euros in 2005 compared with 107,002 euros for three years before. And the Bank of Spain said that, in addition, 35% of households have more real estate assets (house secondary) and 10%, and solar farms.

That contrasts with the real estate wealth little attachment to financial products. The Spaniards still do not trust the products offered by banks. 96.5% of households have some kind of financial asset, but its average value does not reach 6,000 euros, and that despite a 25% increase over the past 3 years. Overall, 50% are almost the accounts and deposits. The rest is shared between different products which include pension plans (20%) and investment funds (14%) ahead of the purchase of shares (11%).

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# 21, Cerberus

December 18, 2007, at 10:56.

It looks to me that this has gone out of the hands to everyone and no one really knows how to fix it. The last idea (I assume that synchronized with the other central banks) to give unlimited liquid at a rate is very low as the plane apagafuegos, We'll see if it works, today the interbank was in red down 0.5% ...

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# 22, Miquelon;

December 18, 2007, at 10:56.

# 18 defense

I do not understand much of the economy or inflation, but if your example is realistic to me it seemed a good simile illuminating at the same time.

# 17, MACGREGOR

I think if you want your vote to be useful to have to do that unless you think is wrong with these two (PP - PSOE) as no other short-medium term (20 years min.) Can make shade in number of votes.

Greetings!

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# 23, Font

December 18, 2007, at 10:57.

Euribor at 4.79

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# 24, Font

December 18, 2007, at 11:05.

To # 17, MACGREGOR:
"Somebody give me a choice of buttons that though the election now, since the PP is not out of conviction boto."
I conviction that the only thing I want is to miss Real Madrid since I am a Barca (not give me to eat), in terms of politics we must vote (I think) in whom we believe it will do better in general terms.

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# 25, paco

December 18, 2007, at 11:10.

Enculator.

¿Got to balance what we need q? juasjuas you are brilliant ... I heard yesterday on the news of 4.

For me, personally, I think it would be fantastic q the PSOE and the PP to agree after the elections to carry out the changes together q q do ... there are many ... especially with regard to employment, not real estate investments, as we see q are the responsibility of investors.

Greetings
paco

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# 26, Anonymous

December 18, 2007, at 11:11.

MEETING 18/12/2007 11:08

Middle type
Euribor Week 4.061
1 Month Euribor 4.634
Euribor 2 Months 4.858
3 Month Euribor 4.876
6 Month Euribor 4.837
12 Month Euribor 4.827

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# 27, mrq3

December 18, 2007, at 11:12.

will not slump? : #

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# 28, TeX

December 18, 2007, at 11:13.

Average monthly provisional: 4802

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# 29, ISO

December 18, 2007, at 11:13.

The average continues to climb

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# 30, Student

December 18, 2007, at 11:13.

fall in the Euribor for the new super-injection ...
we'll see if this pace of super-shots can be maintained much longer ... now that those who are the customers who are savers and non-customers with debts up to the eyebrows, why raise the Euribor ...

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# 31, KOKOLIS

December 18, 2007, at 11:13.

It seems that today has calmed down a bit on the Euribor. Even so rising this month is aupa.

The "shots" to get off the influence Euribor. The trouble is that when you touch back borrowed money, then go up again on the Euribor?

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# 32, Without God

December 18, 2007, at 11:19.

downturn? but we are bursting!! and you'll see tomorrow ...

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# 33, Rebeca

December 18, 2007, at 11:21.

Good morning, everyone,

I still contándoos the saga of the shell of my brother-in-law who veáis pa (although what you know) how are the banks and their bankers:

It turns out that after a 4.25% negotiate with your bank telling them that boxed rural him that, and he will now call the box rural and says, 'hey, you gave me a 4.25% no? "And the other is said, yeah, and my brother-in-law is loose: "No, that is in my savings I have offered a 4.95% (this is a lie, of course)", and goes to the rural box and says: "if? Therefore Bring the dough to me ere I give you a 5% "

What do you think?, Is like buying into a Moroccan bazaar, haggling is what it is worth ...

In order ...

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# 34, ana

December 18, 2007, at 11:22.

Hi I'm new at this, I see almost 4.8 and I fall patras not supposed to be coming down? The only thing that will review the mortgage esq me next week and I am going to hurt a bit :)

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# 35, CBS

December 18, 2007, at 11:24.

Uyyyyy uyyyyy uyyyyyyy .... that every time you lower a day or two .... then returned to pick me ... that gives me on Thursday or Friday we see 4.9 ...

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# 36, rented

December 18, 2007, at 11:38.

URGENT: The ECB injected emergency funds to 5%

http://www.cotizalia.com/cache/2007/12/18/44_inyecta_fondos_penalizacion_banco_convoca_subasta.html

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# 37, Enculator

December 18, 2007, at 11:42.

