The independence of Central Banks.

In these times we wonder if revueltos many central banks are showing they should have independence. If you act in a neutral way or the other side benefit to certain groups instead of ensuring the healthy growth of the country it controls.

The people of The Economist is a similar question: Is the Fed is politically correct or telling the truth?.

The question is more than reasonable given that a central bank does not stop being a political body, however that is independent of governments. Therefore, it can not predict a recession, even admitting that there is a possibility of that happening. In fact, the Fed has ever done, but recessions have occurred regularly.

¿Ya see the dilemma whether to admit this is a recession or not? What would admit it and take appropriate action? Is psychology perhaps one of the few tools with which account?. Imagine for a moment that the Fed or the ECB confirmed the entry into recession, the liquidity crisis that now seem to have seen a joke.

If the preamble of an oil crisis is an expensive, surely this is it, because we have the barrel price to sales, $ 99. Remember that part of this rise may be due to the weakness of the dollar (the euro is now $ 1458), which we Europeans make it so. Come on, but nothing new if somewhat scary day.

As for the Spanish economy, this confirms its desaceleeración to grow 3.8% in third quarter are less than 2 tenths in the previous quarter. This can be read twice, first we see slow but on the other side does not seem big enough to worry because we are the world supercrisis century is not it?

Turning to the recurring theme of the investments of our savings (well, basically all are recurring themes played today) attended the premiere of the biggest story of the Spanish stock market: Iberdrola Renovables. The electricity market is going to take 20% of Renewable capital through a subscription of shares (capital increase), putting a total of 844,812,980 shares at a price of between 5.3 euros and 7 euros for each title . In an environment of expensive oil, might be considered a good investment. It remains to be seen to within the price range, we want the place.

Ya see, nothing new under the sun (or rain) in the hope that there really interesting news is that I hope to read the comments.

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# 1, Anonymous

November 21, 2007, at 10:08.

Hello, I wanted to ask a question to the wise: think that the IPO of Iberdrola is a good investment in the medium and long term to earn some money? What if the shares can be requested at any single bank or in which BBVA is one of the leading operation in Spain?

Thank you.

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# 2 kokito

November 21, 2007, at 10:09.

Buenos dias,
Allah let another interesting web economy.
http://www.altereconomia.org

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# 3, villegreen

November 21, 2007, at 10:11.

Value of the euro / dollar at 1.4804 is 10-08

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# 4 villegreen

November 21, 2007, at 10:19.

Very good page altereconomia kokito, thank you.

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# 5, Resignao

November 21, 2007, at 10:24.

To see clopez, explain. Just enter bolsagrafica.com a portal bag muuu interesting, I get a +0.01% in IBEX35, but estánn ¡¡¡tododas in rojoooo! how can it be if there are only three green? Is that these green offset the red half of 1.5%? Indeed, small drop of the stock market these early hours. Dollar falls ... And also I was escapao any news today?

Greetings and good day.

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# 6, clopez

November 21, 2007, at 10:26.

Resignao must be a mistake, now the stock market fell more than 1%

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# 7, Attila, King of the year

November 21, 2007, at 10:27.

Some time ago I heard about on the bubble to come: that of renewable energy.
So metéis care where your money, because a company that really RESEARCHERS AND REMOVE PRODUCTS will always be a good investment.
If what you are looking for today is simply to buy 10 and sell 20 am, no matter what is behind: careful, because the final bill paid cousin banquet.
Remember the telecoms bubble was created thousands of web portals, without providing any value to your potential customers, did not stop growing companies. Then catacrack, nerds and ate their actions with potatoes.
The same is happening now with investors brick.

I see pain, a lot of pain ...

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# 8, Willy

November 21, 2007, at 10:27.

Resignao news is the publication of the last minutes of the EDF.

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# 9, Willy

November 21, 2007, at 10:30.

resigned:
The IBEX chart in real time
You have to press F5 to refresh

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# 10, Enculator

November 21, 2007, at 10:32.

The graphics in the price of oil is new? or had not seen before? of course I forgot, good days.

