To finance the house is, for the first time, more expensive in Spain than in Europe

While I am still struggling with the server that occasionally leaves you unable to access the web without advertising revenue and to me you do a quick summary of news today.

The first is that I was shocked that the article entitled, and today is that after many years being the most ready of Europe with our mortgage Euribor now is that we are paying the most. At least that is what we have in Invertia.

The average interest rate on mortgages in Spain reached last September 5.49% 5.36% compared to that paid by the Europeans cover loans for house purchases, according to data from the ECB. But this trend is observed since January this year when for the first time in Spain into debt for the purchase of a home is more expensive than in the eurozone. Novel situation as in January 2004 mortgages in Spain (3.53%) were nearly a point lower than in the Europe of the euro (4.47%).

As for the local accounts S & P puts on the optimism we will see a correction "painless" in Spain

In its report entitled The Spanish banking system is well equipped to cope with the slowdown of the residential market, signing credit rating was raised as most likely scenario for the next few years in Spain a correction "gradual and moderate" in the residential sector, the that the economy and the financial institutions will be able to adapt without pain. "

Without doubt, the most shocking is the title of the report, so I repeat it again :) "The Spanish banking system is well equipped to cope with the slowdown of the residential market" there is nothing.

And finally, the news bubble of the Day: More than a million new homes in Spain can not find buyer

Since the first quarter of 2007, is taking place a big mismatch between supply and demand for housing. At the moment, there are more than one and a half million homes finished or under construction to be sold, but will not sell or 300,000 homes a year, at least until 2009, "he explained yesterday Fernando Rodriguez de Acuna and Rodriguez, president of RR Acuna and Associates.

Because it will be true that there is crisis in the sector ...

Good weekend to all!

PS: And to encourage the Friday I leave with you a joke. http://blogs.elpais.com/mauroentrialgo/2007/11/viernes-diecisi.html

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# 1, exAlquilada

November 16, 2007, at 10:19.

I therefore that there are a million new homes without a buyer ... because I do not think so much. At least in my city look towards you look you see cranes alone, more and more new buildings. And they're not flats of 20 or 30 or 40 million. If you want a new floor put 60 million as a minimum.

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# 2 font

November 16, 2007, at 10:31.

For exAlquilada,
Indeed only are cranes and cranes and new buildings finished. Not that city are you, but I have lived in Palma de Mallorca, so I see cranes and cranes but I am looking to buy apartment, I am Hire of time to see them come, I see buildings completed two years ago and I see every Sunday Palm, a local newspaper announcing the construction "promotion last flats for sale" and thus two years. I have seen new buildings as it did not sell all the apartments for rent for the place no longer losing money. I do not know if there will be a million but having any.

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# 3, exAlquilada

November 16, 2007, at 10:36.

I am of Bizkaia.

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# 4, Karmen

November 16, 2007, at 10:38.

# 1, exAlquilada

Well, yes, the truth is that we live in one of the most expensive, but every time I see more signs of "sold" in the windows of new buildings, I have a few chips and sell them not as easy as before ...
Another issue is that we are finalizing the generation of baby boomers who need a place where independent, higher education, are now experiencing epoch of the thin roof racks, as did the nurseries and schools 20 years ago, this will also be felt in the demand for housing, but time to time

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# 5, vanessa

November 16, 2007, at 10:46.

While not believe working in a construction company in Las Palmas very important, before everything was sold off plan from the beginning of the year and we have not sold anything. So to say or do not come to learn. Kisses.
Clópez you think? that is not usually much mojarte.

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# 6, Carlos zgz

November 16, 2007, at 10:46.

Good morning, I did what I think of a million unsold flats, at least in Zaragoza is being built and there are still quite flats for sale in promotions when completed so far before you start to make the hole because the promotion was sold , Not now.
In another vein, I read today in the 20 minutes that are rising rental fees rather than the CPI, which I think is an indication where to go for the shots now, it seems to me that speculators are renting because lanzandoa sales every day are children, let alone those that are designed pasapiseros removed the dead of overhead.
Forero greetings and encouragement to the server clopez.

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# 7, clopez

November 16, 2007, at 10:59.

Vanessa, yes I think it's a million, just go to idealistic and see that there are 200,000 housing units in sales. As always in economics, there are cycles and now it's up to the housing downturn, which also is logical and maybe even healthy.

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# 8, Jacobo

November 16, 2007, at 11:10.

Is not sold or promotions, nor the second hand, in my neighborhood in Madrid, in front of my building and turning, there are five apartments for sale bearing all more than a year. Have changed several times cartel, alternating with real estate or poster particular. Some have lowered the price and the owners say they receive no visits.
There are two that were put up for sale recently and joined the others, and there will be.
Before all spoke on the subway floor and were all tuned in case arose some economists, in times where it went up about 20,000 a year, earning more than working and the letters seemed to rent. Now the floors are falling, it's over the business, and the lyrics are nearly twice as rent, nobody is interested.

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# 9, Aker

November 16, 2007, at 11:10.

"Last-storey promocion the sale," a phrase very correct, do not think font? They are the last apartments for sale of the builders, because what they sell is going to cost them, I doubt if they happen to begin to construct others.

The words of a batacazo Solbes announced as a piano. He says we live in an abnormal situation and drop it in a while back as the price of a few years ago. I would say that even lower because the Euribor will continue to rise.

