And after Black Friday comes ...

The black Monday, at least for the American stock markets fell yesterday to a peak. Why? As always. The truth is that after all this time, it should be somewhat clarified the issue or the crisis of subprime mortgages leads to the extinction of the human race and at the end of the world or has already passed the worst, but what can not to be is that one day everything is settled, the next round to the hysteria. Yesterday was also the bad news from Citigroup.

So in this environment are beginning to appear as doom Summers, former Treasury secretary, who expected a recession in the U.S. in 2008. Os hit a short summary of the article:

In his view, there are three pillars of the crisis that has clearly worsened in recent months.

First, the real estate market, which is in free fall.

Secondly, Summers referred to the financial crisis, which we have seen only a small part in his opinion. The ratio of embargoes will double next year as the most conservative estimates.

Third, doubts the ability of the financial system in this environment to provide the credit necessary to keep the investment.

To all this must be added the fall of the dollar, rising energy, geopolitical uncertainties and lower global growth to remain without a major importer International, USA.

Ya see, if this is a strong cocktail and not a mojito.

And as a skinny dog fleas are all coming and the IMF warns that oil will remain expensive "for some time." So I like, mojándose!. The truth is that to write this article I have taken some time and now the price has not been moved.

So pensareis with so many negative news and some pessimistic forecasts so where do you sell cyanide?. You know, money is like the subject, nor is created nor destroyed, just change hands (usually from those of our bankers) so that a 'hedge fund' to bet on the collapse of the mortgage market multiplied by 1000 profitability.

If we look locally, that in substance is what most concerns us, we see expansion in its article titled: First ravages of the housing boom.

Moreover, so far this year, Don Piso has closed more than 26 offices of its commercial network, has cut staff and reduced advertising investment. Tecnocasa, the industry leader, meanwhile, has closed 162 offices since last December, 15% of its network to stay with 890 establishments, just as it has done Farms Corral, which has reduced its network of 350 to 180 offices in the past year.

Although it seems interesting to me as follows:

Expofincas has preferred to focus its strategy of converting the agencies less profitable offices in financial intermediation, as announced on November 6 EXPANSIÓN. The group will transform Catalan fifty of its agencies in counseling offices and sales of financial products under the brand Sefi Credistore.

As you can see there is the option of Bust, paddling and subsequent closure, or to continue to work, find new niches and convert the agency into other profitable businesses.

Ya see, one day warm pulling a dark, but we do not lose hope because the law of the opposite sentiment is quite possible that happens the opposite of what is predicted.

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# 1, Frank

November 27, 2007, at 9:52.

As I think may be of interest to many people that are here, again paste:

The Law on General State Budget for 2008 says exactly:

"Compensation Tax deduction on acquisition
Housing usual in 2007.
One. Will be entitled to the deduction governed by this provision taxpayers who acquired their usual housing prior to January 20, 2006 using external financing and can implement in 2007 the deduction for investment in housing usual
provided in Article 68.1 of Law 35/2006, of November 28, Income Tax for Individuals and partial modification of the laws of the Tax, Income and Non-Resident in Heritage, the established its habitual residence.
Two. The amount of that deduction is the sum of deductions for state and the autonomous section of the tax credit for investment in housing regular calculated as provided in the following paragraphs.
Three. The deduction for the part of the deduction for state investment in housing will be the usual positive difference between the amount of incentive theory that the taxpayer would have received in the current rules remain to December 31, 2006 and the deduction for investment in housing usually provided in Article 68.1 of the Tax Act to proceed for 2007. The amount of incentive theory is the result of applying to the amount invested in 2007 in the acquisition of housing usual rates of deduction provided for in Article 69.1.1. º b) the text of the Law of Income Tax in individuals, approved by Royal Decree Law 3 / 2004 of March 5, at its current regulations on December 31, 2006.
Four. The deduction for the autonomous stretch of the deduction for investment in housing will be the usual positive difference between the amount of incentive theory that the taxpayer would have received in the current rules remain to December 31, 2006 and the stretch of autonomic deduction for investment in housing appropriate for 2007.
The amount of incentive theory is the result of applying to the amount invested in 2007 in the acquisition of housing usual rates of deduction under Article 79 of the text of the Law of Income Tax for Individuals for the corresponding Autonomous Community, in its current regulations on December 31, 2006. To this end, the autonomous stretch of the deduction for investment in housing may not be lower than that obtained by applying the percentage of deduction under Article 79 of the text of the Tax Act in the case of non-use of external financing in this autonomous community, in its current regulations on December 31, 2006.
Five. Means that the taxpayer has acquired its usual home using external financing when it meets the requirements of Article 55 of the Income Tax for Individuals, approved by Royal Decree 1775/2004, of July 30, according to wording valid on December 31, 2006.
Six. The amount of the deduction so calculated will be subtracted from the total liquid share, after the deduction for double taxation referred to in Article 80 of Law 35/2006. "