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# 11, Willy

November 21, 2007, at 10:33.

Attila, King of the years
As you know google has risen since its inception?
I think it is on a 400% + or - but when it became clear bag who believed in google?

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# 12, clopez

November 21, 2007, at 10:33.

Just add oil charts, stock market and exchange rates.

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# 13, Willy

November 21, 2007, at 10:36.

clopez,
Indeed such a professsional.
plass, plass ;)

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# 14, clopez

November 21, 2007, at 10:36.

Willy, we also have to Criteria ;) that came to 5.25 and now we have 5.07.
Although of course, made to contradict myself, we have Solaria went to 9 and is now 18 ....
You may renew this fashion, who knows .... But as always, eye, and invest what you do not need.

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# 15 Resignao

November 21, 2007, at 10:38.

Ie, to 12 for Spain (8 hours east coast) we will not see any change in the bag?

Indeed, we Iberdrola renewables. When you have said that out?

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# 16, Attila, King of the year

November 21, 2007, at 10:54.

Willy: google bag went several years to exploit the telecommunications bubble. Google is a company that if we investigate, that if SACA innovative products, and that it is profitable (and much).
You see, you've chosen a bad example to take the opposite, since Google is the opposite of the cases described.

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# 17, Attila, King of the year

November 21, 2007, at 10:55.

And I forget to say when Google released a bag, all believed in him because he was already the world leader in browsers, and its revolutionary AdSense products and began to see the light.

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# 18, Willy

November 21, 2007, at 11:04.

clopez, if you want to put more stuff in the sidebar.
that embed http://www.fxcorporate.com/informer/fxcm-informer5.html
This gives real-time quotes of the major currencies.
without having to give the F5, is updated constantly solito
;)
which is not very ethical if it will take 8)

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# 19 clopez

November 21, 2007, at 11:07.

Thanks Willy, I try to find an option because that is a bit wide for the sidebar and will suck enough resources for them.

A greeting.

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# 20, condonacion_jeje

November 21, 2007, at 11:11.

q pass with the votes of the comments? saludos ...

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# 21, Pegote

November 21, 2007, at 11:15.

As with many economists in this country. Spain goes well

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# 22, stock exchange

November 21, 2007, at 11:16.

milk will be getting the IBEX, NO?

We have lost any news?

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# 23, The

November 21, 2007, at 11:18.

MEETING 21/11/2007 11:10

Medium Type
Euribor Week 4.143
1 Month Euribor 4.173
2 Months Euribor 4.654
Euribor 3 months 4.654
Euribor 6 months 4.631
12 Month Euribor 4.606

20/11/2007 4.073 Eonia

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# 24, clopez

November 21, 2007, at 11:20.

Voting on comments andalusia died migrate the server, in accordance with time (so far I have no idea what is going =

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# 25, Resignao

November 21, 2007, at 11:21.

Buffff, it smells fear, is in the environment. Another subidita of Euribor, the ibex on the floor. It is expected the minutes of the EDF. Buffff, who said to invest? jejejeje Banks smell the fear of millions of miles away. They are without money muuuuucho time someone wants to deposit a 10% interest? I tirooooo that, gentlemen, I tirooooo that, I removed from the manooooos.

jejejeje

miedoooooooo buuuuu, very scared

and much pain, I see a lot of pain (Atila sorry, but that the sentence is on the rise today).

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# 26 James

November 21, 2007, at 11:22.

What is technically no recession yet. But if one takes into account that the annual growth is 3.8% of GDP and private external debt increased by 37% Spanish annual GDP, REAL ES GIGANTEZCA recession, though not notice much indebted, and as we continue as we continue provided.
Forward everything seems worse, the projection for 2008 is 2.5% for 2009 will be less (for the trend) and that there is a minus 0.8 that does not receive aid from the EU which have to bring.
The debt grows speaking to 37% per annum (now 150% of GDP, twice as 4 years ago) sooner or later will stop lending and demand begin to return, the picture will be unimaginably black, on the street there will be no one only hard, be the same economic problems that now but there will be no money to fix them even partially, I can see a technical bankruptcy total public and private.
That debt is principalemte product défisit of the trade balance, it matters a lot more than it exported, can not be imported without an equivalent in return, so to have to continue importing debt with creditors or with the same venderores of imported products. Why not export more and import less? because the euro is high and rising and is cheaper to import than to produce in the euro area. In short, the euro is the father of all evil and European economic policy, the mother.

