The crisis in mortgages spares no one.

And when I say nobody, nobody is. Yes, folks, this time he has touched Mr. Monopoly the multimillionaire who names the famous board game and a member of the usual list of the richest fictional characters of the magazine Forbes, who leaves the list "after losing all his money carried by the crisis in mortgages High risk in the U.S.. " You can read this sad news and ranking here.

Moving from fiction to reality with the bags still revolts in the subjects of all time, that if interest rates for subprime mortgages here that if there, in order tonight that he had bleeding on the Japanese stock market which left a 2.48% and walk over here to Europe and it seemed that the Fed agreed with the ECB and other central banks plan to tackle the crisis. Now you see it as stormy relations between central banks and stock exchanges.

After this scene so uncertain, the best way to tackle the growing crisis is to get strong, big and muscular and that is what we are doing seems that the most affected, banking and brick through a series of mergers and acquisitions that began recently and you may continue. That's how Cotizalia titled his article, as if the title of a film series B: Time cannibal in the brick and banking.

It's the next step in the crisis. After the greed and excess in the credit bubble, with operations almost without limit, sources of funding and liquidity poured without problems. Now come the defensive mergers. And was seen on the horizon. Brick by brick and bench eat eats bank. The cannibalization of companies in difficulties on the part of others without problems, or positions with more loose fitting, will be the tone for the coming months

Without a doubt, something has happened in those sectors that were carried so well in the past because the number of dwellings started has fallen by 40% since August, and you can see, this is the soft landing that we spoke.

It will be interesting to see how they react once the builders have been finished as the plum in business or do you renew or die since the cycles do not last forever is a clear example (changing sector) is the Polaroid, those camera snapshots that began digging his grave with the advent of digital. I am glad to know that jumps from photography to television reinventing his business after 2 years of inactivity.

Already you know, Paco, Fernando, Florentino and others, maybe instead of mourn, therefore, would have to reinvent your business, which have left over noodles for this.

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# 1, Angelico

December 13, 2007, at 9:47.

Speaking of brick. The break strength real estate investors to pull prices to sell their flats
the world, Monday, Dec. 3 07. Sales of the crisis afflicting the real estate market also plays squarely to the investors who bought homes a few years ago on plane in order to obtain succulent gains in the operations of resale. the paralysis of demand has put the rope around his neck a good part of those investors who can not find buyers for their properties before the delivery of keys and the formalization of the writing. hence they are pulling prices and lowering its earnings expectations to be able to dispose of the houses before delivery. otherwise they will have to face the payment of the mortgage burden on the property. valdeluz for example, a new urbanization in the province of Guadalajara, it is possible to purchase homes in a bedroom of the hands of an investor for 150,000 euros. if the buyer goes directly to the office of the sales price amounts to 240,000 euros, according remax. that same house is not worth over 120,000 euros two years ago

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# 2, Mediolleno

December 13, 2007, at 9:48.

Hello everyone, but the central banks of pasta

http://www.elmundo.es/mundodinero/index.html?a=18638be7e58048c8626d316e68903091&t=1197534216

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/economia/bancos/centrales/Europa/EE/UU/unen/crisis/elpepueco/20071213elpepieco_2/Tes

For what? Controlling the types Euribor free download. Clearly, the CB's want a Euribor around 4,25-4,5 (ie 0,25-0,50 above types, naturally) and do not want to lower rates (although you will, and if not at the time) to control inflation. Like it or not muncial's economy is based in the ER at all levels (what business can grow without money? Who can buy a car without money? Much needs to be saved to do it without help) Nobody wants a deadlock in the market for credits. By the way I keep my prediction of weeks ago: December Euribor slightly below that of November or very close. Euribor decline in 2008 to stand at 3.9 (rates to 3.75)
Saluditos

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# 3, Enculator

December 13, 2007, at 9:50.

The oil also increased quite yesterday by what I see ... hopefully today paste the downturn.

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# 4, MURDOK

December 13, 2007, at 9:58.