That is, for the year 2007 will be able to apply the same percentage of increased tax credit for investment in housing usual, but only for people who bought his house prior to January 20, 2006. For the remainder, 15% on a maximum of 9015 euros.

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# 2 Rented

November 27, 2007, at 9:53.

"Those who buy a home after 2003 and to assume losses with its sale"

http://www.eleconomista.es/vivienda/noticias/320237/01/70/1/Quienes-compraran-una-vivienda-despues-de-2003-ya-asumirian-perdidas-con-su-venta.html # comment-3526

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# 3, Frank

November 27, 2007, at 9:53.

Sorry, I forgot to include that fell outside of the theme proposed by our great leader

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# 4, JBS

November 27, 2007, at 10:01.

Someone I can not say because it lowered the Euribor to encourage consumption?

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# 5, raquel

November 27, 2007, at 10:02.

Buenos dias.
Please someone can help me and tell calculated as this: in my mortgage taken "referenicia interbank one year" in force at the time of the review, published by the Federation of European banking industry at that time, but that puts "rounded, in If necessary, upwards or downwards to the nearest multiple of one eighth of a percentage point, increased by 0.65 percentage points (which is my differential). That rate is officially published by the bank of spain in the BOE. Please someone explain how I calculated that rounding and what do you mean, if necessary?

Thank you

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# 6, Concerned

November 27, 2007, at 10:03.

Frank, so I gather from your presentation, which purchased after 20/1/2006, in addition to buy housing overvalued, they are less income tax return as the other contributors are not they?

For clopez: is there any possibility to change the color of the spread of the price of oil? when it comes out red and green when they get up (reverse to let the bag).

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# 7, Enculator

November 27, 2007, at 10:07.

... News jajajaja rented Showers

Those who bought after 2003 will have to take losses ... mmmm soon have to get off the floors then my mother ...

I truly believe "rented" which confused the right to buy or not buy know, and if you buy well and you know you can buy now and win tomorrow as yesterday. If you let go and scam is a different thing.

I see despair, that lower prices and purchasing power ...!

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# 8, JBS

November 27, 2007, at 10:07.

I read somewhere that American banks prefer to impound before the owner sells its housing and the overall band paying its debts even if not by the total amount of the loan, assuming no losses but keep the house.
It is true that?

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# 9, Bhaal

November 27, 2007, at 10:09.

Because I do not know about the existence of this hedge fund? that is not advertised on TV? Because some time that I come to be an ominous fins on ...

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# 10, Resignao

November 27, 2007, at 10:11.

Raquel # 6:

what it means is that you will always round up to fourth, half, three quarters or exact point. That is, if you leave your Euribor + = 65% gives you a 5375% (+ Euribor Sep diff) you apply a 5.5 for not being much hot head. But you advise any of these waiters who know more, because I think that rounding is illegal since at least a year ago when I signed my own.

By the way guys, thank you very much for the advice to me on the Euribor dísteis yesterday that I had to apply. I looked at the scripts of mine and I said that I will apply the Euribor published in the boe with at least ten days prior to the date of revision, namely, that if I touch the September, but anyway I will see if they pickle nuts and I leave in October. I'll do the longuis like that I have not Enterao and see whether school.