Yesterday I commented that the turbulence does not exist as such: it was said at the meeting of chairpersons of the G20 central bank, because the countries emerging from it learned from the press were not affected at all, is a structural crisis of U.S. U.S. and EU, and therefore sometimes less note, but it is not something that disappears only to miss a few months.

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# 27, Resignao

November 21, 2007, at 11:22.

By the way, look at the difference between the Euribor for 3 months and one year.

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# 28, Resignao

November 21, 2007, at 11:26.

At this rate I'm going to put in my yard macetones good to get my own huertecito and not have to go shopping. I say this because of the prices of exports and said that Jacobo. We put many black male, I hope it is not so much because then it is not safe nor Tato.

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# 29, Willy

November 21, 2007, at 11:27.

Resigned to bag and,
perhaps this comment from the web Jun you clarify the issue or it may be that the news:
Yen's rise towards its most important crossroads right now comfortably exceed the percentage point. That is causing equities is moving now at minimum levels of intra widely with a banking / financial played well today.

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# 30, Attila, King of the year

November 21, 2007, at 11:28.

Look what I found on the Internet curiosity. Apparently, a tar Chacon Carlos Bustos, a company called "Trade Pittsburg, was sentenced in 2000 to four years in prison for a crime of swindling. Among their victims was an elderly man of even 85 years.
Well, look what I found most beautiful BOE in 2003, where he was pardoned "on condition that did not commit a crime again within a period of four years:

http://www.boe.es/g/es/bases_datos/doc.php?coleccion=indilex&id=2003/23155&txtlen=1000
(Does this mean that after 4 years may commit crimes again?)

This is like a joke ... but that's how it is in this country to mangantes white. However, do not burn a cashier or you spend 10 years in solitary confinement.

The reality surpasses fiction.

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# 31, Ayalga

November 21, 2007, at 11:31.

To encourage a little thing today.
We recommend that you read a Miguel Angel Aguilar yesterday (Tuesday November 20) in the country, entitled "Who pays for all this?" That delves into the news Rajoy of eliminating the taxation of income less than 1600 euros.
Says that such decisions are often mirages because the government can not logically continue to give less and enter the same or more services. So that means:
Or that the services actually diminish or become privatized in order to continue giving without increasing the budget. With the subsequent loss of quality and also what it implies
Or that while decreasing the direct taxes, which are just going to rent it, actually keeps the collection of indirect, less painful to us all because we do not mind so much that we pay but are charged as unjust alike a mileurista than a millionaire.
Someone said yesterday a third option, which is that in reality there is no change because the rents of 15,000 and were exempt from making the statement in reality this does not change anything about the situation.

Interesting drop the bag. Like there is no hidden story, simply collecting benefits. I think the stock market has increasingly less to do with reality and is a pool shark where speculators can buy and sell in a day or a very short time looking for small but quick returns.

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# 32, euro / dollar

November 21, 2007, at 11:34.

A change yesterday as the euro / dollar?

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# 33, mario

November 21, 2007, at 11:36.

Criteria I do not understand. As you can salr to bag a company that does nothing?

Somebody explain it to me ...

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# 34 Cerberus

November 21, 2007, at 11:39.

Very good ...
On the subject of today's central banks, I think that independence is not measured according to whether or not recognize recessions or crisis point that the markets suffer, in my opinion is that the free market .. Free and central banks must ensure that regulations are met, and the alarm spread panic and should not be prepared to act in a crisis (not avoid them, remember that the crisis purged the system and are required). A central bank should NEVER let a crisis, because they are not for that, imagine a mayor who announced the end of the world, then it is not just that there was only a year of problems ... quedaria always in doubt, because he said there were problems Mayor looting and panic and terror caused it .. and whether the mayor had not spoken, the same would have happened ... I think that when you raise the alarm on the fly from private forums, they want something, and not just want to tell anything, but a better buy if the price situation was calm.
Generates the alarm and crisis are always interested by the few against the interest of many, is a fact.