Falling Euribor October has been nothing q play the dismissal to purchase the latest "fools" (pardon me). With inflation we have throughout europe because of oil and speculators do not see myself good settlement for the mortgage.
Before the end of the year will be whether the U.S. financial crisis really affects us, or if control of the ECB's inflation has increased importance for Europe.

For me there are two possible scenarios:

1) Euribor stalled until the end of the year. Q It would mean a slowdown of the indicator has been real.

2) Raising rates from the ECB before the end of the year. So I think that the escalation of the Euribor would not order at least in the short term. That means next year would rise to pace similar to that of recent years.

Who has luck to everyone!

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# 10, exAlquilada

November 16, 2007, at 11:21.

Karmen, a little something about what you asked the other day. I know a couple in employment situation for now, you know, salary and so little work, they have asked a lot of money and have given them the Euribor + 0'35 at IPAR Kutxa.

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# 11, hector

November 16, 2007, at 11:25.

we are not alarmed that the rise of rent as it is not the same case that the purchase of houses. A person can buy a house to live or to speculate, which makes for a fictitious demand and rising house prices. But the rent is just to live, and that you will not be paying rent sake.

It has become a rising by 2 things: the announcement of ZP to subsidize the rental and that people know that now you can not buy houses without more.

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# 12, Anonymous

November 16, 2007, at 11:25.

# 10, exAlquilada
Thanks for the information, the truth is that it is a fairly low differential ...

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# 13, czp

November 16, 2007, at 11:26.

Just writing this mail to recommend that anyone buy an apartment without having sold before his own, at least in the autonomous region of Catalonia.

If you tell a close relative. With her husband, buying a flat in Taumarunui in a good residential district, at a price of 90 million pts (that taxes are almost 100) Pay earnest about 6.5 million to the owner, agreeing with an a year's time to sell the flat where he lives.
MY family tries to sell his apartment in a neighborhood of fairly new Cornellà by 70 million. I commented that I seemed a little expensive but she argued a year ago had been sold a flat in the same ladder for that price. He began to sell the flat in November last year. They spend 6 months and only receive visits from real estate to advise him down the price. My family is gradually lowering the price to 60, but not by manages to take even these visits. October arrives and the floor unsold. In a desperate attempt to avoid losing the earnest, reaches an agreement with the landlord to get an extension of the month and a half. My family, to the desperate, lowering the floor at 50 millonres (yes, -20 on the initial price) But neither of these, some visit the apartment but not sold.
Total, which has lost the Downpayment 6.5 million old pesetas! And I believe that in substance it is better that way, because if he had managed to sell the apartment for those 50 million would have been a mortgage of heart attack.
In the end, very careful with sales that things are very very wrong but ....
Congratulations to clopez by the blog.

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# 14, nzu

November 16, 2007, at 11:28.

MEETING 16/11/2007 11:02

Middle type
Euribor Week 4.109
1 Month Euribor 4.144
Euribor 2 Months 4.573
3 Month Euribor 4.584
6 Month Euribor 4.592
12 Month Euribor 4.576

15/11/2007 Eonia 4.047

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# 15, mario

November 16, 2007, at 11:33.

Article in newsweek: "It is true that, currently, there is a demand embalmed"

Will not be stored! :-)

You are now fashionable to say that the demand is stored but ..
This is diluting, Sunan bells and the end result .. that what this is ambalsamanda! :-)

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# 16, Percussion

November 16, 2007, at 11:37.

The truth, I am beginning to be tired of all this news (not underestimate the content and purpose of this blog):

That if there are apartments for sale "pa boring," that if there is crisis in the sector, that if such and such ...

THE REALITY: you can not buy a decent flat in a capital city impossible, very expensive.

Crisis in the sector? I laugh from the crisis in the sector. Imaginaos that I dedicate to manufacture and sell lollipop two drives, gaining a good margin. As I removed from the hands, step by ten hard sell. People are tired of lollipop and suddenly no longer sell nearly lollipop. So, instead of returning to put the lollipop to two hard and keep my room more than reasonable, I am the victim and say that I am in absolute crisis, totally untenable. But I keep my lollipop to ten drives, which Erre Erre. ?.

And the offense still has more second-hand market. Your Lollipop you bought ten years ago by a penny and that begins to have the sweet sticky ... too hard to ten, it does not matter, everything is sold, will be sold. No, no, ten hard at least as míiiiinimo, which is my Lollipop mu centric, everything outside, the fifth without a lift (but with potential), a reformita of 5 kilos and pa come to live.

I live in Valencia (rented, of course) and in the mornings when I go to work I go looking at the posters of "sold". There are some who are there for more than two years. Erre that Erre. I know them all by heart. New posters appear from time to time, but they were not disappear ... one. Erre that Erre. You go to idealistic and the prices of second-hand, point up point down ... still the same. Of the 50 million pounds you do not, majete.

What a pity that those who get the shots, that we are potential buyers, have been as sheep in recent years. We have gotten to the bottom and we have reached an irreversible situation.

Who earns the most powerful (economically). Me, me retire.

Slapper.

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# 17, Anonymous

November 16, 2007, at 11:37.

Former rented, I'm from London

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# 18, Aker

November 16, 2007, at 11:39.