Thank you all.

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# 11, Frank

November 27, 2007, at 10:11.

to # 7, Concerned
Exactly.
You see some measure by the government to discourage the purchase of homes?
You think that declining demand will lower the price?

That is the policy that is implementing it, our government on the issue of housing to lower your price.
Discourage the purchase (by lowering deductions), and encourage the rental (via aid to rented)

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# 12, Frank

November 27, 2007, at 10:15.

There is no better thing to look at each one's your scripts to know what they have to apply, and if it is incorrect to be able to fight.

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# 13, Student

November 27, 2007, at 10:15.

I feel too terrible about returning values prices of the last quarter of 2003 ... that would fall from 40% in house prices, too much in my opinion, and I'm very optimistic and I think it will go down, but never 40 %, I think that around 10% in 3 years, that if we join the CPI, would be a real drop of about 20%, that if I put in an optimistic situation (for me that I have no floor is being optimistic) A greeting ...

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# 14, Frank

November 27, 2007, at 10:27.

Back to 2003 prices during the first half of 2008 represents a drop sharply in the price of the flats. Rounding much uploads of these last 4 years we would:

2003-2004 rise = approx. 10% (one year)
2004-2005 rise = approx. 10% (one year)
2005-2006 rise = approx. 10% (one year)
2006-2007 rise = approx. 10% (one year)
2007-2008 = babada approx. 40% (6 months)

That would mean re-pricing of 2003

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# 15, Attila, King of the year

November 27, 2007, at 10:29.

JBS, the Euribor not low because that would raise inflation. Domestic consumption is not the most important thing in the world!
And it is true that the bank would prefer to sell the house before seizing it, but ... What if the house does not sell? Then you have to seize and auction so that you are given.

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# 16 defense

November 27, 2007, at 10:31.

JBS "What is not down because the Euribor to encourage consumption?"

because it is runaway inflation and today the drop in consumption is not a factor affecting the strong economies of Europe (mainly Germany)

"I have read somewhere that American banks prefer to impound before the owner sells its housing and the overall band paying its debts even if not by the total amount of the loan, assuming no losses but keep the house.
Admittedly this "

No, not true, because nothing more than an announcement of these characteristics would have a crack at the global stock infinite potential losses for banks: Another thing is that many banks have decided to provisions for uncollectible as many of these mortgages, but that does not remove in pursuit of the mortgaged and their guarantors to their graves

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# 17 JBS

November 27, 2007, at 10:34.

Many thanks for your reply.

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# 18, jordicat

November 27, 2007, at 10:37.

# 10 resignao,

it explains # 5 raquel, which I understand is not exactly what you comment. I understand that the first round of the Euribor to the eighth point (that is, if the Euribor was 4.6 is redondearía to 4625, if redondearía was 4.52 to 4.5) and then adds the differential of 0.65, with an interest of 5.15 or 5275 respectively in my examples.

if it is legal or not, no idea. if favors or hurts, it depends if it is rounded up or down, but I gave it to me if this was normal banks, which are fixed interest, try to disguise the end of the month Euribor for those who always rounding out Upward

# 5 raquel, what of "if necessary" rounding, is that if you already departs Euribor a "round" of the eighth point, as 4625, no off ;)

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# 19, Font

November 27, 2007, at 10:46.

With respect to the lower floors, as I said yesterday that as a floor put on sale in May asking for 279,000, in those same farm and a flat very similar (same ladder) it sold for 276,000 in January, today, the floor that was put up for sale in May, it has "Don Flat" by 258,000 I was watching and they tell me that you do not rule out deals that the owners get 18,000 more.
Enculator, can be considered that this floor decrease from January this year?

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# 20, Evil

November 27, 2007, at 11:10.

Good,

because I just entered to congratulate and to read and learn, which is
the most important in these times.

Hara no more than 1 or 2 months I read this site but if I do that every day more and I'm glad that nothing jeje

A greeting to all and that is a clopez cra if sir.

pd: I am 83 and save a stratocaster have nothing in property, that if, saving jierro for a few years to see what can be done.