The oil is being used to bring pq we spend without control, with jobs that look a little closer to home or did travel with a little more head this consumption is much lower and lower prices, of course that the municipalities could put a little on their part and make more parking and less elevated pedestrian crossings, in big cities people spend almost more fuel to find parking or go back to work (is not my case), but if I do that for the go to work lame about 15 steps high in that slows and speeds up wasting fuel but will not cross anybody, and 10 of these steps are in 100 m of the same street (although this may appear impossible), and then will politicians and trying to reduce the co2 released, patanes brave ...

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# 5, MadRAM

December 13, 2007, at 9:58.

http://www.madridpress.com/noticia.asp?ref=67940

"The group of major real estate admits that the country's mortgage crisis that erupted in the United States in August and leaves its impact in Spain. The so-called G-14 believes that home prices will stagnate and even be reduced in real terms in 2008 and that as a result of the slower pace of construction of new flats, disappear just over 400,000 jobs in the next two years . "

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# 6, Willy

December 13, 2007, at 10:00.

And today at about 10:00 hours the Spanish ECB publishes its monthly report.
What new things will say?.
There are still inflation risks ... that ...
Tensions credit ... ...
I think more of the same

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# 7, Angelico

December 13, 2007, at 10:01.

Good morning, I do not understand as a claim that the ECB will lower rates if not for inyecctar of liquidity to the market, and I think it is a drawer that more bologna in circulation = higher inflation. On the other hand has yet to be reflected disrupted the price of oil to consumer prices, offset by the dollar-euro. As the dollar strengthened and we can begin to practice the economics of war. The truth is that the picture presents many clouds and the ruling government of the hands of the half but could hardly "taparlo." Glups and good morning.

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# 8, Murdok

December 13, 2007, at 10:07.

I think we ought to stop thinking of those stories that much affect oil consumption, the oil we affect those who have cars, the consumption is almost no note, I repeat what I said yesterday, a trailer of a valence Madrid loaded with 20 tons of oranges consumes 200 to 300 € diesel, say that with the rise of oil were € 600 and dividing by 20000kilos of oranges, how goes up every kilo of oranges? because 20000/300 = € 0015 euros a kilo more, not let you cheat by shops and supermarkets !!!!!!!!!! 111.

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# 9, oscar1

December 13, 2007, at 10:08.

for # 2, Mediolleno

mediolleno ... more than you would call full and a half to say at this stage that the Euribor is close to the end of November .. my mother! We carry a monthly average of 4775%, and November was 4607%, and the daily indicator closed yesterday at 4867% ... ... is that if

good .. I bet again today by another rise ... and we planted in 4875% ...

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# 10, 3milio

December 13, 2007, at 10:11.

Good, because I believe that today continues to climb the Euribor, looking at Infobolsa I see that the EURIBOR 3 months is going up and the other shorter-term securities also with what is not because I feel that today but also goes up a bit, not is whether the ECB has to raise or lower rates of interest you have to do is control the Euribor strip and follow his logic because this is happening smells very bad.

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# 11, EFIS

December 13, 2007, at 10:12.

Hence, if you have the nail on the head Angelico.

The floors that are falling are the price of new construction in areas of expansion (there is more to do what he is going to pocero). Many people tried to earn a few thousand euros delivering signals to the promoter and lowercase, with the aim of selling the property is much more expensive before WRITE. Now it is likely that many of these people even lose the signal. But nobody thinks that the floors in the "noble" reduce the cost, quite the contrary. I repeat, can not be mixed with merino churros.

As someone wrote yesterday in the forum, most people who bought their house to inhabit it did thoroughly, looking for many months and comparing prices. If we calculated the amount of contributions with a much higher Euribor (I refer to a 7 or 8%) nothing to fear.

The "plum" of lower housing IS FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT HAVE TO GET MORTGAGE. Make numbers. Anything that lowers the final price is paid interest on the rise in the Euribor. Make numbers.

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# 12, moebius

December 13, 2007, at 10:14.

A good track of where you're going to go on the Euribor in the coming months are the deposits that Bankinter offers on its website, as the van updated each month, more or less right now, the nominal interest at 4.72 for most of this a deposit at 2 months, if we take into account that the bank will have to win something with the deposit, is supposed to provide for a 4.9 on the Euribor.

On the other side of the curve regression polynomial of order 6, at least until now predicting that the Euribor me pretty well, and if it does not prove it, if indeed a extrapolais months ahead, you'll see a lot of pain pain.