For Carlos zgz,

pasapiseros and speculators to rent. What enjoyed! Imagine that liaría. More flats for rent and fewer sales. Many apartments for rent that would do precisely the prices of rent down pq then there would be competition (much like supply and demand)

Furthermore this would q people had to sell cheaper pq buying demand would fall (and fall is falling even further).

The truth is that this is a good thing to save. Sale of flats in recession, the Euribor upward, speculators wanting to sell pq q know the bubble is over.

Without a doubt, buy time to save some 5 anita when prices are where they were and will be again. But at the same time.

Save a lot and buy a flat in hand with that little help from a relative in about Anita. Q If you live like me rent, apartment share, make life of the mortgage, it will be only a fleeting. And above all, or you happen BUY

greetings

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# 19, hector

November 16, 2007, at 11:44.

I know of cases of people who have an apartment and want to make a mortgage bridge those you sell off a mortgage when you leave your apartment and buy another apartment meantime.

The condition is that you have 1 year to sell the house, so a year from the sale must have your old home sold.

Well, a year has gone by. The credits have been tightened ... the floors are no longer sold ... and among some other things happen and unfortunately that would require the customer to pay the 2 shares of the 2 houses. With what he collects the mine and can not pay 1200 Euros per month.

He then decided to stop paying dues because the 2 to be with the same bank, and the debt is shared by the 2 houses if he fails to pay 1 will remove the 2.

Finally the bank has 2 houses for a good price. It has also gained 1 year and shares its good opening committee and the customer is left with nothing and above is on record as seized by a bad decision pushed by the previous boom in the sector and halt the sudden you have had.

And the worst thing is that this sudden halt what had caused the banks themselves, since they are the ones that have tightened the conditions. Especially to foreigners.

Therefore, I thought:

Why banks begin to lend to left and right and to grant mortgages to people with 3 months of life and all of a sudden cut of dry?

And we do not talk that prices have risen and other demanding work life ... Now minimum of 2 years and in some places, 3 for customers while asking 70,000 euros.

I think we have gone from thread

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# 20, Resignao

November 16, 2007, at 11:51.

Eye to the article in the world in the economic section:

"The ECB shows a 'concern' for inflation, which rose five tenths in October"

First pearl: "Therefore, the ECB's Governing Council provides that inflation will remain at levels" significantly higher "2%, the objective is brand-entity in the coming months and will moderate" in the course 2008. " The increase in the inflation rate above this threshold can be the argument that carries the central bank to again raise interest rates to control prices. "

Here we put fear into the body and then put this:
"" A climate of continuing uncertainty ", which requires a thorough review of additional information before drawing conclusions more accurate for monetary policy. Accordingly, the Governing Council of the institution will conduct a "monitor very closely" all developments and will continue to provide "much attention" to developments in the financial market volatility in coming months. "

That is, that has no idea what they're doing. Will depend on consumer data, unemployment and CPI for January. At the time.

The floors? Not sold or the three.

To # 13 czp, by how much your family bought the apartment she wanted to sell? If it sells for 45 million would draw money? Almost certain that if, for that. And what of the mortgage would be 38 million pesetas, which is the one that almost everyone has, for half that much say the government, and we are all eating, and move forward.

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# 21, inazzio

November 16, 2007, at 12:03.

Hello everyone:

The thing seems complicated, it is true, but in esto.Puede think that we are closer than ever to model residential Europe, in fact I have lots of friends originally from England and France cities (not capital) to the center, where I repeated a and Edi time to buy real estate is capitalistas.El thing for investors and market sale of real estate moves between investors who made his wealth, time ago, indeed the parents of my friends have always been living equity, lower than here , Who is also verdad.Asi I fear that although there is a slight correction in prices, the avispao possessing property for rent (not live) will have to have an income that is larger or small, for life. In fact, seen as seen, tenants are not going to miss, I say experiencia.Un greetings to all.

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# 22, webber74

November 16, 2007, at 12:10.

Good morning,
for work reasons I moved to live in the U.S., to Detroit, and I started to look at houses there, I say no ambundan the house because "pisitos" the other side of the Atlantic.
Detroit is a special case, once lived in the city by the incredible surge of activity in the automobile sector, from a few years ago have been destroyed jobs and many people have gone to another place. That coupled with the housing crisis that "whips" to the whole country houses to be found (are abandoned and in poor condition) for less than $ 100,000 that change is about 69,000 eurines.
Will happen in Spain if they continue offshoring companies, low consumption, are left to build houses .... And rises above CPI and Euribor ... .... I hope we will be here an island economy, and that we are good, I am not one of those who want evil, but we must be prepared, the U.S. has moved here because they do not?
a greeting

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# 23, exAlquilada

November 16, 2007, at 12:17.

Agree that the situation is complicated, the floors are not sold, are falling ...
My parents for about 20 or 22 years they changed their city and decided not to sell the apartment they left empty. After an attempted robbery decided to get rid of him to avoid problems and sold it. That apartment was sold at 4,000,000 pesetas. My mother said that the same price at which sold 3 years before, so we were several years of falling prices, or retaining the floors. Now these flats sell for 35 million (floors are 40 meters in a neighborhood near the Mount). Now if someone wants to sell the flat lower it from 35 to 30 said that the thing is wrong, qu e floors down, which has lost 5 million ... and bla bla bla. But Jolin, is that have risen 30 million in 20 years! they want? green by 60?
In what I am is that that crisis passed and the floors were fired (as we nowadays). I guess this cycle are now back to being in "crisis" as some call it but this will be recovered and re-shoot.
Ever lived here more people who need a home. And if now is finishing the baby boom of the 80 ... bear in mind that the immigrants now are having many children.