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# 21, Cerberus

November 27, 2007, at 11:11.

# 2 Rented

I think your contribution vague, since even faithfully reproduce the article, said it could take claramanete missed who bought after September 2003, this does not mean it is a fact, if not as real as the possibility of winning . But you explain why this happens is complicated. The market is second-hand market is a very dynamic that has always risen and fallen many times. There is no precedent for a drop of 40% never anywhere in the world, even in Japan where it has suffered the greatest crisis of the real estate world has seen ... Note that if someone wants it will not sell if the price drops to 40 % Rented the apartment, it would be better and more profitable, as well as the prices would fall by 10% over that demand would maintain the price, this can be calculated with a simple chart in which the more low the price is greater demand raising the price, so there is placing on the asymptotic limit from 10% to 20% below the current price. It rebotaria the price upward ....

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# 22, Font

November 27, 2007, at 11:21.

Bieennnnn, has fallen on the Euribor.

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# 23 defense

November 27, 2007, at 11:26.

19 Font:

is very curious as changing the maximum nuncabajistas as accelerating developments. In just one year, we have moved from price increases below the 2 digit soft landing indexed to inflation. When these proclamations fall under its own weight, there is talk of stagnation with a likely rebound "dizzying" and from then on that day a healthy adjustment affects only elements of the market overvalued. Are beginning to detect a migration to the 'dialectic of "it is true that all the floors down, but not mine because I bought not overvalued." And all this without formalizing the crisis. On the day that Min, V. interannual publish falls from 5% do not know what will happen.

And then we will see how the same Spaniards who boasts of living in a flat that could no longer pay and that the new neighbor has paid 40% more for the same floor, passed to presume that just moved in and have paid the Half of the floor in front of his neighbor, who bought 2 years ago, though with the same feeling and unhealthy "semos the smarter of the world, and that in the eskuela told me not to come to nothing" ...

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# 24, oscar

November 27, 2007, at 11:31.

I will leave this message for those who rejoice every time the Euribor 3 thousandths low and do not see what it leads won in the last few days ...

12 Month Euribor 4.626% (-0.003)

26nov data: 4.629%

data a week ago: 4.595% (+0.031)

data from a month ago: 4.562% (+0.064)

Indeed, the monthly average is still rising and is now at 4596%

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# 25, circular

November 27, 2007, at 11:33.

Hello,

does not write that day here ...

"Those who bought after 2003 will have to bear losses" ... Those who have not bought to live niguna loss, and that comrparon to invest should have known that any investment involves risks. Now if the risks become realities that are not lament.

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# 26, Student

November 27, 2007, at 11:33.

# 23 defense
You have given the exact point in the trend, the price of housing is already known that it is not as profitable as three years ago, and now would be lowered if it were not for those who give ofertones (parking spaces 4 million pesetas, cars, fitted kitchens ...) ... at the moment it is confirmed, the natural tendency is not to buy until signs of returning to profitability, it can be free fall, but I do not know if I can get to about 40% above ...
a greeting, Student

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# 27, ISO

November 27, 2007, at 11:35.

The Euribor, a step Palant and two pasitos patras ...

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# 28, raquel

November 27, 2007, at 11:35.

Many thanks to all for get the doubts

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# 29, Attila, King of the year

November 27, 2007, at 11:36.

Frak, a couple of math lessons for contradecirte in that 4 rises 10% do not amount to a drop of 40%, for two reasons:
1 - raises are cumulative, and that means that after years of cot rising 10% a year, the total increase is much more than 40%.
2 - And second, if I'm 100 and I go up to 40%, got 140. But if I am 140% down to 40, got 84, since 40% of 140 is much more that 40% of 100.

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# 30, jesus

November 27, 2007, at 11:37.

Oscar, because I am glad it has fallen in relation to yesterday and that is very important, it becomes to break the trend of increases which we enjoyed for about 10 sessions. It is not the same save 3 to spend 3, by putting a metaphor for what it implies. In the absence of 3 meetings and we know that is going to be below the month of August and with good prospects for the coming months.
I have mortgage and the fact I am very pleased today.