Slaudos

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# 13, jordicat

December 13, 2007, at 10:17.

# 2, Mediolleno
(I have answered in the past, but today I repeat as I repeat)
"Of course I follow with my prediction of weeks ago: December Euribor slightly below that of November or very close."

I do not want to offend, but a 3:

-O do not know how to calculate the monthly Euribor and the like will this month
-O do not know is calculated as an average or as are the values of the average for this month
-O're extremely optimistic and believe that the runaway rise of nearly half EURIBOR this month is going to compensate with a double down runaway in the remainder of the month.

I think it's almost "mathematically" impossible for the December Euribor lowest finish since I am not saying the November, but the September 4725

I bet that the baton was made by 4.81 by December, and at the beginning I thought that I had 3 people ... but now I fear that much or things change or I'm going to bring enough

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# 14, Novato

December 13, 2007, at 10:18.

Will increase unemployment significantly ...

I was in my case, pieced together a small promoter last year ... I have a solar project to build 16-story ... and I stopped everything ... I'm going to sell the land to the projects and will soon leave ... ...

How many people out of work, if I was not built in my case? Well, a few ...

And my case is one of many ...

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# 15, Murdok

December 13, 2007, at 10:21.

I do not think you have trouble selling flats, the problem is at the head of the promoter that is costing the construction of the floor along with the solar 10 million and aims to sell 30

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# 16, Font

December 13, 2007, at 10:21.

Mr. Ordonez calls the "social partners" not incorporated into the salaries of workers of the CPI of 4.1 in November, said it was fictional that we are not in a piss at 2.
No comment

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# 17, Franky

December 13, 2007, at 10:22.

What bad luck mine, I buy the apartment and a half years ago in plane when they were more expensive but we had a Euribor acceptable, and now certain that when you sign the mortgage that will be in January at the latest on the Euribor will be higher than ever, I can only resign and tighten their belts.
one question: Do you think there will be qu Euribor fall in January or follow up?

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# 18, Murdok

December 13, 2007, at 10:22.

Why do not you tell us rookie since you would have left each floor of the building about to open the eyes of many.

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# 19, doberman1975

December 13, 2007, at 10:24.

I think that here there is a strong pulse between central banks and banking world. On the one hand the ECB wanted to control inflation and possible recession than in the global economy, and on the other hand the big banks want to continue winning pasta-based interests increasingly high and that the crisi not affect them and end up paying the usual, we and small businesses, which are the ones who are really struggling to get funding for their projects. I think it is about time that someone with political power will end up getting hand to the big banks, but I have little faith that this happens because the government also heavily dependent on the big banks.

I think this is going to be at worst, and banking a tutti pleni as always, but remember the last reports of results from banks here in Spain, with all benefits of a bitch mother.

Greetings

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# 20, Murdok

December 13, 2007, at 10:25.

Font I tb I read this morning that son of a .... sure that what we did not win and that's going ipc, is climbing by 20% directly.

Franky anyone knows, I hope that Jan starts in January down, but as futurists have less future than the witch lola.

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# 21, Aker

December 13, 2007, at 10:27.

Bongiorno everyone,

q I think we are repeating themes in the forum and today I feel bored. I propose a truncheon. I bet for a Euribor 4.88 at today's meeting. In short we left doubts.

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# 22, moebius

December 13, 2007, at 10:28.

4.887

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# 23, Murdok

December 13, 2007, at 10:29.

I bet I have in my pocket right now just in 4874

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# 24, Font

December 13, 2007, at 10:30.

To # 20, Murdok:
I have NO COMMENT, because if I censor COMMENT COMMENT

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# 25, Font

December 13, 2007, at 10:32.

At 4.905

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# 26, Resignao

December 13, 2007, at 10:32.

Jeje, Moebius, that Excel that works well.

As for the oil we going to do bite the dust if the dollar recovers, I got there a doubt: I thought that the rise of oil was due to low as the dollar and traded in dollars, the producers went for it not to lose money in the net transactions with other countries. And if that is true, theoretically, when the dollar recovered oil was down by the same rule of three.