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# 24, Solvent

November 16, 2007, at 12:22.

Webber surprised because you do not have that right now that imitate the U.S., because if increasingly offered little wood as you go shopping, which after Bienen rooftops and sweeps a city ...

and with respect to pisitos, that great idea "studies" as they call the real estate, pisitos from 33 m2 to 20 million, they teach you when you go to the kitchen, bathroom, living area, and .... elll eye and ...? where is the bedroom? , That unless one does not? .

The real estate ... you answered "no flats these studies are made for doctors, teachers, ... Buy me one and stick with what I have rented to a surgeon and I are paying the mortgage"

That is why we expect the real estate are making calls to those selling second-hand to announce that they removed 2 or 3 million that the thing that "mu evil" and I say this from experience ...

Greetings CLópez, yesterday I left the server without your feedback ... again ...

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# 25, Attila, King of the year

November 16, 2007, at 12:26.

Slapper, the message is more intelligent than I've seen around here in a long time.
A few months ago, one of those economic analistos already warned us what the misnamed "desaleceración" will become a fully fledged crisis due to the stubbornness of sellers not to depress prices. This "embalsará" more and more demand, until the dam breaks ;) If it contains the offer, which could drop when prices go up again immediately.
The reality is that it is stored so the demand (buyers who wait, or simply can not access) and supply (built more and more flats, shall be downgraded more and more land ...). If not I sell my lollipop I keep doing over and over and over, will come a time when it has consumed my entire wealth on creating lollipop that nobody buys. I will have a lot of "alleged wealth" in lollipop, but I can not eat or at the supermarket because they do not accept that pay for a lollipop.

I see pain, a lot of pain ...

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# 26, paola

November 16, 2007, at 12:32.

Hello everybody,

I do not understand much of the economy, and so I would launch the next course, to see if any of you I can clarify:

sure you all know the problem that is causing the rail strike in France and Germany in above (because they have stopped the freight), which is generating many economic losses. As these influences to the European economy?.

thanks to everyone,

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# 27, Sebas

November 16, 2007, at 12:37.

The other day, this is commenting on the different types of possible leakage at the moment and comment on the BBK.

The other day I try to make a novation of my hipotecca in BBK to lower the differential of 0.5 that I have and I replied that the BBK does not negotiate differentials below 0.5 Is that really me or are getting bent?

Congratulations on the blog

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# 28, Karmen

November 16, 2007, at 12:40.

Escierto, that people who make up the immigrant demanad of the floors, the children of those not, that are even smaller ...
Babi commented before about the boom that what I feel about my sister very much, we took almost 7 years, she is younger than me and has nothing to do with the situation that I lived to which she is living in my era simepre there have been many more people my age, and it shows in everything, for the study, labor demand ... The housing also has noted that although they are also demanding the imnigrantes floors ....

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# 29, exAlquilada

November 16, 2007, at 12:40.

The BBK, as far as I know from my experience, offers up to 0'45 always have the nomination, cards, insurance and household baskepensiones. Or so it was until a few months ago.

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# 30, Andalusia

November 16, 2007, at 12:41.

To # 26, paola

I understand that much of economics you would say that the crisis in Germany on the issue of railway strike will affect arrivals at the crossroads of sausages so our German friends residents will not have choice but to taste the Campofrío.
And with regard to France, "croisantes" or as you enter them, failed to cafeterias therefore to consume muffins Antequera, which is the homeland ... and to do good.

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# 31, Jacobo

November 16, 2007, at 12:44.

Paola, the economy is especially the law of supply and demand, if the goods are stagnating in the transport, fate scarcity in these products and push inflation upward. In addition to lost production of perishable goods.

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# 32, Resignao

November 16, 2007, at 12:49.

# 27 Sebas, I was one of those asked in the BBK to open my mortgage with them and they gave me 0.45% a year ago. Of course, with all possible links, but it achieved. For other reasons not picked up at the end. You might not want them now spreads lower, but it is strange to the crisis in which there is demand for credits.

It is true that you (like me) and I are caught by cataplines. Or it may be that depends on where you live and where to ask. In Madrid gave many facilities because they were "open market".

One possible solution is to warn you that you're looking at others to see if it makes caquita and they see how many millions of others lose interest, although it is well placed to take them soon as you release the órdago not make caquita and maintain your bluff.

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# 33, Andalusia

November 16, 2007, at 12:52.

Paola tell me which of the two explanations you understand better?

Come a greeting ...

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# 34, Juan Carlos.

November 16, 2007, at 12:57.

Not.

I believe that those who desperately need to get rid of a floor, drop the price, yes, but I think that these are not the majority.