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# 31, Sebas

November 27, 2007, at 11:39.

Hello everyone and thanks for the responses yesterday.

With regard to those responses;

To # 135, Noys (post yesterday)

"Remember that mortgage interest is governed by the French system, so that a mortgage with an interest rate of 5.15% becomes a lower interest payment.
Your best bet is to calculate the actual interest you're paying for your mortgage and compare it with the net interest you are paying you for your deposits.
If both interests are similar (things very likely), I keep the money in the tank as prevention for future problemillas. "

What is done to get the real interest is paid by the mortgage? I'm not very well versed in the methodology French you comment the truth.

For Doberman1975;

At the site of todoexpertos commented that I was unable to enter

Greetings and thanks

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# 32, Student

November 27, 2007, at 11:42.

if the rise is 10% per annum in 4 years is 46.41% really, but good approximations are not so picky you to Attila
The formula is simple to calculate, it would be
C = (X * (I +1) ^ P)
C = capital final
X = capital on which we calculate the increase
I = Interest (if there is a percentage that divide between 100)
P = periods (years, months ... in which the interest)

a greeting

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# 33, oscar

November 27, 2007, at 11:43.

jesus, the last day under the Euribor before today it did in two thousandths and was the Nov. 23 last Friday.

Before it had also dropped 2 milli on November 20. Those are the two bajaditas Euribor in the last two weeks.

Unfortunately since Nov. 12 that marked 4556% has done nothing but rise.

That is the data, I just exposed. The trend was broken that day since then has not been two consecutive downs, and bajaditas have fallen in this 3-thousandths.

A greeting and good cheer!

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# 34, micro_kelvin

November 27, 2007, at 11:48.

Well, this is my event and I thought:

I bought in January 2005 after 2 years waiting for the floors down.

Two years later the flats where I live, are maintained, even one I've seen it cheaper ... so what?

Clearly, fuck that if you buy something and huiera would have waited a bit to make a minor economic effort, but my concern about this fall is ZERO.

I bought a flat to live in it, the lower floors of the person who cares about you bought for speculation, which in the end are the "culprits" that have gone up so much.

And I bet that in a hypothetical future that my situation will change and I want to move into a villa within 15 years, is quite complicated to have to sell my apartment is cheaper than it buys. And if so, I do not mind too much, since the economic effort to buy a villa, will be less.

It is only an opinion from someone who does not understand the macro economy.

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# 35, jesus

November 27, 2007, at 11:49.

Oscar, of course except those 10 sessions to rise 2 bajaditas insignificant, but what is indisputable is that it will stay below August.
Do not you take my comments to evil, we have some data that I rejoice and others may seem horrible.
I remember that I got tb mortgage.
Greetings.

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# 36, oscar

November 27, 2007, at 11:56.

JESUS, it is indisputable that we stay below that in August 4666 closed at%, but above the July 4564%, in the middle of the month when it seemed that even we were going to stay below quota.

I just say that people are not thrilled by these bajaditas, because the thing does not paint very well on the Euribor 3 months to 2 i is above the 4.70% and this is a bird of ill omen.

Pleased to welcome, I do not limping badly to roll!

Ah, of course, I also have fixed mortgage in my case, but my sister and several friends have the prizes are variable and I do not like either that the Euribor is racing ahead.

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# 37, jordicat

November 27, 2007, at 11:56.

is clear, oscar

if it rises to the top may reach one-tenth or more, and a day that falls down only a few thousandths of nothing, which is set to uncork bottles of champagne for this is that the tree does not leave to see the forest for is being done right in front of the tree he likes to do what no other.

I do not see good signs for next month. as we have all the paint the first value that December will be above the average for November (in the last 2 months, the value of the first session of the month was below average before) I get to my that the "trend" to the bottom is going to be in 2 months, much to my regret.

I hope it does not bounce up and now the thing is not firing the Euribor. At least we could win the next review will not rise as much as we have come. I, for the moment we are still short of my last review, which was in the Euribor August. to see if the item hang until February ... (six-monthly review)

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# 38, badboy

November 27, 2007, at 11:59.