My cousin, yes yes, not a distant known, my cousin; bought a pisito on the outskirts of Toledo in the name of his sister, having already bought another in the name of his parents and another that received official protection, and bought on plane makes Anita and a half. Now it is time to sell because he was about the time of writing, and there is no Kien it buys, nor lowering the price they "wanted to" put in 30,000 euros. It is going to have to eat with patatitas, and rent it or be rid of these pay part of the letter. Do not voi me happy to say that because I am a mortgaged, but neither do you say that I feel sorry because people like us and has hurt a lot to those who buy to live.

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# 27, Anonymous

December 13, 2007, at 10:33.

Good Morning, Vietnam.

Inflation
http://spanish.fxstreet.com/noticias/noticias-forex/articulo.aspx?StoryId=635d1e9c-d24b-48f5-9a17-417a6dbf2933

And if the Chinese are set to build flats, these prices go down?.
http://www.elperiodico.com/default.asp?idpublicacio_PK=46&idioma=CAS&idnoticia_PK=466628&idseccio_PK=1009

See you later

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# 28, john

December 13, 2007, at 10:34.

because you are not in empeñais say that more money in circulation has to rise by the CPI noses, what to see is the money that is FREE for consumption, because remember that a large amount of money that banks are there in this on loans and mortgages and this is NOT intended for consumption. In fact we must have more money in circulation because every time there are more loans and a significant portion of them are not paid or require many years to recoup the investment (talk about a mortgage average 150,000 euros, with a quota of 800 euros / month it would take months to 187.5 recover the money it has given the bank). That means there is a lack of liquidity because there are more loans from the account in the market, and this leads to the cost of money. If it is more dearer prices is not going to be that there is more money in circulation, but by speculators who are accumulating cereal, milk, and then sell it more expensive. It is necessary for the state to intervene and set limits to this (I am not at all agree with the Franco but at that time when something like this happening is that the barns would have had the state to mitigate the price rise). The government should now act accordingly and bring prices to food staples. On the subject of oil is evident that no more than if, and that at least 20 years that cars will stop working with oil (a good alternative would be electric cars powered by electricity generated at nuclear power plants, or mixed biodiesel / Electric, biodiesel would act up and charging the battery, and was stopped when entering the electric). There are alternatives, but they want to speed up the cycle of oil until the last drop. Euribor respect to what is left of the year will continue getting fat playing until the first quarter that began the descent, in February-March maximum. The banks want to maintain the Euribor at 5% for 2-3 years minimum, so do not expect that the Euribor down much more, will be to the stability provided that no outbreak of any international conflict. A more time nobody knows who is going to happen, but right now this is the picture

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# 29, kasita

December 13, 2007, at 10:37.

I enjoy reading prediciones on your comments and evolve as the Euribor, and today seen what I seen I think you have demoralized .. 4.81 or 4.9 on the excessive, it can not be .... Please send messages of hope that we are on Christmas ..
Salu2

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# 30, Daniel_78

December 13, 2007, at 10:38.

My bet 4.877

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# 31, Sebas

December 13, 2007, at 10:38.

Hello everyone;

I have a pension plan and I've never known exactly who will deduct% annually to finance Did any of you know what?

On the other hand, and the thread of a discussion that there were a few days ago that if young people had more difficulty in buying a flat that in the past, well, another day you get the theme to my father and he almost gave me a ...
My parents bought their house at 64 and were children of war, and I commented that I had no bloody idea. Faced with so much hysteria, I preferred to settle the discussion. Someone you could convince my father?

Greetings and congratulations on the forum.

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# 32, Font

December 13, 2007, at 10:39.

To # 29, kasita:
At 4.60

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# 33, Murdok

December 13, 2007, at 10:41.

Is that your father is more higher, but you can say that my parents bought theirs at 79 and with half the salary of my father (who is shit) paid to the apartment 12 years and I need the whole mine at 35 years, missing accounts, jeje.

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# 34, K50

December 13, 2007, at 10:44.

Prediction of the Euribor 4893, I hope I am wrong and the trend is not alcista.SALUDOS

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# 35, Mold-jojo

December 13, 2007, at 10:44.

I'm going to count my case related to housing to try to bring my grain of sand to the overview.

THE 90% of my customers are subcontractors of housing construction companies.