Those who bought to live, not in a hurry, and expect to sell paa buy a bigger house or more new, or better, as we now know they can not sell, wait to show that the offer was again active, then sell and buy, and not they really matter much that has happened to the prices, because if you go up by 10% from now, yours and the buying was revalued by 10%, which will have to get a mortgage, (because 10% of something twice is worth twice as much as 10% of what cheap) plus the price difference between the two houses as of today, but with it already. If the scenario is bearish, price simply get the same goal with a smaller mortgage. These prices do not fall.

Speculators who may hold, hold on and wait, renting or still. The floors are generally the people who have more resources, and unless some pasapiseros, it is normal to endure.

The floors are not sold not for lack of demand but because people can not afford. As with the aircraft. If tomorrow you say that you purchase euros by 1000 the right to use a private Boeing at the nearest airport, with a pilot and including gasoline, is organized in five minutes a queue to buy the boeings impressive.

The moderate rise in the Euribor, and maybe some excess timely housing have only feed the really big problem, today it takes two good salaries and thirty years to pay a mortgage in many places. The salaries of the people have not risen as much as the houses and then to situations of the past, that is, only the rich can buy houses.

Pero lo cierto y verdad, es que en el mismo momento en que suban los sueldos, la gente que quiere comprar, que en España son el 99% de los ciudadanos y los que no deciden sus mujeres por ellos, en cuanto los sueldos suban un poco, y con el telon de fondo de que los pisos no han subido o incluso han bajado, se pondran al tema de comprar de inmediato.

Yo creo que esto lo saben todos los que quieren vender un piso y por eso no los bajan de precio. Gente dispuesta a pagar por las piruletas lo que pide el vendedor y el doble hay muchisima, lo que pasa es que no tienen dinero para hacerlo, pero en cuanto lo tengan, a por ellos.

De manera que yo pienso que la estabilizacion o bajada de los precios que se ha producido y previsiblemente continuara, es algo transitorio y no podra ser muy acentuada. Hay listillos que saben moverse y conseguiran alguna que otra ganga. Pero la mayor parte de la gente somos normales, no listillos, y si queremos comprar pasaremos mas o menos por el aro, en cuanto tengamos dinero para comprar.

No debemos olvidar ademas, que por aqui vienen muchos guiris comprando casas. Sus sueldos europeos siguen encontrando nuestras casas bastante baratas, y el clima de muchos lugares de España, o el paisaje, es algo que no tienen alli y que vale dinero.

Si tenemos que los guiris quieren casas, los españoles que no las tienen y sobre todo las mujeres quieren casas, y los inmigrantes siempre intentan identificarse con el tejido local y hacer lo mismo que los autoctonos, en este caso comprar casas, tenemos una oferta en potencia bastante fuerte.

Por otra parte no podemos descartar del todo un escenario inflaccionista moderado, (sabemos que la inflaccion real ronda el 10%) que de lugar a que los sueldos españoles se queden mas hundidos de lo que aun estan. Esto en buena logica deberia dar lugar a una presion social para elevar los sueldos ya que todo el que tenga un duro ahorrado (y no sea un gran experto), quiera protegerse de ese 10% de inflaccion real y piense en ladrillos. Una subida de sueldos, daria lugar ademas a que las cuotas de las hipotecas vivas se paguen con mucho menos esfuerzo y quiza a unsobrante de disponible que haga pensar a muchos en ladrillos mas bonitos y mas grandes, o en segundos ladrillos. Son factores que pueden apuntalar aun mas el crecimiento de la demanda de casas en fechas proximas.

Por eso creo que los vendedores no bajan previos y que los que esperan chollos tendran que conformarse con semi gangas y poco mas.

Pienso incluso, que el español es por naturaleza orgullos. Bajar un 30% el precio de una casa, respecto de lo que alguien cree que vale, significa admitir que se ha equivocado de negocio, que las casas nunca bajan, que el que le vendio se largo con su dinero y el se quedo ahora con cara de tonto con los ladrillos en las manos. Demasie. Con que cara va a mirar ahora a su mujer, o ella a su marido, a su madre, a su vecina.

España es diferente de Europa en cosas muy profundas y el ansia de tener casas es una de ellas. Los vendedores lo saben ya la que puedan aguantaran y aun sacaran beneficio.

Sino al tiempo.

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# 35 , Anónimo

16 de Noviembre de 2007, a las 13:00.

Sebas
No pasa nada con presionar a tu entidad con que estás mirando en otros bancos(aunque no sea del todo cierto), al final tu tienes la última palabra respecto a la subrogación…

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# 36 , ORACULO

16 de Noviembre de 2007, a las 13:02.

Hace unos dias un usuario de por aquí sin quererlo daba en el kit de la cuestion…

Hacia la referencia la tipica frase que se ha oido estos años atras… METETE AHORA QUE LUEGO NO PODRÁS…
Pues esa manida frase puede convertirse en real si no lo es ya…

Queremos capitalismo pues toma dos tazas… Que es eso que el currito sea el dueño del piso, como en todos sitios fuera de España a alquilar señores!!!! eso pensaran en sus sillones mientras fuman puros los que manejan las cuerdas…

Se acabó que el currito sea el dueño de su casa… empieza la era de la concienciación al alquiler…. en los 90 fue la palabra Solidaridad para justificar muchas cosas y ahora es ALQUILER.

Yo desde mi MegaHipoteca les espero a los 65…

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# 37 , Alquilado

16 de Noviembre de 2007, a las 13:06.