Greetings

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# 35, Student

November 21, 2007, at 11:41.

good morning
Great graphics Clopez! Congratulations again for the evolution of the page
On the topic of the day, ¡EDF is a fudge!, But not as much as the ECB, which simply mimic the movements of the EDF
What to invest in alternative energy, which is the subject of fashion, will begin to rise ... and then as the basis of whether it is profitable or not ...
a saldudo,
student

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# 36, mario

November 21, 2007, at 11:43.

Ayalga in 96 is significantly lowered taxes and ... miracle! raised over! Why? Normally more disposable income is equal to raising more, but more VAT ITP .. more ... more more ... The income tax is just one of many taxes that exist.

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# 37, Oscar

November 21, 2007, at 11:46.

Good morning.

It seems that not only the Spanish stock market has problems but the problem is global, attached to this news that you think.

Hong Kong, November 21 (EFECOM) .- The Hong Kong stock market closed its meeting today, Wednesday, with a sharp decline of 4.15 percent, after the benchmark Hang Seng index down to 1153.02 points 26,618.19. EFECOM

Actually there is much uncertainty in the economy.

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# 38, Willy

November 21, 2007, at 11:48.

Ayalga which says the country, no wonder it is related to the PSOE.
as far as I know, about 16,000 euros as it is not counted in the country, but the idea is that everyone stop these taxes 16,000 euros.
That is, if you win only 17,000 taxed on 1000.
Moreover, no wonder Solbes not see the issue when he was minister Felipe said that pensions are just and everyone to run to a pension plan.
Moreover Aznar has already made a tax reform and the Spanish economy took off and broke the state.
Fiscal policy pp supposed to leave via IRPF joining about 25,000 million.
Do not you think that 25,000 million euros in circulation activate the economy, consumer lease?

About what you say is that the bags for collection and I do not think the yen is the reason:
TOKYO STOCK EXCHANGE lost 2.46% on a revaluation of the yen.

if you want to see something funny look at this chart:
http://www.finanzas.com/cotizacion/default.asp?id=435&v=4&vgraf=0&vg=6&idc=155&riccomparar =
You see the evolution of the euro / yen and the Dow Jones and will give you the impression that it is the same graph.

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# 39, ignorant

November 21, 2007, at 11:50.

Hello.
Days ago that you read and from my ignorance gustría ask me ... I have some money that we currently do not need, just as today comentais of renewable Iberdrrola ... this is like? 'Bag a day off and everyone runs to buy shares until the end? as if it were a concert? ... and when you know the starting price?
Like others, the eternal dilemma or bag ... I have found a deposit of 10% a month that does not seem to depend on any value ... what is it?

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# 40, Ayalga

November 21, 2007, at 11:55.

# 36, Mario.
I suppose you mean the Laffer curve.
In theory seems a good idea, collecting less but as people have more money in your pocket and actually spend more by collecting more taxes.
It is actually the second option mentioned in my mail. But I do not believe that all taxes are equal and that the VAT and income tax are just two more taxes because they are not really equal.
If you remember also commented that I do not think just because an indirect tax on an equal weight by about a poor rich. Direct tax rate IRPF hurt more because you pay directly from your pocket or are nominated, but just because most are paid according to your income.
In addition the curve that works when the economy goes well, if you start increase unemployment, which is something happening just in Spain, and is not met, for example.