I would say the crisis is here, and that as the system has the muscle and the mind that brings them are not going to let us desangremos but we must take action, the administration theirs and I mine.

The measures we are taking and individuals and, at least what I can count, is that my clients every time I buy more control systems and process improvement and of course the problem is not the quantity if not quality .

Management actions that are to come:

- Investment in public works (roads, metro ...). Communities in some really important. In other I do not know.
- Plans to shock the lowest incomes. (Toca elections)
- Acting in the real / financial system. (They are terribly rich and can not allow resale).

Some examples of what I am experiencing (the crisis is here):

- I commented that are making the list of personnel not renewing the contract in December.
- They say they can not sell at ease because the companies of "security" before they systematically ensured reasonable limits and now is not wet or the Tato.
- Of course, many of them have told me that now I do not buy and we talked about in 2008 (?)
- One told me that if I was interested in a craft aprox.1000 m2, because that was what had been able to save a brown championship. In fact he told me that now that its assets was practically ship and, taking this lack of liquidity problem was its payroll the day after tomorrow.
- My clients are generally concerned with January-08 (OJO: liquidation of the tax year, VAT ... without the possibility of rectification, (and we know how the thing is ...)
...

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# 36, kokito

December 13, 2007, at 10:45.

Good Morning, Vietnam.
Another bank hit.
The Halifax Bank of Scotland (HBOS) announced today that it has canceled 180 million pounds (about 257 million euros) by the global credit problems, but said that is the way to obtain good results for this year.

See you later.

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# 37, sam

December 13, 2007, at 10:46.

I was wrong in predicting an increase in the rate of the ECB a week ago, but I think I'm going to bring enough with the prediction of the Euribor to 31-12, 4.80%.

Come to the club today 4.876%
Greetings

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# 38, Font

December 13, 2007, at 10:47.

To # 31, Sebas:
Obviously there were more hardships on those, there was little or tels, mobiles, computers, cars or a few. But you've asked your father how many years it took to pay it. Because now provide mortgages up to 50 years.
Then I see many future pensioners following paying mortgage. I do not think that is the case of your parents.

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# 39, Refranero

December 13, 2007, at 10:49.

Both the Cantaro goes to the source that the end is broken.
Greed breaks the bag.
The hope is the last thing you lose imagine that may be the first.
I hope smoking is D day and time H.

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# 40, kokito

December 13, 2007, at 10:49.

Good Morning, Vietnam.
Kasita to cheer, 4.27, I see it, I see it.
See you later

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# 41, Resignao

December 13, 2007, at 10:50.

Gentlemen, my bet to 4.880 today.

For Franky: If this supersubida of the Euribor we see is due to adjustments that have to do the banks at the end of the year ... because in January would have to get off a little. But you do not illusions. As I said Kokita on Tuesday, the banks are now investing in derivatives of interest rates. And since they are the ones that move the Euribor, let us not delude ourselves, will continue to rise.

I think the argument could be: a box agrees with me, the superbanco, buy money within two months, but the kind that prefixes for that transaction has a differential with regard now 0.2. To cover the backs of me that the box does not take money cheaper from what will be in two months and I will make sure that I get this Euribor within two months that 0.2. All this would continue so long as there is no good signs (such as a decline in inflation, increased confidence in the markets, a decline in the unemployment rate ..., which for now has no paint to appear, and less on dates that we are).

It's just an argument. Let's see what you think.

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# 42, Angelico

December 13, 2007, at 10:51.

Young people of 40 or more years what happens is that they have leveraged the truth is that for a living pm at the home of the folks, is a hotel for free and hopefully you get to kiss good night, the weekly pay, the premiers and the last play to not be less than your friends. But, of course with 40 anita instinct and you have to go strip bride and groom want home because it is not stupid and if there are no brown house you stay there .. Hire live today is a more reasonable option. Sometimes I think that with the pasta that has cost me the floor could live much better, calmer, more than enjoying life and with more free time ... and more free. It is an idea too late for me .. ..

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# 43, Murdok

December 13, 2007, at 10:54.

Es una idea Angelico, pero yo no me arrepiento, hace 3 años me compre el piso y con suerte espero terminar dentro de 10 años de pagarlo, y entonces no habra ni hipoteca ni alquileres durante el resto de mi vida.