Exalquilada:
Pues yo si que me lo creo, no se donde vivireis algunos, pero carteles de “Se vende” hay un montón y conocidos que intentan vender un pisos…la tira.

Lo mejor de la noticia es:

“existen más de un millón y medio de viviendas acabadas o en construcción para ser vendidas, pero no se van a vender ni 300.000 viviendas anuales, al menos hasta 2009”,”

Hay un stock de vivienda para 5 años!!! No hay escasez de vivienda y cuando no hay escasez, antes o después bajan los precios. Y esta tendencia no va a cambiar ni a corto ni a medio plazo porque los bancos no dan más dinero.

Volverán a subir los precios, desde luego pero la cuestión es cuando? dentro de 5 años, de 10? en Japón llevan 15 años bajando los precios, 15años!!! Japón un país con la mitad de extensión y el triple de población.

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# 38 , Solvente

16 de Noviembre de 2007, a las 13:17.

Pues eso de que no van a bajar????

Cuanto desgraciado hay por hay que viendo el margen de beneficio que estaban dando los pisos se metió hace 3 años a comprar sobre plano pensando que iba a ganar 20 millones fácilmente…No hijo no…

Ahora se acerca el momento de escriturar y le ven las orejas al lobo, la mayoría son currantes que tienen suficientes gastos como para pensar que ahora se echan a las espaldas una hipoteca adicional de 800 euros….

Corran corran a vender los que creian como mi SUEGRA, que me dijo cuando vendí hace 4 meses “estas loco, lo has vendido 2 millones más barato que cualquiera” (aún ganadole 15 kilos para mi jubilación, que no creo en planes de pensiones), pues ahora que se aprieten el cinturón…

LA ECONOMIA NI SE CREA NI SE DESTRUYE, SOLO SE TRANSFORMA

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# 39 , Anónimo

16 de Noviembre de 2007, a las 13:21.

De todos modos, hay que diferenciar, vievienda nueva, seminueva (de más de 70m, tres habitaciones….) y vievienda vieja, peuqeña….
En mi opinión y por lo que he podido ver esta 2ª se vende con mayor facilidad y muchas veces manteniendo el precio, como ejemplo tengo unos amigos que han rebajado un kilo (lo teníen previsto) y lo han vendido en un mes, para mí lo que pedían era mucho teniendo en ciunta el piso que era, ninguna maravilla, pero hoy en día son los pisos que mejor se venden, por que son los más asequibles

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# 40 , MACGREGOR

16 de Noviembre de 2007, a las 13:22.

Hola a todos.

El tema de la vivienda solo preocupa tantísimo en nuestro país, donde ahora empezará por pura necesidad) a existir una mentalidad de alquiler parecida a la europea.
Ahora hay quien dice que empieza a darse una cultura del alquiler…. JA!
Aquí en España hables con quien hables resulta que lo sabe todo. Aquí el más tonto hace relojes!

De manera que todos aquellos que no puedan permitirse comprar se auto convencerán de que alquilar es mejor.

Yo estoy de acuerdo con esta última afirmación siempre y cuando se cumplan algunos requisitos. (Supongamos que podemos comprar un piso o alquilar otro igual en la misma finca).

1- La parte proporcional del recibo de la hipoteca que corresponde a los intereses sea superior al alquiler del piso.
2- Durante todo el periodo (de alquiler o compra) esta situación se ha de cumplir.
3- Los ingresos de la persona que alquila le deben permitir vivir y ahorrar una cantidad igual a la parte proporcional a la cuota de amortización en caso de compra.

Recordemos que cada mes se paga menor proporción de intereses y mayor de capital amortizado en el caso de la hipoteca. ( cada vez será más difícil cumplir la primera condición).

Recordemos también que el euribor puede subir, pero también puede bajar. Pero que los alquileres tendrán siempre subidas anuales por valor del IPC.

Comentar el punto 3. El que compra en realidad hace 2 cosas, consigue un lugar donde vivir y realiza una inversión ( tiene la vivienda en propiedad).
El que alquila consigue un lugar donde vivir pero debería poder ahorrar e invertir el dinero en la misma proporción a la cuota amortizada de capital del que compra.

Si estas concisiones no se dan será mejor comprar que alquilar.

Sé que se puede matizar y discutir mucho dado la situación actual, debido a que (aunque no hay datos oficiales) todo indica que la vivienda se está devaluando.
Sin embargo la inversión en vivienda es como mínimo a 30 años y dudo mucho que la vivienda en un plazo de tiempo tan largo pierda valor.

Por otro lado si alquilamos, nadie nos asegura que las inversiones que realicemos con lo ahorrado mensualmente nos resulten rentables.

Lo único que indiscutiblemente es infinitamente peor a la hora de comprar es el riesgo de la operación. Si por cualquier razón no puedes pagar alquilando pierdes una cantidad insignificante frente a lo amortizado en caso de compra.

Finalmente quería puntualizar que el ejemplo de lo que valen las viviendas en EEUU no es aplicable aquí. Lamentablemente nos acercamos más a la situación de Japón con hipotecas a 100 años de padres a hijos que e los yankis. (solo tienen que mirar los links de publicidad de esta web anunciando hipotecas a más de 50 años).

Ni la situación ni el tipo de vivienda de EEUU es comparable a la que vivimos en España. Entre otras cosas allí no tienen ningún problema de suelo.