HELLO
on the subject of today have to differentiate
for being the home or live speculate "
where we want to live that will regulate the market a bit I think it is good that our aim in the short to medium term is not selling

those who have it as a means of investment and speculation already know or should know that any investment is a risk

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# 39, rented

November 27, 2007, at 11:59.

# 21, Cerberus said:
I think your contribution inaccurate, since not even play faithfully ARTICLE

Cerverus friend, is the owner of The Economist, I did not change as it is a "copy-paste", but if you have any questions or want to make a comment I leave with you the link letters to the editor of The economista.com sure that what take into account:

http://www.eleconomista.es/cartas-al-director/index.html

Although you should also do the same with Cotizalia as it also echoes the news:

"The experts warn: sellers of flats will have to take losses if they bought after 2004"

The mail contact The Confidential is:
redaccion@elconfidencial.com

We put in touch with them and say that they are wrong.

Although he also posts put in contact with the Bank of Spain as they also say things that you do not like:

"The governor of the Bank of Spain reiterates that the floors are overvalued by between 24 and 35%"

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/economia/gobernador/Banco/Espana/reitera/pisos/estan/sobrevalorados/24/35/elpporeco/20060104elpepueco_6/Tes

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# 40, Anonymous

November 27, 2007, at 12:00.

Good morning: I am a mess with the value of things. For example, if I have two homes priced in April this year at 383,000 euros and 178,000 euros respectively (the first learned by 291,000 euros in April, and the second by 90,000 euros in 2002), and a mortgage debt of 287,000, what is the value of my heritage? A greeting to all Forero

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# 41, manonegra

27 de Noviembre de 2007, a las 12:00.

Buenos dias a tod@s!

Estoy deacuredo con lo que dices, es una verdad como una montaña, pero me gustaría matizarlo un poco.
Que pasa con aquellos, que no por especular, sinó por necesidades que surgen de manera imprevista, tienen que vender su piso?
Como les dices que lo que compraron por X ahora vale X -30%? Ademas estas personas tendran que continuar viviendo en algún sitio, y les diran que el alquiler está a X + 25% o de compra sólo hasubido un 3% en comparación con 17% del 2006? eso si con garaje incluido…
Aquí se han forrado unos cuantos (los de simpre) y paga la cuenta el último que se ha sentado en la mesa.

Salud2

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# 42 , cerberus

27 de Noviembre de 2007, a las 12:03.

#15, Atila, rey de los anos
27 de Noviembre de 2007, a las 10:29.

JBS, el Euribor no baja porque eso subiría la inflación. El consumo interno no es lo más importante del mundo!

ATila, esto no lo entiendo, la inflacion sube por la tension alcista de las energias y la alta demanda de productos de primera necesidad, la incicencia del M3 en la inflacion actual es meramente futurible, es decir puede que afecte a medio plazo, pero la inflacion de hoy poco tiene que ver con la masa monetaria. Por otra parte el euribor hoy vive lejos de los tipos del BCE ya que sufre alteraciones por la falta de liquidez disponible en el interbancario, que se ha retomado hace 10 dias, con unas subidas manifiestas en el euribor a todos los plazos, empezando por el EONIA, el BCE ya ha empezado a inyectar dinero fresco al 4,55% de tipos minimo ya 3 meses de caducidad, por eso hoy el euribor se ha relajado un pelo, probablemente veamos estas fluctuaciones hasta fin de año mientras siguen asomando cadáveres financieros. Lo que esta claro es que el BCE ni subira tipos ni los bajara, mientras la FED los bajara al menos una vez mas antes de fin de año, lo que elevara aun mas el precio del euro frente al dolar llegando a los 1,55 por lo menos.