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# 41, Student

November 21, 2007, at 11:56.

the progressive income tax is a tax, it is not a direct tax, then hit the first € 16,000 (currently for a single person without children are about € 10,000) earned by the whole world, for example, if I currently earn € 26,000 gross a year only taxed by 10,000, and worldwide, the problem is that (as was done in Germany) that taxes go up (to follow the same example in Germany increased VAT) otherwise could not maintain public expenditure, since the purchases are not made with credit cards often fail to declare their wealth and not enter anything that would have to join VAT
It seems to me that if a proposal so, it must be explained in a comprehensive reform, not just nice to be able to share accounts of who actually benficia ...
a greeting,
Student

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# 42, mario

November 21, 2007, at 12:01.

Ayalga,
"I do not think just because an indirect tax on an equal weight by about a poor rich"

This is true but think that the consumption tax and a rich one that consumes much more so there are poor people who think that taxes are more fair.

It is right that those who buy a Ferrari to pay a lot of taxes.

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# 43 Cerberus

November 21, 2007, at 12:01.

My tax reform aimed PP seems impossible to fulfill a promise, unless they do like the Community of Hope in Madrid, which lower direct taxes and indirect charge, which also are the most unjust. Afimar that money moving to reactivate the economy is another big mistake, españa M3 has a huge and it has not effectively served to increase our development, or R & D, and the industrial fabric, the lower taxes alone dispararia inflation , Trichet has said on several occasions, should not increase the purchasing power of the population, it goes against all, as prices shot. In my opinion it is a populist measure worthy of Zapatero when he was in oposion, which promised very disparate things like climbing to 700 € the SMI .. enfin care promises, because they can destroy the already accomplished and sensitive economy.
Someone has done a study on the misfortune of having elections in a time of economic crisis ... is the worst that can happen to a country ... I wish they were a year ago or within 2 ... We would be better for everyone.

Greetings

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# 44, J

November 21, 2007, at 12:06.

YOU WILL OFFER A 10% DEPOSIT FOR A MONTHLY

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# 45, Willy

November 21, 2007, at 12:06.

Student about to be explained clearly, Claritas is absolutely right.
The Bush administration has already made an attempt to tax cuts used to activate the economy and the only thing that got shot was the American public deficit, which is the economic world as today.

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# 46, Magdalena Martinez

November 21, 2007, at 12:07.

CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN ME?

Because some of the nicks aparencen some comments in blue?

Moderators are?

It's the same with another name Clopez

Thank you

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# 47, Willy

November 21, 2007, at 12:11.

I think Cerberus Trichet you want us to be like the Japanese.
Beating record GDP, corporate earnings and without currantes increases so there is no CPI.
Because that is what is happening today in Japan.

Martinez muffins all you have to do is register your nick
;)

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# 48, Willy

November 21, 2007, at 12:13.

The ECB yesterday injected 18,500 million euros to curb tensions in the interbank market. The Euribor three months is above 4.6% - Expansion

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# 49 clopez

November 21, 2007, at 12:16.

Magdalena, leaving blue because they have completed the URL field and are linked.

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# 50, Antoni

November 21, 2007, at 12:18.

Well, I think the curvita down the economy has begun to rise significantly today and more to Spain in the coming months. Objective data (Mr. Fidalgo of CCOO, November 6, 2007)

1. The banks have no liquidity, and have a great fear to lend money among themselves by uncertainty still remaining U.S. subprime mortgages.
2. Uncertainty in the markets in Spain before the next general election so tight and the outcome in advance.
3. Estimates of the price of oil before the onset of winter and increased global tensions and some OPEC producers (now Iran and Venezuela)
4. High inflation and an escalation of prices in euro zone likely without stopping, quite the opposite.
5. A large external deficit continues to grow Spanish.
6. An engine of the Spanish economy, such as real estate that has already galling.
7. Panic lower real growth in 2008 and therefore the spectacular emergence temidísimo unemployment.

So if this is said and I believe that is true and objective at 99.99%, one of the secretaries-general of one of the largest unions in Spain, who voted, the PP, PSOE andalusia at IU, CIU to at ERC, to ...? And why? We talked about economic issues, and therefore access to housing, Euribor, wages, pesto, funds, savings, ... .. What a mess! Can anyone help a "poor" on the outskirts of Barcelona Catalan!

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