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# 41 , Carsola

16 de Noviembre de 2007, a las 13:25.

¡Qué bonita es mi España! que en el tema de hoy sobre la sobreofertas de pisos es lo mismo que con el servidor de aquí, anda súper-jodido, joder dos días para entrar, y clopez sin ingresar por la publicidad “es coña”…….. hay quien se compra un piso en una finca con 23 viviendas y entra a vivir antes de que se termine la misma, voy a hablar del caso de un amigo que me invitó a ver su flamante vivienda en un bloque de 5 alturas, cuatro viviendas por planta y 3 áticos dúplex, pues bien me llevo a ver su ático dúplex y resulta que tuvimos que subir por las escaleras, cuando llegue medio asfixiado en estos días de verano invernal, me moría de calor en el ático pues su orientación Sur-Oeste el Sol entraba hasta por las rendijas de las puertas, me comentó tranqui Carsola que en menos de un mes tengo refrigeración en toda la casa, y ¿el ascensor, porque no va? ¡si la finca ya está terminada y todos los pisos con las persianas bajadas!, explicación, somos solamente dos vecinos por el momento, y el ascensor nos han dicho que lo van a poner legal y en funcionamiento una vez venga un 20% a habitar en la finca, porque el resto de pisos se han comprado para especular con ellos, mi amigo todo contento enseñándome las maravillas para él, de su compra, y yo por dentro cagándome en la leche, viendo distribuciones que se hacen después de comer y con tres Cubatas o más en el cuerpo, remates y terminaciones de puñetera pena, ventanas y puertas con rendijas donde escapa frigorías y calorías y un sinfín de despropósitos, y al final cuando le pregunté cuanto valía el nidito, su respuesta fue tajante, una ganga solo 270.455€, ¡amigos! casi me da un infarto y preferí callar ante la locura de mi amigo, me invitó a cenar otro día a lo que accedí una vez tuviera el ascensor en funcionamiento y el cómo primerizo fuese el presidente de tan bella finca, esto hace un mes aproximadamente y aún no me ha llamado y por lo que se parece que mi amigo está con la depre últimamente. ¡No es para menos!, Señores, en este país en mi bonita España o nos hemos vuelto todos majaretas o el ver pisos vacios y sin terminar o vacios terminados es una buena señal de que estamos entrando en el raciocinio lógico de la realidad, el 95% de las viviendas de este país que son un desastre por no decir una mierda.
En el segundo semestre del 2008 ¡Qué Dios nos coja confesados! Y los Panteones Bancarios con las cuentas saneadas.

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# 42 , Willy

16 de Noviembre de 2007, a las 13:26.

Alquilado el caso de japón creo que debe de venir ya como algo curioso en los libros de economía.
Resulta que su PIB se dispara y….. crece la tasa de paro y la estabilidad de los salarios no permiten prever que la tendencia alcista del consumo vaya a mantenerse en Japón.

Por otra parte, entre julio y septiembre la inversión inmobiliaria se contrajo un 7,8 por ciento, lo que supone la mayor caída sufrida por este indicador en diez años.

Como ves sube mucho el PIB, pero este parece que no se reparte entre la población.

Y eso que mira como están por allí los tipos, por lo que creo que los currantes de Japón ganan REALMENTE mucho menos que nosotros

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# 43 , czp

16 de Noviembre de 2007, a las 13:27.

Para #32 Resignao

Efectivamente, mi familiar comprí el piso por 25 millones de pesetas. Por supuesto que vendiéndolo por 45 millones aún ganaba. Pero cuando vendes un piso para cambiarte a otro, esas ganancias son relativas. Por supuesto, el piso de 90 millones que pensaba comprar, que era seminuevo de 5 años, también le costó mucho menos al dueño.
En cuanto a la hipoteca que le quedaba, era mucho más que esos 38 millones que comentas. El piso nuevo, con impuestos, notario, gastos de hipoteca ascendía a 98 millones (a mucha gente se le olvida que cuando compramos un piso tenemos que amoquinar casi 10% más) De los 6,5 mque había dado de entrada 4,5 m. procedían de un préstamo familiar que tenía que devolver, y que pensaba añadirlo a la hipoteca (ya sé que se les fue un poco la pinza).

En definitva, que les sálía una hipoteca (en el caso de venderlo por los 45 que tampoco nadie te lo asegura) de 51 kilos, no de 38

Era sólo una aclaración

Carlos

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# 44 , Sebas

16 de Noviembre de 2007, a las 13:30.

Gracias a todos por contestarme.

El tema del mus nunca ha sido mi fuerte, mas bien todo lo contrario, he pecado y peco de pardillo en muchos aspectos.

De todas formas les presionare un poco a ver lo que pasa, aunque bajar de 0.5 a 0.45 me parece que variaria poco en la cuota de todas formas.

Saludos!!

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# 45 , Enculator

16 de Noviembre de 2007, a las 13:40.

Vaya este fin de semana nos vamos con una muy muy ligera bajada del Euribor… esta semana no hay mariscada a costa de nuestro querido euribor, pero bueno para unas tapitas si nos da… jajajaja

Venga Animo que dentro de 3 meses los pisos bajaran 1000 € más me han dicho !!! jajajaja

Saludos.