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# 44 , kasita

13 de Diciembre de 2007, a las 10:56.

Así me siento mejor.. gracias, gracias..
(prefiero no participar en la porra.. que me hundoo..jeje)
Salu2

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# 45 , Bhaal

13 de Diciembre de 2007, a las 10:58.

Yo voto por un 4.88 aunque no sé porque, si todos opinamos que sube, al final bajara…como se decia por ahi…cuando veas que el limpiabotas compra las mismas acciones que tu…vende!!!

en fin, iremos viendo que pasa, lo principal que el precio de la vivienda caiga a valores razonable para que UNA persona sola pueda comprar sin vender uno de sus riñones o su virginidad en internet

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# 46 , doberman1975

13 de Diciembre de 2007, a las 10:59.

En teoria deberia bajar hoy por el acuerdo de los bancos centrales, ya que se supone que se ha realizado dicho acuerdo para aliviar tensiones entre los bancos y aportar moderación al precio al que se prestan dinero estos.
Pero como esto últimamente és de locos, yo apuesto por un euribor hoy por encima del 4,90% y para entrar en el juego de la porra, concreto un 4,907

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# 47 , Estudiante

13 de Diciembre de 2007, a las 11:01.

400.000 empleados en la construcción a la calle según las propias constructoras, alguien creía que tardarían…

Luego piden subvenciones, pero bueno, que es esto… han jodido varias generaciones de españoles inflando el precio de la vivienda, haciendo viviendas cada vez más pequeñas y más caras, a costa de beneficios escandalosos, una etapa en la que cualquier persona con dinero podía invertir en ladrillo y ganar una pasta… Pero claro, ahora que el arbolito parece que se tambalea, pues que lo sostengan los impuestos…

yo a esta gente les diría una frase que decían en south park: “Señoras, Señores, que os den por culo, si tenéis que hacer alguna reclamación, hacédsela a aquel muro”
un saludo,
Estudiante

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# 48 , Resignao

13 de Diciembre de 2007, a las 11:02.

Por cierto, estoy comprobando una cosa curiosisisima:

en mi bloque de pisos, son del año pasado, el nuestro nos costó 256.000 2 dormitorios, garaje y patio. Hoy día siguen sin venderse los más pequeños, ojo que han bajado SOLO 6000 euros. Pero en mi pueblo han construido una nueva promoción de Chalets adosados por 280.000, cuando antes no hubiesen bajado de 360.000. Me da la impresión de que lo construido no va a bajar más de 2 o 3 millones de pesetas, pero que la nueva construcción si que está bajando respecto de lo que antes era normal. La bajada es evidente, hasta en lo construido. Y puede que siga bajando.

Poniéndome en el caso de los alquilados/no emancipados, yo todavía no compraría, pero puede que el año que viene a finales sea un buen momento, siempre según cómo pinten los tipos de interés. Para entonces puede que esta tormenta que tenemos de tipos se haya relajado un poco y que se esté controlando más la inflación. Pero está clarísimo, yo ahora no compraría. No os miento si os digo que me arrepiento de haber comprado, y os aseguro que compré lo mejor en calidad-precio, estuve buscando un año. Y por si teneis curiosidad, vivo en Colmenar Viejo, Madrid.

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# 49 , ElDelMoñoRojo

13 de Diciembre de 2007, a las 11:03.

4,870 es mi previsión

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# 50 , kokito

13 de Diciembre de 2007, a las 11:03.

Good Morning, Vietnam

CLOPEZ, cuando intento escribir un mensaje me sale predeterminado otro Nick, sé que otros han escrito con mi nick accidentalmente, creo que hay algún fallo.

Resignao, podría estar bien la teoría pero ayer descubrí que en principio los derivados no deberían influir en el precio que marcan para el Euribor, cada dia aprendo más. Te lo dejo aquí.
and, to a lesser extent, the following:
http://www.euribor.org/html/content/euribor_code.html

Off-balance sheet items:
Derivatives referring to a Euribor® underlying denominated in the currencies of countries participating in EMU (OTC and exchange traded)
Foreign exchange swaps (one leg in EMU-countries’ currencies)

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