The Today has been a good downhill course ... the ECB has said "Eat and drink all of it" ... and have purple banks based on 500 notes jajajaja

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# 38, CARLOS

December 18, 2007, at 11:43.

Nor will give a lot of downhill and if, DQ I would remind you that you will Euribor tb festivities on 24 and 25 that we will not have quotes, joined the weekends, there are only 7 values ... I see little chance that fall from 4.80%.

I'm sorry x review this month.

Greetings!

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# 39, Attila, King of the year

December 18, 2007, at 11:53.

Our per capita income will rise ... and this is good news thanks to the statistics: I would like 2 chickens and you none. Therefore, we have each eaten a chicken.
What I would like to know is whether the housing is recorded in income per capita, because if so, when zulitos made it to 300,000 euros starting to fall in price, we get to the level of Romania in 4 years.

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# 40, Carsola

December 18, 2007, at 11:56.

What is my lovely Spain! I am going to repeat and I repeat for those who dream that its index of wealth has been in a pallet of bricks three sandbags and a cement ... ... .. We are rich! in Spain we are all my lovely rich, but wealth is a clear no solvency, we have no solvency or to buy a day, our friends the pantheons Banking, walk behind the Euro as a greyhound behind the hare and those who have been sighted in these recent years and have collected the grain of wheat and stored for the lean years of cow, those entering the pantheons with the Oscar red carpet, the debt they can not pay for the pantheons nor fu fa, indebted and unable to do against these cannon fodder for the Bankers.
At least we are already beginning to tell us what it is worth a Euro, and I hope that the majority begin to really assimilate it, many times what I said and I repeat again today, Spain has a very weak economy we are told that although there are reservations and the pace those reserves that we begin to suffer detriment.
The message today on the five Club is the bloody reality, debt and the main thing here is indebted to Mary Chestnut giving the money to 3% in a short time drawing 7% and thus to fill the coffers, what happens is that these sages of the five at 50% would get shot by the butt and look for water in the neck, I would like to see them with water in the eyebrows ... ... ... by corrupt as the Caixa Girona in the to give mortgage loans.
In the second half of 2008 is a God we take confessed! And the pantheons Banking accounts with sound

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# 41, Ines

December 18, 2007, at 11:59.

I signed the mortgage in January 2008 and the bank have told me to be with the Euribor 2 months prior to the signing of the mortgage. Thank goodness. But then I have to look at the Euribor 1 year, 1 month or 6 months ... it depends on what I firmly with the bank?

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# 42, Enculator

December 18, 2007, at 12:01.

Agnes: That depends on whether the revision is that signatures semiannual or annual basis.

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# 43, a visionary

December 18, 2007, at 12:02.

I have a legacy of 200 million old and I'm putting pressure on banks to have a fixed term, fund or something in a year that I aconsejais how serious the maximum they could get Bancaja gives me a year do not know if it is 5.15 or Muxo little

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# 44, Ines

December 18, 2007, at 12:02.

Thanks enculator. Annual I fear, but you never know, we have to have hope with the new year and the fall in the Euribor jajaja.

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# 45, paco

December 18, 2007, at 12:03.

Ojo, Attila, do not eat the chicken brick ;-)

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# 46, Seelah

December 18, 2007, at 12:06.

# 38, CARLOS
No, exactly, the problem is who check in February ...

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# 47, Charles

December 18, 2007, at 12:07.

It is the first time that I leave my opinion, after four months be reading this page and trying to learn a little more than economics, although for me it is quite difficult. Frankly I think it should reach a point where, in theory, do not stop climbing over the Euribor, because if there will be many people who will be left with nothing ...
Anyway, although the Euribor lower or freeze (as forecast yesterday that put this link: http://www.elpais.com/articulo/economia/claves/crisis/financiera/inedita/final/incierto/elpepueco/ 20071217elpepieco_6/Tes
I think that banks will always find a way to "apretarnos" on the other hand ...
Many people spoke of the problems we are having: Euribor high raw material prices at historic high, the price of meat will rise (at least 10% after Christmas)
http://www.elmundo.es/mundodinero/2007/12/18/economia/1197949946.html
but above all I am also concerned that the wages of all is not equated with prices rising relentlessly.
My question is: what would be possible solution: a change of government, a rise in payrolls, one which I know?
As Rebeca: in order ...

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# 48, Font

December 18, 2007, at 12:08.

To # 43, a visionary:
That scare, are 1202024.21 of the contemporary, jejejejej.

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# 49, MACGREGOR

December 18, 2007, at 12:13.

# 41, Ines

Ask the bank, as you have not yet fimado the mortgage you can not read it in papelajos that will give you.

In my case I reviewed at 6 months and then annually. Each case is different, so I asked the bank and what you know.

A greeting.

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# 50, visionary

December 18, 2007, at 12:13.

font for you yesterday I was reading in the forum and wrote quite IDIA I have no idea of economics but that is why I ask you council sieres so kind, Have you think you could get to the bank

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