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# 46 , deshojando la margarita

16 de Noviembre de 2007, a las 13:44.

Hace tiempo, comenté por aquí que los precios no van a bajar. Y de momento poco más o menos tengo razón. Los precios no bajan. También es una realidad que vender tampoco se vende, y se está supeditado a la voluntad de los banco/cajas, etc. Mi opinión es que esta situación se va a alargar más aún, y los inmuebles seguirán sin vender y tendrán que buscar otras alternativas, por ejemplo alquiler. Es decir las promotoras tendrán que diversificar negocia y plantearse el terminar la obra para alquilar y no vender.

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# 47 , Willy

16 de Noviembre de 2007, a las 13:55.

Resignao respecto al post 20.
creo que trichet va a ver si es verdad esto que se ha dicho hoy, Paulson, secretario del Tesoro americano, todavía no se ha visto lo peor de la crisis del subprime

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# 48 , dumper

16 de Noviembre de 2007, a las 14:18.

Uau, hoy parece que todos los contertulios tenemos la vena burbujista en la frente. Lo de idealista es un escándalo, yo antes leía a diario el foro de idealista, pero hay mucho troll suelto y siempre acaban hablando de putas rumanas, y de lo poco cariñosas que son la mujeres españolas etc…. Además los gurus se largaron, cada vez quedaba menos gente civilizada. Ahora entro solamente para mirar el numero de viviendas a la venta, pues solo decir que hace un año, los mas burbujistas se escandalizaban de que había ya 90.000 pisos a la venta, a día de hoy, solo un año mas tarde hay 201.000. Ya lo comenté una vez, quizás tienen un buen posicionamiento en google, quizás es porque recibe muchas visitas, pero no creo que estos factores expliquen la espectacular subida de anuncios en ella. Si el sr. Encinar pactó un variable al director comercial oa los captadores de nuevas anunciantes en función del incremento de pisos disponibles, se estará tirando de los pelos.

En cuanto a la demanda de los inmigrantes, no se hasta que punto son validos para tener en cuenta en cuanto a compra por:

1.- Normalmente vienen a trabajar, ganar dinerillo y volver, los que se quedan a vivir aquí, acostumbran a vivir muchos en un piso, con hermanos primos etc.

2.- Si no hay crisis y no bajan los pisos, no creo que puedan llegar a contar como demanda.

3.- Si hay crisis y bajan los pisos, significará parón económico cierres y deslocalizaciones etc… con lo que se irán las empresas que usan mano de obra no cualificada (que no digo que no sean cualificados, se por experiencia que hay muchos bien preparados pero que aquí no se les permite ejercer su profesión) que se tendrán que volver a su país por no haber trabajo aquí tampoco para ellos.

Esta mañana en el programa matutino, como cada viernes invitan a una bruja de esas del tarot. Echa las cartas mientas se ríen un poco de ella (RAC105 Catalunya). Ha llamado una señora para que le echaran las cartas y preguntaba si conseguiría vender su piso. La bruja ha dicho que recibiría una oferta en junio (o sea que ya sabéis en junio subirán los pisos vertiginosamente por que lo ha dicho la bruja matutina). La señora le ha dicho que necesitaba que fuese antes de marzo (me huele a hipoteca puente). El locutor se ha enrollado y le ha pedido las características del piso para darle un poco de publicidad, 120m² en una ciudad mediana a 65km de Barcelona hacia el interior ( no tiene playa cerca), 4 habitaciones, pedía 75M.

Haciendo unas cuentas rápidas y sabiendo que el grifo crediticio esta cerrado, para comprar este piso financiando el 80% máximo (suponiendo que lo tasen a 75M) necesitas el 10% para el papeleo e impuestos 7.5M + el 20% para pedir solo el 80% que son 15M mas, por lo tanto un cash de 22.5M ( aprox 135.200€). Pidiendo 60M a hipoteca a un 5% (360.000€) sale una cuota mensual aproximada de 1900€ mensuales. Teniendo en cuenta que para ser solvente esto debe ser un 35% de tu neto mensual contando las 14 pagas (si es que las tienes), necesitamos unos ingresos NETOS MENSUALES con 14 pagas de 4650€ aproximadamente, o una pareja que cobre aproximadamente 2320€ cada miembro de la pareja.

Conocéis a esa pareja? 135€ ahorrados, sueldos por encima de los 45.000€ cada uno y con ganas de comprar un piso en un sito así? I en la zona del carrefour como ella mismo ha dicho.

Dios no pille confesados…. y hacienda

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# 49 , Solvente

16 de Noviembre de 2007, a las 14:19.

pssssss pssssss voy a hablar bajito para que,ahora que están comiendo todos los especuladores que nos quieren hacer creer que los pisos no van a bajar,deciros que si,que si van a bajar,que no hay que saber mucho de economía para darse una vuelta por las inmobiliarias que aún quedan abiertas y verás que están todos los comerciales sentaditos en sus mesas esperando que entre alguien…

pssss pssssss que quede entre nosotros….

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# 50 , Vinuesa

16 de Noviembre de 2007, a las 14:32.

aunque bajar de 0.5 a 0.45 me parece que variaria poco en la cuota de todas formas.

Eso te iba a decir que ese 0.05 me parece una minucia, ¿negociar eso con un banco?, je, je

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