Saludos

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# 43 , Frank

27 de Noviembre de 2007, a las 12:04.

para #29, Atila, rey de los anos
Plas plas plas plas
Bien por la calculadora.
En mi exposición creo que hablo de REDONDEANDO. Ni cada año ha subido exactamente un 10%, ni tras 4 subidas consecutivas de un 10% y una bajada para volver a los mismos términos debe bajar un 40%. Pero para hacer los cálculos exactos necesitaríamos las subidas exactas de cada año, acumularlas, y luego calcular el porcentaje de bajada para volver a los precios de partida, y comprenderás que no estoy muy por la labor. Simplemente hago unos cálculos aproximados ya correr. Pero sabes por qué?? Porque si encima me molesto en buscar las medias de las subidas anuales, calcular el porcentaje de bajada y demás, aparte de perder el tiempo para nada, saldrías tu diciendo que en Cataluña los pisos no han subido tanto como lo que pongo, o que en Badajoz no han bajado tanto

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# 44 , jesus

27 de Noviembre de 2007, a las 12:07.

Jordicat, hay un dato objetivo que es la bajada este mes por debajo de agosto, y otros datos subjetivos como puede ser lo que no sabemos todavía: cómo empezará diciembre?
No creo que el tema esté para descorchar cavas ni sidras pero a mí el dato objetivo me alegra y de los datos subjetivos ya veremos, o es ke los que tenemos hipotecas vamos a tener que vivir resignados a no tener una mínima alegría cuando algo bueno se produzca?
Saludos.

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# 45 , cerberus

27 de Noviembre de 2007, a las 12:09.

#39, Alquilado

Entonces revisa la prensa que lees que ponen una cosa en el titular para llamar la antencion y luego en letra pequeña dentro del articulo matizan con la realidad. Eso se llama prensa amarilla en UK… o sensacionalismo. Cotizalia, QUE y compañia, con titulares EL MUNDO SE ACABA y luego ponen en pequeño, el mundo se podria acabar si un asteroide choca contra la tierra… enfin. A buen entendedor pocas palabras.

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# 46 , manonegra

27 de Noviembre de 2007, a las 12:10.

en el post #41 me refería al #25, circular

Sorry!

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# 47 , oscar

27 de Noviembre de 2007, a las 12:14.

JORDICAT,

de acuerdo contigo, en que las previsiones no son buenas, pero bueno..nadie esperaba a las primas feas (subprime) y acabaron apareciendo.

A ver que pasa y suerte para febrero!

JESUS,

está bien celebrar las alegrias, y el dato objetivo es que el EURIBOR vuelve a bajar por segundo mes, pero esta bajada me da mala espina por lo que te decía antes, des del 12 de noviembre la tendencia es alcista.

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# 48 , fonta

27 de Noviembre de 2007, a las 12:17.

Para #24, oscar:
Se ve que no se ironizar bastante. Lo de “bieennnn ha bajado el euribor” es de coña, ya que como han dicho en algun mensaje desde mediados de mes esta subiendo a ritmo mas elevado que esas 3 milesimas que lo hace cada par de dias.

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# 49 , contestacion

27 de Noviembre de 2007, a las 12:18.

micro_kelvin:

completamente de acuerdo contigo. La pena es que no haya más propietarios que piensen como tú y como yo, sino que se solacen en creer en la revaluación infinita de su piso aunque ello suponga:

1) Aumentar su esfuerzo en un potencial cambio a mejor de vivienda.
2) Reducir la demanda potencial de su piso en caso de tener que venderlo, y por lo tanto, reducir la liquidez y aumentar el riesgo de su inversión…

…sospecho que (exagerando) el plan de muchos de estos propietarios es vivir como pobres diablos hasta su jubiliación, momento en que venderán el piso para vivir como reyes y dedicarse a hacer todo lo que no pudieron hacer en su juventud, (viajar, descansar, no tirarse todo el mes haciendo cuentas), eso sí cuando lo que más le piden su próstata y achaques es estar tranquilito en un mecedora…

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# 50 , Atila, rey de los anos

27 de Noviembre de 2007, a las 12:19.

Está claro que la inflación ahora tiene que ver con otras cosas que probablemente no tengan que ver con la masa monetaria. Pero si encima, bajas el valor del dinero y subes la masa monetaria, la inflación se dispararía todavía mucho más!

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